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39 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I'm not selling anything. I turn down interviews. I refused money from History Channel and Comcast Sports Net. I said no to a crappy movie script and that caused me to lose a few thousand bucks a year. No big deal. I don't need money that bad. The book on KC is in wholesale...so nothing I say publicly will affect sales one way or another. Wholesale buyers don't read internet posts about books. They look at the Ingram catalog and make their decisions from that. 

It is what it is. You don't like what it is. Welcome to the Reality Hotel. 

No, Blevins your reality is a mess,,

I don't care if you sell KC, that is your choice. I judge suspects by the evidence not the advocate.

My point is that I choose not to sell a suspect so I do not need to share my research to defend myself.

It is not my responsibility to educate you or anyone.

Of course, you won't understand the difference, it is above a part time super secret agent pay grade.

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2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Tom Kaye Part 2

 

 

The takeaway is that the money went into the Columbia River in a Spring from 72-79.. 

Eric's burial/retrieval theory is flawed as he claimed the only Spring that the River reached the money was during either the '72 or '74 extreme flood events. This is false, those recorded floods reached about the 21 ft mark and the money was at about the 5.5-7.5 foot mark. That puts the money 12-15 feet underwater.. but the Columbia River reaches the money spot every year and the Spring is highest seasonal water flow. So, you don't need a record flood event to reach the money spot and it isn't restricted to the floods of 72 and 74. It could be any Spring from 72-79. So, Cooper would have had to retrieve money well under the water in 72, the theory is extreme speculation and is IMO borderline ridiculous. Cooper could have buried the money anywhere and he chose next to a River (damaging it) then returned 6 months later to dig it up 15 feet underwater,, silly stuff.

What does make sense is that the money went into the Columbia in the spring 72-79. While the money spot was underwater the money was pushed along what would then essentially be the bottom of the river to its spot.

Suction dredge doesn't seem to make sense. Never did really.

The question is, where was the money after the hijacking and how did it get into the River.

Another note.. A Sioux City Sarsaparilla Soda can was found with the money in the same layer.. that was not sold until 1974. It is not related to Cooper but may date the debris deposit.

I have several theories,, one is entirely new that would blow up the Cooper case for a while. I have been researching it but can't prove anything. I was going to post it but it is too much work to explain for now.

Another thing Tom and everyone still misses, is that the money went to Cooper in rubber banded bundles of packets, individual packets of 100 were rubber banded in groups. So, it probably arrived on TBAR as a single bundle. The money arrival is not constrained by three separate packets arriving together. For the money to arrive together as 3 separate packets they had to be separated from its rubber banded single bundle after Cooper got the money. Doesn't really make sense. The rubber band frags found attached to the money may have been holding the single bundle together.

The uniformly rounded ends of the bills suggest that the money tumbled as one bundle along the bottom before landing on TBAR. The Willamette bottom is gravel and the Columbia is sandy. One of my theories involves the Columbia and the other the Willamette.. none are suspect specific and both maintain the "FBI" flightpath and dropzone.

One other important consideration, if the money went into the River at least six months later (or more) and stayed intact until it reached TBAR that indicates human intervention. Since rubber bands begin to deteriorate outside within months that makes it unlikely the money landed somewhere and sat in nature until it got washed into the River.. the rubber bands would have deteriorated. So, there must have been some human intervention along the way.

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I hope you don't hinge your decision on whether to republish Ha Ha Ha on whether you get feedback here. I think we already know that you won't. But I'd bet that they'd buy copies if it were available. Rather, I'd hope that you would consult with the other three parties involved and determine whether there would be enough demand to justify it. It sounds as if Fenn people would be at least as good if not a better market than Cooper people. Someone on another thread says that Amazon does a thing where they'll publish a book but not print it until people order copies. Print on demand. Maybe that would make it easier?

Interesting that you were surprised at who wrote it. I don't expect you to name them, but I'm kind of surprised that you were familiar with them. I kind of expected it to be some outlier that nobody was aware of.

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26 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

I hope you don't hinge your decision on whether to republish Ha Ha Ha on whether you get feedback here. I think we already know that you won't. But I'd bet that they'd buy copies if it were available. Rather, I'd hope that you would consult with the other three parties involved and determine whether there would be enough demand to justify it. It sounds as if Fenn people would be at least as good if not a better market than Cooper people. Someone on another thread says that Amazon does a thing where they'll publish a book but not print it until people order copies. Print on demand. Maybe that would make it easier?

Interesting that you were surprised at who wrote it. I don't expect you to name them, but I'm kind of surprised that you were familiar with them. I kind of expected it to be some outlier that nobody was aware of.

The irony is that the Fenn crowd are driving the book demand based on Fenn being Cooper and the author, but to print more copies the author who isn't Fenn or Cooper must agree..

The world serves up some really strange things..

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Kaye already said human intervention was involved. He said that years ago when he and his team first published their Citizen Sleuths website. Only he used the term 'human hands'. 

You guys always want to make the Tina Bar money so complicated.

I have a much simpler answer. It's just a THEORY. Part of it is based on the fact that I was living near Seattle before and after the hijacking. 

In the weeks and months prior to the Statute of Limitations coming up on Cooper, especially in the DAYS prior...there was mucho TV and newspaper speculation going on about what Cooper might do once that date came and went. Maybe he would show some of the money to media and go tell the Feds to screw themselves. Maybe he would participate in a movie as a consultant and get the big bucks afterward. Maybe...maybe. All everyone knew is that the news was full of ideas about it. 

Then the day comes. November 24, 1976. 

Then...the news tells everyone that the Portland FBI did an end-around move on Cooper and wangled themselves a John Doe warrant, which they managed to get past a friendly Federal judge by only going for the hijacker himself and not any possible accomplices.

Nice job circumventing the Constitution, I must say. 

Undoubtedly, Cooper heard about this action. Must have been a real bummer, a crushing disappointment. One minute you are planning a Freedom Party and waiting for the announcement on TV with a bourbon and soda in your hand....

And the next minute you hear that the FBI just dogged the hell out of you and that they will now be hunting you the rest of your life.

The question then becomes, What Do You DO? 

My theory is that sometime after that date, Cooper decided to try and throw off the FBI. Maybe make them think he was dead. But how do you do that? If you dump some money out in the woods near the landing zone, and it gets found, the FBI will do a thorough search of the area, and finding nothing else...conclude that Cooper either dropped the money or it is a deliberate plant. That would tell the FBI that he is still alive, and they will redouble their efforts to find him. 

No...that won't work. Plus someone finding money like that in good condition might just decide to keep it anyway. 

You COULD toss some of it into Lake Merwin. The FBI thought Cooper landed somewhere nearby to the lake. Nah...that won't work either. The money would just sink to the bottom and never be found. Might as well paint the word MONEY on a rock and toss it in for all the good that would do. 

The answer is to use the Columbia River. A big, heavy moving body of water that would damage the evidence but might not totally destroy it. Put the money into a bag or something and toss it into the Columbia. Do it at a spot where people don't visit much. Maybe just upstream from Tina Bar, for example. The money washes up nearby and is eventually buried by dredge spoils. Someone finds it, but it takes years. But it IS eventually discovered. But the money asks more questions that it actually answers. No one can figure it out. It is miles off the flight path. How the hell did it get there? Does this mean Cooper went into the Columbia and drowned, and this is the only remains of his crime?

The FBI thinks that is exactly what happened. They say so. They start scaling back the budget for the Cooper case. Cooper hears about this stuff on television, or reads it in the papers. He pumps his fist in the air. 

He knows he isn't still free and clear yet, but some of the heat has just come off. And as the following years pass, the trail grows even colder than before. 

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EDIT: Regarding the HA HA HA book: Frankly, I don't trust some of you in Cooperland. I figure if I get real enthusiastic responses on the idea of a reprint from known folks in Cooperland...chances are you won't stab me in the back like you did when I was working with Sheridan Peterson. So if there isn't a real good response, I'm not going to do it. You have to show me you can be trusted this time, otherwise you can do it yourself. This effort would cost me close to a thousand bucks, perhaps more depending on how far I want to take the advertising with the Ingram New Release Catalog, etc. I am not putting out that money unless I'm sure. So I will leave the decision up to you. You understand that since I didn't write this book, or co author it...that far more than half the royalties do NOT go to AB of Seattle. They go to three different other people first, then we get our small share. And it is way smaller than they receive. So yes, it would take me a year or two just to recoup my expenses, not counting the rather difficult work involved in republishing at least to the standards of the original. This shit is not easy, folks.   

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1 minute ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Kaye already said human intervention was involved. He said that years ago when he and his team first published their Citizen Sleuths website. Only he used the term 'human hands'. 

You guys always want to make the Tina Bar money so complicated.

I have a much simpler answer. It's just a THEORY. Part of it is based on the fact that I was living near Seattle before and after the hijacking. 

In the weeks and months prior to the Statute of Limitations coming up on Cooper, especially in the DAYS prior...there was mucho TV and newspaper speculation going on about what Cooper might do once that date came and went. Maybe he would show some of the money to media and go tell the Feds to screw themselves. Maybe he would participate in a movie as a consultant and get the big bucks afterward. Maybe...maybe. All everyone knew is that the news was full of ideas about it. 

Then the day comes. November 24, 1976. 

Then...the news tells everyone that the Portland FBI did an end-around move on Cooper and wangled themselves a John Doe warrant, which they managed to get past a friendly Federal judge by only going for the hijacker himself and not any possible accomplices.

Nice job circumventing the Constitution, I must say. 

Undoubtedly, Cooper heard about this action. Must have been a real bummer, a crushing disappointment. One minute you are planning a Freedom Party and waiting for the announcement on TV with a bourbon and soda in your hand....

And the next minute you hear that the FBI just dogged the hell out of you and that they will now be hunting you the rest of your life.

The question then becomes, What Do You DO? 

My theory is that sometime after that date, Cooper decided to try and throw off the FBI. Maybe make them think he was dead. But how do you do that? If you dump some money out in the woods near the landing zone, and it gets found, the FBI will do a thorough search of the area, and finding nothing else...conclude that Cooper either dropped the money or it is a deliberate plant. That would tell the FBI that he is still alive, and they will redouble their efforts to find him. 

No...that won't work. Plus someone finding money like that in good condition might just decide to keep it anyway. 

You COULD toss some of it into Lake Merwin. The FBI thought Cooper landed somewhere nearby to the lake. Nah...that won't work either. The money would just sink to the bottom and never be found. Might as well paint the word MONEY on a rock and toss it in for all the good that would do. 

The answer is to use the Columbia River. A big, heavy moving body of water that would damage the evidence but might not totally destroy it. Put the money into a bag or something and toss it into the Columbia. Do it at a spot where people don't visit much. Maybe just upstream from Tina Bar, for example. The money washes up nearby and is eventually buried by dredge spoils. Someone finds it, but it takes years. But it IS eventually discovered. But the money asks more questions that it actually answers. No one can figure it out. It is miles off the flight path. How the hell did it get there? Does this mean Cooper went into the Columbia and drowned, and this is the only remains of his crime?

The FBI thinks that is exactly what happened. They say so. They start scaling back the budget for the Cooper case. Cooper hears about this stuff on television, or reads it in the papers. He pumps his fist in the air. 

He knows he isn't still free and clear yet, but some of the heat has just come off. And as the following years pass, the trail grows even colder than before.   

You, like usual, fail to understand the point.. Kaye mentioned human intervention earlier because TBAR was 20 miles from the dropzone.

I am pointing out human intervention because of the new diatom evidence and delay in entering the River.

If the money was sitting out in nature for six months or more then went into the river the rubber bands would have been deteriorated before it entered. So, the delay between NORJAK and entering the river must have involved human intervention at some point.. that is a different argument than Tom had prior.

The idea that Cooper threw money into the Columbia with the expectation of it being found to throw off investigators is as looney as Eric' burial/retrieval theory.. If you throw a bundle into the Columbia the expectation is that it would not be found. If somebody threw it in the River it was to discard it. Your theory is ridiculous.

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1 minute ago, FLYJACK said:

You, like usual, fail to understand the point.. Kaye mentioned human intervention earlier because TBAR was 20 miles from the dropzone.

I am pointing out human intervention because of the new diatom evidence and delay in entering the River.

If the money was sitting out in nature for six months or more then went into the river the rubber bands would have been deteriorated before it entered. So, the delay between NORJAK and entering the river must have involved human intervention at some point.. that is a different argument than Tom had prior.

The idea that Cooper threw money into the Columbia with the expectation of it being found to throw off investigators is as looney as Eric' burial/retrieval theory.. If you throw a bundle into the Columbia the expectation is that it would not be found. If somebody threw it in the River it was to discard it. Your theory is ridiculous.

Well...maybe the money just grew legs and WALKED that twenty miles from the flight path. We already know a natural delivery by water is fairly impossible. My theory isn't ridiculous. It simply takes into account that Cooper probably watched TV and read the damn papers...the scores of articles about him published for years, the endless announcements on television, even the damn party about him down in Ariel. Cooper wasn't a robot. Sometimes you have to put yourself into someone else's shoes to figure out what might motivate them to try something like I described. 

The big problem with the diatom theory isn't identifying the timing of the diatoms. That would only point you to a time frame when Cooper might have done as I described. If Kaye says springtime...then maybe Cooper dumped the money in the spring of 1977. You have to remember the Human Factor. It is YOUR expectation that the money would not be found. Maybe Cooper decided to take a chance it WOULD be found. 

And look what happened...somebody DID find it. B)

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10 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Well...maybe the money just grew legs and WALKED that twenty miles from the flight path. We already know a natural delivery by water is fairly impossible. My theory isn't ridiculous. It simply takes into account that Cooper probably watched TV and read the damn papers...the scores of articles about him published for years, the endless announcements on television, even the damn party about him down in Ariel. Cooper wasn't a robot. Sometimes you have to put yourself into someone else's shoes to figure out what might motivate them to try something like I described. 

The big problem with the diatom theory isn't identifying the timing of the diatoms. That would only point you to a time frame when Cooper might have done as I described. If Kaye says springtime...then maybe Cooper dumped the money in the spring of 1977. You have to remember the Human Factor. It is YOUR expectation that the money would not be found. Maybe Cooper decided to take a chance it WOULD be found. 

And look what happened...somebody DID find it. B)

No Blevins, if somebody tossed a bundle of money into the Columbia River there is no reasonable expectation in the real world that it would be found. Your theory is pure looney tunes.

If it was tossed it was to dispose of it.

My point about the human intervention makes a money landing near the Columbia then washed in by natural means very unlikely. Many people argue this idea shifting the dropzone south, but if the money sat for at least six months in nature before naturally entering the River then the rubber bands would have deteriorated before it entered.

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5 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

It's a good video, but with comments turned off I'm not surprised Nicholas only has SIX subscribers and less than 20 views to the video.

No one, and I mean NO ONE refuses to watch a Youtube video because comments are turned off. Perhaps he should do like you do and allow comments, only to delete the ones that disagree with the narrative of the poster of the video. That is what you do....

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40 minutes ago, ParrotheadVol said:

No one, and I mean NO ONE refuses to watch a Youtube video because comments are turned off. Perhaps he should do like you do and allow comments, only to delete the ones that disagree with the narrative of the poster of the video. That is what you do....

Since you haven't seen the comments I deleted (if any, I only check for comments maybe once or twice a YEAR)...then you don't know my policy on deletion. It's actually pretty simple. I don't allow people to get personal on me. They do that, they are gone like yesterday. But I do allow comments. And if it were true that a no-comment policy didn't have an effect, Nicholas would have more than six subscribers and 33 views to Part Two. Hell, I got more than that when I posted up a three-second video:

Look...as far as YouTube goes, if you publish videos there and people see that comments aren't allowed...often they don't bother watching the video. Unless it is major, big time news or something. It's no big deal to me one way or another. That's you guys 'thing,' not mine.

It's kind of like that weird policy at the Cooper Forum. You guys post up links pointing people to this or that...and no one can see them except registered members. And you guys average around 20 active participants, at most, at any given time. Not exactly great SEO policy, but Shutter likes it I guess. Kind of shuts out the public though. 

One of the funniest examples was when Eric had to spell out the website for one of his conventions, in a weird sort of way, so EVERYONE would know where to find the site. No wonder so many videos destined for the Cooper Forum end up getting posted here as well. At least the public can see the links. 

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31 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Since you haven't seen the comments I deleted (if any, I only check for comments maybe once or twice a YEAR)...then you don't know my policy on deletion. It's actually pretty simple. I don't allow people to get personal on me. They do that, they are gone like yesterday. But I do allow comments. And if it were true that a no-comment policy didn't have an effect, Nicholas would have more than six subscribers and 33 views to Part Two. Hell, I got more than that when I posted up a three-second video:

Look...as far as YouTube goes, if you publish videos there and people see that comments aren't allowed...often they don't bother watching the video. Unless it is major, big time news or something. It's no big deal to me one way or another. That's you guys 'thing,' not mine.

It's kind of like that weird policy at the Cooper Forum. You guys post up links pointing people to this or that...and no one can see them except registered members. And you guys average around 20 active participants, at most, at any given time. Not exactly great SEO policy, but Shutter likes it I guess. Kind of shuts out the public though. 

One of the funniest examples was when Eric had to spell out the website for one of his conventions, in a weird sort of way, so EVERYONE would know where to find the site. No wonder so many videos destined for the Cooper Forum end up getting posted here as well. At least the public can see the links. 

Wrong. I've posted several comments on your videos and they were all deleted. Nothing personal, but in full disagreement of the KC narrative. Every single one not allowed. You have no leg to stand on here.

 

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Wrong. I've posted several comments on your videos and they were all deleted. Nothing personal, but in full disagreement of the KC narrative. Every single one not allowed. You have no leg to stand on here.

 

I've posted several times as well, under other peoples YouTube pages and they never seen the light of day. he's like a college campus shutting down anything they disagree with. then he has the "do as I say and not as I do" mentality. 

He continues to try and tell Eric what to do with his events, blasting no video taken. where's his video's or pictures from past events?  now, he has to exceed 220 people at his event since he made the claim of easily beating Eric's attendance with his upcoming event. he can't LIE and say he "already has the permit" now..

Fly is 100% correct about Kenny. the evidence is just not there. he has a bunch of people saying things. actually, it's hard to say what these people have said about Kenny since he speaks for every single person attached to Kenny. 

Lol, I've watched dozens of video's in the last week that have comments turned off. his video's were like that for a long time, then went to approval comments, haven't a clue what settings he has now. 

 

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3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

You, like usual, fail to understand the point.. Kaye mentioned human intervention earlier because TBAR was 20 miles from the dropzone.

I am pointing out human intervention because of the new diatom evidence and delay in entering the River.

If the money was sitting out in nature for six months or more then went into the river the rubber bands would have been deteriorated before it entered. So, the delay between NORJAK and entering the river must have involved human intervention at some point.. that is a different argument than Tom had prior.

The idea that Cooper threw money into the Columbia with the expectation of it being found to throw off investigators is as looney as Eric' burial/retrieval theory.. If you throw a bundle into the Columbia the expectation is that it would not be found. If somebody threw it in the River it was to discard it. Your theory is ridiculous.

If the FBI hadn't come knocking on Cooper's door by the time the Statute of Limitations expired there was no reason to expect that they would ever do so.

Throwing some money in the Columbia River or a hole on the beach and expecting it to be found is simply not realistic.   

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53 minutes ago, Coopericane said:

Why should he be obligated to have comments on? I think realistically not a huge amount of people are going to seek out the videos much less want to leave a comment. Those interested are probably already aware of other places to discuss the content of the presentation (like here).

The percentage of comments vs views are usually not equal..quick glance at a few shows a video with over 7 million views having a little over 8,000 comments..another has almost 4,000 views showing only 46 comments..it's just more of his false projections..

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If your comments to my YouTube videos were deleted...you probably deserved it anyway. 

Why the hell should I allow your opinions to MY videos? I don't get to respond at the Cooper Forum when you guys talk your smack about me. What is good for the goose is good for the gander baby. You can't have your cake and eat it too. 

As far as your opinions on KC, they are moot and mean zip to me. We all know in this room that if the Cooper case were actually solved, and I mean FOR REAL, websites about Cooper, conventions about Cooper, discussions about Cooper...all of it would come crashing down in a month or two. No one would care any more. So anyone who actually gets close, or may have the answer is automatically seen as a threat. None of you want it to end. 

And some of you live for the discussion, even creating a whole community about it. So whether you realize it or not, you don't really WANT to know the answer, to end the mystery. You wouldn't know what to do with your spare time. B) 

So your opinions are slanted, and sometimes they get personal. Hell no...I wouldn't let you (Shutter) or you (Parrot) anywhere near my videos at YouTube. Same thing goes for Bruce Smith. Peas in a pod. You all support each other's BS on the internet. You supported the theft of Sheridan Peterson's life's work and spoke against my efforts to get you to do the right thing. If you had any character at all, you would do a little self policing occasionally. I can't stop what you do or say...but by God you ain't doing it on MY TURF. No effen way baby. 

And frankly...I hope you don't like it. ^.^

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2 hours ago, Andrade1812 said:

Does anyone have information on how fast the Columbia currents move at flood stage? And bonus points if we can get the currents during the 72 and 74 floods.

The data for the last 5 years peaked at about 3.8 ft/sec.. or 2.6 mph.

 

 

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Since you haven't seen the comments I deleted (if any, I only check for comments maybe once or twice a YEAR)...then you don't know my policy on deletion. It's actually pretty simple. I don't allow people to get personal on me. They do that, they are gone like yesterday.

The comments I posted 5 or 6 times over the years were related to evidence surrounding Kenny having nothing to do with you. I've used multiple accounts through friends to post. I recall one being about falsehoods in your book and that you were aware of them. the others were about not believing Kenny was Cooper. I even had someone else write the post. it's been over a year so unlike your witnesses, I don't recall exactly what was written..

According to the quote above, someone could say bad things about you and not get deleted for 6 months then you fail to respond to comments for 6 months?.. I only check for comments maybe once or twice a YEAR...sounds like a lie to me..

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I don't get to respond at the Cooper Forum when you guys talk your smack about me

YOU put yourself in that position. I didn't join under a false name to cause trouble. 

Yep, you were not welcome when the forum started due to your behavior. not my fault.

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If your comments to my YouTube videos were deleted...you probably deserved it anyway.

Some of my comments on YouTube were under accounts you didn't know, so how is it deserving? 

 

 

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As far as your opinions on KC, they are moot and mean zip to me. 

They are for the "public" to see and decide if it's "moot" that's how it works..

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48 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

I can't take Blevins BS anymore..

Blevins you are blocked, ignore activated.

And like Tommy Lee Jones told Harrison Ford in the movie, The Fugitive....

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"I don't CARE...." B)

Same goes for Shutter. Especially HIM. I do not show respect to people who support lies and thievery. Which is exactly what you and your members did to 96-year-old Sheridan Peterson. For what? So a couple of your members could obtain bragging copies for a convention? Thereby cheating Sheridan's family out of their due book royalties? The less I hear from you, the better off I will be. 

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I don't want a drop of respect from you Robert. lots are starting to call you out pal..

I haven't a clue who got copies of what..stop whining about this and contact the family and "do the right thing" it's none of my business nor is it any of my responsibility..your barking up the wrong tree fool. contact Snow right here..I can't make anyone do anything outside of my forum. 

Peterson was in a love hate relationship with everyone, including YOU. he loved the book, then hated it, loved snow and then hated him, he ended his relationship with 377 who never spoke bad about anyone. Peterson said you were in his gang (CIA)..the guy was more unstable with things than you. 

It bothers you that much, deal with it on your own time. stop wasting everyone else's time. 

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5 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

The irony is that the Fenn crowd are driving the book demand based on Fenn being Cooper and the author, but to print more copies the author who isn't Fenn or Cooper must agree.

While that is true, I bet some of them would read it anyway, because the curiosity is already there.

 

5 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

EDIT: Regarding the HA HA HA book: Frankly, I don't trust some of you in Cooperland. I figure if I get real enthusiastic responses on the idea of a reprint from known folks in Cooperland...chances are you won't stab me in the back like you did when I was working with Sheridan Peterson. So if there isn't a real good response, I'm not going to do it. You have to show me you can be trusted this time, otherwise you can do it yourself. This effort would cost me close to a thousand bucks, perhaps more depending on how far I want to take the advertising with the Ingram New Release Catalog, etc. I am not putting out that money unless I'm sure. So I will leave the decision up to you. You understand that since I didn't write this book, or co author it...that far more than half the royalties do NOT go to AB of Seattle. They go to three different other people first, then we get our small share. And it is way smaller than they receive. So yes, it would take me a year or two just to recoup my expenses, not counting the rather difficult work involved in republishing at least to the standards of the original. This shit is not easy, folks.   

Might I suggest that this is the wrong approach. I mean if you don't really want to do it, then just say so. But predicating it on other people's support... You know you're not going to get it. So by asking for it, it just sounds like you're using the situation to try to manipulate people. Besides, you've spent much of this page (and many times before) saying that you don't care what they think. Rather, like I suggested before, you should consult with the other parties involved and determine if there is enough demand for the book to justify it. I'm guessing many Cooper people who don't post will want to read it. And the Fenn people. And I bet that some of these people you argue with, if they never got a copy from the Ariel parties, they'd probably get one too. As for the money, wouldn't the other parties contribute to the costs? Maybe you could structure a deal with them so the initial royalties would go to recoup costs, then revert to the standard structure. Anyway, I'm hoping you'll do it because I would like to read the damn thing. And I'm guessing I'm not alone in that. So if the other three parties involved would like to see it done, then you should do it. It would be the right thing to do.

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I remember hearing an interview long ago, I don't remember if it was an actor or director, but it was somebody to do with the movies. They were asked if they would rather their movie win an academy award, or make 100 million at the box office. They said they would rather make the 100 mil. "But", they said,"not necessarily for the cynical reason you imagine. If", they continued, "it wins an Oscar, that means we impressed a handful of stuffed shirts at the academy. If it does well at the box office, that means we impressed the people."

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18 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

I don't want a drop of respect from you Robert. lots are starting to call you out pal..

I haven't a clue who got copies of what..stop whining about this and contact the family and "do the right thing" it's none of my business nor is it any of my responsibility..your barking up the wrong tree fool. contact Snow right here..I can't make anyone do anything outside of my forum. 

Peterson was in a love hate relationship with everyone, including YOU. he loved the book, then hated it, loved snow and then hated him, he ended his relationship with 377 who never spoke bad about anyone. Peterson said you were in his gang (CIA)..the guy was more unstable with things than you. 

It bothers you that much, deal with it on your own time. stop wasting everyone else's time. 

Sure. It bothers me sometimes. I don't lose sleep over it, although I feel sorry for Sheridan's daughter sometimes. It was SHE who would have been the recipient of the royalties. 

All well and good on your explanations...except for three pretty hard facts that no matter how much you try to weasel...are laid at YOUR DOOR:

  • While Snownman was busy stealing Sheridan's book, he was doing it...and bragging about it...on YOUR WEBSITE. And at the same time, I was asking you to put a stop to it. You were also seeing my posts here at Dropzone showing you Sheridan's copyright record. Well, I guess that's three things right there. 
     
  • When you and Snownman saw my objections to the whole thing, you allowed him to make posts where he laughs about all that. And makes fun of my efforts to talk him out of doing it and get a proper contract with Sheridan. I also suggested a print-on-demand arrangement with Lulu dot com that would only provide copies to people who just had to have one, without violating Sheridan's copyright. And...to NOT assign an ISBN number to the book...since that leaves a worldwide record forever, making it tough for any other publisher to take the book on legitimately LATER. You ignored that as well, and said you didn't care. Okay...that's like four or five things I guess. 
     
  • When all was said and done and the book was stolen and published at a ridiculous 25 bucks a copy in paperback, where it immediately dropped to the bottom of the sales barrel at Amazon....I came back later and asked you to approach Snownman, maybe with some your members as well...and convince him to turn the book over to us instead. And then give us the name of a Sheridan Peterson family member so we could republish worldwide at the fair trade rate...and contract the royalties to one of his family members. You made fun of, and refused to do that as well. You provided the website, the support, and the means. You are as responsible as everyone else who was involved. It was done through discussions at YOUR WEBSITE. That's like FIVE things or something...
     
  • At the end of it all, the book sits at Amazon and doesn't sell because it is ridiculously priced, available ONLY at that price, and has no worldwide distribution. And you and your friends...did that. It was one of the lowest things I had ever seen someone do to a half-blind, sick old man, sitting in a retirement home in Santa Rosa, CA. You should be ashamed. You should man up and do something about it. But you won't. You never do a thing wrong, even when you do. 

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