frost 1 #1 July 19, 2010 A new crossbraced main canopy has been introduced to the general public at the latest Russian Canopy Piloting Nationals. Scirocco, piloted by Vsevolod Bedrin, showed some impressive results, earning him a 3rd place in Distance, 4th in Speed (sub-3 sec times) and 2nd place Overall. (Detailed results can be found here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3908284;#3908284) Canopy is made by a Ukrainian parachute equipment company Skylark http://www.skylark.com.ua/en/, whose canopies have already earned an excellent reputation. Pics attached. We will have an opportunity to jump this new wing later this season at the Ranch, cant wait to see how it compares to the Velo and JVX and how it flies at very high wingloadings (~3:1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #2 July 19, 2010 Tell me more. 21 cell, 27 cell?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blink 0 #3 July 19, 2010 QuoteTell me more. 21 cell, 27 cell? Using a sophisticated counting method it appears to be 27 cell... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dima39 1 #4 July 19, 2010 Quote Tell me more. 21 cell, 27 cell? 30 cells ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Decodiver 0 #5 July 20, 2010 The guy in the first photo appears to have his chest strap completely undone, is that such a good idea? Cheers, Coops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #6 July 20, 2010 Are you blind? It's a 9 cell."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 July 20, 2010 QuoteThe guy in the first photo appears to have his chest strap completely undone, is that such a good idea? Cheers, Coops. No, except he has a belly band on.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #8 July 20, 2010 Quote Are you blind? It's a 9 cell. Are you starting a counting war? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Decodiver 0 #9 July 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe guy in the first photo appears to have his chest strap completely undone, is that such a good idea? Cheers, Coops. No, except he has a belly band on. I hadn't seen that Dave thanks for pointing it out. Would that belly band hold him in the harness if he had to cut away and then deploy his reserve? Why not just have a longer chest strap? Cheers, Coops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #10 July 20, 2010 There have been plenty of discussions on belly bands and longer chest straps, please use the search button. This topic was not made to discuss benefits and dangers of these devices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #11 July 26, 2010 how much??? if it is only couple hundred dollar difference why not fly PD or Icarus???Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
breadhead 0 #12 July 26, 2010 Quote Quote Tell me more. 21 cell, 27 cell? 30 cells ! Interesting: 6 times tri-cell + 3 times quad-cell in the center = 30 ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #13 July 26, 2010 Quotehow much??? if it is only couple hundred dollar difference why not fly PD or Icarus??? I dont know what the pricing will be. The canopy is still in the final stages of pre-production, with several sizes being finalized and jumped. The developer/manufacturer is trying several new things with this wing, some have not been done before in commercial x-baced parachutes. Why not PD or Icarus? I dont know. There are plenty of experienced people that have no clue that there are great wings and wing makers out there other than PD or Icarus. They are happy with the great products these two companies make and have no desire to open up their horizons when it comes to trying other parachutes, even if they are just as good (or better) and less expensive. That's perfectly fine, most people are like that. Then there are folks who like to see innovation and new wing designs driven by a competitive market. These people want to fly good wings, not just what's "in fashion" that year. They are a small minority. Entering an established cross-braced canopy market dominated my giants and getting to these pilots is not an easy task... We've seen some companies try with not much success. I am hoping Scirocco has a strong showing at the World meet next month, it's time for a new wing to make it in the market of 11 year old designs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #14 July 26, 2010 found one on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niRin-o3PFs&feature=relatedBernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mircan 0 #15 July 26, 2010 Quotehow much??? if it is only couple hundred dollar difference why not fly PD or Icarus??? If we`re looking at the $ only, then we could consider, shipping, taxes and customs and that could pile up to 1000$+... And if that canopy is equal in performance with Icarus or PD there is no reason for someone from eastern world countries not to buy it (except for "it`s in style" reason). For example, there is xf-15 canopy from jojo-wings, i bet most of you seen it fly... At least 30% cheaper...dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zver 0 #16 August 13, 2010 I`ve been so high I`ve been so down Up to the skies Down to the ground Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Master_Yoda 0 #17 August 15, 2010 Wow. 30 cells. Gotta wonder if PD will come out with one of their own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #18 August 15, 2010 I wonder if the name will have to change... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_SciroccoStupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #19 August 15, 2010 Who's to say PD hasn't experimented with a number of different combinations? I remember a while back, Icarus had a 11 cell prototype they never ended up taking to market. More cells != more performance. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivefj 0 #20 August 15, 2010 Quote Who's to say PD hasn't experimented with a number of different combinations? I remember a while back, Icarus had a 11 cell prototype they never ended up taking to market. dfrom what I am told, PD got a glimps of NZaerosports' NZbrace system and tried to copy it but couldn't get it right, they called it the z brace before aerosports had a name for it. I believe Icarus spain has been working on an 11 cell with inflatable stabalisers for some time, I believe the inflatable stabalisers 'are' the 10th and 11th cells. but that was from a sponsored athlete bragging not the company. NZaerosports has still got thier next canopy up thier sleeves I beleive also. Those that were around will remember the VX was announced, with printed brouchures the very moment the velocity was announced at the 99 pia symp.. PD being the big player needs to make a move before we get to see the next toys.... Either that or one of these more obscure companies getting podium results... But it apears that JVX and velo are kneck and kneck in performance right now, if this new canopy can do something to disrupt the top swoopers.... I sure hope so. Quote More cells != more performance. Not necessarily, more cells equals more lines which equals more drag... More lift equlas a shorter recovery arc so less speed generated... The JVX has a much thinner profile and more cells than a velo, but they seem compoarable in performance even with a shorter recovery arc. This I beleive is why the JFX was developed, to test that theory in the feild. I know at least one company has experimented with quad cascade lines to try to reduce parasite drag... It seem though the orange dental floss that you PDFT guys are using is the way forward. so much to learn. But as I say, this is all my opinion, not necessarily the companies'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #21 August 15, 2010 QuoteMore cells != more performance. Historically 11-cell canopies have opened very poorly, so they've got that going for them, which is nice. Isn't that what Clint said about the 11-cell (33 cell?) VX that was semi-publicly prototyped a few years ago? There was another open canopy 20 years ago call the Stealth or something like that, that had the same problems with openings.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #22 August 16, 2010 FYI != means NOT equals. Blues. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr_prick 0 #23 August 16, 2010 has anyone succesfully made contact with the company? i emailed twice now and got nothing back... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivefj 0 #24 August 16, 2010 QuoteFYI != means NOT equals. Blues. Ian Oh I did not see the exclamation mark, is that some sort of txt shorthand? If it means; doesn't necesarily equal,.. then I agree. If it means does not equal... then my answer reamians the same. It is an unknown quantity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 136 #25 August 16, 2010 QuoteI wonder if the name will have to change... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_SciroccoScirocco being the name of a wind, I doubt they would have to change it.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siroccoscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
