Beatnik 2 #51 January 8, 2009 Does it look like this one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murrays 0 #52 January 8, 2009 Quote I don't have that one scanned, but I do have this.HW very cool....Ron Dionne and Buzz Bennett are both still jumping in BC.-- Murray "No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets." - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJack 1 #53 January 8, 2009 QuoteOkay, y'all....a question for you PC experts. I currently own an all-black MK I PC dated 1970...no colors at all - solid black. Does this pattern have a name? I'd post a picture if I knew how - I can never get the size down small enough. I don't have a name for it but I bet it was an old military HALO canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #54 January 8, 2009 Hi howard, I don't know about any 'favoring' but he did pass through this area back in '65. I 'think' I may have posted something about it sometime in the past; but who can remember that far back. JerryBaumchen PS) Hint: the article had to do with D-rings. Now get to work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #55 January 8, 2009 Jack, I seem to remember from my Pioneer days that the "HALO PC" - aka MC-3 - was OD. Of course, Pioneer made canopies for a number of government agencies to their specs...including LOPOs in the 1970s/1980s."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky508 0 #56 January 8, 2009 man! I don't look a the forum for a while and I miss this great PC thread! A friend of mine has a HALO PC that he jumps a few times a year. It's a 28' jumbo model and OD. Im not sure but the jumbo would probably have a different nomenclature thatn the 24' HALO PC. Here's a pic of me jumping another HALO PC he has last year. It's dark camo and the only markings on it are 1 and 24 on the respective gores. ATW, Cael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #57 January 8, 2009 Hi lucky, That photo looks like a Comp PC. Note the large steering windows/louvers. The Mk I had one large & 3 small steering windows/louvers; the large one at the rearmost position. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 4 #58 January 8, 2009 Here's one that, I think, will defy identification by most anyone, even someone well-equipped with old magazines and catalogs.HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParaShoot 0 #59 January 8, 2009 Here are the promised pages. I've some more but no time to dig 'm out. ** Know what you say but don't say all you know. ** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewhilton 1 #60 January 8, 2009 To get back to Howard's quiz here are the official names of the colour schemes - 1. New Red, White and Blue 2. Church Window 3. Carrousel 4. 007 5. Super Checkerboard 6. Gold Keyhole 7. New Dark Blue Tel Star 8. Black and Gold Checkerboard 9. Firebird 10. Thunderball 11. The Black Knight 12. Aztec We've already seen my "Merry Widow" as posted by Beatnick Here is the 1968 menu of colours as well as a picture of a real Carousel. The Competition PC image I posted is called a "Sir Knight". Can anyone advise if PCs were available at all in custom build colours? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcord4 0 #61 January 8, 2009 The very one, Beatnik! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcord4 0 #62 January 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteOkay, y'all....a question for you PC experts. I currently own an all-black MK I PC dated 1970...no colors at all - solid black. Does this pattern have a name? I'd post a picture if I knew how - I can never get the size down small enough. I don't have a name for it but I bet it was an old military HALO canopy. As far as I know, all military HALO MC-3's were the 28' Jumbo PC and Olive Drab. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky508 0 #63 January 9, 2009 Quote Hi lucky, That photo looks like a Comp PC. Note the large steering windows/louvers. The Mk I had one large & 3 small steering windows/louvers; the large one at the rearmost position. JerryBaumchen Jerry, I think youre right. The lines on it are shorter than a T-10 reserve. It knocked my socs off on opening. It flew great and then thumped me on landing. ATW, Cael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #64 January 9, 2009 Can I ask an off-subject question, concerning P.C.'s? I figure if there is this many old timers thinking about para-commanders I can get the right answere. What is the right length, to make your retainer line for your sleeve. I had a couple malfunctions back in the 70's because this line was too short. My sleeve and pilot chute ended up tangled in the back of my chute. Bill Booth said that some jumpers used retainer lines that were almost too long to avoid this type of malfunction. I'm putting together a new (0ld) para-commander rig and this line looks way too short. (maybe five feet). I think I'll put a new one on, a little longer than the sleeve. (maybe ten or twelve feet long.) Does that sound about right?..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcord4 0 #65 January 9, 2009 I have always made my sleeve retainer lines the length of the canopy for positive, unimpeded deployments. In the case of my PC's, I use the length of the canopy plus the crown lines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #66 January 9, 2009 Quote I'm putting together a new (0ld) para-commander rig and this line looks way too short. (maybe five feet). I think I'll put a new one on, a little longer than the sleeve. (maybe ten or twelve feet long.) Does that sound about right?..... That bridal length has to be long enough for the sleeve to clear out of the way of the deployment. Mine PC had a D-bag on it. Sleves are nice because they protect the canopy from Nylon against Nylon (from the S Folds) friction. And, both were fairly easy to pack. I always liked the bag though?? The guys with sleeves felt they didn't have to be as careful flaking the panels (NOT True!). After changing over to a sleeve, I changed back shortly after. Just a thought... Try this link... http://www.parachutehistory.com/round/pc.html Let me know when you get it together. I'd like to jump it!Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewhilton 1 #67 January 9, 2009 QuoteHowever, if I do remember correctly the Comp PC had a much larger rear window & the turning slots were longer than a Mk I. Slots diagram attached showing differences between Mk1 , Mk2 and Competition PCs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #68 January 10, 2009 Hi steve, There were two schools of thought: 1. A 'very' long retainer line to let the sleeve & pilot chute hang way over the canopy. 2. A rather short retainer line ( about 10" - 18" ) to keep the sleeve laying right in the depressed crown line area. This is the method that I used & would do still if setting up a PC. Take your choice or try both and see what fits you, JerryBaumchen PS) I always preferred a bridle line of about 5'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #69 January 10, 2009 Hi andrew, Nicely done. I had forgotten that the Mk II had one less turning slot. I always was of the opinion that the Mk II ( which had a very short life in sales; it was on the market for only about 1 year ) was built for two reasons: 1. Cheaper as lots of the gores were identical. 2. Had less forward speed which worked better for the Europeans who would not competitively jump in the winds that we would continue to jump/compete in here in the USA. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #70 January 10, 2009 Thanks all, I bought a competition model P.C. a while back. I thought I was buying a MK-1. Then I found out that the competition model was more likely to malfunction due to the large hole in the back which can cause frontal closures. I also found out that they land quite a bit harder than the MK-1. This canopy and container were in remarkably good condition though. So, I was wondering what to do with it. I figured I could always make a para-sail out of it. I was reading through the para-commander hand book and got some good ideas. I had a rigger shorten the two tall turning slots and sew in a data panel to cover the big hole in back. It's still short lined. I hope it won't land much harder than a MK-1. Now all I need to do is get it in the air. I should have it at Lost Prairie this summer, if anyone wants to try it out. I did jump a para-commander a few years back. It had been about 35 years since I had jumped a P.C. I landed like a ton of bricks, (seeing as how I'm now a fat old bastard). My Frenchies enabled me to stand it up though. It was kind of fun showing all the young "Whippersnappers" how it was done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #71 January 12, 2009 KEWL.. RED RIG..... Me Likee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JnL 0 #72 January 22, 2009 Mine is red, white and blue, anyone know the stock name? Johnny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #73 January 22, 2009 No idea what it's called, I'd guess something with "USA" and/or "stars and stripes" in it LOL, I got some pics of same from our vintage weekend so now it's our national "Red White & Blue" ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #74 January 22, 2009 My new (old) P.C. is this color too. Red, white, and blue. Don't have a clue what it's called. Randy Jones had that color back in the day....Are you out there Randy???? My favorite is still the Red Devil.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JnL 0 #75 January 22, 2009 My firs P.C. was a church window, then moved on to a solid orange. Johnny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
