captain1976 0 #1 July 30, 2013 Found this old canopy which is in such good condition, I'm gonna set it up for the younger guys to jump as I did with a PC. Can anyone come up with a packing manual/instructions? I really don't know where to start. I also need a bag or sleeve for it but can probably have Billy Weber make one.You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AirCav 0 #2 July 30, 2013 If I remember correctly they pack up just like a PC or Pap. They were somewhat squirrely compared to the PC & Pap.QuoteGW685,D3888,C5052,SCS843 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,046 #3 July 30, 2013 Hi captain, The Crossbow is a flat canopy. That means that it does not have any 'louvered' panels in it as the ParaCommander did. Therefore, every gore will lay flat without any over-folding of the individual panels, as you have to do with a ParaCommander. The only panels that might give you concern ( since you are not experienced with XBO's ) are the Derry slots. These were used for turning on the XBO. And they were that way because that was as close as Dan Abbott could come to the ParaCommander's LeMoigne ( read louvered ) panels without infringing on the license that Pioneer had with M. LeMoigne. Does that help? Oh, and the XBO used a short-sleeve only. This means stowing the crown lines. If you need more of my thoughts, shoot me an email or give me a call & we can talk. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gene03 0 #4 July 30, 2013 Howdy Mike. Yup, just like a PC. Side pack it. Clear the crown area. Flake the stabilizer panels. Fold into a bag. Or pull down the sleeve.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andrewhilton 1 #5 August 1, 2013 I have a copy of the manual if you want it for completeness, but packing it is as described in this thread. PM me if you'd like a copy of the .pdf file A jumpable Crossbow main is a pretty rare canopy nowadays - take of that thing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites captain1976 0 #6 August 3, 2013 andrewhiltonI have a copy of the manual if you want it for completeness, but packing it is as described in this thread. PM me if you'd like a copy of the .pdf file A jumpable Crossbow main is a pretty rare canopy nowadays - take of that thing! Thanks and thanks to all that responded. I'm going to take it out this weekend and open it up. I will know more about what I got and try to configure it to jump. Will post some pix of it hereYou live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CliffDavis 0 #7 March 16, 2015 Was it a blue and gold Crossbow? I think serial # was 417 or something like that? I sold it on ebay about 8 years ago for $150. I had kept it since 1965 and got tired of moving it. I put 100 jumps on it and then went to a PC. Wouldn't jump it now.D-1594- USPA Instructor Examiner-PCA LIFE MEMBER #377-National Judge -Gold wings# 1223- Okla Pope #5-Master Rigger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites t3skydvr 0 #8 January 29, 2017 I am trying find a packing manual from a Crossbow. Do you still have a copy you could email to me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pms07 3 #9 January 31, 2017 I only have 2 jumps on a XBO and was talked through packing it many years ago. I remember it being just like a PC... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites C348 0 #10 February 10, 2017 Correct the canopy packed just like a PC It did not fly like a PC. Scary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 36 #11 February 11, 2017 http://www.uk-skydiver.co.uk/cms/files/file/1794-crossbow-1968pdf/I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,046 #12 February 11, 2017 Hi Terry, QuoteCrossbow Here is a fairly good photo of the early version of the CrossBow Rig, Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steve1 5 #13 March 9, 2017 Back in the Spring of 1973 or was it 72.......I had about twenty jumps. I needed some gear bad. A friend of mine, named Randy, heard of a guy who was selling his gear, in Missoula. Randy had even less jumps than I did. Randy needed my advice on things. Since Randy heard of the deal first he had first dibbs on the gear. Well we found the guys house, and this salty looking dude pulls out this really great looking canopy. I figured it was one of those new fangled para-commanders. It seemed like a great deal for around a hundred bucks. I told Randy that if he didn't buy it, I would. So, Randy layed out his cash, and we went home happy. Well, the next day we went out to the airport to show all our buds Randy's canopy. We promptly found out that it was a crossbow and definitely not a P.C. I think someone added that we had just been screwed. We didn't feel so good, after that. I think that was the last time Randy asked me for advice..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
JerryBaumchen 1,046 #3 July 30, 2013 Hi captain, The Crossbow is a flat canopy. That means that it does not have any 'louvered' panels in it as the ParaCommander did. Therefore, every gore will lay flat without any over-folding of the individual panels, as you have to do with a ParaCommander. The only panels that might give you concern ( since you are not experienced with XBO's ) are the Derry slots. These were used for turning on the XBO. And they were that way because that was as close as Dan Abbott could come to the ParaCommander's LeMoigne ( read louvered ) panels without infringing on the license that Pioneer had with M. LeMoigne. Does that help? Oh, and the XBO used a short-sleeve only. This means stowing the crown lines. If you need more of my thoughts, shoot me an email or give me a call & we can talk. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #4 July 30, 2013 Howdy Mike. Yup, just like a PC. Side pack it. Clear the crown area. Flake the stabilizer panels. Fold into a bag. Or pull down the sleeve.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewhilton 1 #5 August 1, 2013 I have a copy of the manual if you want it for completeness, but packing it is as described in this thread. PM me if you'd like a copy of the .pdf file A jumpable Crossbow main is a pretty rare canopy nowadays - take of that thing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #6 August 3, 2013 andrewhiltonI have a copy of the manual if you want it for completeness, but packing it is as described in this thread. PM me if you'd like a copy of the .pdf file A jumpable Crossbow main is a pretty rare canopy nowadays - take of that thing! Thanks and thanks to all that responded. I'm going to take it out this weekend and open it up. I will know more about what I got and try to configure it to jump. Will post some pix of it hereYou live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CliffDavis 0 #7 March 16, 2015 Was it a blue and gold Crossbow? I think serial # was 417 or something like that? I sold it on ebay about 8 years ago for $150. I had kept it since 1965 and got tired of moving it. I put 100 jumps on it and then went to a PC. Wouldn't jump it now.D-1594- USPA Instructor Examiner-PCA LIFE MEMBER #377-National Judge -Gold wings# 1223- Okla Pope #5-Master Rigger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t3skydvr 0 #8 January 29, 2017 I am trying find a packing manual from a Crossbow. Do you still have a copy you could email to me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pms07 3 #9 January 31, 2017 I only have 2 jumps on a XBO and was talked through packing it many years ago. I remember it being just like a PC... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C348 0 #10 February 10, 2017 Correct the canopy packed just like a PC It did not fly like a PC. Scary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #11 February 11, 2017 http://www.uk-skydiver.co.uk/cms/files/file/1794-crossbow-1968pdf/I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,046 #12 February 11, 2017 Hi Terry, QuoteCrossbow Here is a fairly good photo of the early version of the CrossBow Rig, Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #13 March 9, 2017 Back in the Spring of 1973 or was it 72.......I had about twenty jumps. I needed some gear bad. A friend of mine, named Randy, heard of a guy who was selling his gear, in Missoula. Randy had even less jumps than I did. Randy needed my advice on things. Since Randy heard of the deal first he had first dibbs on the gear. Well we found the guys house, and this salty looking dude pulls out this really great looking canopy. I figured it was one of those new fangled para-commanders. It seemed like a great deal for around a hundred bucks. I told Randy that if he didn't buy it, I would. So, Randy layed out his cash, and we went home happy. Well, the next day we went out to the airport to show all our buds Randy's canopy. We promptly found out that it was a crossbow and definitely not a P.C. I think someone added that we had just been screwed. We didn't feel so good, after that. I think that was the last time Randy asked me for advice..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
