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How long was your first jump course?

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Just curious as to how long the average first jump course is. My FJC was at a DZ that taught AFF and Static line, and was approximately 6 hours for all of us in a combined class, and then we split up for exit training. The AFF student (me) received at least an additional hour of ground prep. Class size was small (3 static line, one AFF) and even years later with plenty of jumps under my belt and having participated in many FJC's, I believe that I received excellent training.

How about you? After much experience and seeing other FJC's...do you look back and believe that your training was sufficient?
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1/2 hour in the DZ trailer with crazy, hippie gun-toting instructor/jumpmaster, a bunch of PLFs off the platform, and off to the Cessna 180 with no door for a 2800 ft. static line jump. However, that was 1971 in Texas. I hear that current techniques may have improved on that.;)

Kevin K.

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1/2 hour in the DZ trailer with crazy, hippie gun-toting instructor/jumpmaster, a bunch of PLFs off the platform, and off to the Cessna 180 with no door for a 2800 ft. static line jump. However, that was 1971 in Texas. I hear that current techniques may have improved on that.;)

Kevin K.



Funny, I don't remember seeing you in my last FJC..... :-)
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I've seen a number of instructors who teach a FJC in 4 hours, both S/L and AFF methods... The end results have always produced less then stellar students, many of them fail at basic understanding of what to do, from climb out to EP's to canopy control and they always need additional time in review or retraining in some areas.

In some cases however you might find your teaching a returning jumper or a pilot who has some understanding of flight and they are the only person in class, this can allow for a quick moving class time.

In most cases a normal FJC (where I trained) was 10 to 20 in class each day for SL, there is no way in hell you can properly train that many people in 4 hours or even 6, 8 min if your lucky... with smaller class sizes 3-8 people, an 8 hour class can be done, with extra 2 hours for anyone in AFF.

You can tell the difference in the skydiving part with a student who was trained in great detail vs a quickie class, the first one always dose better over all.
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1/2 hour in the DZ trailer with crazy, hippie gun-toting instructor/jumpmaster, a bunch of PLFs off the platform, and off to the Cessna 180 with no door for a 2800 ft. static line jump. However, that was 1971 in Texas. I hear that current techniques may have improved on that.;)

Kevin K.



The planes got bigger and the instructors got smaller! ;)










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Mine was 3 weeks as well!!

The first jump course I took for skydiving was about 20 hours. M-F from 6-10PM, with one night dedicated solely to packing. Every student packed for themselves, from the very first jump.
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Me:
AFF FJC 6 hrs +/- depending on how fast they pick it up...average class 2-3.

So far I haven't had any injuries although that's probably more luck than skill seeing as how some people just insist on landing on their butt or landing with no flare no matter how much PLF/landing training and repetitions you put them through.
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The time it takes to train a static line class varies for me, depending on class size and if I have any problem students. I'd say my FJC for s/l is about 5 hours, and included individual practice of exits, arches, EP's and PLF's, so I feel it's pretty complete. Some former instructors taught faster than I do, but one in particular, I remember, skipped the PLF's.:S

Once I taught my brother-in-law, Vskydiver's brother, the s/l FJC in 90 minutes. He was very athletic and a quick learner. I put him thru the entire class, didn't leave anything out. I was really surprised when I looked at the clock and saw how little time it took. He did great, BTW. :)
I guess I have to say I don't teach to the clock, I teach to the student.

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Yes, i belive you must have a door on the plane today :P



I don't think a door is necessary. I have recently jumped a 182 that didn't have a right door at all.

You are correct. You simply have to have a plane that is certified for flight with the door off. In fact, adding a jump door requires more paperwork with the FAA. ;)

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excellent !!!!
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mine???

2 nights...a total of 6 hours or so.
28 college students who had just watched Masters of the Sky
reported as ordered, on a thurs. evening and a friday evening.. The DZO took the $$$$$$ ( 50 bucks each) the very FIRST thing...:P;) hahahahah
then we all went through the static line 1st jump course... some came back on saturday to make the jump, some didn't...

i did and to quote Robert Frost, " THAT has made all the difference":)
jt

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Just curious as to how long the average first jump course is. My FJC was at a DZ that taught AFF and Static line, and was approximately 6 hours for all of us in a combined class, and then we split up for exit training. The AFF student (me) received at least an additional hour of ground prep. Class size was small (3 static line, one AFF) and even years later with plenty of jumps under my belt and having participated in many FJC's, I believe that I received excellent training.

How about you? After much experience and seeing other FJC's...do you look back and believe that your training was sufficient?



mine was about five, i think anything longer than 6 and the student would be overloaded with information and would not like to continue with learning anymore
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1/2 hour in the DZ trailer with crazy, hippie gun-toting instructor/jumpmaster, a bunch of PLFs off the platform, and off to the Cessna 180 with no door for a 2800 ft. static line jump. However, that was 1971 in Texas. I hear that current techniques may have improved on that.;)

Kevin K.



You weren't on your way to the Mexico boarder with a bunch of friends in a old beat up sedan... trying to talk them out of dodging the draft while you were going through ROTC were you ;)... Looking for "Proof"...?

(Before there was "Fandango"... there was "Proof")
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Once I taught my brother-in-law, Vskydiver's brother, the s/l FJC in 90 minutes. He was very athletic and a quick learner. I put him thru the entire class, didn't leave anything out. I was really surprised when I looked at the clock and saw how little time it took. He did great, BTW. :)
I guess I have to say I don't teach to the clock, I teach to the student.




Same here...I once taught two Air Force guys in 90 minutes.

They had on their own, studied all kinds of information prior to the class, were very smart and athletic...they even taught ME a few things! B|










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Hi terri,

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After much experience and seeing other FJC's...do you look back and believe that your training was sufficient?



Yup; in Feb '64 mine was ~ 3-4 hrs and most of that time was doing those @%#@ PLF's. But they did save my keester when that ground starting coming up at me. It seems to come up a lot faster the closer you get. B|

JerryBaumchen

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I did a static line, so it was shorter than the AFF First Jump Course. Actually we attended the AFF class, but were dismissed when they got to the practice pulls, arch practice and exit routine.

We were done and watching the AFF students head to the plane.
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When I learned, my FJC was 8 hours over two days.

When I teach, I have never taught one that took less than 5 hours. 6 hours is normal, and I have had some that take 8. It depends on the student. One of my biggest challenges was a student that was completely illiterate, but wouldn't admit it. It turned out he could not read a single word. It took me 7 hours to figure it out...

My fellow instructors tell me I teach a very good course. I usually start at 8am and finish around 2.

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