an_alt 0 #26 August 10, 2007 Quote Redtwiga... my 2 cents... There is no Dilemma here. She shouldn't be skydiving. I'm going to say other then to say, that if faced with a similar situation in the future, I WOULD advise them, one-on-one, NOT to jump and if they persisted with their intention to skydive I WOULD go to the DZO and S&TA and inform them of the situation and my opinion... you know what they say about opinions. Being medically fit to skydive and/or disclosing any medical conditions which may preclude us from skydiving is in the waiver, and "Yes" we've all signed it. Although I agree at least the S&TA should know, and I understand where you are coming from given the incident you describe, this is exactly the kind reaction which makes people lie about their medical conditions. Hell, it's the reason why i'm using this alt! As someone replied above, epilepsy is hardly a simple affliction with clear cut borders. As to the waiver, I "have" epilepsy, but am seizure free for close to five years. However, these seizures were of the grand-mal type, and will return if I discontinue my meds. My trigger is sleepiness, for a want of a better word. (See "http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2755407#2755407"] this post for a long, long explanation of my situation.) Does that mean I lied when I signed the waiver? Should I discontinue skydiving? Am I more of a health hazard to other jumpers than a random know-it-all skygod who just happens not to be afflicted with epilepsy? More than any other student? I think not. --- If you ask me, the best thing to do for the OP is have their friend discuss their form of seizure disorder with their neurologist. What are her triggers, what type of seizures does she experience, how are her meds affecting her (side effects can occur, but the body usually adapts to them after a period of time, be it months or years) etc. etc. After that, she should have a long quiet chat with the S&TA, and explain to him what the facts are, and why she feels she can safely skydive, insofar as that is possible with our sport. The S&TA can then take it up with the other instructors and the DZO, if they feel they shouldn't decide on this alone. No names need to be mentioned, just the situation explained. If the staff are not satisfied, maybe a solution can be found. Say they are worried about the short seizure free period; maybe the OP's friend can come back after a period of time, and meanwhile enjoy the tunnel or whatever other pursuits. At any rate, telling a person they are unfit to skydive merely because they have a scary sounding medical condition is not the solution, but neither is lying to the DZ staff, or hiding such a condition from them. This may seem hypocritical coming from a person who posts under an alt, but as I said before, the S&TA and several trusted friends at my DZ already know, and I am gradually telling more and more people as I get to know them better. I just don't want anybody to find out this way.disclaimer I only use this alt to post on epilepsy related subjects Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #27 August 10, 2007 The S&TA should require a medical clearance before allowing jumps? That has been done before.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deisel 35 #28 August 13, 2007 I've jumped with folks with all kinds of afflictions; diabetes, cancer, African-American, epilepsy, bum tickers, missing limbs, etc. Quote What the fuck is this bullshit? Since when is being Black an affliction? I like to think that I'm a pretty tolerant person, but damn. - And no one here called him on this?The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #29 August 13, 2007 Quote I've jumped with folks with all kinds of afflictions; diabetes, cancer, African-American, epilepsy, bum tickers, missing limbs, etc. Quote What the fuck is this bullshit? Since when is being Black an affliction? I like to think that I'm a pretty tolerant person, but damn. - And no one here called him on this? I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you didn't see the white lettering at the bottom of his post. Perhaps highlighting the text would help. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,051 #30 August 14, 2007 Thanks, Dave. I sent him an e PM explaining _why_ and the brackets thing. KeithNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deisel 35 #31 August 14, 2007 I won't go in depth here as I do not intend to alter the subject of this thread. I don't know you or why you wrote what you did. Jokes are fine, but that was a bad one.The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JoosVos 0 #32 August 22, 2007 Not too much of a dilemma here right? You hurt a friends feelings or safe their life. I think you should go ahead and inform the DZO and S&TA - they have a right to know This is pretty obvious - she should not jump. If anything it should be up to her doctor... but with her not taking medications anyway - something is going to go wrong someday Wisdom to you! :-)Have fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Baksteen 84 #33 October 31, 2007 I'm really curious: How did this end? And to JoosVos, I don't mean to be disrespectful but how can you say stuff like that after what everyone else said? "She should not jump" is a really easy solution to the problem."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites denete 2 #34 May 29, 2008 Quote No-brainer...Let the DZO and S&TA know...immediately. They are the ones to make the call at that DZ...nobody else. You help hide it and you become equally responsible for anything that might happen. Personally, if I was the DZO, I would throw her off the DZ for hiding it in the first place and proving herself untrustworthy to start with and endangering my business, my customers and the entire skydiving industry. Up front and honest to start with is the only way. Call me a hard-ass if you like. You're a hard-ass. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,396 #35 May 30, 2008 >She shouldn't be skydiving. A doctor would be a better person to make that call. It's all well and good to talk about who should be told and all, but in terms of whether or not she can safely skydive, a doctor's opinion is going to trump a dozen S+TA's or instructors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Blue42 0 #36 May 30, 2008 Quote I've jumped with folks with all kinds of afflictions; diabetes, cancer, African-American, epilepsy, bum tickers, missing limbs, etc. Quote What the fuck is this bullshit? Since when is being Black an affliction? I like to think that I'm a pretty tolerant person, but damn. - And no one here called him on this? I am glad that I kept reading to this point. I didn't want to post because I am not an instrutor, but I like to see what the big dogs have to say, and this bothered me. This seemed so matter of fact. . .it's disturbing . . .I was thinking the same thing. Wow. . . .Carpe Diem! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
livendive 8 #29 August 13, 2007 Quote I've jumped with folks with all kinds of afflictions; diabetes, cancer, African-American, epilepsy, bum tickers, missing limbs, etc. Quote What the fuck is this bullshit? Since when is being Black an affliction? I like to think that I'm a pretty tolerant person, but damn. - And no one here called him on this? I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you didn't see the white lettering at the bottom of his post. Perhaps highlighting the text would help. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,051 #30 August 14, 2007 Thanks, Dave. I sent him an e PM explaining _why_ and the brackets thing. KeithNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deisel 35 #31 August 14, 2007 I won't go in depth here as I do not intend to alter the subject of this thread. I don't know you or why you wrote what you did. Jokes are fine, but that was a bad one.The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoosVos 0 #32 August 22, 2007 Not too much of a dilemma here right? You hurt a friends feelings or safe their life. I think you should go ahead and inform the DZO and S&TA - they have a right to know This is pretty obvious - she should not jump. If anything it should be up to her doctor... but with her not taking medications anyway - something is going to go wrong someday Wisdom to you! :-)Have fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #33 October 31, 2007 I'm really curious: How did this end? And to JoosVos, I don't mean to be disrespectful but how can you say stuff like that after what everyone else said? "She should not jump" is a really easy solution to the problem."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denete 2 #34 May 29, 2008 Quote No-brainer...Let the DZO and S&TA know...immediately. They are the ones to make the call at that DZ...nobody else. You help hide it and you become equally responsible for anything that might happen. Personally, if I was the DZO, I would throw her off the DZ for hiding it in the first place and proving herself untrustworthy to start with and endangering my business, my customers and the entire skydiving industry. Up front and honest to start with is the only way. Call me a hard-ass if you like. You're a hard-ass. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #35 May 30, 2008 >She shouldn't be skydiving. A doctor would be a better person to make that call. It's all well and good to talk about who should be told and all, but in terms of whether or not she can safely skydive, a doctor's opinion is going to trump a dozen S+TA's or instructors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue42 0 #36 May 30, 2008 Quote I've jumped with folks with all kinds of afflictions; diabetes, cancer, African-American, epilepsy, bum tickers, missing limbs, etc. Quote What the fuck is this bullshit? Since when is being Black an affliction? I like to think that I'm a pretty tolerant person, but damn. - And no one here called him on this? I am glad that I kept reading to this point. I didn't want to post because I am not an instrutor, but I like to see what the big dogs have to say, and this bothered me. This seemed so matter of fact. . .it's disturbing . . .I was thinking the same thing. Wow. . . .Carpe Diem! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
