billvon 101 Report post January 30, 2012 USPA has a recommendation that you should have 200 jumps before you jump with a camera, and that is an excellent recommendation. Skydivers MAY have enough experience at 200 jumps to do camera (although most do not) - but before 200 jumps it's pretty much a guaranteed bad idea. There are some other indications that it's a bad idea to jump with a camera, and you may want to reconsider your decision to jump one: 1) You can't stand up all your landings but you have learned how to fall to protect the camera. 2) A lot of your videos from doing POV bigway video are of excellent funnels. You are positive you're not contributing to them but they always seem to happen near you. 3) You spend more time trying to figure out where to put your camera during the exit jamup than where to put your body. 4) You can't really remember the dive until you look at your own video. 5) You post stills from your video to Facebook before packing or debriefing. 6) While in the pattern you fly with your camera pointed at your friend's canopy. If any of these happen to you, you may want to reconsider jumping with a camera - especially when you're not doing video, you're just a participant on the dive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abedy 0 Report post January 30, 2012 +1 Excellent! Ummm... Quote 4) You can't really remember the dive until you look at your own video. The dive didn't happen before it was displayed on screen The sky is not the limit. The ground is. The Society of Skydiving Ducks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 Report post January 30, 2012 Quote5) You post stills from your video to Facebook before packing or debriefing. Hey, I take exception to that one! ciel bleu, Saskia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobbik 0 Report post January 30, 2012 hmmm so i shouldn't use my gopro on my aff level 1 in couple of months? :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 Report post January 30, 2012 Quotehmmm so i shouldn't use my gopro on my aff level 1 in couple of months? :D A bigger point is that you are waiting a couple months before going for your AFF. WHY? ciel bleu, Saskia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deisel 0 Report post January 30, 2012 Cause it's freakin cold in Canada right now.The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 0 Report post January 30, 2012 5) You post stills from your video to Facebook before packing or debriefing. ~You know HOW to download those stills to Facebook but not how to untangle your step-through! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 101 Report post January 30, 2012 >You know HOW to download those stills to Facebook but not how to untangle your step-through! Good example of learning things in the wrong order. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobbik 0 Report post January 30, 2012 and it will be freaking cold knowing my luck on my first jump... apr 7th :) but i wont show you how good i am since i wont have a camera :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 0 Report post January 30, 2012 Meh...Wear extra cloths & have at it. Winter jumping is FUN . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 0 Report post January 30, 2012 QuoteMeh...Wear extra cloths & have at it. Winter jumping is FUN . +1 Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 1 Report post January 30, 2012 QuoteUSPA has a recommendation that you should have 200 jumps before you jump with a camera, and that is an excellent recommendation. Skydivers MAY have enough experience at 200 jumps to do camera (although most do not) - but before 200 jumps it's pretty much a guaranteed bad idea. There are some other indications that it's a bad idea to jump with a camera, and you may want to reconsider your decision to jump one: 1) You can't stand up all your landings but you have learned how to fall to protect the camera. 2) A lot of your videos from doing POV bigway video are of excellent funnels. You are positive you're not contributing to them but they always seem to happen near you. 3) You spend more time trying to figure out where to put your camera during the exit jamup than where to put your body. 4) You can't really remember the dive until you look at your own video. 5) You post stills from your video to Facebook before packing or debriefing. 6) While in the pattern you fly with your camera pointed at your friend's canopy. If any of these happen to you, you may want to reconsider jumping with a camera - especially when you're not doing video, you're just a participant on the dive. Outstanding! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VideoFly 0 Report post January 31, 2012 Quote6) While in the pattern you fly with your camera pointed at your friend's canopy. 6b) You and your fellow camera flyer spiral around each other at 300 feet in the landing pattern because you think it adds a cool shot to your tandem video. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SansSuit 0 Report post January 31, 2012 QuoteMeh...Wear extra cloths & have at it. Winter jumping is FUN . Or you can go the other route and wear less clothing. Peace, -Dawson. http://www.SansSuit.com The Society for the Advancement of Naked Skydiving Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mobbik 0 Report post January 31, 2012 I think i like extra cloths in winter :) as for the camers, when i started thinking about jumping i started to look at different camera mounts options etc... (i love photography and i make part of my living doing product shots)...but didnt even occurred to me how dangerous it can be to a newbie, and that it will take a lot of time and experience before one can strap gopro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mobbik 0 Report post January 31, 2012 hahaha Jeff, I thought you were joking...then i visited the SANS site. the plane ride must be interesting ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 0 Report post January 31, 2012 QuoteI think i like extra cloths in winter :) as for the camers, when i started thinking about jumping i started to look at different camera mounts options etc... (i love photography and i make part of my living doing product shots)...but didnt even occurred to me how dangerous it can be to a newbie, and that it will take a lot of time and experience before one can strap gopro. My hat is off to you. Thanks on behalf of yourself and others. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Dean358 0 Report post January 31, 2012 Quote 2) A lot of your videos from doing POV bigway video are of excellent funnels. You are positive you're not contributing to them but they always seem to happen near you. Wait! This happens to me now. Does that mean I should start jumping with a camera? www.wci.nyc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjumpenfool 0 Report post February 1, 2012 QuoteQuote 2) A lot of your videos from doing POV bigway video are of excellent funnels. You are positive you're not contributing to them but they always seem to happen near you. Wait! This happens to me now. Does that mean I should start jumping with a camera? Absolutely!! Please post your asome videos... Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mpreil 0 Report post February 1, 2012 Great list, but you are fighting a losing battle against technology, stupidity, and the great world of social media. 20 years ago "jumping a camera" involved a helmet with 40 pounds of gear. We didn't need rules, only truly dedicated masochists got into camera work. Then Handicams, 8 mm, miniDV, etc. and cameras are down to a pound or two. Today it's the GoPro. Fight it all you want, the next step will be a clip on device the size of a coin sending data wirelessly to a receiver in your pocket. It's not 5-10 years away, it's possible now - there just isn't a big enough market yet. Wait for the next Facebook - "MeTube: All my life, on the Internet, all the time!" - and you won't be able to tell people they can't have their camera on all the time. How do you regulate that? I think it is (sadly) unavoidable that focusing on the dive and ignoring the camera will move from common sense to BSRs to part of the FJC in the next few years. So maybe instead of telling newbies they're not allowed to jump cameras, we work on teaching them how to do it safely. That's how everything else in this sport has evolved. Remember "no square canopies with less than 200 jumps? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinciflies 0 Report post February 1, 2012 QuoteGreat list, but you are fighting a losing battle against technology, stupidity, and the great world of social media. 20 years ago "jumping a camera" involved a helmet with 40 pounds of gear. We didn't need rules, only truly dedicated masochists got into camera work. Then Handicams, 8 mm, miniDV, etc. and cameras are down to a pound or two. Today it's the GoPro. Fight it all you want, the next step will be a clip on device the size of a coin sending data wirelessly to a receiver in your pocket. It's not 5-10 years away, it's possible now - there just isn't a big enough market yet. Wait for the next Facebook - "MeTube: All my life, on the Internet, all the time!" - and you won't be able to tell people they can't have their camera on all the time. How do you regulate that? I think it is (sadly) unavoidable that focusing on the dive and ignoring the camera will move from common sense to BSRs to part of the FJC in the next few years. So maybe instead of telling newbies they're not allowed to jump cameras, we work on teaching them how to do it safely. That's how everything else in this sport has evolved. Remember "no square canopies with less than 200 jumps? That's a fucking good post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jono 0 Report post February 1, 2012 Quote 20 years ago "jumping a camera" involved a helmet with 40 pounds of gear. We didn't need rules, only truly dedicated masochists got into camera work. Then Handicams, 8 mm, miniDV, etc. and cameras are down to a pound or two. Today it's the GoPro. Fight it all you want, the next step will be a clip on device the size of a coin sending data wirelessly to a receiver in your pocket. It's not 5-10 years away, it's possible now.... /Quote Check it out> HD recording sunglasses. You can get goggles as well.Remember you don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop laughing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sacex250 0 Report post February 1, 2012 QuoteI think it is (sadly) unavoidable that focusing on the dive and ignoring the camera will move from common sense to BSRs to part of the FJC in the next few years. So maybe instead of telling newbies they're not allowed to jump cameras, we work on teaching them how to do it safely. That's how everything else in this sport has evolved. Remember "no square canopies with less than 200 jumps? Holy crap! Somebody gets it!It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PiLFy 0 Report post February 1, 2012 Hi, I see your points, & your much higher experience in the sport. You're making the Sex Ed argument that kids have this neat new toy. They're going to play w/them... BUT, they have to have at least tacit approval from the DZO to jump a camera @ <200 jumps. I jump at three different DZs. I'd be confronted by a S&TA very quickly at any of them if I tried jumping a camera. I remember another thread where a student was allowed to jump a GoPro w/the DZO's & his AFFI's blessings (?!) in Hollister. Isn't a DZ like that the rare exception? X number of fatalities in X number of years, & the FAA will shut them down. So, DZOs have a vested interest in not having some Newb bounce trying to get the shot. Yes, things change w/the times. Changing to large square canopies was a safer way of doing things, though. The downsizing is the problem w/that. Big or small, Newbies jumping cameras is never safer. The means to control this behavior are readily available. "Follow the house rules, or jump somewhere else." Or, are there far too many Hollisters out there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 101 Report post February 1, 2012 >So, DZOs have a vested interest in not having some Newb bounce trying to get the shot. And more importantly, skydivers have a vested interest in not being killed by a newb trying to get the shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Create an account or sign in to comment You need to be a member in order to leave a comment Create an account Sign up for a new account. It's free! Register a new account Sign in Already have an account? Sign in here. Sign In Now 0 Go To Topic Listing Safety and Training
VideoFly 0 Report post January 31, 2012 Quote6) While in the pattern you fly with your camera pointed at your friend's canopy. 6b) You and your fellow camera flyer spiral around each other at 300 feet in the landing pattern because you think it adds a cool shot to your tandem video. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SansSuit 0 Report post January 31, 2012 QuoteMeh...Wear extra cloths & have at it. Winter jumping is FUN . Or you can go the other route and wear less clothing. Peace, -Dawson. http://www.SansSuit.com The Society for the Advancement of Naked Skydiving Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobbik 0 Report post January 31, 2012 I think i like extra cloths in winter :) as for the camers, when i started thinking about jumping i started to look at different camera mounts options etc... (i love photography and i make part of my living doing product shots)...but didnt even occurred to me how dangerous it can be to a newbie, and that it will take a lot of time and experience before one can strap gopro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobbik 0 Report post January 31, 2012 hahaha Jeff, I thought you were joking...then i visited the SANS site. the plane ride must be interesting ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 0 Report post January 31, 2012 QuoteI think i like extra cloths in winter :) as for the camers, when i started thinking about jumping i started to look at different camera mounts options etc... (i love photography and i make part of my living doing product shots)...but didnt even occurred to me how dangerous it can be to a newbie, and that it will take a lot of time and experience before one can strap gopro. My hat is off to you. Thanks on behalf of yourself and others. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dean358 0 Report post January 31, 2012 Quote 2) A lot of your videos from doing POV bigway video are of excellent funnels. You are positive you're not contributing to them but they always seem to happen near you. Wait! This happens to me now. Does that mean I should start jumping with a camera? www.wci.nyc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 0 Report post February 1, 2012 QuoteQuote 2) A lot of your videos from doing POV bigway video are of excellent funnels. You are positive you're not contributing to them but they always seem to happen near you. Wait! This happens to me now. Does that mean I should start jumping with a camera? Absolutely!! Please post your asome videos... Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpreil 0 Report post February 1, 2012 Great list, but you are fighting a losing battle against technology, stupidity, and the great world of social media. 20 years ago "jumping a camera" involved a helmet with 40 pounds of gear. We didn't need rules, only truly dedicated masochists got into camera work. Then Handicams, 8 mm, miniDV, etc. and cameras are down to a pound or two. Today it's the GoPro. Fight it all you want, the next step will be a clip on device the size of a coin sending data wirelessly to a receiver in your pocket. It's not 5-10 years away, it's possible now - there just isn't a big enough market yet. Wait for the next Facebook - "MeTube: All my life, on the Internet, all the time!" - and you won't be able to tell people they can't have their camera on all the time. How do you regulate that? I think it is (sadly) unavoidable that focusing on the dive and ignoring the camera will move from common sense to BSRs to part of the FJC in the next few years. So maybe instead of telling newbies they're not allowed to jump cameras, we work on teaching them how to do it safely. That's how everything else in this sport has evolved. Remember "no square canopies with less than 200 jumps? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinciflies 0 Report post February 1, 2012 QuoteGreat list, but you are fighting a losing battle against technology, stupidity, and the great world of social media. 20 years ago "jumping a camera" involved a helmet with 40 pounds of gear. We didn't need rules, only truly dedicated masochists got into camera work. Then Handicams, 8 mm, miniDV, etc. and cameras are down to a pound or two. Today it's the GoPro. Fight it all you want, the next step will be a clip on device the size of a coin sending data wirelessly to a receiver in your pocket. It's not 5-10 years away, it's possible now - there just isn't a big enough market yet. Wait for the next Facebook - "MeTube: All my life, on the Internet, all the time!" - and you won't be able to tell people they can't have their camera on all the time. How do you regulate that? I think it is (sadly) unavoidable that focusing on the dive and ignoring the camera will move from common sense to BSRs to part of the FJC in the next few years. So maybe instead of telling newbies they're not allowed to jump cameras, we work on teaching them how to do it safely. That's how everything else in this sport has evolved. Remember "no square canopies with less than 200 jumps? That's a fucking good post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jono 0 Report post February 1, 2012 Quote 20 years ago "jumping a camera" involved a helmet with 40 pounds of gear. We didn't need rules, only truly dedicated masochists got into camera work. Then Handicams, 8 mm, miniDV, etc. and cameras are down to a pound or two. Today it's the GoPro. Fight it all you want, the next step will be a clip on device the size of a coin sending data wirelessly to a receiver in your pocket. It's not 5-10 years away, it's possible now.... /Quote Check it out> HD recording sunglasses. You can get goggles as well.Remember you don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop laughing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sacex250 0 Report post February 1, 2012 QuoteI think it is (sadly) unavoidable that focusing on the dive and ignoring the camera will move from common sense to BSRs to part of the FJC in the next few years. So maybe instead of telling newbies they're not allowed to jump cameras, we work on teaching them how to do it safely. That's how everything else in this sport has evolved. Remember "no square canopies with less than 200 jumps? Holy crap! Somebody gets it!It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PiLFy 0 Report post February 1, 2012 Hi, I see your points, & your much higher experience in the sport. You're making the Sex Ed argument that kids have this neat new toy. They're going to play w/them... BUT, they have to have at least tacit approval from the DZO to jump a camera @ <200 jumps. I jump at three different DZs. I'd be confronted by a S&TA very quickly at any of them if I tried jumping a camera. I remember another thread where a student was allowed to jump a GoPro w/the DZO's & his AFFI's blessings (?!) in Hollister. Isn't a DZ like that the rare exception? X number of fatalities in X number of years, & the FAA will shut them down. So, DZOs have a vested interest in not having some Newb bounce trying to get the shot. Yes, things change w/the times. Changing to large square canopies was a safer way of doing things, though. The downsizing is the problem w/that. Big or small, Newbies jumping cameras is never safer. The means to control this behavior are readily available. "Follow the house rules, or jump somewhere else." Or, are there far too many Hollisters out there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 101 Report post February 1, 2012 >So, DZOs have a vested interest in not having some Newb bounce trying to get the shot. And more importantly, skydivers have a vested interest in not being killed by a newb trying to get the shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Create an account or sign in to comment You need to be a member in order to leave a comment Create an account Sign up for a new account. It's free! Register a new account Sign in Already have an account? Sign in here. Sign In Now 0 Go To Topic Listing Safety and Training
sacex250 0 Report post February 1, 2012 QuoteI think it is (sadly) unavoidable that focusing on the dive and ignoring the camera will move from common sense to BSRs to part of the FJC in the next few years. So maybe instead of telling newbies they're not allowed to jump cameras, we work on teaching them how to do it safely. That's how everything else in this sport has evolved. Remember "no square canopies with less than 200 jumps? Holy crap! Somebody gets it!It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 0 Report post February 1, 2012 Hi, I see your points, & your much higher experience in the sport. You're making the Sex Ed argument that kids have this neat new toy. They're going to play w/them... BUT, they have to have at least tacit approval from the DZO to jump a camera @ <200 jumps. I jump at three different DZs. I'd be confronted by a S&TA very quickly at any of them if I tried jumping a camera. I remember another thread where a student was allowed to jump a GoPro w/the DZO's & his AFFI's blessings (?!) in Hollister. Isn't a DZ like that the rare exception? X number of fatalities in X number of years, & the FAA will shut them down. So, DZOs have a vested interest in not having some Newb bounce trying to get the shot. Yes, things change w/the times. Changing to large square canopies was a safer way of doing things, though. The downsizing is the problem w/that. Big or small, Newbies jumping cameras is never safer. The means to control this behavior are readily available. "Follow the house rules, or jump somewhere else." Or, are there far too many Hollisters out there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 101 Report post February 1, 2012 >So, DZOs have a vested interest in not having some Newb bounce trying to get the shot. And more importantly, skydivers have a vested interest in not being killed by a newb trying to get the shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
