smkdvr628 0 #1 October 5, 2007 Just wondering what is a good canopy to learn how to swoop with. Is a sabre 2 loaded 2 1.4:1 a good place to start? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #2 October 5, 2007 Check out a previous thread started by Andy Copland and titled Canopy suggestions .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dploi 0 #3 October 5, 2007 QuoteJust wondering what is a good canopy to learn how to swoop with. Is a sabre 2 loaded 2 1.4:1 a good place to start?Sabre 2 is a great canopy for swooping. It's performance range is huge -- you can learn to swoop on it and eventually shred the hell out of it. 1.4 is a decent loading, but I recommend you double the jump numbers you have listed in your profile before moving up to that loading. And get all the advice and coaching you can get at your home DZ. Have fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #4 October 6, 2007 QuoteJust wondering what is a good canopy to learn how to swoop with. Is a sabre 2 loaded 2 1.4:1 a good place to start? The Sabre2 is an awesome canopy to start swooping with, it has a decent recovery arc and it can be flown VERY high performance, even at the wingloading you are looking at. I went close to coast to coast on our pond numerous times on both my Sabre2 150s as well as my Sabre2 135s (our pond is about 200ft when its full) Have fun and be safe! This was with my Sabre2 150 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=40343; and here's one on my Sabre2 135: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=58988; Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #5 October 6, 2007 I started swooping on a sabre 2 loaded at about 1.2 and learned everything I know about swooping on that Cheers Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #6 October 7, 2007 if your profile is correct, you can swoop with your current 170. I would start messin with it and then as you get better take it further and further. Then when it does not really scare you to bring it in hot, start doing hp downwinds until it does not really scare you anymore. If you can do that your skill will improve two folds and your step down to a 150 won't feel like to much of a step at all. Canopies are like motorcycles you can kill yourself on a 50cc mini trail or kill yourself on a 1000cc crotch rocket, chances are much less on the 50 though. If you cannot pretty well do all of the suggested on a 170, at your loading you are not helping yourself to downsize.don't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #7 October 8, 2007 QuoteJust wondering what is a good canopy to learn how to swoop with. Is a sabre 2 loaded 2 1.4:1 a good place to start? I started learning to swoop on a Saber2 170 @ 1.3. I didn't start learning to swoop till I had around 150 jumps on that canopy though.~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoudDan 0 #8 October 8, 2007 Sabre II is definately the way to go, however don't think for a second that you can't do yourself harm because it is a Sabre II. If your intention is to explore canopy flight/ high performance canopy flight please do yourself a favor and take whatever canopy you are currently flying and attend several canopy courses find Scott Miller, seek out the Fast Trax folks, contact Ian Drennan who is a moderator for this forum, take some basic or essentials courses from the PD guys. DO NOT try to figure it all out on your own, in the long run you will spend more money and you can seriousl injur/ kill yourself. I know there are some die hards that say you should never pay for coaching.....put that out of your head, you want to explore a discipline with very narrow margins that provides extremely high personall reward, do it right. Coming soon to a bowl of Wheaties near you!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jheadley 0 #9 October 8, 2007 I am learning how to swoop on a Sabre 2 at 1.4, and I love it. It seems like the perfect amount of dive and speed for someone learning to swoop. Last weekend I was able to take it through a 150 foot course with a 90. I've demoed a lot of canopies, Katana, Crossfire, Cobalt, Samurai, Stiletto, etc. and my next canopy will most likely be another Sabre 2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeiber 0 #10 October 9, 2007 QuoteSabre II is definately the way to go, however don't think for a second that you can't do yourself harm because it is a Sabre II. If your intention is to explore canopy flight/ high performance canopy flight please do yourself a favor and take whatever canopy you are currently flying and attend several canopy courses find Scott Miller, seek out the Fast Trax folks, contact Ian Drennan who is a moderator for this forum, take some basic or essentials courses from the PD guys. DO NOT try to figure it all out on your own, in the long run you will spend more money and you can seriousl injur/ kill yourself. I know there are some die hards that say you should never pay for coaching.....put that out of your head, you want to explore a discipline with very narrow margins that provides extremely high personall reward, do it right. Best advice I've seen in this thread. I second Dan's comments - all of them. JShhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UDSkyJunkie 0 #11 October 9, 2007 QuoteIs a sabre 2 loaded 2 1.4:1 a good place to start? I agree with several of the above posts... Sabre2 is a great canopy to learn to swoop with. I also agree that your current W/L of 1.2ish is high enough to start learning. I jump a Sabre2, and without weights I'm about 1.3:1. PLENTY of swoop; even at that relatively light loading I can hit 200' on a good day."Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kolla 0 #12 October 18, 2007 Dan, you make me proud! I think I might take your post, print it out and frame it. Well put :)Blue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #13 October 18, 2007 I learned to swoop on a Sabre2 (before moving down to a Crossfire2, a Velocity and now my JVX). It (the Sabre2) is an outstanding all around canopy. Not sure what else to say. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoudDan 0 #14 October 19, 2007 I try. I just want this person to do well, I've heard way too many people incorrectly state that because a canopy is lightly loaded or "big" it (the canopy) will save a pilot from injury. This is just not true, the pilot flying the canopy will save the pilot from injury. Something that a lot of people don't think about when downsizing canopies (even just one size) is not only does the canopy fly/ respond faster.......malfunctions happen faster, the ground comes at you faster, and if you have to land in someones postage stamp back yard due to an emergency bailout you run out of space faster. Coming soon to a bowl of Wheaties near you!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites