sangiro 4 #1 November 8, 2004 Heya all, Welcome to the new Dropzone.com forum for wind tunnel discussions. The purpose of this forum is to discuss tunnel related training and flight techniques and to get information about and discuss feedback on different tunnels across the world. Although we understand that there are a limited number of organizations involved in providing these services, and that their names will be prominent in this forum (not unlike the Wing Suit forum) this is not a place for companies to peddle their wares. The no advertising rule applies here as in all other forums. Tunnel Camps should be posted to the Calendar. Feel free to come back here and tell us about what you learned or give a report on how the camp went. The forum is also not the place for individuals to advertise available tunnel time or open slots. Please use the Classifieds for that. By sticking to these simple guidelines you can help ensure that this becomes a useful resource about tunnel flight and is not over-run by promotions and advertising. SkymonkeyONE is in da house! Have fun! Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #2 November 9, 2004 While there may be people out there with more time in the cone than I have, our desire to keep our moderator pool as small as possible lands me here keeping this forum in check. Just as a matter of reference though, I have accumulated 254 hours of tunnel time, all of it in the military tunnel on Fort Bragg. I am possibly best known in that capacity as being the guy who flew Joan Lunden in the tunnel on "Behind Closed Doors" which has played probably 100 times on TV. Please just keep Sangiro's "no advertising" rules in mind when posting here and all will be well. Chuck Blue D-12501 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paulipod 0 #3 November 23, 2004 Hey... thats alot of Bragg time! Maybe you could at some point give us the low down on their tunnel.... as not many people get to go in it I heard?! Bodyflight Bedford www.bodyflight.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stacy 0 #4 November 23, 2004 can we rename this forum "the crack house?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #5 November 23, 2004 HH, Thanks for finally creating a LZ for us tunnel junkies. Only one question from me though, what's it doing in the Skydiving Forum?? I would've thought that it would belong next to Base Jumping in the Related Sports.. since it's not skydiving and is a sport unto itself. But glad to have it somewhere. Will all the misc tunnelposts around the other forums be transferred over??? It would help to keep the repitition down for sure! Blue Skies & Fast Air Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #6 November 23, 2004 Quote254 hours That's an assload of time! I know I don't have that much, but I have a lot. I never bothered keeping track of it. What sparked your idea to lof it all?Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #7 November 23, 2004 QuoteWill all the misc tunnelposts around the other forums be transferred over??? Good question . . . there are a LOT of them to move if that's the case. I move a lot of location related tunnel threads from "General Skydiving" to "Events & Places To Jump." When HH started the "Instructors" forum, he left it up to the Mod (me ). Whether to move them or not. I moved some very relevant ones that fit better in the new forum, and others PMd me asking to move theirs over as well.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #8 November 23, 2004 I will likely move all the tunnel-related threads in forums which I mod over here in short order. PM the mod of those other forums and ask them to move those which you think are important. Also, to answer John, I have always kept a running tally. It's all comprised of the number of full days my team was in their for training, hours we were teaching students at the GB club, when I was doing demos at SWC, plus the number of hours I spent in there at lunch during my last five years at SWC (we owned the tunnel). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #9 November 23, 2004 Yeah!!! Thanks, HH. Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sangiro 4 #10 November 23, 2004 QuoteOnly one question from me though, what's it doing in the Skydiving Forum?? I There will be a little reorganization in the near future. I appreciate the fact that this may be a sport unto itself for some people. There's also a large group of people to whom a wind tunnel isn't much more than a theme-park ride. I'm not focussed on them either. These folks are all welcome to share their experiences and thoughts here but in the context of this site I'm mostly focussed on tunnel discussions relating to skydiving training. To that extend, I think this belongs in a "training" category, which we don't have... just yet. Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #11 November 23, 2004 Oh, ok. Ya know why I come here, even though I don't consider my tunnel time as training for skydiving? Because there are like minded individuals here and at the DZ... people who can appreciate the freedom of thought, movement and thinking outside the norm. This mindset is not available from just anyone, but usually comes as a package with skydivers, tunnel flyers & pilots in general, the understanding of what's important, and about knowing your body or vessel and enjoying life to it's fullest today. Good luck with the re-organization..and thanks for the place to land. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #12 November 23, 2004 Nice job. But you made me look badMay your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sangiro 4 #13 November 23, 2004 QuoteBut you made me look bad Impossible! Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #14 November 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteBut you made me look bad Impossible! I know, I can make myself look bad without any help from youMay your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #15 November 24, 2004 Thanks for creating this forum and thank you SM1 for moderating it, I know I will be in here a lot. Any chance of adding a tunnel time field into the profile? In addition to "crack house" maybe we should call this forum "the sewer" since it's where all the tunnel rats will be congregating Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #16 November 25, 2004 I agree a tunnel time field in the profile would help other filter through some of the crap advice that may pop up. If you can see that the person has amassed a bit of time, it may help you make better decisions on advice to take. Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #17 November 25, 2004 QuoteI agree a tunnel time field in the profile would help other filter through some of the crap advice that may pop up. If you can see that the person has amassed a bit of time, it may help you make better decisions on advice to take. I disagree and it's meaningless. I have a fraction of the tunnel time SM1 does, but that doesn't mean my advice is useless, does it? I still get coaching in there especially for FS stuff, but I bring AFF students in there all the time. Jump numbers and years in the sport are a better indicators. I'd like to see freefall time and/or ratings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #18 November 25, 2004 Never said your advice is useless. I said it would help others judge what advice to take since tunnel flying and sky flying are different (esp. freeflying). Maybe not being in the tunnel much, it didn't occur to you that freeflying in the tunnel is very different than in the air. I didn't ask for attitude I was just putting out an idea for HH to chew on.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #19 November 25, 2004 QuoteI disagree and it's meaningless. I have a fraction of the tunnel time SM1 does, but that doesn't mean my advice is useless, does it? The amount of tunnel time someone has is definitely not meaningless. Yes, it means something different then the amount of air time someone has or the amount of jumps someone has but it is definitely not meaningless. Not having tunnel time does not make someone's advice useless, it just means it has to be taken in a different context when talking about tunnel related issues. If I want to learn how to run up a tunnel wall, back flip and run down the other wall I would want an answer from someone who has done that in the tunnel. No amount of skydives will teach someone how to do that, only tunnel. Since this is a tunnel forum I would expect people to ask at least *some* questions related specifically to the tunnel. For these types of questions I think the amount of tunnel time someone has is very important. When it comes to tunnel flying there are certain things that you might be able to do perfectly in the sky but not at all in the tunnel. Someone who has never flown in the tunnel or only has a limited amount of time may not realize this and inadvertently give advice trying to help but may in fact be the wrong thing to do in the tunnel. In any case, I don't think that having a tunnel time field in the profile would hurt. I feel that the more you know about someone's flying experience (jumps, air time, ratings, tunnel time) just helps people make better informed decisions.Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #20 November 26, 2004 QuoteNever said your advice is useless. I said it would help others judge what advice to take since tunnel flying and sky flying are different (esp. freeflying). Maybe not being in the tunnel much, it didn't occur to you that freeflying in the tunnel is very different than in the air. I didn't ask for attitude I was just putting out an idea for HH to chew on. No it didn't occur to me that sit flying or any flying is different in the tunnel. I gave an opinion, and you took that as showing an attitude. I guess you don't get it. You should check your own attitude. This is an Internet forum and anyone seeking any reputable advice would speak directly to a tunnel coach or their instructors. I would hope that my 24 hours of freefall experience and 450 AFF jumps would be enough for you, but may be my 8 hours of tunnel isn't. My intent was not to offend you but whether you ask or not an opinion may be given. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #21 November 27, 2004 I think tunnel time would be relevant, especially if someone's posting a question about wind speed inconsistancies, entering and exiting the tunnel, or what kinds of drills work well in the tunnel. Someone with a hundred tunnel hours would be better suited to answer those questions than someone with a hundred freefall hours and five minutes of tunnel time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #22 November 27, 2004 QuoteI think tunnel time would be relevant, especially if someone's posting a question about wind speed inconsistancies, entering and exiting the tunnel, or what kinds of drills work well in the tunnel. Someone with a hundred tunnel hours would be better suited to answer those questions than someone with a hundred freefall hours and five minutes of tunnel time. I would hope that somebody with 5 minutes of tunnel time would be embarrassed to offer tunnel advice. Besides 100 hrs TT would equate to 6,000+ skydives. Sounds like a professional or someone who's been around and has most likely taken advantage of the tunnel. Skydivers should know when and who to offer advice to. If someone wants to give advice that's fine. The drills you mention would be better addressed by an instructor or tunnel coach which many ADV 4 way competitors are. Would it be better to provide tunnel time under your avatar, or on your profile page? If everyone feels it's important to advertise their tunnel time you can petition Sangiro. People will offer advice whether they are qualified or not, however I see most just want to share their experience. I see it all the time in S&T. If somebody wants to have credibility, become a coach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #23 November 27, 2004 QuoteI would hope that somebody with 5 minutes of tunnel time would be embarrassed to offer tunnel advice. Yeah right. We've got people with 100 jumps who've been booted off DZ's for dangerous actions and poor canopy choices telling others how to hook turn.......---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #24 November 28, 2004 Quote You should check your own attitude. I would hope that my 24 hours of freefall experience and 450 AFF jumps would be enough for you, but may be my 8 hours of tunnel isn't. My intent was not to offend you but whether you ask or not an opinion may be given. I was not the only person who read your post as such. I wanted to make sure it wasn't just me. Maybe this is all one stupid and pointless misscommunication.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el_chester 4 #25 November 29, 2004 Thanks HH this forum is sure to be of great use. I just did 40 mins with an Austrian tunnel rat named Fabian, with Rob Laidlaw and with Gary from Majic the past week in Orlando - what a great toy... I miss it already! (My pecs don't) -- Be careful giving advice. Wise men don't need it, and fools won't heed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites