Bluhdow 31 #51 October 1, 2012 "Registered: Sep 17, 2012 Posts: 57" 14 days on DZ.com and you're up to 57 posts? This time next year you'll be up to almost 1500, and everyone will hate you.Apex BASE #1816 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #52 October 1, 2012 Quote"Registered: Sep 17, 2012 Posts: 57" 14 days on DZ.com and you're up to 57 posts? This time next year you'll be up to almost 1500, and everyone will hate you. People may disagree with him but I doubt they will hate him. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jhh166 0 #53 October 1, 2012 I hate your type. The kind to make assumptions on scene and act like your actions are solely for yourself. I was in a live tissue course where we would be presented with a pig or goat that was shot with multiple shotgun rounds (8 to 10), 9mm rounds and mass blunt force trauma. I could not tell if it was a goat or a pig for the first hr or so. We keeped that goat alive for four hrs untill the simulated medevac came. Your are not a Dr and you can't declare anyone dead. Do your job and shut your mouth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linebckr83 3 #54 October 1, 2012 Quote I love my pup more than I love most people lol. Lol you dont say? "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #55 October 1, 2012 QuoteReally.... Try telling that to this guy ... Or maybe "Dead Mike". ...Anyone else here remember him, from the right on the runway FRAP at WFFC, or have a link to his page / info also perhaps?coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adamhildreth 0 #56 October 1, 2012 Quote Your are not a Dr and you can't declare anyone dead. Do your job and shut your mouth. ^^^This Don't tell anyone to give up, unless you're the person pronouncing them dead!!! What you chose to do based on your own knowledge is your own business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #57 October 2, 2012 I held c spine on dead mike. But I'm not sure he ever lost his pulse. Just couldn't breath very well with his throat/lungs full of teeth. The other guy just before him hit a camper. We did cpr on him when pulseless and got him back. He died at the hospital. In general the OP is right. Blunt force cardiac arrest is usually unrecoverable but there are exceptions. I'll let a doctor tell me to stop.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 26 #58 October 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteReally.... Try telling that to this guy ... Or maybe "Dead Mike". ...Anyone else here remember him, from the right on the runway FRAP at WFFC, or have a link to his page / info also perhaps? Unless there are 2 "Dead Mike"'s out there, he's still jumping in Eloy.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
disastercake 0 #59 October 4, 2012 QuoteI just think that the emotional strain on skydivers losing friends can be reduced through education. Because knowing that everything possible was done to save their friend (even if it was in vain) is somehow MORE traumatic than wondering there might have been the tiniest chance the outcome might have been different if someone had responded immediately? Most EMT courses that I am aware of teach that there is a human/emotional side to every scene, and sometimes you do CPR or load and go with someone you know was DOA just for the family's piece of mind. So they can go to bed at night knowing that everything possible was done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g-bomb 0 #60 October 10, 2012 as an MD anesthesiologist, ACLS instructor and a member of the team that saved 1 skydiver in the field I wanted to say: You sir are an idiot. To anyone else who is interested in learning rescusitation - let me know and I'll be happy to call, email, post whatever. Please do not pay attention to this guy. Thanks One thing you can remember: you cannot hurt anyone by doing CPR. Do it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 26 #61 October 10, 2012 Quoteas an MD anesthesiologist, ACLS instructor and a member of the team that saved 1 skydiver in the field I wanted to say: You sir are an idiot. To anyone else who is interested in learning rescusitation - let me know and I'll be happy to call, email, post whatever. Please do not pay attention to this guy. Thanks One thing you can remember: you cannot hurt anyone by doing CPR. Do it! Thank you.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 26 #62 October 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteReally.... Try telling that to this guy ... Or maybe "Dead Mike". ...Anyone else here remember him, from the right on the runway FRAP at WFFC, or have a link to his page / info also perhaps? Unless there are 2 "Dead Mike"'s out there, he's still jumping in Eloy. Correction... There are in deed 2 (at least) Dead Mikes. The one here is not the same guy.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingPortagee 0 #63 October 11, 2012 G-Bomb, Why are EMT's tought not to ? Ive asked a few medics, docs, and nurses and actually got alot of different responses which kind of scares me. I can't find any supporting documentaion to support my argument or yours. Can you help me ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g-bomb 0 #64 October 11, 2012 Well, I got some interest over PMs regarding this issue, so I'll give my opinion, bearing in mind that they are plentiful at DZ.com. As to the source where different individuals get these "DNR" ideas, I'll tell you in detail: I don't know. I can only guess that the idea is: blunt force = ruptured big blood vessels in the chest = CPR will only bleed the victim out faster = No CPR. However, in this particular case doing CPR is NO WORSE than staring at them and doing nothing. Why don't OP enlighten us about pathophysiology of blunt force trauma? ... On the second thought, Let's not. As far as American Heart Association goes - unresponsive people deserve CPR until they regain consciousness and care is escalated to get EMT, ambulance etc. One caveat - unresponsive guy on the couch Sunday morning in the hangar is not a CPR candidate, but rather need an "intervention" of the AA kind. One cannot judge from the outside +/- mechanism of injury if a victim can be resuscitated or not, but there aren't much alternatives. The newest AHA algorithms are simpler - not responsive and no spontaneous respiration - CPR. Once they wake up (ROSC - return of spontaneous circulation, evidenced by breathing, moving and/or swearing) they can be graduated to post-resuscitation care. A word for people who had CPR class more than 4 yrs ago - the new guidelines allow for chest compression-only CPR if the provider is unable or unwilling to give rescue breaths. This was done because the lungs of the victim are usually full of oxygen that needs to be circulated with aid of compressions (unless it is a suffocation/drowning). Also, compression-only CPR is better than no CPR because bystander is too afraid to give rescue breaths. Additionally, uninterrupted chest compressions are shown superior because it takes several cycles of CPR to develop adequate pressure/blood flow and all this ground is lost with the smallest interruption in compressions. The compression rate is 100/min, with a useful memorization device being songs "another one bites the dust", or for the folks that jumped Capwells "staying alive" by Bee Gees. Please refrain from humming either during CPR, thoughDo not interrupt CPR for pulse checks as it wastes time. If DZ has an AED-defibrillator - use it. Some units can give cadence for CPR and feedback on compressions as well as possibly treat arrhythmia by shock. Call for help - soon. In my resuscitative effort at a boogie, someone was on the phone immediately to get help. Be aware of possible neck/back injury. Do not move the victim to take the rig/suit off unless absolutely necessary for CPR. Fear that EMTs will cut the rig/suit does not qualify, sorry. I wouldn't write this, but my own experience shows this is a prevalent issue. Finally, next safety day - have DZO organize a BLS class. Invite an EMT or ACLS instructor. Figure out what will be the course of action if something happen. I hope to never be in a situation where anyone I fly with needs my professional help. But those around me can count on this help being there if need be. How about you? Please ask questions, come by Skydive Monroe to chat, etc. D-31171 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingPortagee 0 #65 October 11, 2012 "I can only guess that the idea is: blunt force = ruptured big blood vessels in the chest = CPR will only bleed the victim out faster = No CPR. " good point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g-bomb 0 #66 October 12, 2012 Here is a treat from my twin brother (also a physician) who thinks CPR is a good Idea. And this video officially is in my top 3! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILxjxfB4zNk Someone please make clicky! or tell me how Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #67 October 12, 2012 QuoteHere is a treat from my twin brother (also a physician) who thinks CPR is a good Idea. And this video officially is in my top 3! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILxjxfB4zNk Someone please make clicky! or tell me how Clicky SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cdhezel 0 #68 October 13, 2012 not sure if you've been on the DZ during an incident before. I have been on several different ones for deaths or serious injuries please do not come to the DZ I am jumping at When I go, I want to pass away in my sleep, just like my dear old Grandmother, NOT screaming like the passengers in the car she was driving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
