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All the other 727 hijackers survived..

Hahneman walked down the stairs backward and jumped in a back first position.. 377 believes this is how Cooper jumped.

He was given a military rig from Andrews AFB..

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On 10/9/2021 at 3:20 AM, RobertMBlevins said:

And Regina Winkles was kind enough to provide that information to me...and that's how Greg discovered their true identities. But in the end, you and some of your friends, in your pathetic attacks on me and the people I know, sacrificed that woman's hard work at WordPress. She was permanently banned and all her articles were deleted. Nice going. 

As I said, you are a fucking liar. I NEVER made a post at any of these articles that you are speaking of. As a matter of fact, it was I that brought your attention to one of these articles that had all of these comments. But now you want to say that I was part of it?? Again, you're a liar. But hey, let's not let the truth get in the way of your bullshit narrative. Get help Robert. You're either mentally unstable or eat up with dumbass, I'm not sure which, but you need help.

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6 hours ago, ParrotheadVol said:

As I said, you are a fucking liar. I NEVER made a post at any of these articles that you are speaking of. As a matter of fact, it was I that brought your attention to one of these articles that had all of these comments. But now you want to say that I was part of it?? Again, you're a liar. But hey, let's not let the truth get in the way of your bullshit narrative. Get help Robert. You're either mentally unstable or eat up with dumbass, I'm not sure which, but you need help.

Well...I should have qualified my little report there. YOU were not identified as one of the people making those comments, and many others on other forums and articles. And I will apologize for insinuating that. My bad. 

However....

The forum where you mainly hang out regarding Cooper, your buddies over there? Guilty as hell. And my opinion is that if you lie down with dogs, you will get fleas every time. You *only* stop in at Dropzone to make some jab or another at me. You have been doing this for well over a year now. 

I would like to know why...if you are so anxious to point out my faults or whatever...

Why you never speak out when some of your friends go on the attack, to the point of sacrificing decent Cooper events that could have brought more public attention to the case...helped some Cooper authors with their book sales (not mine, other authors)...and why you never spoke out when Sheridan Peterson's book was being stolen and posted to Amazon for a ridiculous twenty-five bucks a copy in paperback with NO wholesale distribution. No moral center with you, is there? Your friends are even worse. Or as Geoff Gray put it to me once in an email:  "They deserve each other over there..." 

You asked me a question regarding Peterson's book, a legit question, and when I gave you a comprehensive and HONEST answer about it...blew it off completely with a smart-ass response. 

This is why I have called some folks in Cooperland two-faced phonies. Now look at what you are left with. Eric Ulis and his program, which is mainly all about Eric and not about anybody else. At 20 bucks a pop. And that fiasco from 2018 where AB received a boatload of emails from a lady in Portland claiming Eric was stalking her for six months after THAT convention. Eric said it was his ex-wife in Scottsdale contacting us. Greg the Techie Guy traced the emails to a server in Portland. You guys really deserve what you get, that's for sure. You failed to support our efforts regarding the Ariel Store restoration and now it is a done deal forever. You failed to support our event in Portland that would have drawn hundreds of people and massive attention to Cooper investigators and the case itself. Now you are stuck with twenty dollar tickets and Eric Ulis. 

"Everyone gets what they deserve in the end..." as my old man used to say. Frankly, a majority of the major players in Cooperland are the most hateful bunch I have ever seen. If you guys learned on which side the bread is actually buttered, and how to cooperate with others without bringing your emotions into the whole thing, you would be downright dangerous. 

I have to tell you that it was all these things that got me out of the Cooper event business. I discovered that even the people who claim they get abducted by aliens on a regular basis are easier to work with, and much better folks than most of the people in Cooperland. At least they are funny folks. You guys carry around a dark cloud over your head and a boatload of negativity wherever you go. B)

Kinda like the pictures...

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You guys are going to miss soooo much fun up at Darland Mountain next July. Who can't have fun driving to a campout with mass events, movies, free BBQ food, and a 250-mile view of the Cascades...at 6900 drive-to-get-there feet no less. Only people in Cooperland would miss that one. My email box is already flooded with people waving at me and saying they want to be there. Susan and I are now Event Organizers with the Seattle UFO Network. I sort of gave up on Cooper in the public way at least. You guys are not worth the time or my hard efforts to promote the case. And the UFO folks are a hell of a lot nicer. 

Cooper folk of all makes and models are free to attend, free to present their stuff (we even help you present your media if you wish), but it's RSVP for everybody. Facebook page, Meetup site, whatever. That's how it gets done. We don't just post a notice and allow people to go a dozen miles off road without some responsible preparations and contingency plans in place first. 

For non-SUFON folks, that means you have to arrange attendance with AB of Seattle by email. Or phone or whatever. It's required for your safety if nothing else. This event is being held at the top of a mountain that is the second-highest place you can drive to in WA state, and the spot in first place (Hart's Pass in the North Cascades) is a frickin' bore.

There will be a page at the main AB site about this event starting in March. There will be a Contact Form just like last time. What was the first party like? Well...we had a small stage with presentations, music, a lot of daytime activities. At night people mostly sat in chairs around a propane-powered campfire and talked about their Cooper stuff (only two people) or their UFO stories. All adults, so there was drinking and whatever else happens to be legal in WA state. (They don't call it the Evergreen State for nothing.) It was crazy fun.

That's why Susan and I are doing it again...but on a much larger scale this time, and with a bigger budget. To top it off, we made it even HARDER to get to the event than the one we did last July near Mt. Rainier. A big success, we asked people to go 14 miles off road and trust us. Many people did just that and they were not sorry. THIS time, we're asking people to drive to Yakima and then BACKTRACK onto the eastern slope of the Cascades to the top of Darland Mountain and join us there for the time of their lives. No worries, I have been there a couple of times on scouting trips already for this event. I like to plan ahead and know what I am getting into before organizing these things. And frankly, I enjoy driving my new(er) Nissan Xterra to the high country around here every chance I get. The wheels never stop turning, both upstairs and on the pavement. I like to give back all the book money whenever I can. I have plenty to live on, and don't mind sharing for a good cause. 

Nothing good ever comes easily. This is how we weed out the serious from the non-serious, and separate the wheat from the chaff. 

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I'm heading to a place called the Little Naches for a few days. Camping and other activities. I want to see a solution to the Cooper case by the time I return. B) And the next time someone says I am too old to do this or that, let them try what I did this week. 

Used my Xterra and a big tow chain to rip out three massive bushes by the roots, cleared and graded the entire area, hauled all the crap to the dump, and then built forms, graded, and laid out an extension to the driveway. The SeXTerra takes up a fair amount of room in the driveway. Needed more room. I ended up mixing nearly 90 bags of concrete to do this in a wheelbarrow with a water hose and shovel. Woo-hoo. Yeah. Not quite ready for the wheelchair and the nursing home quite yet. 

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Just toss whatever steel you happen to have laying around into the forms. Why buy rebar when you have a ton of scrap, right?

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Rough finish. Will have to do a little resurfacing, but not bad for an amateur. What does this have to do with the Cooper case? Absolutely nothing. Back in a few days you bums. B)

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Up early this morning packing for our trip. Ditched the Little Naches idea. I decided Susan and I will have lunch today at the Gold Creek Station on HIghway 410, and then head up Forest Service road 1703 for a few days. Have to test out all the new gear, make sure it works. 

Anytime you folks out there in Cooperland want us to organize a REAL event, with REAL fun, just let us know. ¬¬

Wait. We already did. And are doing it on a bigger scale next year. At the top of Darland Mountain. 

I may dump our site host Webs dot com because they keep showing AB as expired. This is the third time. They've been pulling our host fee from PayPal since August 2006. I have to keep reminding them to go and pick up their money from PayPal. They always apologize for the glitch, but I am growing tired of having to remind them. 

"Hello...(hello)...is there anybody IN there..." 

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Georger, you miss the point..

It is a printout of the recorded conversation between the crew and the Cooper..

A recording existed.

The point is since a cockpit voice recorder is a microphone in the cockpit that picks up everything it might have picked up both sides of the conversation including Cooper's voice via the interphone. We know it picked up the crew side of the conversation, but unclear if it picked up Cooper.

The other takeaway is that the recording would have picked up the crew and specifically Rataczak saying that Cooper "just took leave of us".. that was used early on to pinpoint the jump time. The exact timing of that statement has never been made public.

Cockpit recorder is a mic in the cockpit not the FDR...

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5 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Georger, you miss the point..

It is a printout of the recorded conversation between the crew and the Cooper..

A recording existed.

The point is since a cockpit voice recorder is a microphone in the cockpit that picks up everything it might have picked up both sides of the conversation including Cooper's voice via the interphone. We know it picked up the crew side of the conversation, but unclear if it picked up Cooper.

The other takeaway is that the recording would have picked up the crew and specifically Rataczak saying that Cooper "just took leave of us".. that was used early on to pinpoint the jump time. The exact timing of that statement has never been made public.

Cockpit recorder is a mic in the cockpit not the FDR...

Well if this is the case that would be news. A cockpit voice recorder? That IS news. Unclear if it picked up 'the Cooper'. When and how will we know if it picked up 'the Cooper' on the interphone?

Does anyone have a spectrogram of Cooper's phonology .... of course not.

Cockpit recorder is a mic in the cockpit not the FDR...   and the wings and wheels are not cockpit recorders. I git it!

Does 377 have a manual for this cockpit recorder ?

 

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1 hour ago, georger said:

Well if this is the case that would be news. A cockpit voice recorder? That IS news. Unclear if it picked up 'the Cooper'. When and how will we know if it picked up 'the Cooper' on the interphone?

Does anyone have a spectrogram of Cooper's phonology .... of course not.

Cockpit recorder is a mic in the cockpit not the FDR...   and the wings and wheels are not cockpit recorders. I git it!

Does 377 have a manual for this cockpit recorder ?

 

As Shutter has pointed out on his site, the Cockpit Voice Recorder used a loop tape that was overwritten ever 30 minutes.  Since the airliner flew for almost another three hours after the last contact with Cooper, that last contact would have been overwritten about six times.  So there is nothing on that recorder tape related to Cooper's voice.

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Yup, that is why it stands out and needs sorting..

Soderlind used flight recorder records...  but that couldn't have been the FDR, it doesn't give those parameters.

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Here, it states the comm with Northwest Control Center,,  could they have kept an open mic recording from Northwest??

Still need to figure out if Cooper's voice via the interphone could have been picked up. 

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7 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Yup, that is why it stands out and needs sorting..

Soderlind used flight recorder records...  but that couldn't have been the FDR, it doesn't give those parameters.

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Here, it states the comm with Northwest Control Center,,  could they have kept an open mic recording from Northwest??

Still need to figure out if Cooper's voice via the interphone could have been picked up. 

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Communications from the airliner were all over radio transceivers which required that a microphone be keyed to transmit and they could not receive while transmitting.  Keeping an open microphone in the airliner was not realistic.

The printouts apparently refer to the ARINC teletype printouts and George Harrison's family loaned a copy of some of those printouts to the WSHM a few years ago.

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1 hour ago, Robert99 said:

Communications from the airliner were all over radio transceivers which required that a microphone be keyed to transmit and they could not receive while transmitting.  Keeping an open microphone in the airliner was not realistic.

The printouts apparently refer to the ARINC teletype printouts and George Harrison's family loaned a copy of some of those printouts to the WSHM a few years ago.

It doesn't read that way..

It says "voice recorder tape printout" and that must have come via Northwest comms.

What system did they use.

 

What tape recorder is this??

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2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

It doesn't read that way..

It says "voice recorder tape printout" and that must have come via Northwest comms.

What system did they use.

 

What tape recorder is this??

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Okay, here is the good news.  If the tape recorder had previously been started on a time standard signal and this recording was used to determine that Cooper jumped at 8:11 PM PST, then the people who claim a later jump time are just blowing smoke and don't know what they are talking about.

"Voice recorder tape printout" is a confusing term.  The ARINC teletype system print outs related to the hijacking were received at the NWA Station at SEATAC (where George Harrison was the Station Chief) and "probably" at the NWA Headquarters in Minneapolis (although I don't think this point has been established).

When the ARINC radio and telephone link was established, apparently both the NWA SEATAC and NWA Minneapolis stations could talk directly to the airliner and probably with each other.  But the airliner had to transmit/receive over the same ARINC radio channel and the communicator in the airliner had to key the microphone to transmit and "unkey" the microphone to receive. 

So if the recorder in question (and it wasn't the CVR) was in the cockpit it probably belonged to one of the crew members and could conceivable record both the outgoing transmissions (if it was close to the transmitting microphone) and the incoming transmissions if they were being received on the cockpit speaker (if the aircraft had one and it probably did).  The cockpit also had jacks for headsets (Anderson was apparently wearing one) and may have had one that was compatible with the recorder in question.

Someone at SEATAC or Minneapolis may have had the recorder in question.  But if either of these three cases is correct, then the "tape printout" would have to be done by hand.

All of the above leads me to believe that it is the ARINC teletype printouts that are referenced.     

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On 10/4/2021 at 12:34 PM, FLYJACK said:

Why do people push nonsense.. read the files..

FBI lab approximately $5800 on TBAR..  100 bills per packet, that is 3 packets with one missing a few.

There is nothing to support 2 packets,, 

The misinformation in this case is off the charts,

 

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Approximately $5800 determined by FBI lab... lab report not released to us.

 

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The dummy chute was grabbed by Linn Emrich,,

but Cossey claimed it was grabbed in error by somebody who didn't know anything about parachute..

 

Cossey must be lying... Emrich would have know it was a dummy chute,, it was intentional.

That dummy chute was the only one not sealed perhaps they did put a beeper in it.

 

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2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Suggests there is a NWA tape recording...

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The "NWA communications network" was the ARINC (Aeronautical Radio Incorporated) communications system which was a subscription service for the airline industry. 

ARINC had its own radio frequencies and normally communicated by VHF with the airliners and then passed that information on to the various airline facilities by teletypes.  If ARINC taped the VHF radio communications (which is entirely possible), then that tape may be what is referred to above.

In the hijacking, ARINC also established a radio and telephone link between the airliner and NWA stations.  ARINC may have taped this link also.  Or someone at NWA or on the airliner may have taped the previous conversation as discussed previously.  Where this tape came from and what was taped is not entire clear.

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4 hours ago, Robert99 said:

The "NWA communications network" was the ARINC (Aeronautical Radio Incorporated) communications system which was a subscription service for the airline industry. 

ARINC had its own radio frequencies and normally communicated by VHF with the airliners and then passed that information on to the various airline facilities by teletypes.  If ARINC taped the VHF radio communications (which is entirely possible), then that tape may be what is referred to above.

In the hijacking, ARINC also established a radio and telephone link between the airliner and NWA stations.  ARINC may have taped this link also.  Or someone at NWA or on the airliner may have taped the previous conversation as discussed previously.  Where this tape came from and what was taped is not entire clear.

The subject of the 302 inquiry is: how did a movie producer get a "printout" of this alleged recording, and from whom. The assumption being made is: the recording is real! Made by whom ? The FBI wants to know who supplied confidential information to this 'movie producer' - what is the source ? Names are used but of course they are redacted...

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12 hours ago, georger said:

The subject of the 302 inquiry is: how did a movie producer get a "printout" of this alleged recording, and from whom. The assumption being made is: the recording is real! Made by whom ? The FBI wants to know who supplied confidential information to this 'movie producer' - what is the source ? Names are used but of course they are redacted...

The FBI needed to determine what "printout" is in question here, who had it, and where did they get it.  There are only a limited number of sources for such a "printout", but first the FBI should determine what they are actually looking for.  And I do believe they were attempting to do that.   

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5 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

So, if the FDR records the magnetic heading and it was examined can't the flightpath be confirmed??

Not really.  The word "heading" means that the wind correction angle has been applied to the calculations.  Except in landing, the wind direction is always specified with respect to true north and all wind problems should be worked with respect to true directions rather than magnetic directions.

An error free compass (zero deviation) points to magnetic north with wanders around north of Greenland.  Consequently, the correction that must be applied to magnetic north to get to true north is called variation and is constantly changing and also varies along a given flight path.

To determine a specific ground track, which is what is needed here, requires knowledge of the winds aloft, altitude, ambient temperature, and other factors.  Some of these factors can be determined by simply tracking inbound and/or outbound to a VOR station on a radial. And the so-called FBI flight path clearly indicates this did not happened.  Plus there is plenty of room for making mistakes in these calculations.

The above is summarized from Jeppesen navigation publications.   

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12 minutes ago, DFS346 said:

Coming soon to a bookstore near you ...

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Looks good..  Wayfarer's

https://www.amazon.com/Cooper-Flight-305-Reexamining-Disappearance/dp/0764362569

 

"The "D. B. Cooper" case is the only unsolved act of air piracy in US history. On November 24, 1971, a polite, nondescript, and dark-complexioned man calling himself "Dan Cooper" hijacked Northwest Airlines Flight 305, Boeing 727, between Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington. At Seattle International Airport, he demanded and received $200,000 and four parachutes, released the passengers, and ordered the crew to take him to Mexico. Somewhere along the way, he jumped. He was never found or identified. Forty-five years later, the FBI gave up the hunt. This book looks at the case from the perspective of a mathematician and pilot. It uses previously unexamined data and original-source documents, combined with the tools of statistics, aeronautics, and meteorology, to show where and how the FBI could resume the search and possibly find out at last who "D. B. Cooper" really was."

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