5.samadhi 0 #1 May 7, 2012 What would you do on board the plane if the pilot became unconscious and did not respond to attempts to revive? For instance if he/she were having a massive heart attack. Lets say for sake of the situation that nobody knows how to fly a plane on board (that would change the situation entirely if somebody had their PL). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #2 May 7, 2012 QuoteWhat would you do on board the plane if the pilot became unconscious and did not respond to attempts to revive? For instance if he/she were having a massive heart attack. Lets say for sake of the situation that nobody knows how to fly a plane on board (that would change the situation entirely if somebody had their PL). Is the pilot wearing an emergency bailout rig? If so, drag him out the door with you and pull his ripcord for him. Screw the airplane. If you can keep the plane flying level, perhaps you can give him some time and see if he will regain consciousness long enough to land. If he doesn't have a rig and stays unconscious, he's screwed - bail out and save yourself. If someone wants to try and land the plane without having any pilot training, let 'em. It's their own life they're gambling with, to try and save another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisward3 0 #3 May 7, 2012 Personally... I would evac the jumpers out of the plane, remove the pilot from the seat and proceed to guide the plane down. Being in close proximity to the airport means that little flying skill is necessary to keep the wings level as you coast the plane down. Throw the headset on and talk to anyone that will listen and may be able to provide assistance/get the emerg vehicles spun up. A rough landing (albeit somewhat controlled) on or near the airport that poses some risk to yourself, but can potentially save the pilot, aircraft, and any innocent bystanders should the plane fly aimlessly with no one at the controls (if everyone minus the injured pilot bailed out) is a preferable solution to just letting the plane crash wherever it wants (surely killing the pilot if he was not already dead). Thats my $0.02 in the what-if game (but i also have some experience flying) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 201 #4 May 7, 2012 Unless you know all of the characteristics of the aircraft you have a pretty good chance of augering yourself and any passengers. Be thankful you learned to skydive and use that equipment for what it was originally designed for...or not. If I'm in the plane with you I'll give you my best Dr. Rumack impersonation and say "good luck, we're all counting on you." as I exit. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 723 #5 May 7, 2012 Do we have wingsuits on too? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
milehigheric 0 #6 May 7, 2012 I would land it....then hold a grudge against the pilot for having a heart attack and stopping me for jumping, well if he survived that is. I do have a PPL however. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #7 May 7, 2012 I would have others help me get him out of the seat and then fly the airplane, get everyone out and then land it. I'm not a PPL holder but have many, many, many hours right seat & some left seat in most jumpships out there from Totters to 182's. YMMVyou can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1freak 0 #8 May 7, 2012 This... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScvG0r6Z2Ac HAVE FUN... ...JUST DONT DIE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontlikemustard 0 #9 May 7, 2012 Quote This... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScvG0r6Z2Ac now thats just fucking evil. but i couldnt help but laugh. if the pilot passes out? I don't know how to land a plane, but I know how to make it gain altitude.... ill go up as high as I can, then bail with the pilot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bochen280 0 #10 May 7, 2012 QuoteWhat would you do on board the plane if the pilot became unconscious and did not respond to attempts to revive? For instance if he/she were having a massive heart attack. Lets say for sake of the situation that nobody knows how to fly a plane on board (that would change the situation entirely if somebody had their PL). Check first to see if the PNF is conscious first. If also not then...if the flightplan is already programmed into the FMS/FMC/CDU just make sure the appropriate annunciator lights are activated at the right times and that the aircraft is in the correct modes. Use autothrottle, fly the flight director or in VNAV/LNAV/etc modes and if aircraft has FBW systems you don't even have to worry about stuff like trimming, turn coordination, etc declare emergency, get clearance for landing and let the aircraft land and flare itself by using the systems by doing a ILS CAT III autoland. At decision height be prepared to do a TOGA if stuff goes south. Just make sure to capture localizer and glideslope prior to that and at 50ft radio altimeter callout bring throttles back to idle, reversers activated to full position once on ground, back to idle at 80knots. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #11 May 7, 2012 Quote Check first to see if the PNF is conscious first. If also not then...if the flightplan is already programmed into the FMS/FMC/CDU just make sure the appropriate annunciator lights are activated at the right times and that the aircraft is in the correct modes. Use autothrottle, fly the flight director or in VNAV/LNAV/etc modes and if aircraft has FBW systems you don't even have to worry about stuff like trimming, turn coordination, etc declare emergency, get clearance for landing and let the aircraft land and flare itself by using the systems by doing a ILS CAT III autoland. At decision height be prepared to do a TOGA if stuff goes south. Just make sure to capture localizer and glideslope prior to that and at 50ft radio altimeter callout bring throttles back to idle, reversers activated to full position once on ground, back to idle at 80knots. C'mon now.. did you see that on a video? LOL. jk! I have to admit, I think I would probably make a sorry assed attempt to land it and kill myself and the pilot in the process. Screw the airport though, I wouldn't turn. Just trying and figure out how the flaps work and then gently ease forward on the yoke until I could figure out how to get it back to level from slight decline and then take her down nice and slow until I find a great big field and then put her down and shut the key off, More than likely doing a front flip into the dirt and ending it all for myself. Edited to add: On second thought, I would probably be more useful to jump out and run for help... -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #12 May 7, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhat would you do on board the plane if the pilot became unconscious and did not respond to attempts to revive? For instance if he/she were having a massive heart attack. Lets say for sake of the situation that nobody knows how to fly a plane on board (that would change the situation entirely if somebody had their PL). Check first to see if the PNF is conscious first. If also not then...if the flightplan is already programmed into the FMS/FMC/CDU just make sure the appropriate annunciator lights are activated at the right times and that the aircraft is in the correct modes. Use autothrottle, fly the flight director or in VNAV/LNAV/etc modes and if aircraft has FBW systems you don't even have to worry about stuff like trimming, turn coordination, etc declare emergency, get clearance for landing and let the aircraft land and flare itself by using the systems by doing a ILS CAT III autoland. At decision height be prepared to do a TOGA if stuff goes south. Just make sure to capture localizer and glideslope prior to that and at 50ft radio altimeter callout bring throttles back to idle, reversers activated to full position once on ground, back to idle at 80knots. All of that on a 182? I think not! FWIW, I'd probably get the pilot out of the seat, get everyone to bail and try to land the plane... But I do have a few hours. We have a pretty good size Class D right down the road with a nice long runway, I'm sure the owner of the plane would be happy to get it back in one piece and it might even be worth a few beers afterwords."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 277 #13 May 7, 2012 Quote Check first to see if the PNF is conscious first. If also not then...if the flightplan is already programmed into the FMS/FMC/CDU just make sure the appropriate annunciator lights are a A totally joking answer! It is, right? But given that there's another thread where you show enthusiasm for learning skills off the internet and not through formal classes, one starts to wonder... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdpml 0 #14 May 7, 2012 I would move his beer away from him and put his head gently on the bar so he would be ok to fly in the morning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontlikemustard 0 #15 May 7, 2012 On another note, I'm sure we could fly the plane around 40 minutes until he wakes up.... /thread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #16 May 7, 2012 QuoteOn another note, I'm sure we could fly the plane around 40 minutes until he wakes up.... Yup, because people just 'wake up' from heart attack/strokes."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontlikemustard 0 #17 May 7, 2012 QuoteQuoteOn another note, I'm sure we could fly the plane around 40 minutes until he wakes up.... Yup, because people just 'wake up' from heart attack/strokes. oh, i thought we were just talking about the pilot just passing out... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #18 May 7, 2012 QuoteWhat would you do on board the plane if the pilot became unconscious and did not respond to attempts to revive? For instance if he/she were having a massive heart attack. Didja even bother to read it?"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontlikemustard 0 #19 May 7, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhat would you do on board the plane if the pilot became unconscious and did not respond to attempts to revive? For instance if he/she were having a massive heart attack. Didja even bother to read it? Yes, 6 hours ago. Forgot about the "massive heart attack" part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 201 #20 May 7, 2012 Quote I would move his beer away from him and put his head gently on the bar so he would be ok to fly in the morning. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #21 May 7, 2012 Exit last, but first get his watch and wallet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpsalot-2 3 #22 May 8, 2012 ......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQbj9uvYL8I.....(skip the ad)..... Life is short ... jump often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #23 May 8, 2012 Quoteif the flightplan is already programmed into the FMS/FMC/CDU Not real familiar with jumpships, eh? How exactly do you program a wing-over followed by a 4000 fpm descent from 13k in to a FMS? Unlike the majority of aircraft out there, paint, panel and interior are very low on the list of 'desireable' features in a jump plane. Jump planes are a different breed and operated in a different manner than most. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theplummeter 15 #24 May 8, 2012 Quote Quote if the flightplan is already programmed into the FMS/FMC/CDU Not real familiar with jumpships, eh? How exactly do you program a wing-over followed by a 4000 fpm descent from 13k in to a FMS? Collins ProLine or Universal UNS1? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 723 #25 May 8, 2012 Aim that shit at my ex-wife's house and bail the fuck out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
