howardwhite 2 #1 April 19, 2009 And for extra credit, what (now extinct) dropzone? HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParaShoot 0 #2 April 19, 2009 Could it be a malfunctioning Delta Wing II? ** Know what you say but don't say all you know. ** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 37 #3 April 19, 2009 my guess (and its is truly a guess)"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lekstrom10k 0 #4 April 19, 2009 Definitely not a Delta 11 as it doesnt have the OSI on the lower left side. It does have the nose line slider like a Para-Dactyl. I recall a Dactyl having 2 sliders though. I am still guessing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 261 #5 April 19, 2009 Those deep deep flares.... seems almost like a Sailwing. Haven't compared any pics though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
javelin1 0 #6 April 20, 2009 double keel paradactyl at lakewood nj? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidB 0 #7 April 20, 2009 I'm willing to bet the rent that it's not Lakewood, NJ, or the spot is way WAY long... When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 2 #8 April 20, 2009 Quote I'm willing to bet the rent that it's not Lakewood, NJ, or the spot is way WAY long... How much is the rent? HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidB 0 #9 April 20, 2009 Apparently, not much... When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 1 #10 April 20, 2009 My guess is either a Rogollo (sp) Wing or a malfuntioning Barresh (sp) Sail Wing. And I'll ride on the Lakewood, NJ guess.Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 4 #11 April 20, 2009 My first thought was Barish Sailwing. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 2 #12 April 20, 2009 I'm not sure why anything in this picture would suggest it's a Delta II or Rogallo or Dactyl (as some have guessed.) It's clearly malfunctioning and just happens to look a little triangular at the moment the picture was taken. But there are other distinctive -- probably unique -- features. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccurley 0 #13 April 20, 2009 Not A volplan is it?? Watch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 2 #14 April 21, 2009 Quote Not A volplan is it?? Not a Volplane, although I guess one design feature of the Volplane came from this one. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,380 #15 April 21, 2009 Just a guess: Jumper: Tom Adamski Canopy: Barish sailwing Location: Lakewood Photographer: Brad Gaston"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 2 #16 April 21, 2009 Hmm, pretty good "guess." Here's another, this time with the canopy open. Tom said he jumped it about eight times and landed it once. Scotty Carbone also put a bunch of jumps on it, and later jumped it also at Z-Hills. I had never heard of Brad Gaston, but Tom said he was a regular photographer at Lakewood that summer. Do you know whether he is still around/jumping? HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
javelin1 0 #17 April 21, 2009 ok its a Failwing. Scotty carbone jumped it somewhat at ripcord para center(NJ) and it falmunctioned more than it opened. one time Barrish himself was present as scotty landed off the dz on the "dog farm" (american kennel club) after cutting it away. Barrish apparently cant drive either,as he almost ran over one of the kennel club members and his dogs with his car in his haste to get to scottyy. of course since i was the next one coming to pick up carbone i took all this members rath.(the 22 gauge kind)not a pleasant site to be lookin down the barrel of a shotgun from the business end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidB 0 #18 April 21, 2009 So, I was correct in that it was NOT Lakewood... I too have jumped at both Lakewood & RC (& landed WAY the hell out somewhere, not anywhere near the LZ, which was not on the airport at that time, but later was). Of course this was 1984-85-86-87, long after the above events.When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 2 #19 April 21, 2009 QuoteSo, I was correct in that it was NOT Lakewood... No, you are not correct. Scotty may have jumped it elsewhere in NJ, but the details of the picture are exactly as ryoder posted. I scanned the picture at the DZ Sunday and got all the details from the subject. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,046 #20 April 21, 2009 Hi howard, The latest photo looks as though it might a be double surface Sailwing ( at least a portion of it ) which would make it some later version of the original. Are my eyes still working OK? JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
javelin1 0 #21 April 21, 2009 yeah it was a later version that was actually part ram air.i remember don beech (who if i recall was working at north american aerodynamics at the time,makers of the para foil,) making the comment that barrish was violating the jalbert patents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 2 #22 April 21, 2009 QuoteThe latest photo looks as though it might a be double surface Sailwing ( at least a portion of it ) which would make it some later version of the original. Are my eyes still working OK? Yes. The first Sailwing jumps were in 1965 -- Lee Guilfoyle made a modest sensation and got a fawning story in Sky Diver, with his jump at the 1965 Nationals. This one was taken ~10 years later. It had (according to the guy in the picture) a partial lower surface -- hence my response to the earlier guess about a Volplane, which also did. The Volplane was early 70s, though I have movies of a proto-Volplane being jumped in 1968 or early 69. I don't know when this version of the Sailwing came out. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carbonezone 0 #23 April 28, 2009 Hi Howard Scotty here! The canopy is a Barish Aerobat. It was a 15 cell tri-lobed, ram air and single surface tail. It had vent baffels on the bottom and tiny oval ram air holes along the nose. It was the only canopy when it opened, that you could do hook turns with and barely lose any altitude! I am pretty sure that picture was in Zhills in 1977, when I had 6 cutaways in one day on it. The only other person that I knew that jumped it was Fang (Rich Fenimore). It was incredible...when it opened!!! It was the best parachute I jumped I wish he would have continued manufacturing it, the canopies today would have been much different. BSBD Scotty C. - D6464 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 2 #24 April 28, 2009 Hey, Scotty I did not know the name of the canopy, but the other details are exactly as earlier described here -- it's Tom Adamski at Lakewood. He remembers you jumping it that same summer. The info is written on the back of the print. He wonders whether the photographer is still around; he'd love to get some of the other pictures from that summer. You need to drag your butt back up to New England some time. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 0 #25 April 28, 2009 Get his butt back up to New England? No way! We are all better off with Scotty down in Florida! I still remember Scotty standing stark naked in the open door of Lodestar N7070 as it took off over the CT River at Turners Falls with some representative of Mass. Aero taking in that view. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
