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9 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

It is extremely doubtful that Hahneman was a member of a flight crew doing missions. During WW2, the vast majority of enlisted personnel who were trained in radar systems operation and maintenance for the Army Air Corps (later, Air Force) were ground crew. Airborne radar WAS used by the Air Corps during the war, but it was limited for a number of reasons. Most radar systems used by the Army Air Corps in WW2 were ground-based. And anyone who was actually a member of an air crew, and if they WERE responsible for airborne radar would have been an officer. 

The FBI said he served on an aircrew in WW2, a navigator. Later, he was a radio/radar electronics engineer... His records were destroyed in the 1973 fire.

The FBI claimed he also served in Korea and Vietnam but I can't find those records yet. He also worked as a contractor for Military, NASA, USAID and CIA linked companies all over the world.. he also had high level security clearances.

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8 hours ago, ParrotheadVol said:

This being the case, I've never understood the argument that Cooper was a novice because he opened up the only good front chute he had. If he couldn't use either, then he really didn't have a good one at all. Right?

Exactly, it is a weak assumption to back up a weak argument.

He couldn't really use either front chute. You can tie on without D rings but it is inconvenient and sketchy.

Cooper had jump experience, certainly military.

The dummy was unique in that it was not sealed and had no packing card, it is a reasonable assumption that was why it was tossed whole. If he had opened it to use part of it pieces would have been left on the plane.

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2 hours ago, mrshutter45 said:

Also, you might want to stop claiming sketches can be off and then proudly post Kenny's picture next to a Cooper sketch as proof he could be Cooper? 

Yup, KC does resemble Sketch A but not the most accurate Sketch B... (FBI)

Blevins never acknowledges this.. instead he claims sketches are unreliable.. 

My fav is KC is not Latin/Mex swarthy olive,, Blevins; he had a tan in November and witnesses were inconsistent. 

or it wasn't Cooper's tie... 

Blevins just makes it up.

 

So, if we toss the sketch, toss witnesses, toss the tie then almost anyone can be Cooper.

 

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My view on the chutes based on assessment of all the info.. this may not be exact but close.

 

Cooper requested 2 front and 2 back chutes.

Himmelsbach claimed he requested them from McChord.

McChord either didn't have them or rejected the request.

Cossey was contacted at home and forwarded the request to Emerick at Issaquah Skysports.

Cossey believed the 2 fronts and 2 backs to used were his from Issaquah.

Hayden was also contacted and agreed to send in two back chutes. He claimed the chutes were the same but never saw the canopies.

Emerick was informed they now only needed the two fronts.

He grabbed 2 fronts, a good one and a dummy chute.

(speculation is that he intentionally grabbed the unsealed dummy)

Hayden's back chute SN 226 and the other SN 60-9707 with the two front chutes from Issaquah were sent to the plane. Both backs packed by Cossey May 21,1971.

Early on both back chutes were described as having burp sacks, that is consistent with Hayden's chutes not Cossey's.

Cooper was told (incorrectly) by the crew the chutes were coming from McChord.

In Reno, the dummy was missing, the good front was cut apart and back chute SN 226 was found intact with the SN 60-9707 packing card. Chute SN 226 found on the plane was returned to Hayden in 1975.

Cooper used SN 60-9707 Pioneer back chute but had left the packing card behind.

Cossey was contacted and told a Pioneer back chute was left in the plane. Cossey incorrectly assumed the one Cooper took was his modified NB6/8 from Issaquah. There is no corroboration for Cossey's description.

Cossey learned that the back chutes came from Hayden but never corrected his error.

Cossey never supplied the serial numbers for the chutes he packed for Hayden. He claimed that he gave all his records to the FBI. He did not.

Over the years Cossey told various lies to cover for his initial error, even claiming his chutes were used and one was returned to him.

The FBI relying on Cossey and his (incorrect) back chute description falsely eliminated many chutes found over the years.

The Cooper chute SN 60-9707 may have been found already.

 

 

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'The FBI said he (Hahneman) served on an aircrew in WW2, a navigator. Later, he was a radio/radar electronics engineer... His records were destroyed in the 1973 fire.

The FBI claimed he also served in Korea and Vietnam but I can't find those records yet. He also worked as a contractor for Military, NASA, USAID and CIA linked companies all over the world.. he also had high level security clearances...'

 

Okay, enough of this. These are some fairly large claims and are far off what is already known about him. 

I am not saying you are lying about his military record. Or that the fire in St Louis didn't destroy a lot of records. However, in most cases the DD-214 can be obtained, and for the last 48 years teams have been restoring those records using company records, etc. DD-214's are a record of discharge which lists the person's MOS (military job, basically) among other things. Even the FBI can't figure out a person's military history without seeing some of the official records.

How the New York Times got their information on Hahneman regarding his military history was probably by interviewing family member(s) after the hijacking. 

You have expanded Hahneman's military history to a great degree, and claim he was a contractor for everyone including NASA and the CIA, yet you offer absolutely no evidence to support these claims. You cannot expect people to believe all this stuff without some kind of evidence you know. Even though Kenny Christiansen's records were also destroyed in the fire, we were able to obtain his DD-214 and his enlistment record. You really should offer up something here, otherwise people will assume you either embellished the truth or you just don't know. Or you just decided to make up your own history on Hahneman. Let's face it. You keep expanding his history.   Until you can confirm some of these claims, I will believe the New York Times article that says Hahneman was a radar tech. If you are inventing a history for Hahneman to link him to the hijacking, you should stop that right now unless you can present something to support that history. 

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4 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Yup, KC does resemble Sketch A but not the most accurate Sketch B... (FBI)

Blevins never acknowledges this.. instead he claims sketches are unreliable.. 

My fav is KC is not Latin/Mex swarthy olive,, Blevins; he had a tan in November and witnesses were inconsistent. 

or it wasn't Cooper's tie... 

Blevins just makes it up.

So, if we toss the sketch, toss witnesses, toss the tie then almost anyone can be Cooper.

 

It's true Kenny looks eerily like at least one of the sketches. It is ALSO true that even when Lyle Christiansen and Skipp Porteous thought so too...that I told them it wasn't enough to go on. It really is not. 

I don't just make up stuff, by the way. 

Yes...the witnesses were inconsistent. Gray points this out very well in his book, and he's the only guy ever to get access to the original, handwritten witness statements. The ones taken down by FBI agents right after the hijacking. 

The case for or against Christiansen does not rely on witness reports, any more than the case against Gary Ridgway, aka The Green River Killer. They had a sketch or two on him too. They also had eyewitnesses, one of whom actually followed Ridgway to his house once. But in the end, the sketches looked nothing like him and he was much shorter than the witnesses said. Even the cops at the Green River Task Force didn't recognize him from their own sketches plastered all over the walls of their offices. (When they had him there for questioning and took his saliva sample, the thing that finally caught him.)

Sooner or later you are going to have to present something, anything that at least RESEMBLES evidence regarding Hahneman. You cannot continue to keep embellishing his military and job history without providing something to back that up.  

SIDE NOTE: I am not a completely heartless, totally questioning bastard. But when people make extraordinary claims, some evidence or proof is usually required. Flyjack is not the only one in this boat. For example, what would people say if I kept claiming Christiansen was a paratrooper but couldn't produce his DD214? What is good for the goose is also good for the gander. 

 

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1 hour ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I don't just make up stuff, by the way. 

You cannot continue to keep embellishing his military and job history without providing something to back that up.  

You are making stuff up, I didn't embellish anything and I don't have to back it up for you.

You are under the mistaken belief that I owe you something.

I don't need to sell Hahneman, you needed to sell KC because he wasn't Cooper.

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2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

You are making stuff up, I didn't embellish anything and I don't have to back it up for you.

You are under the mistaken belief that I owe you something.

I don't need to sell Hahneman, you needed to sell KC because he wasn't Cooper.

You don't owe me a thing. But you have a boatload of nerve coming at me with 'KC wasn't Cooper' when you can't even provide a minuscule bit of proof regarding your military service claims on Hahneman. You have put him in at least two wars, possibly even Vietnam as a third, and claimed he worked with/for NASA, the CIA, and some other agencies. No...you do not owe me anything. But you DO owe every other Cooper fan an explanation, as well as the people who read your many posts. 

Unless you can prove ANY of this...I am calling baloney on it whether you like it or not. Personally, I think your claims on Hahneman's military service are a load of horseshit, to be frank about it. 

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58 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

You don't owe me a thing. But you have a boatload of nerve coming at me with 'KC wasn't Cooper' when you can't even provide a minuscule bit of proof regarding your military service claims on Hahneman. You have put him in at least two wars, possibly even Vietnam as a third, and claimed he worked with/for NASA, the CIA, and some other agencies. No...you do not owe me anything. But you DO owe every other Cooper fan an explanation, as well as the people who read your many posts. 

Unless you can prove ANY of this...I am calling baloney on it whether you like it or not. Personally, I think your claims on Hahneman's military service are a load of horseshit, to be frank about it. 

The FBI claimed he was on an aircrew in WW2, and in Korea and Vietnam.. I confirmed WW2 and his records were lost in the fire.. Like I said,, I can't get Korea and Vietnam records but I have confirmed he was in Vietnam for many years, I just can't confirm exactly what he was doing there. That is what I have been working on.. it looks like a combination of military and contractor.. I found a Vietnam image that is a 99% match for him but I can't be 100% sure.. If I told you what he was doing you would blow a gasket... There is no baloney..

You seem upset.

and I have thousands of pieces of information,, I don't owe it to anybody...

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22 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

You really can't confirm much, can you? You have also made some pretty far-fetched claims that go against the public record. Yeah...I know he was in WW2 as well. But you have gone beyond that one by miles. 

 

No that would be false,, it isn't my claim, it came from the FBI. That is a FACT. A term you seem to be unfamiliar with.

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22 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

No that would be false,, it isn't my claim, it came from the FBI. That is a FACT. A term you seem to be unfamiliar with.

What came from the FBI? I don't see them making posts here about Hahneman. If you are going to credit them with saying Fred H was in WW2...that much is already known. But you have been claiming he was in Korea as well, and did contract work for NASA and the CIA. 

If you have such proof of such work by FBI records, maybe you should produce at least a smidgen of it. Otherwise, no one will believe you. 

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1 hour ago, RobertMBlevins said:

What came from the FBI? I don't see them making posts here about Hahneman. If you are going to credit them with saying Fred H was in WW2...that much is already known. But you have been claiming he was in Korea as well, and did contract work for NASA and the CIA. 

If you have such proof of such work by FBI records, maybe you should produce at least a smidgen of it. Otherwise, no one will believe you. 

You see you can't read,, I said the FBI claimed he was also in Vietnam and Korea... I could not independently confirm his military records other than WW2, but I can confirm he was in Vietnam for many years. I am still trying to track his activities in Vietnam.. He was there, I just don't have a full picture of what he did there. His mother even said his experience there changed him..

So, you are making false claims AGAIN about what I said. What I said is 100% accurate.

I did find that he worked for many CIA contractors and backed companies including during the Guatemalan coup, USAID (CIA) and on a NASA contract. It is possible that he was sheep dipped.. that is really difficult to figure out.. He was all over the world... in crazy places during crazy incidents. None of that has anything to do with Cooper.

Many contractors worked for the CIA... that isn't a big deal.

And I don't really care if anyone believes me,, why should I?

 

Have you actually ever solved a case?

 

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You keep coming back to "The FBI told you...'

I have done this occasionally. That is, quoted the FBI, especially the Seattle FBI. 

But...when I did that I gave a name and exactly what they said. I gave the name of the agent in case people decided to check it out. I didn't just tell folks "The FBI told me..." and expect them to say, "That's great, Robert. Tell us more. We totally believe you."

Your claims are UNSOURCED. And as such, are completely worthless. 

 

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8 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

You keep coming back to "The FBI told you...'

I have done this occasionally. That is, quoted the FBI, especially the Seattle FBI. 

But...when I did that I gave a name and exactly what they said. I gave the name of the agent in case people decided to check it out. I didn't just tell folks "The FBI told me..." and expect them to say, "That's great, Robert. Tell us more. We totally believe you."

Your claims are UNSOURCED. And as such, are completely worthless. 

 

I stated the facts. "Worthless" is subjective. You seem to be calling me a liar with no facts to back it up.

I wasn't using the FBI's claim as evidence of anything. 

The FBI claimed he was in WW2, Korea and Vietnam.. that is vague.. I tried to independently confirm that but I can't get Korea and Vietnam military records. However, there is corroboration that he was in Vietnam for many years.

The FBI actually stated when he returned from Vietnam..

What I can't confirm is what he was doing there throughout all the years he was there.

One source says he was a pilot in Vietnam.. one says Vietnam vet, one says Vietnam and Cambodia, another says "paratrooper".. they may have meant parachuted.. and not in the Airborne Division. He was an electronics engineer.

I did find a pic I believe (99% sure) is him in Vietnam...

There is some info I am still trying to obtain that might give me more details..

 

There is no doubt he was in Vietnam, the question is what exactly was he doing while he was there.

 

 

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You continue to make claims without providing a source. No one's calling you a liar. But if you were a reporter for a newspaper and doing a story, the editor would tell you all claimed facts need to be SOURCED. Just saying the FBI told you without a single bit of evidence, a picture, a document, a name, etc is worthless.

You HAVE read the book All The President's Men, right? Or at least seen the movie? That is how it works. 

When I said that a senior FBI agent indicated to three witnesses in August 2016 that the REAL reason the FBI dropped the case was because they knew Cooper was Kenny Christiansen...and the reason being Christiansen was dead anyway...I named the people involved, the FBI agent himself, and even the date and place where all this happened. I still have all the emails about this, and my extensive notes from the phone calls. 

You make big claims yet provide nothing to back any of it up. Nothing. 

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1 hour ago, RobertMBlevins said:

You continue to make claims without providing a source. No one's calling you a liar. But if you were a reporter for a newspaper and doing a story, the editor would tell you all claimed facts need to be SOURCED. Just saying the FBI told you without a single bit of evidence, a picture, a document, a name, etc is worthless.

You HAVE read the book All The President's Men, right? Or at least seen the movie? That is how it works. 

When I said that a senior FBI agent indicated to three witnesses in August 2016 that the REAL reason the FBI dropped the case was because they knew Cooper was Kenny Christiansen...and the reason being Christiansen was dead anyway...I named the people involved, the FBI agent himself, and even the date and place where all this happened. I still have all the emails about this, and my extensive notes from the phone calls. 

You make big claims yet provide nothing to back any of it up. Nothing. 

I am not a newspaper reporter... so your premise is heretofore rejected.

and I wasn't making an argument.... lots of guys were in Vietnam.

 

what is the big deal..

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3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

I am not a newspaper reporter... so your premise is heretofore rejected.

and I wasn't making an argument.... lots of guys were in Vietnam.

what is the big deal..

The 'big deal' is that you are investigating a suspect whom you believe to be DB Cooper...

And at the same time rejecting other suspects without really being specific...

While at the same time making claim after claim about YOUR suspect...

Without offering the slightest shred of evidence or confirmation on practically everything you have claimed about your suspect. 

I never said I was 100% without-a-doubt Kenny was Cooper. But at least I offered up SOME support for the idea. An extensive report released publicly. No holding back on names, dates, places, PEOPLE. If you are going to continue to point to Hahneman as The Guy Who Got Away With It...maybe it's time you showed people how and why you are coming to that conclusion instead of just saying stuff like 'The FBI told me'. 

The only reason you aren't getting hammered on this by everyone else who reads this thread is because they hate ME more than they resent your claims made without any proof. ^_^ Not because they actually believe you. You have been promoting Hahneman as The Guy for quite a while now, and except for you jumping onto a possible Latin/Hispanic reference on the wanted poster...you have offered up absolutely zip regarding Hahneman. Maybe it's time you did. Trust me, it won't 'ruin' your investigation and people might start having more respect for you. 

EDIT: On a happier and more friendly note...we have received 46 applications through the AB of Seattle contact form to attend next July's Skywatch/DB Cooper party. A total of 29 slots still remain, although I will probably let that go to at least 50 additional before closing the webform and deleting the details on that specific page. (We do this because anyone who wants to go has to get on a list in order to receive the PDF with the maps and the contact information, along with a program and some suggestions on gear.) A lot of that has to do with safety issues. We need to know who is coming so we can make sure they get to the site safely. There is no actual 'address' so we take precautions. And I like to know who is getting the cell phone number, to be frank about it. We also do ham radio out there on a specific frequency, as well as CB radio...just in case someone gets lost and needs us to go back down the Forest Service road and show them where we are. (Probably won't need the radios. Cell service up there is confirmed.) Last year, everyone managed to find us, though. I try to pick places where it is really hard to lose your way, plus we do signs. When people ask me why we shell out the bucks to feed these people and do this particular event, my answer is simple. I just hate it that there are no more Cooper parties going down in Ariel. But tossing a party in November without doing it indoors is tricky, so we do it in July. 

Last time we had about a dozen no-shows, so I feel safe in going over the 75-person limit a bit. No link to the event in this post. There have been enough done here at DZ, and I am not that hard to find anyway. B) Meyer Louie, who is known to many of you reading this now, was one of the first to sign up. He lives over on the east side of the mountains now and we communicate pretty regularly. 

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On 10/23/2021 at 9:01 AM, ParrotheadVol said:

Let's just call a spade a spade.

Blevins is going to do anything he can to derail the event. There's a track record of such things. Anyone with half a brain knows that Marla isn't posting on Bruce's site. I also doubt that there are any reporters or anyone involved with the event that care about internet trolls. Most people are mature and smart enough to realize what a troll is and ignore it.

Can't remember if I addressed this comment or not, but am I going to derail, or attempt to derail Cooper Con? 

Not just NO...but HELL NO. The reason is simple. Because OUR event and Cooper Con are the only two remaining events in WA state that are Cooper-related. (Although ours has other subjects besides Cooper, yes.)

I never tried to derail the OTHER Cooper Con. I saw multiple posts that year just prior to the convention where some of the same people who were scheduled to speak at that convention were posting up that KC was a child rapist. And when I pointed out that I had interviewed many of KC's former neighbors, his friends, even some members of his family about this issue...and every single one of them denied this allegation...(even Kenneth M, the guy who lived with KC for years.) the posts continued. 

So...I emailed the staff at the Portland Yacht Club and asked them to tell Eric Ulis to instruct his speakers that if anyone was going to make filthy, unsupported allegations like that without offering proof, or at least a single witness...that I would hold the Yacht Club staff responsible for that. They were just supposed to tell Eric this stuff. 

Instead...without even replying to my email...they went to these posts (yes, I sent them links to the posts)...and decided to cancel the whole damn thing. So who created this situation? Me? 

No. Cooper trolls did that. These days, I no longer visit Bruce Smith's website, nor do I stop at the Cooper Forum. This way, if these things are happening then I don't have to see them. Better for you, better for me. Once I got used to the idea of avoiding both sites, I actually felt a lot better. (*laughs*) I won't lie. It was hard to stay away but I managed it and the longer I did, the easier it became. Now DZ is the only place I visit regarding the Cooper case. 

I wish Cooper Con the best of success and a full house. Not to be commercial about it, but we move even more copies of Into The Blast, and some of our other titles, right after these conventions. So yeah...I am more than okay with the convention. Hope you guys pack the house. 

This is off topic, but would you like to see the ring I bought for Susan? She gets it on Thanksgiving, during dinner at her sister's place. Her niece is going to hide it where she can find it during dinner. The niece's idea, not mine. Yeah, yeah. I know it's not about Cooper, but Susan IS the one helping organize next July's Skywatch/Cooper event. Anyone showing up will be able to meet her in person. 

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LOL hope she DOES like it. Those are her favorite types of stones, and she loves white gold. I had the jewelry store replace one of the diamonds with a sapphire. And besides...I blew a lot of the AB profits this year on it. Yes, it's an engagement ring. (I hope) Say what you wish, but this is a pretty big step for me. The last time I was actually married was back in 1987 and I had it annulled two months later. Long story. I won't bore you with it. 

 

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So...I emailed the staff at the Portland Yacht Club and asked them to tell Eric Ulis to instruct his speakers that if anyone was going to make filthy, unsupported allegations like that without offering proof, or at least a single witness...that I would hold the Yacht Club staff responsible for that. They were just supposed to tell Eric this stuff. 

Instead...without even replying to my email...they went to these posts

 

LIAR, You first told this board and other sites " They responded and were disgusted” at the comments and that's the reason they canceled Eric's event not even realizing you stated they never contacted you so you had no idea why they cancelled the event. you keep forgetting to include the threat of a law suit to the country club if any liable was said against Kenny. the threat of a law suit is enough for a business to not want to get involved with what ever the subject might be. 

You can't control what is said about Kenny, you don't own him and the only grounds you would have for a law suit would be things related to your book. plus, no liable on the dead. YOUR actions got the event closed, PERIOD. the email was very specific about holding them responsible, there was no "asking" of anything. the only link you provided was to my site and not The Mountain News nor did you provided any other info, you wrote that you would provided screenshots if requested. multiple LIES once again. 

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we will immediately file suit against the Portland Yacht Club for personal damages

 If you would like copies of some of the screenshots taken from The DB Cooper Forum and elsewhere to see the truth for yourself, feel free to ask and we will provide them to you.

You have to LIE to try and defend yourself over what you did. the proof is clear as a bell. 

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8 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

The 'big deal' is that you are investigating a suspect whom you believe to be DB Cooper...

And at the same time rejecting other suspects without really being specific...

While at the same time making claim after claim about YOUR suspect...

Without offering the slightest shred of evidence or confirmation on practically everything you have claimed about your suspect. 

I never said I was 100% without-a-doubt Kenny was Cooper. But at least I offered up SOME support for the idea. An extensive report released publicly. No holding back on names, dates, places, PEOPLE. If you are going to continue to point to Hahneman as The Guy Who Got Away With It...maybe it's time you showed people how and why you are coming to that conclusion instead of just saying stuff like 'The FBI told me'. 

The only reason you aren't getting hammered on this by everyone else who reads this thread is because they hate ME more than they resent your claims made without any proof. ^_^ Not because they actually believe you. You have been promoting Hahneman as The Guy for quite a while now, and except for you jumping onto a possible Latin/Hispanic reference on the wanted poster...you have offered up absolutely zip regarding Hahneman. Maybe it's time you did. Trust me, it won't 'ruin' your investigation and people might start having more respect for you. 

You are just wrong..

KC and many other suspects do not match the case evidence. I don't reject them, the evidence does.

I have thousands of pieces of information,, no way I am going through all that on a forum. I am not defending a book or an article or anything. I am stating facts, if you can go find actual evidence to challenge that go ahead. You haven't, you just call me a liar because I don't post all my research. I don't care. Marty asked about his parachute experience and I answered with the facts I know.

And I was hammered by people early on so I decided to post very little on Hahneman and not reveal my research. I was getting bogged down in explaining things.. I am researching this for myself not for everyone else. I realized that there is no way I can post all the information in an appropriate way so that others can properly assess it. People were also assessing suspects based on the advocate not the evidense, I don't agree with that. So, I focussed on non-suspect specific case evidence.. and avoided the Hahneman details.

The difference is you need to SELL KC as suspect because there is no case there,, I don't need to sell a suspect and I sure as hell don't want to.

 

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The bump vs oscillation,,, 

I have an interview with Ratazcak and he explains it like this..

The pressure gauge is used for the crew to regulate the rate of climb or descent in the cabin to make it more comfortable. They were unpressurized and when that gauge goes to the extreme a light goes on and you feel a significant bump in your ears like a car door window opening at 70 mph on the highway. He said on the radio "I think our friend just took leave of us.... mark it on your radar screen" 

The evidence indicates they were getting minor bumps and oscillation for some time but suddenly the gauge reacted violently aka oscillations and the extreme oscillation was also felt as the "pressure bump". So, the pressure bump was an oscillation, an extreme one and the final one of a brief series. This is occurring in seconds not minutes.

When the FBI did their analysis they had the crew with fresh memories and communications that we don't have. We don't have the time Rataczak said "I think our friend just took leave of us".

Logically,, all pressure bumps felt in the ears are gauge oscillations but not all gauge oscillations are pressure bumps felt in the ears.

To claim they were completely distinct events is false.

The timing was analyzed through various comms and the FDR and it was from 8:09 for the FDR up to 8:12, these times were rounded and not synchronized to each other the time they settled on based on all inputs was 8:11 but that can be + or - a minute or two.

Further, the crew stated they were in the suburbs of Portland, if they were virtually over the Portland airport they would have known it,, I would argue that would have known if they had passed the Battleground VORTAC.

The other issue is.. was the "pressure bump/oscillation" caused by the hijacker or by him going down the stairs. Solderlind made that point before the sled test. That purpose of that test was to solve that issue.

Soderlind stated that the pressure bump oscillation was either caused by the hijacker going down the stairs or the hijacker leaving the plane,, before the sled test.

The test showed no significant pressure change when a man went down the stairs, they also had gauges setup in the passenger section. I don't where the sensor is for the cockpit gauge. Also, they dropped two sleds, the first was inadvertently dropped with somebody on the stairs. The second one caused a reaction exactly the same as was experienced on NORJAK. 

Soderlind revised his LZ using all the data. It runs from about the Lewis R to about Battleground.

 

Gauge reacted violently,, (Rataczak.. extreme oscillation = pressure bump)

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Co-pilot recorded..

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Soderlind before sled test,, bump/oscillation caused by UNSUB going down stairs or leaving

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All three crew members felt the bump in their ears.

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During test, stairs lowered by hydraulics and dropped to only about 20 degrees, were stable. With a person walking down and standing on them no drag and no indication on pressure gauge.

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At the moment the sled left the crew had the same experience in their ears as NORJAK and the cabin pressure gauge reacted violently. The stairs were compressed to nearly full extension..

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4 hours ago, mrshutter45 said:

LIAR, You first told this board and other sites " They responded and were disgusted” at the comments and that's the reason they canceled Eric's event not even realizing you stated they never contacted you so you had no idea why they cancelled the event. you keep forgetting to include the threat of a law suit to the country club if any liable was said against Kenny. the threat of a law suit is enough for a business to not want to get involved with what ever the subject might be. 

You can't control what is said about Kenny, you don't own him and the only grounds you would have for a law suit would be things related to your book. plus, no liable on the dead. YOUR actions got the event closed, PERIOD. the email was very specific about holding them responsible, there was no "asking" of anything. the only link you provided was to my site and not The Mountain News nor did you provided any other info, you wrote that you would provided screenshots if requested. multiple LIES once again. 

You have to LIE to try and defend yourself over what you did. the proof is clear as a bell. 

I didn't lie to you in that last post. That is EXACTLY what happened. But yes...I did mention the possibility of a lawsuit. And yes...looking back NOW I see that is why they canceled the venue. But then I did not cause this problem in the first place, did I? That would be you and others on your forum who ignored my requests to cease with the slanderous comments they were making on your forum at that time. 

Am I not right about this? You are also right when you say I don't control what is said about KC at your forum. Or elsewhere. But then some of your members piled on over 300 absolutely filthy comments about me and everyone I knew at the time...including my cat for chrissakes...on that article by Regina Winkles. You guys are about the most hateful bunch I have ever seen. And you whine to me NOW after I took some action on my own? You must be kidding. 

There are consequences for everything, Dave. You have to admit that the Yacht Club staff, after being sent to the latest comments on your website...well, it shocked them. They no longer wanted to be associated with people who put garbage like that on the internet my friend. YOU allowed it.  And the result was that Eric had to move the event to a nearby hotel in Portland. Stop blaming me for the results that happen when people you know and support act irresponsibly. 

And then...after the event is over...we start getting emails at the AB of Seattle main address...claiming that Eric was stalking one of the female attendees for a few months afterward. He was sending her unwelcome pictures of himself, she said. He was trying to get her to meet him somewhere locally. She was separated from her husband when she attended the convention, but they had gone into counseling and now his advances were REALLY unwelcome. She laid out the whole sad story for us very well. We were utterly disgusted, I can tell you that. 

When Eric heard about this, he claimed these messages were coming from his ex-wife down in Scottsdale. That's what he said on YOUR forum. So that told us Eric wasn't bothering to deny anything. He must have known from his behavior and actions that such messages were possible, otherwise...he would have denied the whole thing. But instead...he blames it on the same woman for whom he was once convicted down in Arizona of domestic violence. Greg the Techie Guy determined the emails were coming from a server in Portland, not Scottsdale. So that also told us Eric was lying. And he had a reason to lie...because what that lady claimed was true. Anytime you want to see those emails, I *might* be willing to send them to you. But you will have to ask me privately. I won't make them public, or post them to DZ. 

Excuse me, Dave but let me ask you a question. Are you saying that you police your forum members a bit? That you have at least SOME control over what they post about others on your own website, the one you created and host right to this day? Or do you support them all blindly no matter what they do? Whether it be to come after other Cooper folks or stalk women at conventions?

All I know is after that incident then people realized I wasn't a pushover, and I do take things seriously sometimes. This is also the reason I no longer visit either YOUR place, or Bruce's hate-filled blog. Whatever you guys are saying over there lately, I want no part of it. And no worries on whether I will send the Kiggins Theater staff this or that. I don't care what you guys say over there anymore, and I don't bother to look. Nothing good, I'm sure of that. 

The reason I didn't provide you with ALL the screenshots is because I figured you had all learned your lesson. And why should I provide screenshots publicly to stuff on your own website. Duh. You could look at your website just fine. You wanted me to post them to DZ and then you would have tried to get me banned. We both knew what the game was with you. 

It's possible I may have sent the Yacht Club just the one link. I would have to dig out the original email and look. If so, it must have led to stuff so bad that no other links were needed. You guys were getting pretty carried away back then, and coming at me full-bore on several internet sites at the same time. Didn't do you much good, did it? We are still here and things are better than ever. It even amazes ME sometimes. ¬¬ The hard truth is that if you guys stopped acting like spoiled children, you would get more than 70-80 people to show up to conventions that are planned a year in advance. Even Eric will tell you that when you advertise such an event and include a guest list...that potential attendees will often start Googling...and if they come to garbage posts on some of the websites associated with that event, it kind of puts them off and they take you less seriously. 

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