GeeeeeeFly 0 #1 April 27, 2004 I like to stow the slider after the canopy has opened. And was wondering if anyone out there has a particular trick they like to use to keep it down. I have slider stops that I had sewn on the rear risers to keep the slider from creeping up, but I would like to get something better that really reduces the drag and keeps it from flapping in the wind behind my head. Does anyone have any good ideas? ~G~ "The edge ... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who know where it is are those that have gone over" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conquest150 0 #2 April 27, 2004 i have a little loop of velcro sewn on all my jumpsuits to hold the slider down. all it is is a piece of webbing with a strip of pile velcro on one end and some hook velcro on the other end with nothing in the middle. i then sewed the middle of it to the jumpsuit. it only took me about an hour to do that to 5 different suits Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #3 April 27, 2004 Quotei have a little loop of velcro sewn on all my jumpsuits to hold the slider down. all it is is a piece of webbing with a strip of pile velcro on one end and some hook velcro on the other end with nothing in the middle. Same thing, works real good. The only difference is I attached it to the yoke of my rig so I don't have to wear a jumpsuit.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miami 0 #4 April 28, 2004 I keep mine under my chin after I collapse it. Easy to stow and easy to undo after you land. Doing it this way you do have to be careful about not letting it come back up in front of your face...especially during landing. Having a double drawstring on the slider does seem to make this method more secure over the single drawstring. I've done it this way for close to 3000 jumps and had no problems. Hope this helps...Miami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #5 April 28, 2004 There was a fatality in AZ just in the last 2 weeks when the slider popped back open ind flew into the guys face as he was landing. I'd probally stay away from that method and stick to something that keeps it behind the head so if it does pop open its not an issue.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diveout 0 #6 April 28, 2004 I like what Kelly F did for me on my Infinity, the 1 inch by four inch hook velcro sew onto the yoke of the rig, directly through the binding tape, with matching thread and type four webbing (it looks really clean and sharp)-the other half of the velcro is on the slider of the main canopy. warning-don't sew on a rig that is packed up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #7 April 28, 2004 QuoteI have slider stops that I had sewn on the rear risers to keep the slider from creeping up well, take them off the rears and put them on the front risers and you wont' have a problem. that way, it keeps the front of the slider down, and won't let it inflate to bubble up like it is. putting them on your rears just makes it even easier to do this, just it won't let it go up your riser's as high.lata Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kimblair13 0 #8 April 28, 2004 shiz dan i shoulda had you do that yesterday before i had kevin give me a re-pack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #9 April 28, 2004 After I pull it down, I roll the crap out of it. It tends to work well, unless I'm under canopy for a long time (altitude clear and pull, for example). Then it tends to unroll as I go along, on normal jumps it seems to stay rolled up long enough for me to fly around and land. Your milage may vary, certain conditions and terms apply.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #10 April 28, 2004 I have a piece of bungee with the black plastic ball and a rubberband on my reserve flap. I roll the slider tight and pull the rubberband over the slider and back over the ball. Works great. I was thinking of sewing a tab on the top of my rig to put the bungee instead, but Im not sold yet. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dsbbreck 0 #11 April 28, 2004 A lot of people at my dropzone have something similar to Johnny1488. We sewed a loop onto the slider to attach a rubberband to and then have a monkeyfist ball attached to webbing around the reserve flap. Roll up the slider and put the rubber band around the ball. It works great.David "Socrates wasn't killed because he had the answer.......he was killed because he asked the question." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeeeeeeFly 0 #12 April 28, 2004 I like this idea and have seen some pilots use it. I just never understood how it worked. Where can I get one? As for the under the chin trick, I am out on that one after I saw a guy cut away with his slider under there. It didn't help that he had a full set up on his camera helmet... ~G~ "The edge ... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who know where it is are those that have gone over" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #13 April 28, 2004 QuoteWe sewed a loop onto the slider to attach a rubberband to and then have a monkeyfist ball attached to webbing around the reserve flap. Roll up the slider and put the rubber band around the ball. It works great. While a lot of people use this system sucessfuly I'm not a fan. I know of three individuals who have had deployment problems with that system when excess brake line was snagged by it on opnening. Not looking for the horseshoe mal.....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #14 April 28, 2004 Not to mention that if you have to chop for any reason, you're holding onto your main. There aren't many reasons to chop after you've stowed your slider, but there are a couple that are enough to make me not want to use a system like this. I collapse the slider and tuck half of it into the back of my helmet."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #15 April 28, 2004 QuoteNot to mention that if you have to chop for any reason, you're holding onto your main. Also one of the reasons I prefer the velcro on the youke system. I've done cuttaway tests on it, and it releases easily....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diveout 0 #16 April 28, 2004 slider in back ouf your helmet sounds kinda dangerous to me, especially in that cutaway situation... I guess it's better than wrapping the draw-sting around your neck and securing with a surgeon's knot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 26 #17 April 28, 2004 QuoteAlso one of the reasons I prefer the velcro on the youke system. I've done cuttaway tests on it, and it releases easily.... As far as I remember, Derek (hookandswoop) did tests on the velcro on jumpsuit arrangement, and it cleared away easilly too.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianSGermain 1 #18 April 28, 2004 Your main parachute should be attached to you by means of the three rings only. Increasing the number of attachment points decreases the chances of a successful cutaway. Why increase the risks? The performance gains from removing all slider drag are infinitesimal at best. Your body position matters more, and your approach even more than that. Focus on the variables that actually matter. Increasing your risks of a main-reserve entanglement for a variable that simply does not matter is not a smart choice in risk vs. payoff. I designed the slider draw-strings to reduce the drag of the slider so that we could swoop a little further, and to reduce the annoying flapping noise. Whether it is completely deflated or not is not an issue. If it is down all the way and is slack (spanwise) when the chest strap is loosened, it has no significant effect on the canopy's performance. "Slocks" or slider locks, when located at the bottom of the front risers, do hold the slider down all the way quite effectively. They accomplish this goal without increasing the risk of main-reserve entanglement. Think this though and you will see that hyper-focusing on inconsequential details is a waste of time better spent on learning how to actually fly your canopy better. I know this post is very direct, but I don't want to see any more of my friends bounce over silly things like their slider-stowing method...Instructional Videos:www.AdventureWisdom.com Keynote Speaking:www.TranscendingFEAR.com Canopies and Courses:www.BIGAIRSPORTZ.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chachi 0 #19 April 28, 2004 I roll the slider and stick it in my mouth. Easy and not attached to you. Also, less time undoing the slider stow strings. Seems to work fine but I was thinking of going back to velcro on my jumpsuits or rig. I also used that method. ~Chachi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianSGermain 1 #20 April 28, 2004 Holding your slider in your mouth seriously compromises your field of vision, and limits how much you can turn your head. Velcroing it to your rig can cause a main-reserve entanglement. Tucking it under your chin can allow it to slip out and cover your face at an unopportune moment. We have friends that have DIED from all these mistakes. If we do not learn from the deaths of others, we deserve what we get.Instructional Videos:www.AdventureWisdom.com Keynote Speaking:www.TranscendingFEAR.com Canopies and Courses:www.BIGAIRSPORTZ.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #21 April 28, 2004 I do have locks on the front risers. I don't think having some slider under the helmet would stick in a cutaway situation, as it slips out easily enough on its own (leaning my head far forwards causes it to slide out). I generally just do it to avoid flappage when it gets partially inflated after stowing, but that sounds like a reasonable philosphy: "Your main parachute should be attached to you by means of the three rings only.""¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerock 1 #22 April 28, 2004 This doesn't reduce your field of vision at all? It would seem to me that it would give you less clearance and would make it harder to look over or under it when checking your blind spots. It doesn't sound like a fantastic idea. -Rory QuoteI do have locks on the front risers. I don't think having some slider under the helmet would stick in a cutaway situation, as it slips out easily enough on its own (leaning my head far forwards causes it to slide out). I generally just do it to avoid flappage when it gets partially inflated after stowing, but that sounds like a reasonable philosphy: "Your main parachute should be attached to you by means of the three rings only." You be the king and I'll overthrow your government. --KRS-ONE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #23 April 28, 2004 The slider is still behind my head. It's just that it's only held down on the front grommets. The rear grommets are sort of pinned down between the risers and and under the front grommets. Probably not a good idea to have locks on the rear risers."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #24 April 28, 2004 QuoteWe have friends that have DIED from all these mistakes. If we do not learn from the deaths of others, we deserve what we get Let me reiterate what Brian has said. Putting your slider in your mouth or under your chin is a recipe for disaster. The recent death in Eloy is attributed to a slider that was under the jumpers chin covering his face when he was low to the ground. His reaching for the slider caused him to toggle it into the ground and die. You get no cool points for stowing your slider that way or dying, so why do it?"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #25 April 29, 2004 QuoteWhile a lot of people use this system sucessfuly I'm not a fan. I know of three individuals who have had deployment problems with that system when excess brake line was snagged by it on opnening. I never understood that one. If you put the rubberband on the ball on the rig, you dont need to modify your canopy at all. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
