bobsoutar 0 #51 November 4, 2002 Sorry to hear about the grounding, Gary. Have to agree with the others though, it does look like body position. PM me if you are looking to sell it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garywainwright 0 #52 November 4, 2002 I'm going to see what precision say. I've rechecked my logbook and its actually 4 cutaways in 309 jumps - I must have an awful position!! PM me with an offer for the canopy - I'll weigh it up against what precision say.http://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roq 0 #53 November 4, 2002 Before you get out the canopy is better one check of lines dimensions by rigger. Is possible, but no probable, any mistake with lines in factory. Roq Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #54 November 4, 2002 I think you did the right thing. Make a decision and act. It's hard to tell from the video what was happening beyond the obvious spinning canopy for 10 seconds. It looked to me that the canopy was about to stabilize and stop spinning when you cut away. I've spun up my Samurai once or twice from bad body position. In my experience, as long as a brake is not released, I eventually found myself under a fully inflated canopy w/ 6 or 7 line twists. It was very unsettling to watch happen. The canopy wasn't spinning further, so I checked altitude and kicked out.My decision was based on an aesthetic feel. I don't know how a Xaos opening feels. You know the canopy and I think you made the right decision. Ken "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parachutist 1 #55 November 4, 2002 Quotethe canopy has now been grounded! I'm gutted! Thanks for replying anyway. Stiletto 135, Xaos 108 Well that can't be permanent... I'd suggest working down the line... like borrowing / demoing a Xaos 135, then a 120, then after you feel comfortable with openings on those, go on to the 108 blue skies, soft grass =] Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imdskydiver 0 #56 November 5, 2002 Looking at the video frame by frame it looks like the 4 way tracks off , You reach for your pilot chute and roll slightly to your right then pitch it and roll quickly to the left , The lines on the left side go tight first and then the right . I encountered the same problem earlier this year and have since corrected it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #57 November 5, 2002 QuoteYou reach for your pilot chute and roll slightly to your right then pitch it and roll quickly to the left Hmmmm......could it be that the wings arn't getting collapsed completely on throw out?Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #58 November 27, 2002 Hi Gary, Just a note. I'm jumping an 84'Xaos @2.2+/1 out of trim. This past weekend I had 2 openings like that an found that I had unintensionally released the left brake line on my riser trying to 'fly' the opening! Another thin my packer showed me was pulling the center cell out and pushing the slider back more to the tail so that the nose inflates before the end cells. I was able to kick out of both! Good luck, C 1062 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garywainwright 0 #59 November 29, 2002 Thanks for the packing tips. When I've retrieved my canopy after my cutaways I've never knocked a brake off - i can imagine it would make it pretty exciting! Precision have my canopy for evaluation at the moment - watch this space!http://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
townsrd 0 #60 November 30, 2002 I've jumped a Xaos 21 (93) for the last year with about 250 jumps on it. It the best opening canopy I've owned. More on heading than my Viper120, or Vengenances120"s (2). Only couple of firm openings, no slammers. Easy to fly on heading during the snivel using the rear risers.Straight pro pack it, roll the nose each side in 1 turn, center cell open, quarter the slider pulled out 2" in front of center cell. I use superbands on sides of bag & 3 locking stows, tough to put on but OK. Only cutaway was due to HMA line grabing tabbed slider kill line and hanging it up. Packing method seams to have little effect on openings. Coould just be an odd canopy. I've had 2 Vengenances. One never opened worth a shit (sniveled nice then turned like a bitch. The other nice as can be. Talk tp Precision.Quote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #61 December 2, 2002 Hey Gary, FYI, I am sending my Xaos 84 back for a reline today. Mine was the first production Xaos out. It has dynema (mini-spectra) lines and obviouslly out of trim after well over 500 jumps on it per Chris Martin@ Precision. Over the weekend, I put 16 jumps on a newish 80' with the HMA lines on it and the squirrelly openings I was getting on the 84 disappeared! The 80' opened like a dream on heading and soft but firm. Just my .02. Can't wait to get this one back next Friday. I'll let you know. Blue ones, Conway C 1079 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites garywainwright 0 #62 December 14, 2002 Thought you all may be interested to know that after test jumping my canopy Precision have offered me a new one because of a tendancy to turn right on opening. They have been very helpful with this problem. Thanks to PA and thanks to all who posted!http://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites roq 0 #63 December 14, 2002 Can you inform which the true technical problem of the canopy ? Roq Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tbostick 0 #64 December 15, 2002 but remember, too much bite in a stow leaves enough loop to loop around another stow, potentially causing a bag lock. Know where your lines are as you rotate that bag into the container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #65 December 16, 2002 Quotebut remember, too much bite in a stow leaves enough loop to loop around another stow, potentially causing a bag lock. Try as hard as you can to make that happen. It doesn't happen. ====== Sorry to hear your canopy is grounded. The most difficult thing to do on deployment is Nothing. Try not to make any corrections, or harness shifts or turns with the risers. Just stay neutral untill it inflates. Many people will be surprised at how much Better their own canopy opens. Nice vid. C-yaMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites garywainwright 0 #66 December 16, 2002 Precision have replaced my canopy - as per previous post. When the tested it it was opening off to the right everytime - they'vr been fantastic sorting this out for me!http://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sonic 0 #67 December 16, 2002 So now you've been compensating for it, the new good canopy will be going left Good to hear you got a new one ----------------------------------- It's like something out of that twilighty show about that zone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #68 December 16, 2002 QuotePrecision have replaced my canopy - as per previous post. When the tested it it was opening off to the right everytime - they'vr been fantastic sorting this out for me! Excellent... (sorry I missed that post) Happy to hear it's been sorted out. C-yaMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites alan 1 #69 December 30, 2002 Contact the mfgr. They will most likely have you send the canopy back for evaluation. If it is defective, they will probably offer you a replacement.alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #70 January 3, 2003 QuotePrecision have replaced my canopy - as per previous post. When the tested it it was opening off to the right everytime - they'vr been fantastic sorting this out for me! QuoteContact the mfgr. They will most likely have you send the canopy back for evaluation. If it is defective, they will probably offer you a replacement. They did. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydogs 0 #71 October 10, 2003 Just going back through some old stuff. I had this EXACT thing happening to me with my Xaos 98 loaded at ~2.0. I had put about 150 jumps or so on it without any problems. Then I started getting the openings that were exactly like the video. Opened up straight & on heading, then wham.. turns right and dives so fast that it puts slack in the lines and it would actually trow me into a roll in the opposite direction. I got the the point where I'd be trying to counter it using A LOT of the opposit rear riser, but it would still take off. Anyhow, I found that my left leg strap was slipping, so I stopped that (which helped but did not eliminate the issue). The lines were getting old, so I had precision reline it and problem gone.. Back to sweet soft on heading openings.. funny video though, I've got one that looks exactly like it.. I was having lots of problems, but only one chop from it.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites garywainwright 0 #72 October 10, 2003 Precision sorted this out for me at no cost to me. The replacement is fine.http://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydogs 0 #73 October 10, 2003 I just thought that it was funny cause I went through the same stuff trying to figure mine out.. It's great now with absolutely no complaints.. In no way saying anything negative about Precision. I abolutely love my XAOS.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #74 October 13, 2003 My Xaos 27-83 did it to me too but it was from the way I packed it. The right side got full inflation before the left and before I could chase it, multiple line twists! All I had to do was even up the risers and it was gone. When packing Xaos's I found the most consistant soft on heading openings are with the center cell pulled a couple of inches past the slider and feathering the other cells back into the pack job a little. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
jumperconway 0 #61 December 2, 2002 Hey Gary, FYI, I am sending my Xaos 84 back for a reline today. Mine was the first production Xaos out. It has dynema (mini-spectra) lines and obviouslly out of trim after well over 500 jumps on it per Chris Martin@ Precision. Over the weekend, I put 16 jumps on a newish 80' with the HMA lines on it and the squirrelly openings I was getting on the 84 disappeared! The 80' opened like a dream on heading and soft but firm. Just my .02. Can't wait to get this one back next Friday. I'll let you know. Blue ones, Conway C 1079 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garywainwright 0 #62 December 14, 2002 Thought you all may be interested to know that after test jumping my canopy Precision have offered me a new one because of a tendancy to turn right on opening. They have been very helpful with this problem. Thanks to PA and thanks to all who posted!http://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roq 0 #63 December 14, 2002 Can you inform which the true technical problem of the canopy ? Roq Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbostick 0 #64 December 15, 2002 but remember, too much bite in a stow leaves enough loop to loop around another stow, potentially causing a bag lock. Know where your lines are as you rotate that bag into the container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #65 December 16, 2002 Quotebut remember, too much bite in a stow leaves enough loop to loop around another stow, potentially causing a bag lock. Try as hard as you can to make that happen. It doesn't happen. ====== Sorry to hear your canopy is grounded. The most difficult thing to do on deployment is Nothing. Try not to make any corrections, or harness shifts or turns with the risers. Just stay neutral untill it inflates. Many people will be surprised at how much Better their own canopy opens. Nice vid. C-yaMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garywainwright 0 #66 December 16, 2002 Precision have replaced my canopy - as per previous post. When the tested it it was opening off to the right everytime - they'vr been fantastic sorting this out for me!http://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonic 0 #67 December 16, 2002 So now you've been compensating for it, the new good canopy will be going left Good to hear you got a new one ----------------------------------- It's like something out of that twilighty show about that zone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #68 December 16, 2002 QuotePrecision have replaced my canopy - as per previous post. When the tested it it was opening off to the right everytime - they'vr been fantastic sorting this out for me! Excellent... (sorry I missed that post) Happy to hear it's been sorted out. C-yaMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alan 1 #69 December 30, 2002 Contact the mfgr. They will most likely have you send the canopy back for evaluation. If it is defective, they will probably offer you a replacement.alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #70 January 3, 2003 QuotePrecision have replaced my canopy - as per previous post. When the tested it it was opening off to the right everytime - they'vr been fantastic sorting this out for me! QuoteContact the mfgr. They will most likely have you send the canopy back for evaluation. If it is defective, they will probably offer you a replacement. They did. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydogs 0 #71 October 10, 2003 Just going back through some old stuff. I had this EXACT thing happening to me with my Xaos 98 loaded at ~2.0. I had put about 150 jumps or so on it without any problems. Then I started getting the openings that were exactly like the video. Opened up straight & on heading, then wham.. turns right and dives so fast that it puts slack in the lines and it would actually trow me into a roll in the opposite direction. I got the the point where I'd be trying to counter it using A LOT of the opposit rear riser, but it would still take off. Anyhow, I found that my left leg strap was slipping, so I stopped that (which helped but did not eliminate the issue). The lines were getting old, so I had precision reline it and problem gone.. Back to sweet soft on heading openings.. funny video though, I've got one that looks exactly like it.. I was having lots of problems, but only one chop from it.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garywainwright 0 #72 October 10, 2003 Precision sorted this out for me at no cost to me. The replacement is fine.http://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydogs 0 #73 October 10, 2003 I just thought that it was funny cause I went through the same stuff trying to figure mine out.. It's great now with absolutely no complaints.. In no way saying anything negative about Precision. I abolutely love my XAOS.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #74 October 13, 2003 My Xaos 27-83 did it to me too but it was from the way I packed it. The right side got full inflation before the left and before I could chase it, multiple line twists! All I had to do was even up the risers and it was gone. When packing Xaos's I found the most consistant soft on heading openings are with the center cell pulled a couple of inches past the slider and feathering the other cells back into the pack job a little. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
