manchuso 3 #1 September 21, 2010 I jumped a single keel and a double keel this year at Couch Freaks and loved them. Have been on the lookout for one for quite sometime without luck. Any advice? Blue skies, Manchuso Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rdufokker 6 #2 September 22, 2010 and you didn't have a malfunction?Irony: "the History and Trivia section hijacked by the D.B. Cooper thread" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #3 September 22, 2010 Quoteand you didn't have a malfunction? I have a good number of single keel jumps and a growing number of double keel jumps and haven't had a malfunction or anything close on either of them. The stall on the single keel is pretty scary but it is self induced. To the OP, neither of my dactyls are for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manchuso 3 #4 September 22, 2010 Beatnik: I figured you wouldn´t be in any rush to sale but if you happen to hear about someone interested in doing so please be generous and direct him to me Rdufokker: Both openings were nice enough... blue skies, rafael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 278 #5 September 23, 2010 Single keels aren't in the greatest demand due to the way they fly, but they are the more common type. Double keels, though, they're really rare, fly nicer, and are in quite a bit of demand among the small vintage canopy community. For example, if I found one somewhere, I know at least 2 other jumpers who'd want to snap it up before I ever announced it in public. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #6 September 23, 2010 The other option that is available would be to make one or have one made. It would probably cost more to get one this way but it wouldn't be hard. The single keel and double keel share the same basic components only one has two sections and the other has three. Because of the design of them they are extremely simple to build compared to other designs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewhilton 1 #7 September 23, 2010 If you can't find a dactyl, how about a Russian PZ81 parawing? Packs up even smaller, flies well and should still be possible to get hold of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manchuso 3 #8 September 23, 2010 The double landed softer but I think I could learn to live with a single keel landings as it had quite more wind penetration I´ve looking up both options. Asked some polish friends to look for a PZ81 but I´ve had no luck so far...As to making a new Paradactyl, I like the idea and I think I might be able to make one if I had the specifications. Do you have them? Blue skies, Rafael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #9 September 24, 2010 The PZ81 is a real nice parawing, probably the nicest single keel out there. But I still like the double keel as much if not better. It is a lot of fun and the landings are really soft. I have actually had jumps with the double keel where I was stuck in a thermal and going up. That jump took forever. It was from 7000 and finished 25 minutes later. As for the specs, I can get them to you but it will have to wait a week or so. Right now I am up at the north pole with work and will be returning next week. Send me a PM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swovelin 11 #10 September 24, 2010 Manchuso: Here is the canopy I PMed you about. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3042696;search_string=double%20keel;#3042696 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 624 #11 September 24, 2010 QuoteThe PZ81 is a real nice parawing, probably the nicest single keel out there. But I still like the double keel as much if not better. It is a lot of fun and the landings are really soft. I have actually had jumps with the double keel where I was stuck in a thermal and going up. That jump took forever. It was from 7000 and finished 25 minutes later. ......................................................................... Which is why Perris Valley Skydiving School used double-keel 'dactyls as student canopies for a while in the mid 1980s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 33zulu 22 #12 September 27, 2010 If I still had both of my old Dactyls, I'd pass them on to you. Could probably sew the two together. Pic attached of my old favorite canopies... I'm under the white one and a good friend's under the black one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pchapman 278 #13 September 27, 2010 So who owned the 'dactyls at Couch Freaks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites manchuso 3 #14 September 27, 2010 The canopies look very nice. Pity you don´t have them... I hope I get lucky and something shows up Pchapman: Lee was kind enough to lend them to me Blue skies, Rafael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites manchuso 3 #15 October 21, 2010 Still looking for a ´dactyl... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gjhdiver 0 #16 October 25, 2010 If you ever get out to Byron in NorCal, you can jump mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites upndownshop 0 #17 October 29, 2010 QuoteIf you can't find a dactyl, how about a Russian PZ81 parawing? Packs up even smaller, flies well and should still be possible to get hold of. How does one get there hands on PZ81? Would love to add it to my collection and jump one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites spootch 0 #18 October 29, 2010 Quote Still looking for a ´dactyl... how bout one of these?http://www.apcoaviation.com/support/manuals/guided_mayday_manual.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beatnik 2 #19 October 29, 2010 QuoteHow does one get there hands on PZ81? Would love to add it to my collection and jump one? The way I did it is make friends with someone overseas that has access to one and then buy it off them. They are a nice canopy to fly and much more stable than the single keel dactyl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites manchuso 3 #20 October 31, 2010 That´s my plan B. I´m currently in touch with polish and ucrainian guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites oldwomanc6 40 #21 November 12, 2010 I'm curious why anyone would want to jump a dactyl. When squares became available, everyone I knew got rid of them toot-sweet. They were horribly unreliable, and pounded even light-weight jumpers into the ground--especially on hot days. Lisalisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #22 November 12, 2010 Back in the early 80’s an 8 way team named Visions won the Nationals and World meet. All of them were flying dactyls. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites oldwomanc6 40 #23 November 12, 2010 Sparky, Jumped with all of them at one time or another--great guys! You and I also have jumped together a few times, if I recall correctly. Didn't you always wear orange? Lisalisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #24 November 12, 2010 QuoteSparky, Jumped with all of them at one time or another--great guys! You and I also have jumped together a few times, if I recall correctly. Didn't you always wear orange? Lisa Yes I did. PM me a picture. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,333 #25 November 12, 2010 Hi Lisa & Michael, Quote PM me a picture. Think you'll recognize each other. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
33zulu 22 #12 September 27, 2010 If I still had both of my old Dactyls, I'd pass them on to you. Could probably sew the two together. Pic attached of my old favorite canopies... I'm under the white one and a good friend's under the black one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 278 #13 September 27, 2010 So who owned the 'dactyls at Couch Freaks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manchuso 3 #14 September 27, 2010 The canopies look very nice. Pity you don´t have them... I hope I get lucky and something shows up Pchapman: Lee was kind enough to lend them to me Blue skies, Rafael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manchuso 3 #15 October 21, 2010 Still looking for a ´dactyl... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #16 October 25, 2010 If you ever get out to Byron in NorCal, you can jump mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
upndownshop 0 #17 October 29, 2010 QuoteIf you can't find a dactyl, how about a Russian PZ81 parawing? Packs up even smaller, flies well and should still be possible to get hold of. How does one get there hands on PZ81? Would love to add it to my collection and jump one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spootch 0 #18 October 29, 2010 Quote Still looking for a ´dactyl... how bout one of these?http://www.apcoaviation.com/support/manuals/guided_mayday_manual.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #19 October 29, 2010 QuoteHow does one get there hands on PZ81? Would love to add it to my collection and jump one? The way I did it is make friends with someone overseas that has access to one and then buy it off them. They are a nice canopy to fly and much more stable than the single keel dactyl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manchuso 3 #20 October 31, 2010 That´s my plan B. I´m currently in touch with polish and ucrainian guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 40 #21 November 12, 2010 I'm curious why anyone would want to jump a dactyl. When squares became available, everyone I knew got rid of them toot-sweet. They were horribly unreliable, and pounded even light-weight jumpers into the ground--especially on hot days. Lisalisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #22 November 12, 2010 Back in the early 80’s an 8 way team named Visions won the Nationals and World meet. All of them were flying dactyls. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 40 #23 November 12, 2010 Sparky, Jumped with all of them at one time or another--great guys! You and I also have jumped together a few times, if I recall correctly. Didn't you always wear orange? Lisalisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #24 November 12, 2010 QuoteSparky, Jumped with all of them at one time or another--great guys! You and I also have jumped together a few times, if I recall correctly. Didn't you always wear orange? Lisa Yes I did. PM me a picture. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,333 #25 November 12, 2010 Hi Lisa & Michael, Quote PM me a picture. Think you'll recognize each other. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites