fcajump 153 #51 July 10, 2012 Agreed. If flying a controlable/landable canopy that is likely to stay that way, keep it. Reserves can fail. But how do you know if its landable? That's what practice (up high, before you need to know) is about. I don't agree with all BG preaches, but he is 100% on this one... you should strive to know EVERTHING you canopy can do... if you don't (yet) then you got more learning to do. Never know when you'll need to know how to get just that little bit extra from your canopy. I agree with keeping up on maintanence, but are you ready when something fails anyway?? JW PS - landed large/student canopy on rears twice when the steering lines broke... but because it was part of my DZ's taught process for learning new canopies, I already had tried it on prior jumps. Scared, yes, but did what I practiced and it worked great. PPS - and yes, I have heard of injuries (fatal?) from broken/untied/etc steering toggles down low. PPPS - what ever happened to "if you can't say something nice, STFU"?? Yes, this newbie should ask his local instructors and take advice here with a large grain of salt. And the newbie that shows up next month may ask the same question again. Please either patiently direct/advise/recommend again, or STFU. rec.skydiving lost all its good/useful purpose when it became a small group of know-it-alls that just wanted to slam everyone else, or rehash all the old arguments with personal insults and snide comments. You may have been here for years (so have I) but there will always be newbies, and they are the future experts, so stop chasing them off. /rantAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sky_doggy 0 #52 July 10, 2012 Quote PPPS - what ever happened to "if you can't say something nice, STFU"?? Yes, this newbie should ask his local instructors and take advice here with a large grain of salt. And the newbie that shows up next month may ask the same question again. Please either patiently direct/advise/recommend again, or STFU. rec.skydiving lost all its good/useful purpose when it became a small group of know-it-alls that just wanted to slam everyone else, or rehash all the old arguments with personal insults and snide comments. You may have been here for years (so have I) but there will always be newbies, and they are the future experts, so stop chasing them off. /rant +1 (Coming from a noobie) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #53 July 11, 2012 QuotePPPS - what ever happened to "if you can't say something nice, STFU"?? Yes, this newbie should ask his local instructors and take advice here with a large grain of salt. And the newbie that shows up next month may ask the same question again. Please either patiently direct/advise/recommend again, or STFU. rec.skydiving lost all its good/useful purpose when it became a small group of know-it-alls that just wanted to slam everyone else, or rehash all the old arguments with personal insults and snide comments. You may have been here for years (so have I) but there will always be newbies, and they are the future experts, so stop chasing them off. /rant The poster has a solid track record of being a troll.... So while he might not be acting that way right here, right now.... But your track record has a way of following you. So when he acts like a troll 99% of the time and then tries to be serious, well, you can expect that some people are just not going to believe him."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 153 #54 July 11, 2012 QuoteQuotePPPS - what ever happened to "if you can't say something nice, STFU"?? Yes, this newbie should ask his local instructors and take advice here with a large grain of salt. And the newbie that shows up next month may ask the same question again. Please either patiently direct/advise/recommend again, or STFU. rec.skydiving lost all its good/useful purpose when it became a small group of know-it-alls that just wanted to slam everyone else, or rehash all the old arguments with personal insults and snide comments. You may have been here for years (so have I) but there will always be newbies, and they are the future experts, so stop chasing them off. /rant The poster has a solid track record of being a troll.... So while he might not be acting that way right here, right now.... But your track record has a way of following you. So when he acts like a troll 99% of the time and then tries to be serious, well, you can expect that some people are just not going to believe him. Understood, and if my Rant was out of line or anyone took offence then... my bad. However as there are other newbie's here as well, and they don't know his track record, I hope that they can see the legtimate question and get a good answer. Just my $.02 Feel free to PM me with any offline thoughts. JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #55 July 11, 2012 Quote The poster has a solid track record of being a troll.... So while he might not be acting that way right here, right now.... But your track record has a way of following you. So when he acts like a troll 99% of the time and then tries to be serious, well, you can expect that some people are just not going to believe him. Ah yeah it's the bonfire...there i am who i am. Here in this part I'm a student. I read i learn i ask questions. You know people can have fun in one part of their lives while being serious in another. OK that BS aside...let's move on shall we? So on student lightly loaded wings, will the rears feel heavier than highly loaded wings? And as such are they as effective? I've had very good luck with my 1:1 extending my glide slope using rears while making it back from a somewhat long spot.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #56 July 11, 2012 QuoteAh yeah it's the bonfire...there i am who i am. Here in this part I'm a student. I read i learn i ask questions. When you troll 99% of the time, expect to be treated like a troll all the time. You don't get to act like an ass 99% of the time and then suddenly cry that when YOU want to be serious others don't take you seriously. QuoteYou know people can have fun in one part of their lives while being serious in another. Here is a thought.... Stop acting like a troll and maybe then people will treat you seriously. QuoteOK that BS aside...let's move on shall we? I have moved on... I have decided that you are not to be taken seriously based on your past performance. Therefore, I am not going to "feed the troll" even when he seems to be genuine."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #57 July 12, 2012 OK those panties are in a nice line twist! OK when working on rear riser controlls is it best to keep the breaks stowed or unstowed? per your experiences what is safer? At the moment, after deployment, i ensure all is well and the lower and close the slider. But before any of that i grab the rears just incase i have to turn to avoid anyone. While flying last time I noticed that it was a little easier to utilize the rears witht he breaks stowed. What is the cause of this? And is it safe to practice utilizing the rears high up with the breaks in the stowed position? Thank youLife through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #58 July 12, 2012 Nevermind.... I am going to stop feeding the troll."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinciflies 0 #59 July 12, 2012 It is good to know how your canopy responds on rears with brakes (note the spelling) stowed and unstowed. You can practice both up high. Quote While flying last time I noticed that it was a little easier to utilize the rears witht he breaks stowed. What is the cause of this? You tell us. What lines are you pulling on in each case (brakes stowed and unstowed)? Where do those lines attach? What is the difference in "control surface" in each case? Does that explain why one is more responsive than the other? I am serious - give it a shot at answering those questions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #60 July 12, 2012 QuoteOK those panties are in a nice line twist! OK when working on rear riser controlls is it best to keep the breaks stowed or unstowed? per your experiences what is safer? At the moment, after deployment, i ensure all is well and the lower and close the slider. But before any of that i grab the rears just incase i have to turn to avoid anyone. While flying last time I noticed that it was a little easier to utilize the rears witht he breaks stowed. What is the cause of this? And is it safe to practice utilizing the rears high up with the breaks in the stowed position? Thank you You have 70 jumps and have been in the sport 3 yrs. Try using your thought process. What is different about your canopy when the brakes are set. Sorry, you don't deserve spoon feeding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #61 July 12, 2012 QuoteYou tell us. What lines are you pulling on in each case (brakes stowed and unstowed)? Where do those lines attach? What is the difference in "control surface" in each case? Does that explain why one is more responsive than the other? I am serious - give it a shot at answering those questions. Well the rears are attached at the same distance as the brakes. So whent hey are half stowed the rears sould be more slack? Man why didn't I bring my parachute into the office....I'll be honest I'm not 100% sure how far back the D lines and the brakes go and how close they are to each other. I do understand that the rears effect more surface than the brakes do so that I understand but when i get home tonight I'll have to check my lines.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinciflies 0 #62 July 12, 2012 Good. That's a start. Do some homework tonight and let us know your revised answer in the morning! (Hint: if any lines other than brake lines are slack during flight you have a problem. Line tension is your very good friend). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #63 July 13, 2012 QuoteI have decided that you are not to be taken seriously based on your past performance. Play the message, not the messenger. Simple concept.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #64 July 13, 2012 Easier just to ingore him from now on."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,384 #65 July 14, 2012 >OK when working on rear riser controlls is it best to keep the breaks stowed or unstowed? The only reason I can imagine that you might want to try landing with brakes stowed is if you can't release either brake. Other than that, it's worthwhile to know how to steer using rear risers with brakes stowed for collision avoidance after opening. >While flying last time I noticed that it was a little easier to utilize the rears witht he >breaks stowed. Right. Brakes pull on risers when stowed and you are fighting that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #66 July 14, 2012 QuoteOther than that, it's worthwhile to know how to steer using rear risers with brakes stowed for collision avoidance after opening. I'm sure you have, I know I have had to do that more than a couple of times over the years. Especially on organized dives that turned into a zoo at boogies.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinciflies 0 #67 July 14, 2012 Shah Have you looked yet and had a thin about what is going on? It might be easier to look at a picture of canopy in flight where you can see the lines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #68 July 16, 2012 QuoteAggieDave Thank you if there is another class offered here in NJ I think I will sign up. Not NJ but not too far. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4340999#4340999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinciflies 0 #69 July 16, 2012 Lost interest, Shah? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #70 July 20, 2012 work/rain/sick and reading and learning from the other threads.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
