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I don't know, but is that guy behind him in the plane holding a machine gun? :o



Skydive Perris does a lot of training for the military. The guy in the background is one of those people. The training includes jumping with all the equipment that will be needed when doing a real military jump.
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>Its pretty accepted in risk theory that exposure time to risk is a relevant factor to
>consider when making decisions.

True. Come to think of it, we could take the reserves out of the rigs we use for first time jumpers. Lower exposure time = less risk, and let's face it, those mains are pretty reliable. (And wouldn't it be nice to not have to teach, or worry about, a main/reserve entanglement?)

If they continue in the sport, we could give em a rig with a reserve, since the odds of them having a mal go up.

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So to paraphrase you in another thread:

"Why would you want your hobby to be a ticking time bomb (sooner or later kind of thing)."

Are you going to heed your own advise or not. It makes absolutely no sense on any jump. Fine it is one of the names in the sport, but what kind of example is that setting to those who are up and coming?


whatcha talkin bout willis???

I am just disagreeing with NWflyer and pointing out her lack of reasonable thinking because it is so fun to disagree with somebody who will no matter what you say disagree with you.



If you are going to go against NWflyer on "reasonable thinking" I'll take NWflyer and give you 10 points. B|

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So to paraphrase you in another thread:

"Why would you want your hobby to be a ticking time bomb (sooner or later kind of thing)."

Are you going to heed your own advise or not. It makes absolutely no sense on any jump. Fine it is one of the names in the sport, but what kind of example is that setting to those who are up and coming?


whatcha talkin bout willis???

I am just disagreeing with NWflyer and pointing out her lack of reasonable thinking because it is so fun to disagree with somebody who will no matter what you say disagree with you.



If you are going to go against NWflyer on "reasonable thinking" I'll take NWflyer and give you 10 points. B|

Sparky



I will join ya on that bet!

Beer and popcorn?

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So to paraphrase you in another thread:

"Why would you want your hobby to be a ticking time bomb (sooner or later kind of thing)."

Are you going to heed your own advise or not. It makes absolutely no sense on any jump. Fine it is one of the names in the sport, but what kind of example is that setting to those who are up and coming?


whatcha talkin bout willis???

I am just disagreeing with NWflyer and pointing out her lack of reasonable thinking because it is so fun to disagree with somebody who will no matter what you say disagree with you.



If you are going to go against NWflyer on "reasonable thinking" I'll take NWflyer and give you 10 points. B|

Sparky



I will join ya on that bet!

Beer Gray Goose and popcorn?

Matt



FIFY

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So to paraphrase you in another thread:

"Why would you want your hobby to be a ticking time bomb (sooner or later kind of thing)."

Are you going to heed your own advise or not. It makes absolutely no sense on any jump. Fine it is one of the names in the sport, but what kind of example is that setting to those who are up and coming?


whatcha talkin bout willis???

I am just disagreeing with NWflyer and pointing out her lack of reasonable thinking because it is so fun to disagree with somebody who will no matter what you say disagree with you.



If you are going to go against NWflyer on "reasonable thinking" I'll take NWflyer and give you 10 points. B|

Sparky



I will join ya on that bet!

Beer Gray Goose and popcorn?

Matt



FIFY

Sparky



Seems reasonable.

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This is the original factory mod to the suit, and how the handles worked in that mod. Perhaps doing away with access altogether is the thought in the instance shown in the OP's question.



Just curious, not a wingsuiter or anything. How hard would it be to get to the handles under the zippers (unzip the wing)?

What effect would this have on the wing in flight?
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Imagine yourself spinning violently after a problematic deployment. Maybe you're even a bad-ass and you've taken it to 2K before deploying. Rather than gripping a handle that you're familiar with, you have to find the zipper tab and pull it fairly well down, then reach inside a potentially tensioned suit with a definitely pressurized wing, and find a cutaway handle. Maybe you have an RSL or Skyhook, maybe you don't. Without those, you're going to need to unzip the other zipper too, and gain access to the reserve ripcord.
All while experiencing an increase in rotational speed.
It has worked in the past.

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Imagine yourself spinning violently after a problematic deployment. Maybe you're even a bad-ass and you've taken it to 2K before deploying. Rather than gripping a handle that you're familiar with, you have to find the zipper tab and pull it fairly well down, then reach inside a potentially tensioned suit with a definitely pressurized wing, and find a cutaway handle. Maybe you have an RSL or Skyhook, maybe you don't. Without those, you're going to need to unzip the other zipper too, and gain access to the reserve ripcord.
All while experiencing an increase in rotational speed.
It has worked in the past.



Who was that bad ass?:o

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knowing how skydivers and basejumpers use and cross use their gear - especially the expensive bits.....I'm a bit surprised that a wing suit is offered that would have no access in the design. A warning label on usage does not equal safety, only very thin legal coverage.

Tell you what though. I'll leave that question to the wingsuiters and the builders. It's not my area.

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This is the original factory mod to the suit, and how the handles worked in that mod. Perhaps doing away with access altogether is the thought in the instance shown in the OP's question.



Or perhaps the designer should re-think the mod entirely. Fixing a bad design with a bad idea is...well...bad.
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Looks like someone is counting on his main opening with out issue...



Or on 10K boxes.:)


no Jeb has already said that he never wanted to do what Gary did, he always wanted to land at "wingsuit terminal"

:D



That is exactly what Gary did……..land a wing suit at terminal. Anything Jeb does now will second best…..and second is first loser.

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This is the original factory mod to the suit, and how the handles worked in that mod. Perhaps doing away with access altogether is the thought in the instance shown in the OP's question.



Or perhaps the designer should re-think the mod entirely. Fixing a bad design with a bad idea is...well...bad.




With the tests done by DSE out in Socal, it seems that the safest option on this suit may be to not have the factory mod installed if using it for skydiving. The pull forces that were measured in those tests would more than likely require the mod handles to be abandoned and the suit to be unzipped anyway so that the normal handles could be pulled. If you are going to have to unzip it anyway, may as well get rid of the extra material and rapide links that would be in the way.

Not saying it is a good idea to jump the suit with skydiving gear (at least until an acceptable solution is in place) but if you are going to jump it, this would almost seem like the safer option...What do you think DSE?

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This is the original factory mod to the suit, and how the handles worked in that mod. Perhaps doing away with access altogether is the thought in the instance shown in the OP's question.



Or perhaps the designer should re-think the mod entirely. Fixing a bad design with a bad idea is...well...bad.




With the tests done by DSE out in Socal, it seems that the safest option on this suit may be to not have the factory mod installed if using it for skydiving. The pull forces that were measured in those tests would more than likely require the mod handles to be abandoned and the suit to be unzipped anyway so that the normal handles could be pulled. If you are going to have to unzip it anyway, may as well get rid of the extra material and rapide links that would be in the way.

Not saying it is a good idea to jump the suit with skydiving gear (at least until an acceptable solution is in place) but if you are going to jump it, this would almost seem like the safer option...What do you think DSE?



Actually the safest option would be to only jump suits that work properly for the application.
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