freeflyer2k 0 #1 September 26, 2007 Hi I have a Velo 103 and was looking for your opinions are the best systems/ manufacturers.. I'd like a full RDS system but for now a good removable slider is what im really concerend with. Piccies and prices if ya got em please "When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyn 0 #2 September 26, 2007 http://www.peaengineering.com/CAUTION%20and%20Instructions.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #3 September 26, 2007 I've put a number of jumps on various RDS systems out there over the last 2 years. Currently, I'm using the PEA Engineering RDS (see link above) and have found the service, and quality to be top notch. Check them out Blues, Ian Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raymod2 1 #4 September 27, 2007 Ian, is there a reason you like this design better than the one Mel/Joe makes? I see it has 8 attachment points rather than 4. Does it take longer to pack because of this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #5 September 27, 2007 Dan, I still think Mel/Joe's system is a good one. At the time I moved over, Mel and Joe were using cabling through the center of the RDS - this was great at first, but over time the memory of the cables caused quirky openings. That said, I believe they have gone back to line in the center of the RDS. I find the extra attachment points do increase packtime, but only marginally, on the PEA system. The rings on the new system are VERY nice and well machined better, imo, than any other ones I've seen out there. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #6 September 27, 2007 Check out Kirk at Paraconcepts system. I just got one for my Neos 104 and it is really nice. He has new fully machined rings and his slider geomotry is second to none. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #7 September 27, 2007 Ain't thos rings fuckin heavy?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyer2k 0 #8 September 27, 2007 The Paraconcepts and PEAEngineering models look almost the same... (mainly because of a lack of detailed photos to see the small differences) Any one got a link to Mel & Joes version ???"When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swooper81 0 #9 September 27, 2007 QuoteThe Paraconcepts and PEAEngineering models look almost the same... (mainly because of a lack of detailed photos to see the small differences) you know what i find interesting is that it takes a while to get a patent on anything and the PEA RDS has that, which kind of tells me that Scott or who ever put a lot of time into it. but wasn't it just last year that paraconcepts had those plastic RDS's? and now they have almost identical RDS's to PEA? i don't know maybe it's me, but that seems wierd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyer2k 0 #10 September 27, 2007 Whhooosshh!!!!! did you see that???? Wow!!! that just went way over my head! dont know what he was flying was but i bet it was using a removable slider of someones design "When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guinness_fr 0 #11 September 27, 2007 On this french website, you can see some pictures of my RDS which I got from Mel in March 2007: http://wuza.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16975 I'm very happy with it, I like the lines in the middle because I only need one hand to grab the slider (the other hand is used to unzip my jumpsuit) and they facilitate the quartering of the slider. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyer2k 0 #12 September 27, 2007 Cool Thanks those are usefull pics OK Change of subject anybody had their removable slider malfunction in anyway ?? i know the bag etc would be the most common cause of mals with RDS's but im interested in how those slider designs may fail"When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #13 September 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe Paraconcepts and PEAEngineering models look almost the same... (mainly because of a lack of detailed photos to see the small differences) you know what i find interesting is that it takes a while to get a patent on anything and the PEA RDS has that, which kind of tells me that Scott or who ever put a lot of time into it. but wasn't it just last year that paraconcepts had those plastic RDS's? and now they have almost identical RDS's to PEA? i don't know maybe it's me, but that seems wierd. the interesting thing about design patents (which would be what he is most likely applying for having worked in the business...) is that all they have to do is change something in a small way proving that their design improves on the other design and hisa patent will mean squat. Unless he goes and patents the idea of RDS's it wont help him at all Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kamalasound 0 #14 September 27, 2007 QuoteCool Thanks those are usefull pics OK Change of subject anybody had their removable slider malfunction in anyway ?? i know the bag etc would be the most common cause of mals with RDS's but im interested in how those slider designs may fail Hi performance canopies, high performance openings!!! I had 2 mal's last week with 2 different full RDS on. I found out that my packer was doing a mess with the connection cable. BTW I love Joe & MEL's removable Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
everymansaved 0 #15 September 28, 2007 QuoteOn this french website, you can see some pictures of my RDS which I got from Mel in March 2007: http://wuza.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16975 I'm very happy with it, I like the lines in the middle because I only need one hand to grab the slider (the other hand is used to unzip my jumpsuit) and they facilitate the quartering of the slider. Does anyone know where you can buy those rings?God made firefighters so paramedics would have heroes...and someone can put out the trailer fires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guinness_fr 0 #16 September 28, 2007 Well, you'd have to ask Mel (check profile), here is its loft's website Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #17 September 28, 2007 that one looks like Joe's slider... To OP: there are a lot of RDS threads here. use the Search function to find them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #18 September 28, 2007 Quote that one looks like Joe's slider... I built it.......but Joe and I build the exact same slider and use the same rings. Cheers, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
berchtoldaj 0 #19 September 29, 2007 I currently use the slider from PEA Engineering and am very happy with it. It works great, I've had 2 somewhat unperfect openings over the last 2 years(500+ jumps) with it due to packing error on my part(complacent and misrouted the lanyard, stupid me). Suprisingly still managed to run the course during competition. Scott has been available and handled any customer issues I've had(and boy do I have issues;-). Timely responses to emails, available to customers, and competitive price. I'd buy a third, but what the heck would I need a third slider for?!?!? Al************ Watch out for planters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 136 #20 September 30, 2007 QuoteCheck out Kirk at Paraconcepts system. I just got one for my Neos 104 and it is really nice. He has new fully machined rings and his slider geomotry is second to none.any contacts for him ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #21 October 1, 2007 http://www.para-concepts.com/ there ya go Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstu 0 #22 October 1, 2007 PEA engineering is my preferred RDS as wellSlip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murps2000 86 #23 October 4, 2007 Does anyone know where you can buy those rings?*** A friend of mine gave me one from his removeable slider, and wanted me to duplicate it for him. The one he gave me was aluminum and had clearly seen the effects of it's high speed trips down the lineset. His main complaint was the aluminum dust on his lines. Although weight is often a consideration in any component intended for use in aviation, I think aluminum is a poor choice for this application. I can make them out of stainless steel, and intend to for my friend, but I am interested in seeing any patents before producing any on a large scale. Additionally, I have only seen this one example, so someone may already be making them from stainless. Sorry if this isn't much immediate help, but if no one is making them out of stainless yet, and I can legally do so, I will probably start. Aluminum just aint cool for slider grommets or rings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
golowjoe 0 #24 October 4, 2007 Don't know if you're asking about Mel's rings . But if you are I can tell you that we have never used aluminum rings . There was a guy a couple of years ago using it and i think he has since changed . Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstu 0 #25 October 4, 2007 i have both aluminum and stainless from multiple creators and prefer the stainless. both types of aluminum rings float up my risers when flying in full flight and coming out of a front riser dive. i've also accidently grabbed the ring instead of the rear riser when it floated up and had to switch hand position when i was in my roll-out. changes the opening characterics a little bit too i've noticed. i've had one RDS set-up with aluminum rings for over 2 years now and it's still going strong, no knicks or abbrassiveness to it.Slip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
