carpenter 0 #1 September 14, 2006 What is going on with the recent tandem fatality rate. It seems as though we went through 99-2003 without a fatality. And since then we have experienced many fatalities. ??????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #2 September 14, 2006 QuoteWhat is going on with the recent tandem fatality rate. It seems as though we went through 99-2003 without a fatality. And since then we have experienced many fatalities. ??????? Not true.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #3 September 14, 2006 I think the point Jason is trying to make (and I agree with him) is that in the last 2 years we have seen more tandem fatalities than in the 4 years previous to that, so what is going on???????? Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rbrcokflichk 0 #4 September 14, 2006 Has the amount of tandem jumps being made gone up in relation??? I'd rather have an awkward morning than a boring night!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alaskaskydiving 0 #5 September 14, 2006 Its interesting how this stuff works out Jason. And these points are good ones, but these two points are just two of the puzzle. First, don't look at the fatalities to see whats going on in the sport, you need to look at the close calls, and understand the vulnerabilities of the equipment reletive to instructor competence. What that means is Nothing is perfect, and we get by with alot, you know this cause you hear of close calls at your dz all the time, well, sometimes, somewhere in the world, it is not a close call for someone, it actually happens. Those years when things are quiet, its not cause the grim reaper is not lurking, at all, if your an instructor you know this. Second, and I've heard this from very highly experienced people in the sport, my dzo has been in the sport for 50 years. The instructors in this sport overall are cycling in and out, and some very good ones from the nineties etc are leaving, which leads to a weakness in experience levels. When very good judgement, high experience people move one, stop speaking up, stop teaching, we all loose. Personally I see a tandem instructor under a 1000 tandems, depending on currency, maturity, and experience with malfunctions, still very novice. The big problem with tandems, is if two things go wrong, not just one, once you have two things go wrong, your chance of dying went way up. Tandems are dangerous, the key is working so hard to make sure that your trained well, great attitude, and ready for a passenger to give you anything but what you want. For all the humble TI's and AFFI's out there, I know you don't get enough respect nor pay for what you do, great job, matt aman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #6 September 14, 2006 very well said!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #7 September 14, 2006 QuoteWhat is going on with the recent tandem fatality rate. It seems as though we went through 99-2003 without a fatality. And since then we have experienced many fatalities. ??????? I mentioned the same thing in another thread earlier this week. 8 students since August 2005...6 in the process of skydiving and 2 in a plane crash. I'm hoping that statistically it's just an outlying year, but only time will tell. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bclark 0 #8 September 14, 2006 What I find the most disturbing is that in the last couple of years I can think of at least 4 ( there may be more ) incidents where the student was killed and the instructor lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #9 September 14, 2006 QuoteWhat I find the most disturbing is that in the last couple of years I can think of at least 4 ( there may be more ) incidents where the student was killed and the instructor lived. I'm not sure why that's more disturbing than double-fatalities, but yeah...so can I. The two students who fell out of their harnesses, the Utah landing incident, and the Virginia landing incident (didn't that TI die in a subsequent landing incident on his sport rig, almost exactly one year later?) Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #10 September 15, 2006 Are some people getting complacent or is it just a statistical spike? People smarter than I will have to answer that one. The second "falling out of the harness" incident, though, is unforgivable. That was totally preventable. The turbulence collapse, though, is pretty hard to predict/prevent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OnYourBack 0 #11 September 15, 2006 "The turbulence collapse, though, is pretty hard to predict/prevent." Well kinda. You can prevent it by jumping in appropriate weather conditions and making sure your final is into a portion of the lz that has clean winds. I'm not saying that is what happened in either of those incidents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #12 September 15, 2006 in reply to "Are some people getting complacent or is it just a statistical spike?"....The second "falling out of the harness" incident, though, is unforgivable. ................... "If it happens once its an accident, twice it's a coincidence , three times it's a crime against the state." Hill Street Blues taught me something Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites toolbox 0 #13 September 16, 2006 Incompetance and some very bad luck. I would like to think all tandem instructors are very well qualified and extremely heads up, but it seems not everyone is. Every human can and will make mistakes,but if we always follow the correct procedures everytime,we can greatly reduce the odds of mistakes. Even doing everything right though, bad luck can and will get you. It's just a numbers game. So keep everything simple,follow procedures,do not make the ride too crazy( like doing intentional flips and CRW with passengers) it is dangerous enough by the book. I hope to see you guys in october bro. Blue skies! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
toolbox 0 #13 September 16, 2006 Incompetance and some very bad luck. I would like to think all tandem instructors are very well qualified and extremely heads up, but it seems not everyone is. Every human can and will make mistakes,but if we always follow the correct procedures everytime,we can greatly reduce the odds of mistakes. Even doing everything right though, bad luck can and will get you. It's just a numbers game. So keep everything simple,follow procedures,do not make the ride too crazy( like doing intentional flips and CRW with passengers) it is dangerous enough by the book. I hope to see you guys in october bro. Blue skies! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites