AggieDave 6 #26 April 30, 2010 QuoteQuoteAllow me to talk mid 60's. 2 static lines 3 static line practice pulls First freefall (same day as last DRCP) 2 more 5s 3 10s 3 15s And you're on your own. That was at least the stated progression in the mid-70's when I trained too. That was the progression at the DZ I was at in 2000 and how I learned in that same year.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drjump 0 #27 April 30, 2010 5 s/l in April, 1968. And one s/l that summer on a military MC-1, T-10 for a water jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skydivesg 6 #28 April 30, 2010 1973........... 11 total. 28' double L Made 80 jumps on that same canopy before getting a PC and I have the ankles to prove it.Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patmoore 14 #29 April 30, 2010 QuoteAllow me to talk mid 60's. 2 static lines 3 static line practice pulls First freefall (same day as last DRCP) 2 more 5s 3 10s 3 15s And you're on your own. HW Ditto for me in the mid sixties. Then after 431 sport jumps I went to Ft. Benning in the (hot) summer of 1968. By the time I got out of the Air Force I had logged 40+ more static line jumps.DZGone.com B-4600, C-3615, D-1814, Gold Wings #326, Diamond Wings #152. If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taylor610 0 #30 April 30, 2010 I remeber I did 6 on student status. Got rained out before my first freefall, so had to wait until the next weekend. After that, when I began teaching the JmCC and the ICC, I would do live S/L jumps with the candidates. I used the canopy time to listen to those on the radio. I also had some real fun with those guys and gals!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #31 April 30, 2010 August 1962 first jump; Total of nine Static line jumps, but it was 1 jump per week for about two months + Several dummy ripcord pulls during Static line jumps clear and pull...5 seconds, 10 seconds, and then on my own. I later had one student ( a natural) who did about 15 including about 5 static lines, dummy pulls, clear and pulls , and on his 16th jump I took him to 7500 and buddy jumped him for 30 seconds. He was grinning for two weeks. He continued on 30 - 45- 60 second delays after his 16th jump. He had never done a night jump, so on his 102nd jump I took hi to 30,571 sometime after midnight. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatmiser 0 #32 April 30, 2010 Still using it today in Oklahoma. 1 stable s/l, 3 prcp's, then first free fall. 2 5 seconds, 2 10 seconds, 2 15, so on and so forth. Our students don't see full altitude (10 grand) until jump 23.What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #33 April 30, 2010 Thanks all, Didn't realize there was such a variety of methods outside what I thought was the norm.You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fossg 0 #34 April 30, 2010 I had about 30 or so. plus more clear and pulls. Then I went AFF in 82. Bill Deli and Jerry Swovelin showed me what skydiving is all about. Greatest day of my life.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerRamjet 0 #35 April 30, 2010 Nice to see others having to do more than the minimum... I started in 73 at Z-Hills where it was supposed to be 2 SL followed by 3 DRCP. Then on to 3 clear and pull (or hop and pop), 3 5s, 3 10s, 3 15s, 3 20s and I believe 1 30 after which you were on your own. You also had to spot starting around the 15s delays I believe. I sucked as a student and did 9 static lines. On number 9, the type 8 webbing holding the D-Ring to the pilot seat let go and the entire static line followed me out of the plane. The JM saw me reaching for my reserve handle when the main opened and cleared me for freefall. I still sucked doing several 5 and 10 second delays that amounted to hop and pops because I counted too fast or just wanted the chute open. Surprised I never got the bowling talk. Once I got past terminal, I seemed to get the idea though and went on to participate in several world records and other parachuting firsts. ----------------------- Roger "Ramjet" Clark FB# 271, SCR 3245, SCS 1519 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonstark 8 #36 April 30, 2010 I made seven static lines partly due to the time which it took to get them in. Weather in Pittsburgh can be really stinky. What took me even longer was the 5 second delays. I can count to 1-3-5 in about a nano-second and ended up making a lot of them. At ten seconds I finally got to lay on the "air cushion" and discovered stability. Ahhh... jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #37 April 30, 2010 7 S/Ls in 1968 at the Cal Club DZ, Livermore CA. Jumpship was the "RAT", an Aeronca Sedan owned and often flown by Perry Stevens. Sometimes he flew with his dog in the plane sitting on his lap. That dog (a small Dachshund) loved to fly and to jump too. If you count dogs, Perry was doing tandem jumps in the 1960s. He made a special carrier for the pooch. Still jumping 42 years later, thanks to my moderately loaded soft landing ram air canopy. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blongb 0 #38 April 30, 2010 1969 - Darbydale, Ohio 2 SL 3 SL with dummy ripcord pulls 3 Clear and pulls 3 5 sec delays 3 10 sec delays 3 15 sec delays 3 20 sec delays 3 30 sec delays then on your own. I think you have to have 75 jumps before you could jump a PC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimartle 0 #39 May 1, 2010 I don't know about his DZ, but in our old C-180, we'd pack lunch and bring sleeping bags and a change of clothes to get to 12,500 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #40 May 1, 2010 Hi Jim, Quote I don't know about his DZ, but in our old C-180, we'd pack lunch and bring sleeping bags and a change of clothes to get to 12,500 One of my most 'memorable' jumps was a 12,500 jump in a C-170 with the door removed; and I was in the wind seat. I think we exited the day after we took off. We were very young & dumb, JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #41 May 1, 2010 Quote Hi Jim, Quote I don't know about his DZ, but in our old C-180, we'd pack lunch and bring sleeping bags and a change of clothes to get to 12,500 One of my most 'memorable' jumps was a 12,500 jump in a C-170 with the door removed; and I was in the wind seat. I think we exited the day after we took off. We were very young & dumb, JerryBaumchen Had to stop twice for gas on the way up! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #42 May 1, 2010 Quote5 in 1981 Me too! 1 SL in littleton Colorado March 1981 4 SL in Eagle Creek Oregon August 1981 1st freefall on jump #6 August 1981 on my 19th Birthday. Still at it 29 years later.....Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimartle 0 #43 May 1, 2010 We had a door Jerry, the biggest problem was always the Sunday morning loads after the guys had the free pickeled eggs and cheese with their beer the night before at the bar. Finally had to ban them from early morning loads! (always felt sorry for the pilot) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #44 May 1, 2010 Huber's beer & hard boiled eggs...ya could knock a buzzard off a shit wagon at 600 yards! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #45 May 1, 2010 Quote Quote While I do not yet qualify as "old timer" that is the same type of static line progression I went through in 1997. 2 static lines 3 PRCP's on static line followed by the first freefall Wow, I didn't know they used that method past the 80's anyway. I went through a similar progression at Cal City back in 93. I did 2 static line jump, then 3 static line jumps with PRCPs and then went to freefall. I ended up taking a few months off before finishing the (then) student jump progression. When I came back, I had to do a static line jump with a PRCP for "recurrency" and then I went back to freefall and finished the student progression that weekend. Later, when I got my Static Line Jumpmaster rate (no longer current) the Instructor had this thing where he wanted everyone going through the course to do at least one static line jump themselves. So, with several hundred jumps at that point, I did another static line jump. So, if I do my maths right, I've got 7 static line jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackwallace 3 #46 May 1, 2010 Quote Hi Jim, Quote I don't know about his DZ, but in our old C-180, we'd pack lunch and bring sleeping bags and a change of clothes to get to 12,500 One of my most 'memorable' jumps was a 12,500 jump in a C-170 with the door removed; and I was in the wind seat. I think we exited the day after we took off. We were very young & dumb, JerryBaumchen Which seat in a doorless Cessna wasn't the wind seat? 1969 1 sl 1 hop n pop 1 20 flailing through the air after thatU only make 2 jumps: the first one for some weird reason and the last one that you lived through. The rest are just filler. scr 316 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #47 May 1, 2010 Hi Jack, Quote Which seat in a doorless Cessna wasn't the wind seat? The dz that I jumped in those days was a single Cessna 180 dz that was open only on weekends and then on Wed. evenings in the Spring, Summer & Fall. The C-180 had an in-flight door and the pilot could really get you to altitude in a hurry ( for a C-180 ); the normal pilot was John Pummell, B-37 for you old guys. This was a Wed. afternoon, probably about 1966, and three of us showed up to jump but we did not have the C-180 available. There was this younger pilot guy who had a C-170 and he had been asking some questions about flying jumpers so we asked him if he would take us up on a jump if we paid him. And stupidly, he said OK. So we took the left-side door off & removed the left-front seat ( the co-pilot's seat ). One guy sat up front where the left-front seat had been & the other two of us sat on the rear bench seat. I was on the left side of the bench seat, which is IMO the the real 'wind seat.' This was in the Spring, it took ~3 1/2 days to get to 12,500 and it was really cold almost all of the way up. And then, of course, this inexperienced pilot put us on jump run at 12,500 about 5 miles from the dz. We finally ( whew ) made the jump; but we never did see that pilot again. But you are correct; there is no 'warm' seat in a doorless Cessna. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybill 18 #48 May 2, 2010 Quote Hi Jack, Quote Which seat in a doorless Cessna wasn't the wind seat? The dz that I jumped in those days was a single Cessna 180 dz that was open only on weekends and then on Wed. evenings in the Spring, Summer & Fall. The C-180 had an in-flight door and the pilot could really get you to altitude in a hurry ( for a C-180 ); the normal pilot was John Pummell, B-37 for you old guys. This was a Wed. afternoon, probably about 1966, and three of us showed up to jump but we did not have the C-180 available. There was this younger pilot guy who had a C-170 and he had been asking some questions about flying jumpers so we asked him if he would take us up on a jump if we paid him. And stupidly, he said OK. So we took the left-side door off & removed the left-front seat ( the co-pilot's seat ). One guy sat up front where the left-front seat had been & the other two of us sat on the rear bench seat. I was on the left side of the bench seat, which is IMO the the real 'wind seat.' This was in the Spring, it took ~3 1/2 days to get to 12,500 and it was really cold almost all of the way up. And then, of course, this inexperienced pilot put us on jump run at 12,500 about 5 miles from the dz. We finally ( whew ) made the jump; but we never did see that pilot again. But you are correct; there is no 'warm' seat in a doorless Cessna. JerryBaumchen Hi Jerry, We had a couple of different Cessna 170's and 172's at Hammond, La. till Bob "The Stud" Munn from Baton Rouge bought the Howard DGA-15P!! 12-5's were definitely "Rare as hen's teeth!!" in the 170-172's. Yer right about the "Cold Seat" in the open door cessnas, they were all COLD!!!SCR-2034, SCS-680 III%, Deli-out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #49 May 2, 2010 I only did four static line jumps before my first freefall. That was back in 73. Everything was perfect on those four jumps, so I was given the green light for free-fall. All my early jumps were on 28 ft. 7 T-U's. I think the twenty or so jumps that I made in the army airborne helped a lot, even though it was mostly all different. It did give a guy confidence. I've talked to a few old army jumpers who went through jump school at Ft. Bragg. That's a part of history that many have forgotten.... Can anyone give more info. on that Army jump school? What year was jump school changed to Benning? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackwallace 3 #50 May 2, 2010 Now someone needs to start another thread: HOW COLD WAS IT? jumping without doors.U only make 2 jumps: the first one for some weird reason and the last one that you lived through. The rest are just filler. scr 316 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites