frost 1 #1 December 11, 2007 Just your canopy choices, sizes and wing loading mapped to your jumps. I'll start Student gear 280-220, ~20 jumps. My first canopy - PD210, ~20-150 Safire1-189 151-300 Jedei170, 301-500 Jedei150(SW/ET), 500-660 Samurai136, 661-800 Xaos21-120 @1.8:1, 801-938 VX114 @ 2:1, 938-960 VX111 @2.1:1, 2.2(winter weight) 961-1350 VX96 @2.5+, 1351-1935 JVX87 @2.8, 1936-2100 VX97 @2.4, 2100-2560 JVX92 till now @2.5 the jump numbers, although logged are probably approximate, since I did not count a bunch of jumps on demo wings. Also, I have had two rigs for work and fun for a few years too, and the second rig always had a comparable main canopy, i.e. main VX97 - back up vx104, Currently my main is JVX92 with back up JVX96. -------------------------- In your post, you can comment if you want - looking back now, do you feel you were too aggressive? Slow? Anything you would do differently? Suggestions to new pilots. But please let keep it on topic? Both posters and moderators :) Thank you! And all you Pro pilots and CPC future pros... come on spill it :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #2 December 11, 2007 I have a really long list... PD170, AFF1 PD230, 2-~40 first canopy - PD150, ~40-150 sabre2 135, 150-1200+. And various borrowed/demo canopies along the way here and there. I'm NOT a swooper. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packing_jarrett 0 #3 December 11, 2007 Jump 1-25: Skymaster 230 Jump 26-50: Diablo 135 @1.1 Jump 50-100: Sabre 135 @1.1 Jump 101-150: Batwing 116 @1.3 Jump 151-200: Stiletto 120 @1.3 Jump 201-500: Crossfire 99 @1.6-1.7 Jump 500-presesent (1000): Xaos 27 90 @1.9 This is over the course of 2 years.Na' Cho' Cheese Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #4 December 11, 2007 Navigator 280, 240 couple of first jumps Navigator 220 ~5-20 jumps Sabre 170 ~20-25 jumps Sabre 150 ~25-50 jumps Hornet 120 ~50-360jumps Vengeance 120 ~360-400jumps Crossfire2 109 ~400-> WL now @ 1.7+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 December 11, 2007 Canopies that were jumped for any amount of time there's some holes due to a lot of demoing and I'm estimating the sport jumps on the canopies since half my jump numbers are tandems: Laser 9 288 Jumps 1-20 Sabre(1) 233 Jumps 21-40 Hornet 190 (1.3:1) (jumps 40-80) PD 9-cell 210 (1.2:1) (jumps 80-110) Stiletto 170 (1.7:1) (jumps 170-200) Heatwave 170 (1.7:1) (jumps 200-400) XF2 149 (1.9:1) (jumps 400-800) VX 114 (2.5-ish:1) (jumps 800-850) Velo 120 (2.35:1)(jumps 850-1100) Velo 111 (2.5:1) (about 100 jumps now) What does it all mean? I downsized WAY too fast. Way too fast. If I would have taken a more conservative approach to canopy flight and worked harder with a more appropiate canopy then I would have been a much better canopy pilot sooner. Instead I was behind the curve and on more then one occasion escaped serious injury or death on nothing but pure dumb luck. That's why, if you've known me for more then a few years, you've seen a change in attitude from wanting to push too far too fast to one of conservative canopy flight for learning and gradual progression. Unfortunately there's a lot of people out there under 500 jumps that are just like I was at that level. They won't listen, but they want to try really hard. They haven't seen the thousands of jumps that it takes to become a safe and proficient swooper. This is a more complete list of stuff jumped, although there are some canopies are missing. Its so much fun to demo other and different canopies, it give you a feel for whats available and what you've bought. Its really sold me on some canopy designs and left me with a dislike of others. I highly recommend that everyone demos just about everything that is appropriate for their experience and skill level. Laser 9 288 Sabre(1) 233 Hornet 190 Spectre 170 Sabre2 210 Sabre2 190 Sabre2 170 Cobalt 170 Stiletto 170 Pilot 190 Pilot 170 Heatwave 170 Vengence 150 PDr-176 Triathalon 170 Safire2 169 Omega 150 Stiletto 150 Spectre 150 Sabre2 150 XF2 149 Mamba 150 Mamba 135 XF2 139 Katana 170 Katana 150 Katana 135 Nitro 150 Nitro 135 Velo 120 Velo 111 VX 114 Navigator 300 Navigator 280 Navigator 240 Navigator 200 Silhotte 210 Silhotte 190 Raider 220 Sigma 370 Sigma 395 EZ 384 A2 370 Icarus 400 Icarus 365 A2 350 RWS tandem reserve (a few times)--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #6 December 11, 2007 0-20 whatever my instructors gave me ending in a 200 sq ft something or other 21-39 rentals in 190 range 39-230 Safire 1 179 (measured smaller I found out later) 230-260 pilot 150 broke leg on this canopy was too aggressive 261-461 Sabre2 170 Learned a lot on this canopy and got a mentor and lots of pointers 461-500 Sabre2 150 500-750 Crossfire 2 129 750-850 Crossfire2 119 850-900 Crossfire2 109 and FX 99 900-current Velocity 103 so the pilot 150 was definitely a rush job. I think I could have stayed on the 109 Crossfire2 a bit longer Cheers Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #7 December 11, 2007 0-20: PISA Skymaster 230/270s 20-25: Sabre2 170 26-~300: Spectre 170 300-500: Triathlon 160 (with a lot of demoing/borrowing in the last 75 jumps or so) 500-1200: Vengeance 135 (with a bunch of borrowing, CRW, and a couple hundred tandems mixed in) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AUSkyguy 0 #8 December 11, 2007 0-20- F-111 260 something or another 20-50 F-111 PD 190 50-150 Sabre 150 150-250 Sabre 135 250- 450 Crossfire 119 450- 650 Crossfire 99 @ 1.65-1.7 Currently on a Crossfire 99-Chris Martin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheCaptain 2 #9 December 11, 2007 Falcon 195 (1.1 to 1) 10-100 jump # Safire 1 169 ( 1.46 to 1)100- 250 jump # Crossfire 2 130 (1.85 to 1) 250-600 jump # VX 109 (2.1 to 1) current canopy had for awhile Xaos 27 cell 98 (2.3 to 1) 800 jump # Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #10 December 11, 2007 All jump number are approximated so it won't add up to my current total jumps. Student gear 210 - 220 (20 jumps) PD 9 cell 150 (75 jumps) from around jump 20 to 90 Sabre 150 (5 jumps) Sabre 2 150 (800 jumps)from around jump 90 to 850 Lightning 143 (5 jumps) Lightning 160 (5 jumps) Lightning 126 (2 jumps) PD Reserve 143 (1 jump) Sabre 2 135 (200 jumps) 850 to 1194 the others were mixed in with the Sabre 2 150 jumps I currently jump the Sabre 2 135 and will probably have that for the next 2 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sabre1Lucke 0 #11 December 11, 2007 1. Skymaster 230 2. Falcon 195 (1.01) --> 198 jumps 3. PD Sabre 150 (1.32) --> +/-150 jumps 4. PD Sabre 135 (1.47) --> +/-120 jumps ....(In the meanwhile tried several canopies like stiletto 135, Vengeance 120, Sabre II 135...) 5. PV Demon 100 competition (2.1) --> 250 jumps ... and a few jumps on a katana 107 (1.85) 6. PV Demon 90 competition (2.33) --> still counting ... and a few jumps on a Velocity 90 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drudchen 0 #12 December 11, 2007 Manta 288 - (1-12) WL 0.45 Avatar 210 - (13 - 31) WL 0.65 Sabre 170 - (32 - 43) WL 0.75 Sabre 135 - (44 - 70) WL 0.93 Sabre 120 - (71 - 159) WL 1.05 Sabre 107 - (160 - 208) WL 1.15 Stiletto 107 - (209 - 230) WL 1.15 Stiletto 97 - (231-now) WL 1.3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #13 December 11, 2007 As a Student: PD Navigator 260, 240 Safire 229 PD 230 Sabre 210 Sabre2 210 Spectre 230 1st Canopy I owned (40-50 jumps): Sabre 210 loaded at 1.0 or less Around 300 jumps I put some jumps on a Z-Po 190 and Sabre 170, and a Lotus 183. Did some CRW on a Lightning 176. Around Jump 450 I bought a Lotus 183 which turned out to be a 170 and also gained 10 lbs loading about 1.3. Around 750 jumps I put some jumps on a Triathalon 150, Sabre2 150, PD 143, and later a Stiletto 150. Bought a Stiletto 150 and gained another 10 lbs so loading about 1.5 now. Scared to downsize anymore cuz I don't want to get fatter. PD 143 (1 jump hooked as my main and 1 reserve ride) and Optimum 143 (3-4 jumps a main) are the smallest I've gone. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giedrius 0 #14 December 12, 2007 Hey Mike! Privet! It looks like you have nothing to do today... and so do I My progression wasn't any different from lots of anxious fellas and I've learned my lesson hard way... Static line (round canopy) #1-17 Random square canopies (lots of different names) in 220-135sq/f range from jump #18-100, w/l .75-1.4 Almost a year break after jump #101 on Navigator 230! Yeap, big as. canopy that I thought I'm gonna squeeze and it did me! Sabre1 135 w/l 1.1:1 #102-112 Cobalt 135 w/l 1.4:1 #113-287 Xfire2 109 w/l 1.75:1 #288-514 Katana 97 w/l 2.1:1 #515-779 Velocity 90 w/l w/no weights 2.2:1 #780 and counting... It is one of many bad examples but one thing I would do differently for sure if I'd start everything all over again - I would not waste my time exploring the flight under canopy just by my self and following random advises, I would get the professional coaching way much earlier. I went to my first CC camp with Scott Miller when I had ~570 jumps on my belt. I wish I would do that when I had those 100 jums... Maybe I would fly speed course cleaner on the CPC finals practice day - with both toggles in my hands . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyn 0 #15 December 12, 2007 Student Canopy 1-9 PD190 10-100 Stiletto 150 (WL=1.1) 101-200 Stiletto 135 (WL=1.3) 201-500 Crossfire (1) 105 (actually~98) (WL~1.8) 501-1100 Velocity 84 (WL = 2.1-2.6) 1100-2000 JVX.2 83 (WL = 2.2 -2.6) 2000-2200 JVX.2 77 (WL = 2.6 - 3.0) 2200-2400+ These are just rough numbers. I too down-sized 2fast! Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWPoul 1 #16 December 12, 2007 1-50 Navigator 220 @ 1.1 50-300 Spectre 170 @ 1.35 300-500 Magellan 140 @ 1.6 500-> Odyssey 130 @ 1.8 P.S. Mike, do you want to compare % of uebans in skydiver's population at Skycentre and Dz.com? Why drink and drive, if you can smoke and fly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peej 0 #17 December 12, 2007 I'd have to check my logbook as these are approximations but the numbers are almost right. I could have spent waaaaaaaaaay more time in the 150/135 range. 1 - 20 (Skymasters in the 285 and 235 range) 21 - 50 (Skymaster 200) 51 - 300 (Hornet 170) 301 - 350 (Sabre 150) 350 - 650 (Safire 135 - which was measured smaller) 651 - 850 (Hurricane 120) 851 - present (Velocity 103) Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WatchYourStep 0 #18 December 12, 2007 I've been a slow goer to downsize compared to the norm I think... 0-25: Nav260 and Sabre2 230...I think 25-50: Sabre2 190 [email protected] 50-450: Sabre2 170 & Nitron170 [email protected] 450-525: Katanna150/Sabre2 150 [email protected] 550-600: Sabre2 135 @1.33 Jumps 450-600 were all on demo gear. I'm going to order a Sabre2 135 but until then I'm back on my 170. I'll get a demo 150 to jump for a few weeks before I make the plunge back down to the 135. This is in the course of 2 years. I'm in no hurry. "You start off your skydiving career with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience up before your bag of luck runs out." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #19 December 12, 2007 Student gear 280-220 60 jumps My own gear: Triathlon 190 (1.1) 60-450 Sabre2 150 (1.3/ 1.5) 450-1000 Sabre2 135 (1.6-1.8) 1000-1600 Velo 103 1600 - now (2550) With the necessary demos in between.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #20 December 12, 2007 Here's my list, I approximated jump numbers. Nav 240, 220 - Jumps 1-25 (0.75 WL) Sabre1 170 - Jumps 26-175 (.97 WL) Spectre 150 - Jumps 176-600 (1.1 WL) Sabre2 135 - Jumps 600-present (about 640) (1.25 WL) I did a handful of demos on Sabre2 150, Pilot 132, and Jedei 170... maybe 10 jumps total for all 3. I'm still learning my Sabre2, since I don't have many jumps on her yet, no plans to change or downsize at any point. I don't think I'll ever go smaller than the 135, it's a good size for me and I have no interest in swooping. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bschuyler 0 #21 December 12, 2007 I have had a slower progression than a lot of people. 1-22 - Student Canopies 23-49 - Sabre 170 (Rental) - WL 1.08 50-221 - Sabre 150 - WL 1.23 222-651 - Stilleto 150 - WL 1.23 652-1196 - Stilleto 120 - WL 1.54 1197-1542 - Stilleto 107 - WL 1.73 1543-2117 - Velocity 90 - WL 2.05 2118-3212 - Velocity 84 - WL 2.2 3213-3819 - Velocity 79 - WL 2.34 3820-4006 - Velocity 84 - WL 2.3 I have done around 200 jumps total on demo canopies over the years. The worst injury I have had was a slightly sprained ankle on jump 38 from a low turn to face into the wind (I was jumping again after 3 days). Of course, I have had my share of close calls and bruises while learning to swoop. Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #22 December 12, 2007 Jumps 1-30: Student canopies: 240-300sq ft. Jumps 30-45: Airforce 220 (think PD F-111) Jumps 45-450: Spectre 190 @ 1.05 Jumps 450-850: Samurai 170 @ 1.2 Jumps 850-1100: Samurai 135 @ 1.5 I had no interest in swooping until I had about 400 jumps. Up until then I wasn't willing to accept the additional risk. By the time I got to 400 jumps, I think I'd a fairly decent grasp of how to fly my Spectre, and I was looking for something new. Attending Brian Germain's canopy course explained the hows and whys of canopy flight to me and demystified the process of becoming a swooper. Upon reflection I figured I could learn to swoop without taking inordinate risks to do so. Right now I really enjoy swooping, though I'm far from good at it. Maybe in a few years, if I jump regularly enough, I'll actually get decent. But for now, I'm having fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #23 December 12, 2007 1-20 student rigs about 280sq foot 20-40 Sabre 210 WL 1 40-present Sabre2 170 WL 1.2 I'm starting to get comfortable with the 170 now but I suspect I'll be flying it for a long time so I can get every last bit of performance out of it. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MagicGuy 0 #24 December 13, 2007 Student gear (Nav 260s - Nav 200s): jump#1-20 PD190 jump# 21-25 Spectre 170 jump# 26-30 (low WL not quite sure .8 or so) Triathlon 160 jump# 31-95 (.9 WL) Sabre2 150 jump# 96-120 (1.0) Hornet 135 jump# 121-124 (1.1) Triathlon 160 (other canopies were borrowed, back to the boat) jump# 125-140ish) Pilot 150 jump# 141-400 Wearing my weights, about a 1.1 WL. I've also jumped a few canopies in-between. Sabre2 135 for about 20 jumps. Got awesome swoops on the 135. Sabre 120 for a handful of jumps. Really windy day, no swooping. Lightning 143 for a couple jumps. Next canopy that I'll be buying will probably be a Sabre2 120. Should keep me happy for a while until I go to a 107. Probably another 150-200 jumps away, we'll see how it goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conquest150 0 #25 December 14, 2007 i was fairly conservative student status was on a sabre 190 and pd 190 10-40 sabre 190 and sabre2 170 40-100 conquest 150 100-600 stiletto 135 600-present(1500) crossfire2 119 wl 1.7 i am now thinking about downsizing. ive demoed a bunch of canopies also. i also jump a stiletto 107 regularly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites