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Here's a direct link to his only post in the thread:QuoteI believe it was here:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3870107;search_string=jfx;#3870107
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3869879;page=2;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;#3875734
So, no it wasn't him (or anyone in that thread).
The canopies fly totally differently despite their physical similarities.
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"Holy s*** that was f***in' cold!"
"Holy s*** that was f***in' cold!"
Mel,
You misunderstand my post.
1) I'm addressing your totally inaccurate statement about the Crossfire and Katana being the same canopies except trim. They're in the same CLASS, but they're not the same canopy. Yes, I'm sure they have similarities - which is what I was trying to point out in my response to you. Regardless, this new canopy (I would expect) to be a step up from those two anyway.
2)"just adding" a slink or tinkering with line trims is risky business - and it's not just as simple as you make it out to be without introducing other side effects. Try to remember that people read these forums and will go out and try this stuff so try to be cautious when making those kinds of statements.
3) If you want to keep this side discussion going, feel free to PM me. There's no need to clutter this thread with this stuff. It detracts from the original intent to provide good, solid information on this new canopy.
Blues,
Ian
You misunderstand my post.
1) I'm addressing your totally inaccurate statement about the Crossfire and Katana being the same canopies except trim. They're in the same CLASS, but they're not the same canopy. Yes, I'm sure they have similarities - which is what I was trying to point out in my response to you. Regardless, this new canopy (I would expect) to be a step up from those two anyway.
2)"just adding" a slink or tinkering with line trims is risky business - and it's not just as simple as you make it out to be without introducing other side effects. Try to remember that people read these forums and will go out and try this stuff so try to be cautious when making those kinds of statements.
3) If you want to keep this side discussion going, feel free to PM me. There's no need to clutter this thread with this stuff. It detracts from the original intent to provide good, solid information on this new canopy.
Blues,
Ian
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anybody have any vid of openings (other than the 10K foot snivel opening http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qi4BZCxKE )?
I'm just guessing here, but I would expect the JFX to compare to the JVX the same way a VX compares to an FX or a XAOS-21 compares to the XAOS-27.
I would expect it to have a little less total performance than the JVX, but I would also expect it to open easier and be less picky about technique. One way or another I'm sure it is a fine canopy.
"Holy s*** that was f***in' cold!"
I would expect it to have a little less total performance than the JVX, but I would also expect it to open easier and be less picky about technique. One way or another I'm sure it is a fine canopy.
"Holy s*** that was f***in' cold!"
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So, no it wasn't him (or anyone in that thread).
My link was for Ian speaking of hearing about the JFX earlier in the year.
It did have anything to do with anything else.
The link that I posted was off by two posts. I believe that if you look at my earlier post on that thread you will see what I meant to show.
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The canopies fly totally differently despite their physical similarities.
I think we are already covered that point.
MEL
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1) I'm addressing your totally inaccurate statement about the Crossfire and Katana being the same canopies except trim.
I never said they were the exact same canopy. I have and did say they are BASICALLY the same canopy.
.....the quote was in generally speaking terms.
Like I have already told you, when you take the same basic canopy, add the same basic trim, you get the same basic performance.
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2)"just adding" a slink or tinkering with line trims is risky business - and it's not just as simple as you make it out to be without introducing other side effects. Try to remember that people read these forums and will go out and try this stuff so try to be cautious when making those kinds of statements.
Adding a link is a standard practice with regards to trying new line sets, trims and the like.
You correct that there are side effects, but on a canopy with a shallow trim like the Crossfire, the effects are minimal.
Please note that I only said you could do it with a Crossfire also. No other canopies were recommended.
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) If you want to keep this side discussion going, feel free to PM me. There's no need to clutter this thread with this stuff. It detracts from the original intent to provide good, solid information on this new canopy
You mean the side discussion that you pulled me into???
Anyway I am through with it also.
BS,
MEL
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Quotesay they are BASICALLY the same canopy.
.....the quote was in generally speaking terms.
That helps clarify things.
For some of us, if you say, "basically the same canopy" means that it IS the same canopy design, maybe with a different trim, different sewing pattern, a tweak here or there, a different label on the end cell, but 90% the exact same fabric shapes down to the last millimeter of laser cut precision.
So I think some of us took it as you saying that you had proof that PD had directly copied the other canopy. (And not just studied or taken inspiration from the other canopy.) That would be big news.
That's why your statement was getting such close attention.
Basically.
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Hi Mel,
I jump a Xfire2 129 now-- It seems the largest JFX they make is a 119.
Would you consider the step from a 129 xfire to a 119 JFX as a good progression or would you consider getting some xbrace experience on a 129 xbrace first as the smarter way to go?
Cheers,
Mike
I jump a Xfire2 129 now-- It seems the largest JFX they make is a 119.
Would you consider the step from a 129 xfire to a 119 JFX as a good progression or would you consider getting some xbrace experience on a 129 xbrace first as the smarter way to go?
Cheers,
Mike
You said that, I did not.
I will not turn this into a debate about the Katana vs Crossfire....
Sure, They are different designs, but how different is the answer.
I have taken both apart, cut new pieces/parts, and put them both back together.
...and I build line sets for both canopies.
So I would say I have a better reference than most, including you.
They are closer than you think and I also was speaking in general terms when I made that statement.
I believe it was here:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3870107;search_string=jfx;#3870107
BS,
MEL
www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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