likestojump 3 #1 May 3, 2009 this should be pretty easy. Got this in mint shape, does not seem like it has any jumps. Jumped it once. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonstark 8 #3 May 3, 2009 Oh Noooo... Killer Bees!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #4 May 3, 2009 Quote Oh Noooo... Killer Bees!!! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 4 #5 May 3, 2009 I'm not up on my accuracy canopies. Is it a Challenger? -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccurley 0 #6 May 4, 2009 252?Watch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rdufokker 6 #7 May 4, 2009 Did the para foil have the deep brake vents? I didn't think it did. BSIrony: "the History and Trivia section hijacked by the D.B. Cooper thread" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poppenhager 1 #8 May 4, 2009 north american aerodynamics 252........... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #9 May 4, 2009 yop, Parafoil 252 is the correct answer. This one was shipped to the Army 11/13/1983 (as per NAA). From the looks of it it has very few if any jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccurley 0 #10 May 4, 2009 Mine didWatch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #11 May 4, 2009 QuoteMine did Me 2 ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #12 May 5, 2009 Damn, I got this one right off! Unfortunatly, I read this post too late. I had one of these back in the 70's, it was my first square. It flew like a brick! I retired it shortly thereafter. I cut the stablizers off and saved them. My plan is to have them sewn into a wind breaker.Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #13 May 5, 2009 Hi skyjumpen, And just for the record: the original Para-Foils did not have stabilizers. They just had the bottom-mounted flairs. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #14 May 6, 2009 Sorry! You are correct sir. If you look at the pics, the name panel is sewn onto the side of the end cell and the "stabilizers" are actually line flares. I stand corrected on a technicality. Still, it'll make a great windbreaker... To the OP, How did the jump go? The one I had was short lined by the previous owner. So, it never did fly right. I had nothing but trouble with it but would like to jump one that hasn't been """FIXED"".Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #15 May 6, 2009 Quote To the OP, How did the jump go? The one I had was short lined by the previous owner. So, it never did fly right. I had nothing but trouble with it but would like to jump one that hasn't been """FIXED"". The jump went fine. The opening was nice and soft. The canopy is quite slow to turn, and the flare is very different from what I am used to, but I felt it was nice and solid. I have plenty experience flying large BASE canopies, and this chute opened softer, turned slower, and had a much weaker bottom end to it. I still stood it up exactly where I wanted to, but my flare was a lot higher than it usually is on large 7 cell F111 canopies. rate of decent fluctuated between 13ft/sec and 16ft/sec. Closest thing I flew to this canopy is a ragged out Raven :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #16 May 6, 2009 The one I had was short lined by the previous owner. So, it never did fly right. I had nothing but trouble with it but would like to jump one that hasn't been """FIXED"". My 1st square was an old heavy weight 252 that the previous owned had not only 'short-lined' but radically changed the trim by lowering the nose/angle of attack by 6-8 inches. There WAS no flare, only changing the angle of the approach and the rate...it was a dead-center making machine, but if ya missed the peas....OUCH! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #17 May 6, 2009 It is easy to tell the difference between Para-Foils and Challengers from a distance. Just look at the line attachments. Jalbert (mostly made by North American Aerodynamics) Para-Foils have short (chord-wise) triangular "flares" with only one line attachment per flare. Flares started as structural components that later helped smooth out stall characteristics. OTOH Eiff Challengers have long "keels" that extend half the chord. Each load-bearing rib has two keels, with two line attachments per keel. Eiff keels are primarily designed to steer airflow straight aft when in deep brakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
