ShcShc11 0 #76 May 25, 2012 Quite honestly the scariest thing I ever saw Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 54 #77 May 25, 2012 Video was taken down, but other poster put it here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/tmh024 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #78 May 25, 2012 QuoteVideo was taken down, but other poster put it here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/tmh024 Thank goodness the youtube video is taken down. Would scare potential students imo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #79 May 25, 2012 Quote So I guess it was ok for Dause to have an unrated TI on the payroll take a tandem passenger up in an aircraft that didn't receive mandatory inspections without belting her in for takeoff? Yeah, ol' Billy sure runs a tight ship alright. New gear or not, IMO Lodi is an ongoing nightmare waiting to happen. The unrated TI almost proved it. Where do you get that the TI was unrated? From the comments above he had his rating pulled after this event. There are other comments that he was not a USPA rated TI, but since The Parachute Centre is not a USPA DZ that is irrelevant. There is plenty to criticize here, but try not to make stuff up. Why not point to all the tandem fatalities that have occurred there over the last 30 years. It is a very high volume DZ so the odds must have caught up to them several times by now. Haven't they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bclark 0 #80 May 25, 2012 Don't use this link unless you want your browser hijacked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dqpacker 7 #81 May 25, 2012 QuoteQuoteVideo was taken down, but other poster put it here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/tmh024 Thank goodness the youtube video is taken down. Would scare potential students imo. quit typing and just read. that video needs to be shown to everyone. reloaded to utube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ea6_4UXR40&feature=share Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbnote 0 #82 May 25, 2012 QuoteQuoteI am truly amazed that people pull off stunts like these in suehappy america.... Note to all in Cali - waivers won't cover "gross negligence," which is "an extreme departure from the ordinary standard of conduct." While I'm no tandem master, I think that a woman falling ass first out of a harness ON EXIT shows a pretty extreme departure. If something worse had happened, that video... ------------------------------------------------------------- I beg to differ, every waiver I have ever signed at my home DZ or while traveling has the "gross negligence" clause in it. Search google for "tandem waiver" just to see a few generic ones and you'll find the clause in there. I've even signed a waiver that stated I would not sue the DZ/DZO etc. in the event of "Extreme Gross Negligence" which I found somewhat amusing. I am IN NO WAY defending ANY of what is on the video. Nor am I saying that the waiver would necessarily hold up in court. Any law student could punch holes in nearly all our waivers if they were paid well enough to do so. The U.S. is far too eager to sue, that's undeniable. Sometimes, it's justified, other times it isn't. Had this tandem ended up turning into a fatality (which we all agree came within a hair's breadth of doing so) then it would have been a clear case of "Gross Negligence" - at least from my non-legalese point of view. BTW - Laverne looks a bit like a dude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #83 May 25, 2012 QuoteQuoteIs Mullins similarly maligned? By some yes, but Mike is also a member of USPA. Bill is not. Huge difference. Your personal opinion of the GM program has no bearing on this situation. Sparky Ah, I didn't realize Dause was no longer an individual member either. That said, I don't see how your personal opinion of Craig's allegiance to Bill has any bearing on this tandem jump. Craig may or may not be a lackey, and I don't really care either way. While I'll agree that if Bill is not a member, he should have no say in USPA activities, if Craig agrees with him, he's no worse than any of the other DZO's who are running this trade organization. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #84 May 25, 2012 QuoteQuoteVideo was taken down, but other poster put it here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/tmh024 Thank goodness the youtube video is taken down. Would scare potential students imo. What's wrong with letting them make informed decisions? A very small fraction of instructors really are that bad, and I can't think of a good reason to hide that from prospective students. The trick is putting it in perspective. That can be difficult on youtube, where the 1% of bad videos get 1000 times more views than the 99% of non-descript Tom Petty tandem videos. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites agentsmith413 0 #85 May 25, 2012 I've been pretty desensitized thanks to the Internet over the years but this video fills me with all types of emotion. How someone can be so careless about an obviously scared tandem student to the point of almost killing them sickens me. This is the first video in a long time that has actually scared me and has been permanently been embedded in my head. I certainly have mixed emotions about whether or not it's a good thing this is on the Internet. It could be good for new and experienced tandem instructors alike but could definitely scare new students away. I don't feel bad for the TI at all and think he deserves to never skydive again no matter what kind of jump it is. He had a complete disregard for safety and compromised the integrity of this sport which we all love. I hope all TI's can learn from this idiot's major fuck up and something like this never happens again.Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, all used up, and loudly proclaiming: Wow, what a ride! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 6 #86 May 25, 2012 Just when ya think you've idiot proofed something...along comes a better idiot! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nigel99 143 #87 May 25, 2012 Shit, seeing pic 1 It ias a miracle that she stayed in. Think she has joined Bill Cole and Travis as a chuteless jumper!Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hellis 0 #88 May 25, 2012 80 years old. 1 jump. And gets about as much attention as Garry when he lands a wingsuit. I agree, looking at pic 1 is really disturbing. But what strap is it that is dangeling at the shot when she is walking towards the plane? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stratostar 5 #89 May 25, 2012 Ya know, I've seen a lot of in air rigging being done before, but I'll be damn if I've ever seen anyone try in an air harnessing of a student act........Now we can see why that never really took off as the "in thing" in student progressions. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #90 May 25, 2012 Quote But what strap is it that is dangeling at the shot when she is walking towards the plane? Tough to be sure, but I think it's her backstrap. If so, it looks like it's below her butt, which would facilitate this sort of problem (exiting between the backstrap and the backpad). Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stratostar 5 #91 May 25, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Media has it now.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.htmlyou can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rstanley0312 0 #92 May 25, 2012 Quote http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Media has it now.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Great.... The BPA sure seems quick to say "this does not happen in the UK". This is just sad. Horrible for the sport!Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites agentsmith413 0 #93 May 25, 2012 just seeing the pictures really pisses me off. I can't even watch this again because it infuriates me that someone could be so thoughtless and careless.Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, all used up, and loudly proclaiming: Wow, what a ride! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cpoxon 0 #94 May 25, 2012 Quote Quote http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Media has it now.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Great.... The BPA sure seems quick to say "this does not happen in the UK". This is just sad. Horrible for the sport! What do you mean by quick? The BPA didn't solicit this interview. Neither is it the first quote (not that the 'reporter' couldn't have reordered the quotes. Plus he didn't say "this does not happen" he said there had never been a similar incident (which is true, and before anyone says it, yes, of course we do less tandems than the US, ~ 30,000 p.a.) What should he say, that he didn't?Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rstanley0312 0 #95 May 25, 2012 Quote Quote Quote http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Media has it now.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Great.... The BPA sure seems quick to say "this does not happen in the UK". This is just sad. Horrible for the sport! What do you mean by quick? The BPA didn't solicit this interview. Neither is it the first quote (not that the 'reporter' couldn't have reordered the quotes. Plus he didn't say "this does not happen" he said there had never been a similar incident (which is true, and before anyone says it, yes, of course we do less tandems than the US, ~ 30,000 p.a.) What should he say, that he didn't? Sorry.... translation loss in typing... what I meant by that was they quickly said this has not happened in the UK and pointed out it has happened here before (similar anyway) not faulting him for those quotes.... I would have said the same thing. I meant that he was quick and rightfully so to try and protect skydiving in his country. My bad!Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airsport 0 #96 May 25, 2012 I'm numb... Most amazing monumental screw up.... So unbelievable she wasn't tossed out of the harness during the spin or opening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites feuergnom 22 #97 May 25, 2012 for all those not following the other thread: i have been told that this vid was shown a skydive expo at the instructors meeting. attendants were told not to film it off the screen cause nobody wanted it to end up on youtube... and yes, tjhis video is a year old... my bottom line: the whole things starts with sloppy initial training of tandem "instructors" - the whole instrucor thing uspa implemented is pretty worthless if something like this is actually happening. better to have a handpicked tandem-master that a jerk like that with an "I"-rating next: even with the best initial training no I/E will change DZ-culture. If its cool and normal for longtime Joe Cool-"TI"s to board the plane with dangling harnesses and ride all the way up just to fasten everything up a minute before exit - well there your good intentions go out the door... and I know what I have been seeing the last ten years all over the place. And I am more than lucky to have the opposite attitude hammered into my head... someone mentioned the y-mod: as much as I disliked having to use it I see why it was put into place: to protect unknowing students/passengers from the average droguechucking imbecile do I have a suggestion how this could be solved? I know you won't like it: it's unannounced controls by the manufacturers of tandem gear if their rules are followed ( can anybody spell ramp-check?) - you are boarding the plane with a pax noit jumpready: There goes your rating... end of discussion, cause that is where the cash comes into the dz.The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cpoxon 0 #98 May 25, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Media has it now.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Great.... The BPA sure seems quick to say "this does not happen in the UK". This is just sad. Horrible for the sport! What do you mean by quick? The BPA didn't solicit this interview. Neither is it the first quote (not that the 'reporter' couldn't have reordered the quotes. Plus he didn't say "this does not happen" he said there had never been a similar incident (which is true, and before anyone says it, yes, of course we do less tandems than the US, ~ 30,000 p.a.) What should he say, that he didn't? Sorry.... translation loss in typing... what I meant by that was they quickly said this has not happened in the UK and pointed out it has happened here before (similar anyway) not faulting him for those quotes.... I would have said the same thing. I meant that he was quick and rightfully so to try and protect skydiving in his country. My bad! Cool. My over defensive mind read it another way. This is why the video didn't need to be public. Putting unnecessary fear into the public. Despite explanation from an expert in the article, the comments clearly demonstrate that large portions of the public don't understand what's being told to them. Plus people will be making money off this video from advertising and traffic to their site. I'm looking forward to doing tandems this weekend Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rstanley0312 0 #99 May 25, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Media has it now.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Great.... The BPA sure seems quick to say "this does not happen in the UK". This is just sad. Horrible for the sport! What do you mean by quick? The BPA didn't solicit this interview. Neither is it the first quote (not that the 'reporter' couldn't have reordered the quotes. Plus he didn't say "this does not happen" he said there had never been a similar incident (which is true, and before anyone says it, yes, of course we do less tandems than the US, ~ 30,000 p.a.) What should he say, that he didn't? Sorry.... translation loss in typing... what I meant by that was they quickly said this has not happened in the UK and pointed out it has happened here before (similar anyway) not faulting him for those quotes.... I would have said the same thing. I meant that he was quick and rightfully so to try and protect skydiving in his country. My bad! Cool. My over defensive mind read it another way. This is why the video didn't need to be public. Putting unnecessary fear into the public. Despite explanation from an expert in the article, the comments clearly demonstrate that large portions of the public don't understand what's being told to them. Plus people will be making money off this video from advertising and traffic to their site. I'm looking forward to doing tandems this weekend Nah.... I just worded it poorly Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #100 May 25, 2012 It is not proven yet if the T-I was a USPA Rated T-I, it is still being hashed out, the few who say they "Know" say he was NOT a USPA T-I and not actually rated by the Manufacturer either. My point- I do not think USPA bears any blame in this incident. As a former I/E made sure all my Candidates understood- Get on the plane ready to exit! Never rig in flight and never trap your student to you by doubling up on the seat belt. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 4 of 10 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
livendive 8 #83 May 25, 2012 QuoteQuoteIs Mullins similarly maligned? By some yes, but Mike is also a member of USPA. Bill is not. Huge difference. Your personal opinion of the GM program has no bearing on this situation. Sparky Ah, I didn't realize Dause was no longer an individual member either. That said, I don't see how your personal opinion of Craig's allegiance to Bill has any bearing on this tandem jump. Craig may or may not be a lackey, and I don't really care either way. While I'll agree that if Bill is not a member, he should have no say in USPA activities, if Craig agrees with him, he's no worse than any of the other DZO's who are running this trade organization. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #84 May 25, 2012 QuoteQuoteVideo was taken down, but other poster put it here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/tmh024 Thank goodness the youtube video is taken down. Would scare potential students imo. What's wrong with letting them make informed decisions? A very small fraction of instructors really are that bad, and I can't think of a good reason to hide that from prospective students. The trick is putting it in perspective. That can be difficult on youtube, where the 1% of bad videos get 1000 times more views than the 99% of non-descript Tom Petty tandem videos. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
agentsmith413 0 #85 May 25, 2012 I've been pretty desensitized thanks to the Internet over the years but this video fills me with all types of emotion. How someone can be so careless about an obviously scared tandem student to the point of almost killing them sickens me. This is the first video in a long time that has actually scared me and has been permanently been embedded in my head. I certainly have mixed emotions about whether or not it's a good thing this is on the Internet. It could be good for new and experienced tandem instructors alike but could definitely scare new students away. I don't feel bad for the TI at all and think he deserves to never skydive again no matter what kind of jump it is. He had a complete disregard for safety and compromised the integrity of this sport which we all love. I hope all TI's can learn from this idiot's major fuck up and something like this never happens again.Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, all used up, and loudly proclaiming: Wow, what a ride! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #86 May 25, 2012 Just when ya think you've idiot proofed something...along comes a better idiot! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 143 #87 May 25, 2012 Shit, seeing pic 1 It ias a miracle that she stayed in. Think she has joined Bill Cole and Travis as a chuteless jumper!Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #88 May 25, 2012 80 years old. 1 jump. And gets about as much attention as Garry when he lands a wingsuit. I agree, looking at pic 1 is really disturbing. But what strap is it that is dangeling at the shot when she is walking towards the plane? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #89 May 25, 2012 Ya know, I've seen a lot of in air rigging being done before, but I'll be damn if I've ever seen anyone try in an air harnessing of a student act........Now we can see why that never really took off as the "in thing" in student progressions. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #90 May 25, 2012 Quote But what strap is it that is dangeling at the shot when she is walking towards the plane? Tough to be sure, but I think it's her backstrap. If so, it looks like it's below her butt, which would facilitate this sort of problem (exiting between the backstrap and the backpad). Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #91 May 25, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Media has it now.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.htmlyou can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 0 #92 May 25, 2012 Quote http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Media has it now.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Great.... The BPA sure seems quick to say "this does not happen in the UK". This is just sad. Horrible for the sport!Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
agentsmith413 0 #93 May 25, 2012 just seeing the pictures really pisses me off. I can't even watch this again because it infuriates me that someone could be so thoughtless and careless.Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, all used up, and loudly proclaiming: Wow, what a ride! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #94 May 25, 2012 Quote Quote http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Media has it now.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Great.... The BPA sure seems quick to say "this does not happen in the UK". This is just sad. Horrible for the sport! What do you mean by quick? The BPA didn't solicit this interview. Neither is it the first quote (not that the 'reporter' couldn't have reordered the quotes. Plus he didn't say "this does not happen" he said there had never been a similar incident (which is true, and before anyone says it, yes, of course we do less tandems than the US, ~ 30,000 p.a.) What should he say, that he didn't?Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 0 #95 May 25, 2012 Quote Quote Quote http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Media has it now.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Great.... The BPA sure seems quick to say "this does not happen in the UK". This is just sad. Horrible for the sport! What do you mean by quick? The BPA didn't solicit this interview. Neither is it the first quote (not that the 'reporter' couldn't have reordered the quotes. Plus he didn't say "this does not happen" he said there had never been a similar incident (which is true, and before anyone says it, yes, of course we do less tandems than the US, ~ 30,000 p.a.) What should he say, that he didn't? Sorry.... translation loss in typing... what I meant by that was they quickly said this has not happened in the UK and pointed out it has happened here before (similar anyway) not faulting him for those quotes.... I would have said the same thing. I meant that he was quick and rightfully so to try and protect skydiving in his country. My bad!Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airsport 0 #96 May 25, 2012 I'm numb... Most amazing monumental screw up.... So unbelievable she wasn't tossed out of the harness during the spin or opening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 22 #97 May 25, 2012 for all those not following the other thread: i have been told that this vid was shown a skydive expo at the instructors meeting. attendants were told not to film it off the screen cause nobody wanted it to end up on youtube... and yes, tjhis video is a year old... my bottom line: the whole things starts with sloppy initial training of tandem "instructors" - the whole instrucor thing uspa implemented is pretty worthless if something like this is actually happening. better to have a handpicked tandem-master that a jerk like that with an "I"-rating next: even with the best initial training no I/E will change DZ-culture. If its cool and normal for longtime Joe Cool-"TI"s to board the plane with dangling harnesses and ride all the way up just to fasten everything up a minute before exit - well there your good intentions go out the door... and I know what I have been seeing the last ten years all over the place. And I am more than lucky to have the opposite attitude hammered into my head... someone mentioned the y-mod: as much as I disliked having to use it I see why it was put into place: to protect unknowing students/passengers from the average droguechucking imbecile do I have a suggestion how this could be solved? I know you won't like it: it's unannounced controls by the manufacturers of tandem gear if their rules are followed ( can anybody spell ramp-check?) - you are boarding the plane with a pax noit jumpready: There goes your rating... end of discussion, cause that is where the cash comes into the dz.The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #98 May 25, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Media has it now.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Great.... The BPA sure seems quick to say "this does not happen in the UK". This is just sad. Horrible for the sport! What do you mean by quick? The BPA didn't solicit this interview. Neither is it the first quote (not that the 'reporter' couldn't have reordered the quotes. Plus he didn't say "this does not happen" he said there had never been a similar incident (which is true, and before anyone says it, yes, of course we do less tandems than the US, ~ 30,000 p.a.) What should he say, that he didn't? Sorry.... translation loss in typing... what I meant by that was they quickly said this has not happened in the UK and pointed out it has happened here before (similar anyway) not faulting him for those quotes.... I would have said the same thing. I meant that he was quick and rightfully so to try and protect skydiving in his country. My bad! Cool. My over defensive mind read it another way. This is why the video didn't need to be public. Putting unnecessary fear into the public. Despite explanation from an expert in the article, the comments clearly demonstrate that large portions of the public don't understand what's being told to them. Plus people will be making money off this video from advertising and traffic to their site. I'm looking forward to doing tandems this weekend Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 0 #99 May 25, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Media has it now.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149774/If-youre-afraid-skydiving-Pensioner-80-left-hanging-precariously-instructor-refusing-plane-terrifying-tandem-dive.html Great.... The BPA sure seems quick to say "this does not happen in the UK". This is just sad. Horrible for the sport! What do you mean by quick? The BPA didn't solicit this interview. Neither is it the first quote (not that the 'reporter' couldn't have reordered the quotes. Plus he didn't say "this does not happen" he said there had never been a similar incident (which is true, and before anyone says it, yes, of course we do less tandems than the US, ~ 30,000 p.a.) What should he say, that he didn't? Sorry.... translation loss in typing... what I meant by that was they quickly said this has not happened in the UK and pointed out it has happened here before (similar anyway) not faulting him for those quotes.... I would have said the same thing. I meant that he was quick and rightfully so to try and protect skydiving in his country. My bad! Cool. My over defensive mind read it another way. This is why the video didn't need to be public. Putting unnecessary fear into the public. Despite explanation from an expert in the article, the comments clearly demonstrate that large portions of the public don't understand what's being told to them. Plus people will be making money off this video from advertising and traffic to their site. I'm looking forward to doing tandems this weekend Nah.... I just worded it poorly Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #100 May 25, 2012 It is not proven yet if the T-I was a USPA Rated T-I, it is still being hashed out, the few who say they "Know" say he was NOT a USPA T-I and not actually rated by the Manufacturer either. My point- I do not think USPA bears any blame in this incident. As a former I/E made sure all my Candidates understood- Get on the plane ready to exit! Never rig in flight and never trap your student to you by doubling up on the seat belt. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
