WatchYourStep 0 #1 September 10, 2007 So does your DZ use an SOS system for cutaways while going through the student progression or do they use a 2 handle (cutaway and reserve) system? Vote and if you feel like it let us know where you are from. Thanks Edit: Changed title a little. "You start off your skydiving career with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience up before your bag of luck runs out." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #2 September 10, 2007 Skydive Wayne County, Richmond In. SOS AFF-S/L-IAD. Skydive Greensburg In. is still SOS I think too.you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #3 September 10, 2007 Skydive City (Z-hills): two handle (AFF) Performance Skydiving (Z-hills) two handle (AFF) USSOCOM parachute team (Z-hills) two handle (AFF) Raeford Parachute Center, NC: two handle (AFF) Skydive Opelika, AL: two handle (SL, IAD, AFF) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #4 September 10, 2007 Edmonton Skydive Centre in northern Alberta uses SOS on our student gear. We are the only DZ in the province to do so. We have two transition rigs that have two handle systems. The result of all this is that we inevitably get students who learn on one system, move to the other, and then back. In theory they start on SOS and then transition to TOS but the reality is otherwise; other DZs' students transfer to us, Our students visit other DZs when they are traveling and then come back to us, students are transitioned to the TOS but then throw on a student rig because of transition rig availability. Quite frankly it scares the shit out of me. We will be converting to TOS this off season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #5 September 10, 2007 No, in the entire Netherlands. Our dropzones have either SL AND/or AFF progression (no option for that...). ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #6 September 10, 2007 Two-handle systems at Richland Skysports (IAD) and West Plains Skydiving (IAD-->AFF). Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 261 #7 September 10, 2007 At a Canadian DZ that's a little different but has a carefully thought out program: Yes, SOS for static line rigs. Keeps it simple for the vast majority who do just one jump. Then for freefall progression after static line, rigs are also SOS, with hip mounted main ripcord. (Allowing FXC AAD's both on main and reserve.) Then when students have their Canadian Solo certificate (no longer requiring direct instructor supervision), they convert to "regular" skydiving gear with TAS and BOC. Since this is a big step from their previous gear, there is a 3 jump transition program to properly teach them TAS emergency procedures and BOC main activation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #8 September 11, 2007 You forgot Tandem progressions in your poll... At any rate, two handles, not altered, JAV's...Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WatchYourStep 0 #9 September 11, 2007 Mykel I wasn't sure if I was going to put it in or not. I decided not to. Even if people do a tandem progression system after the 1st few (3 here) we start going with an AFF instructor for X number of jumps. So even though it's technically not AFF progression I figured people would lump it into AFF. "You start off your skydiving career with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience up before your bag of luck runs out." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #10 September 11, 2007 QuoteMykel I wasn't sure if I was going to put it in or not. I decided not to. Even if people do a tandem progression system after the 1st few (3 here) we start going with an AFF instructor for X number of jumps. So even though it's technically not AFF progression I figured people would lump it into AFF. Nope... AFF is 7 jumps, the tandem progression I teach in is an 18 jump solo course after 2 tandems. Kinda like ISP with emphasis on a few details the ISP does not make. It is a totally different animal (and superior) than AFF, so I did not vote...Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #11 September 11, 2007 No, for the entire South Africa. We offer both SL and AFF progression. (Not available in your poll) Our DZ uses Vector 3 / Skymaster / Tempo / Cypres for students. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #12 September 13, 2007 Pacific Skydivers, Pitt Meadows, BC: 2-handles Alberta Skydivers, Beiseker, AL: 2-handles Niagara Skydivers, Dunnville, ON: 2-handles All three DZs offer both traditional and PFF progression. All student rigs are Sidewinders with TAS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrenchyDiver 0 #13 September 17, 2007 Yes we use an SOS system. Our program is 2 tandems jumps then AFF. Skydive Virginia, VA USA (www.skydivevirginia.com) Hispas Brothers President HISPA #2, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillSchram 0 #14 September 17, 2007 We use a 2 handle SOS, train them to like they are jumping a normal 2 handle system but if they pull out of order then it will still cut away the main. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #15 September 17, 2007 QuoteWe use a 2 handle SOS, train them to like they are jumping a normal 2 handle system but if they pull out of order then it will still cut away the main. I would like to add that Raeford Parachute Center still has quite a few student Javelins with this "pulling the wrong handle first won't kill you" system. We do not tell the students about the feature though. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllisonH 0 #16 September 17, 2007 I like the idea of this - I'm just wondering what you tell the students about handling malfunctions below cutaway altitude? I'm assuming this part of their EP's is retrained when they switch to a regular 2 handle rig? QuoteQuoteWe use a 2 handle SOS, train them to like they are jumping a normal 2 handle system but if they pull out of order then it will still cut away the main. I would like to add that Raeford Parachute Center still has quite a few student Javelins with this "pulling the wrong handle first won't kill you" system. We do not tell the students about the feature though. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites