howardwhite 4 #1 March 23, 2009 Screen grabs from a 1936 Pathé newsreel... HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drjump 0 #2 March 23, 2009 Poor packing, malfunction, line over? Or is it just a hung up slider? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKR 0 #3 March 23, 2009 Lisa (or something like this) sytem. Just pull the ccenter line.Jérôme Bunker Basik Air Concept www.basik.fr http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Luc-France/BASIK-AIR-CONCEPT/172133350468 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKR 0 #5 March 23, 2009 Quote ...or... HW mouarf Jérôme Bunker Basik Air Concept www.basik.fr http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Luc-France/BASIK-AIR-CONCEPT/172133350468 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybill 18 #6 March 23, 2009 Hi Howard, Yup, watch "Dare Devil" I think he was trying to invent the Para-Comander but over did it!!!! hahahhahahahahhahaaha!!!SCR-2034, SCS-680 III%, Deli-out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #7 March 23, 2009 HW very Very early Golden knight demo One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #8 March 23, 2009 Now it is starting to make sense. Sounds like - after a normal opening - the stunt jumper pulled down one suspension line hand-over-hand to collapse the chute. The modern equivalent would be doing shut-downs (deep stalls) on a ram-air canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 4 #9 March 23, 2009 Good guess. The real answer is more interesting.HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 1 #10 March 23, 2009 QuoteScreen grabs from a 1936 Pathé newsreel... HW Shouldn't this be in that other thread? "Secret Government Parachute Conspiracy"Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccurley 0 #11 March 23, 2009 My first guess was a canopy inverting on opening.But the deliberate collapse sounds interesting Watch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 4 #12 March 23, 2009 Well, o.k., here's how to do it. Yup, sort of like a PC without holes. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #13 March 23, 2009 Hi howard, Well, sheesh, give us some time to reply. Jaques Istel once told me about the Italians in the '30's who would pull down the apex to get to the ground faster. Looks like them, JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 4 #14 March 24, 2009 I suspect it is more like "pull the apex down a little, and get to the ground slower. Pull it down a lot, and get there faster." -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CReW 0 #15 March 24, 2009 Does not look like a real person under that thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 4 #16 March 24, 2009 Ground picture. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 1 #17 March 24, 2009 QuoteWell, o.k., here's how to do it. Yup, sort of like a PC without holes. HW In the mid 70's when everyone was trying to get smaller and lighter gear, people were gutting cheapos, removing what they considered excess reinforcement tape from Strato Stars. I thought I had the Answer. I took a Navy 26' Conical and pulled the apex down to the skirt, put crown lines on it for ease of packing, cut a triple doghouse in the back for drive and 2 turn slots on each side. It was light and did pack up very small. And had all the drive of a Wind Drift Indicator.Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerRamjet 0 #18 March 24, 2009 Quote Well, o.k., here's how to do it. Yup, sort of like a PC without holes. HW Hey, I had one of those on my cheapo. Just a small pulley in the apex and a dacron line running up through it and back to a riser. I had a small loop in the line at the optimum point and would pull the line down and secure the loop in a little (covered) hook on my riser. It seemed to make landings slightly softer and increased forward speed (very slightly). Never used it to collapse the canopy though ----------------------- Roger "Ramjet" Clark FB# 271, SCR 3245, SCS 1519 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerRamjet 0 #19 March 24, 2009 QuoteQuoteWell, o.k., here's how to do it. Yup, sort of like a PC without holes. HW In the mid 70's when everyone was trying to get smaller and lighter gear, people were gutting cheapos, removing what they considered excess reinforcement tape from Strato Stars. I thought I had the Answer. I took a Navy 26' Conical and pulled the apex down to the skirt, put crown lines on it for ease of packing, cut a triple doghouse in the back for drive and 2 turn slots on each side. It was light and did pack up very small. And had all the drive of a Wind Drift Indicator. I believe Jim Hooper had a very similar setup for a while. He sent me a picture of it some time ago. Maybe he will chime in here as well. ----------------------- Roger "Ramjet" Clark FB# 271, SCR 3245, SCS 1519 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim_Hooper 3 #20 March 24, 2009 Rog and Niki - I described it in another thread somewhere, but I did all that Niki did, but replaced some panels with larger C-9 panels to create something like Lemoigne slots. Packed it in a POD in an upside-down NB-6 container. Very flat and light. I got reasonable drive out of it, and with a bit of wind could manage stand-ups. Being 135 pounds helped, of course. See attachment. Hoop www.jimhooper.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #21 March 24, 2009 I remember I once weighed 135 lbs, too.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfullerman 0 #22 March 24, 2009 Quote I remember I once weighed 135 lbs, too. Me too....in 3rd grade Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CReW 0 #23 March 24, 2009 Yea but those pictures seem to go back a lot farther than the 70. Did you see that automobile in the picture? What is that a 49 ford? If you were hanging under your non-steerable taking incoming that technique would let you get to the ground faster. That guy doesn't look like a solider though, If that was just a stunt those guys were nuts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 4 #24 March 24, 2009 QuoteYea but those pictures seem to go back a lot farther than the 70. See the original post: QuoteScreen grabs from a 1936 Pathé newsreel... HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 261 #25 March 25, 2009 For reference, pics of the Italian Lisi chute have been up here for some time: http://www.parachutehistory.com/round/lisi.html Edit: A search on Lisi does show a US patent by him and other patents that reference it. # 02371898 is by him, which shows the Lisi parachute not simply having a pull down apex, but having an inner ring of suspension lines too, which are not just apex lines. That I didn't know. Patent at: http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US002371898&PageNum=1&&IDKey=CB001D30F252&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526p=1%2526u=%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-bool.html%2526r=7%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526co1=AND%2526d=PALL%2526s1=2371898%2526OS=2371898%2526RS=2371898 (Sometimes a browser add-in like AlternaTIFF is needed to view the patent office data.) That patent from 1940 was "vested in the Alien Property Custodian"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
