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1 hour ago, snowmman said:

How do you know when Cossey made the dummy reserve, or how many existed? 

I don't know when Cossey made it or how many existed but I do know that there were many years between Sheridan's account and the use of the chute for Norjak that Cossey claimed to have made.

I also know that Sheridan's assumption that the NORJAK chute was the same one he used many years before is not knowable by Sheridan.

I also know the first account of any colour for the X was Black in Tosaw's book. 

I also know that the first account of a red X was in 2009 on DZ after the Parachutist article with "large X and red closing flaps"..

I also know that Sheridan's first mention of a red X was after it was mentioned on DZ. He read DZ.

I can also prove that Hillary Clinton didn't use her own private server, she used Bill's and shared it with high level Clinton Foundation operatives. The FBI covered that up for her, she lost anyway.

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Some retailer or maybe wholesaler out there keeps buying copies of Into The Blast by the case. (52 copies in a 'case' order) I keep wondering who is doing that, but Lightning Source won't reveal to publishers who makes the orders or buys your books. I never asked them why, but I imagine it's because they don't want publishers hounding whoever is doing the buying in efforts to urge them to buy more. Or to launch advertising at these buyers. Makes sense, I guess. In any event, we are now well over 200 copies moved of Blast since August 1. I haven't been watching Fox News, but I know they did SOME bit on Cooper recently because they paid me for the use of some images about two weeks ago. Maybe that is the reason. They want me involved (for money) in some large Cooper thing they plan to do soon. I have wanted to involve others, but as usual...no one bothers to contact me privately about this possibility and get the contact person information. They always think information is a one-way street and I should just post up everything publicly for them. Not a chance. Not any more. If you want any consideration, you have to make that request like a real person. After the Bruce Smith Mountain News fiasco, nothing gets made public any further. Frankly, some of you cannot be trusted. 

Came back from the camping trip a bit early. It was just TOO hot where we were. We will do another in late September when the wildfires die down, or get put out by rain, and when the weather cools off a bit. Otherwise, we had fun.

I see you guys are still arguing minute points about the chutes given to Cooper. I don't have anything much to say about that. He got four chutes. Two belonged to Norman Hayden and were sent by cab to NWA/SeaTac under a rental agreement. One was later returned and ended up in the WA ST History Museum. One got popped on board the jet and is the hands of the FBI today. The third was the fake reserve and that went out the back of the jet during the hijacking and is still waiting for someone to find it in the woods of SW Washington. The last was the Navy Backpack Cooper used to jump. May have been discovered in Amboy in 2008, or maybe not. Cossey was notoriously inaccurate and inflated his role in the hijacking for years. That's all I need to know. IMHO, the rest is just fluff. 

The only real question remaining is where is the NB-6/8 and where is the phony trainer reserve? Finding the reserve out there in the woods probably won't tell you much. Finding the chute Cooper jumped with out there might tell you a lot. 

EDIT: Seen posted by Bruce Smith (in part) over at the Cooper Forum:

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' I haven't talked to Eric recently, but the chances that CC21 will be held are fading. Currently, I rate it 60-40, as Covid is worse in the very rural and conservative SW Washington. Clark County is a veritable hot spot...'

That's not why he might be canceling. Events are still being held all over the state and very successfully most of them. The reason he might cancel is because you guys are non-inclusive, your guest speaker list is absolute SHIT and contains no one really known much to the general public or your average Cooper fan, and you want more than twenty bucks a ticket. Plus...you expect people to show up for two straight days...on the friggin' weekend before Thanksgiving...one of the biggest shopping weekends of the year.

And you do not yet have a headliner. I imagine the advance ticket sales are a little slow. My source on this tells me this is the case. 

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"Hello...(hello) is there anybody IN there..."

Not to say I told you so...but I TOLD YOU SO. I've already received more than forty emails in the last three weeks asking me if I will be attending any convention in Vancouver this year. I got tired of stalling people. I told them no in a group message finally, and stated my reasons why. If this event does a crash and burn, maybe next time you will listen to me when I offer suggestions on how headliners and cooperation do much better than exclusion and bullshit. Eric wants to not only run the show, but be the star. Big mistake. And now he's finding out that people aren't buying it. Not for twenty bucks a pop they aren't. 

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9 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

 

I see you guys are still arguing minute points about the chutes given to Cooper. I don't have anything much to say about that. He got four chutes. Two belonged to Norman Hayden and were sent by cab to NWA/SeaTac under a rental agreement. One was later returned and ended up in the WA ST History Museum. One got popped on board the jet and is the hands of the FBI today. The third was the fake reserve and that went out the back of the jet during the hijacking and is still waiting for someone to find it in the woods of SW Washington. The last was the Navy Backpack Cooper used to jump. May have been discovered in Amboy in 2008, or maybe not. Cossey was notoriously inaccurate and inflated his role in the hijacking for years. That's all I need to know. IMHO, the rest is just fluff. 

The only real question remaining is where is the NB-6/8 and where is the phony trainer reserve? Finding the reserve out there in the woods probably won't tell you much. Finding the chute Cooper jumped with out there might tell you a lot. 

 

I see you still fail to understand the chute problem..

You need to ask yourself,,

if Cooper used one of Hayden's back chutes.. (SN 226 was returned)

and there were two packing cards found (SN 226 and SN 60-9707)

and Cossey's description of the remaining chute as a freefall Sport chute was wrong.

and Cossey claimed his two back chutes were taken from Issaquah then changed it to his home.

and Cossey never provided his chute records.

and Cossey never met Hayden.

and Hayden bought the chutes from a surplus shop.

and Cossey claimed Cooper used his customized NB6/8 provided by himself.

and Cossey is a proven liar.

and Cossey is the only source for the description of the Cooper chute.

and Cossey's initial chute description at his interview did not match the earlier chute descriptions.

then, how do we know Cossey is correct that Hayden used his custom NB6/8 chute..

 

If Cossey was wrong and it looks likely...  then they were looking for the wrong chute and it is probably the chute that belongs to the SN 60-9707 card.

The Cooper chute may have been found and rejected based on Cossey, not the Amboy chute.

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There IS no 'chute problem'. And this is not complicated at all. 

Cossey did not own either of the two possible chutes used by Cooper. He just packed them. On the afternoon of the crime he wasn't at SkySports, he was at home. Linn Emerick was the guy who handed out the chutes and NEITHER OF THEM was a BACKPACK. And we know Cooper jumped with a BACKPACK. Emerick gave them to a pair of WA State Patrol guys who came calling on behalf of NWA and the FBI (to a degree.) 

Believe Norman Hayden's version of events, which matches the report provided by FBI agent John Detlor. 

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This subject is getting stale. Two backpack chutes provided. One is in a museum.  That leaves one for Cooper. It is gone. The two belly packs are accounted for. One is chopped up for its paracord, the other one was a dummy chute anyway and also gone from the aircraft. 

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I strongly believe that Cooper’s rig is out there somewhere. No reason to carry it with him. Good reason to quickly conceal it. No reason for a deep burial. The concealment requirements were modest and temporary. Just keep it from being easily sighted in the initial hours of the search. Discovery of the rig would allow the cops to center their search. I believe the rig was an NB8 with an unmodified C9 28 ft diameter round canopy. It was easy to find C9 canopies in surplus stores back then. I never once saw a Navy 26 ft Conical in a surplus store and I did a LOT of looking. The parachute gear companies seemed to snag them all in DOD surplus auctions. I bought my Navy Conical from a sailor-skydiver who was based at Iwakuni Japan. The base rigger “traded” him this perfect but time expired canopy for some trashed sport canopy. The rigger needed to destroy/demilitarize the timed out canopies. 

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As for military surplus round canopies, I’m so glad they are in my past. I jumped last Saturday with my modern “square” ram air canopy. See pics below. Cushy landings. The military rounds could give you “crunchy” landings, with the crunch coming from your ankle bones breaking. Fortunately my 100+ surplus round jumps were injury free. 

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1 hour ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I didn't miss a damn thing. I just don't buy into the idea of speculation after fifty years. The original report by John Detlor has been verified and its accurate. Anything else is BS and fluff. 

You completely missed it Blevins.... blind as a bat. 

and you call it BS and fluff because you are clueless.... crazy.

You can read so it must be comprehension.

The Detlor report is ENTIRELY irrelevant.

 

Explain how we know that the chute Cooper took was Cossey's sage green/sage green modded NB6/8?

I'll help you, it was Cossey's assumption.. get it.

There is no other evidence to support the claim that was his NB6/8 sage green/sage green chute.

 

Cossey claimed the chute left behind was a freefall sport chute, it wasn't. He got that one wrong.

He never said the chutes were Hayden's, he always claimed they were his.

Maybe he just assumed and made an error initially but he must have figured it out at some time.

Two back chute packing cards were found SN 226 was returned to Hayden and SN 60-9707..

 

Cossey, NB6/8 sage green nylon container sage green nylon harness 28 FT white, modified handle.

This may be the actual chute Cooper used.. this does NOT match Cossey's description of his chute.

 

PARACHUTE IDENTIFICATION

MAKE: Pioneer Parachute Co.

TYPE: 28' Ripstop Conical (Early quoted as 28', chute inspector 24’, one is a typo/error)

SERIAL NO: 60-9707

DATE OF MFR: July, 1960

INSPECTED BY: May 21, 1971 by E J Cossey on  riggers license number 159638

PACKING CARD: listed Brown Engineering Company, Post Office Box 1436, Patterson, California, 95363.

Chute was described early as 28 FT white chute with an Olive Drab container and Tan cotton harness.

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44 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

You completely missed it Blevins.... blind as a bat. 

and you call it BS and fluff because you are clueless.... crazy.

You can read so it must be comprehension.

The Detlor report is ENTIRELY irrelevant.

 

Explain how we know that the chute Cooper took was Cossey's sage green/sage green modded NB6/8?

I'll help you, it was Cossey's assumption.. get it.

There is no other evidence to support the claim that was his NB6/8 sage green/sage green chute.

 

Cossey claimed the chute left behind was a freefall sport chute, it wasn't. He got that one wrong.

He never said the chutes were Hayden's, he always claimed they were his.

Maybe he just assumed and made an error initially but he must have figured it out at some time.

Two back chute packing cards were found SN 226 was returned to Hayden and SN 60-9707..

 

Cossey, NB6/8 sage green nylon container sage green nylon harness 28 FT white, modified handle.

This may be the actual chute Cooper used.. this does NOT match Cossey's description of his chute.

 

PARACHUTE IDENTIFICATION

MAKE: Pioneer Parachute Co.

TYPE: 28' Ripstop Conical (Early quoted as 28', chute inspector 24’, one is a typo/error)

SERIAL NO: 60-9707

DATE OF MFR: July, 1960

INSPECTED BY: May 21, 1971 by E J Cossey on  riggers license number 159638

PACKING CARD: listed Brown Engineering Company, Post Office Box 1436, Patterson, California, 95363.

Chute was described early as 28 FT white chute with an Olive Drab container and Tan cotton harness.

Where have you guys been for the last dozen years? Of course Cossey didn't own any of the chutes given to Cooper. Says so in the report submitted early-on by FBI agent John Detlor. Hayden also says so and his story is backed up by the fact the FBI returned the only other backpack to him that was provided to Cooper. The one he donated to the WA ST History Museum. The two reserves were not Cossey's either except possibly the friggin fake trainer reserve. Even that is under question because it is unlikely that Linn Emerick would start handing out chutes that didn't belong to Sky Sports. 

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Just now, RobertMBlevins said:

Where have you guys been for the last dozen years? Of course Cossey didn't own any of the chutes given to Cooper. Says so in the report submitted early-on by FBI agent John Detlor. Hayden also says so and his story is backed up by the fact the FBI returned the only other backpack to him that was provided to Cooper. The one he donated to the WA ST History Museum. The two reserves were not Cossey's either except possibly the friggin fake trainer reserve. Even that is under question because it is unlikely that Linn Emerick would start handing out chutes that didn't belong to Sky Sports. 

UNBELEIVABLE....

You still missed it... this is getting ridiculous..

This is my last shot at it Blevins after this you are on your own.

REAL SIMPLE.. a fifth grader can get it.

The FBI was looking for the wrong chute because they were relying on Cossey's description. The Cooper chute may have already been found and rejected because of Cossey. Get it. All the chutes found and rejected need to be re-checked. There were many that were rejected because they didn't match Cossey's description of his NB6/8.

 

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1 hour ago, 377 said:

I strongly believe that Cooper’s rig is out there somewhere. No reason to carry it with him. Good reason to quickly conceal it. No reason for a deep burial. The concealment requirements were modest and temporary. Just keep it from being easily sighted in the initial hours of the search. Discovery of the rig would allow the cops to center their search. I believe the rig was an NB8 with an unmodified C9 28 ft diameter round canopy. It was easy to find C9 canopies in surplus stores back then. I never once saw a Navy 26 ft Conical in a surplus store and I did a LOT of looking. The parachute gear companies seemed to snag them all in DOD surplus auctions. I bought my Navy Conical from a sailor-skydiver who was based at Iwakuni Japan. The base rigger “traded” him this perfect but time expired canopy for some trashed sport canopy. The rigger needed to destroy/demilitarize the timed out canopies. 

I also believe Cooper's rig is out there somewhere. I find it extremely suspicious that the Seattle FBI refused to give local media an exact reason they dismissed the Amboy chute as being Cooper's, even though they did several media releases (at first) saying they had confidence it could be Cooper's. ("It's the right size, the right color and found in the right place...") And then a week later under somewhat suspicious circumstances that included games played by Earl Cossey....NOTHING. I imagine the trainer reserve is out there as well, and IF the Amboy chute was Cooper's, probably NORTH of the Amboy chute. 

Five years after the Seattle FBI dismissed the chute as Cooper's, this is what they were telling people who inquired about it:

"It is evidence in an ongoing case..."

Go figure. 

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2 hours ago, 377 said:

I jumped last Saturday with my modern “square” ram air canopy. See pics below.

 

Congratulations on getting back in the air!

Is that Taft? It looks like Taft, but I thought you were farther north. I'm also guessing it was windy because it looks like you've got a shagger lurking to help collapse your canopy.

I made some jumps in June to keep my AFF rating current, but I'm standing down again while Delta does it's thing.

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1 hour ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I also believe Cooper's rig is out there somewhere. I find it extremely suspicious that the Seattle FBI refused to give local media an exact reason they dismissed the Amboy chute as being Cooper's, even though they did several media releases (at first) saying they had confidence it could be Cooper's. ("It's the right size, the right color and found in the right place...") And then a week later under somewhat suspicious circumstances that included games played by Earl Cossey....NOTHING. I imagine the trainer reserve is out there as well, and IF the Amboy chute was Cooper's, probably NORTH of the Amboy chute. 

Five years after the Seattle FBI dismissed the chute as Cooper's, this is what they were telling people who inquired about it:

"It is evidence in an ongoing case..."

Go figure. 

The Amboy chute doesn't match the SN 60-9707 card found on the plane.

 

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1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

The Amboy chute doesn't match the SN 60-9707 card found on the plane.

You determined this by what method? A few low-res pictures of a lumped-together canopy sitting on the parking garage floor at the Seattle FBI? Their initial press release claimed it was the right size, the right color, and found in the right place. Their quote, which was shown in several news articles worldwide. 

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34 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

You determined this by what method? A few low-res pictures of a lumped-together canopy sitting on the parking garage floor at the Seattle FBI? Their initial press release claimed it was the right size, the right color, and found in the right place. Their quote, which was shown in several news articles worldwide. 

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Since I was the one who sent this email, I figure it is okay to post it for readers. It is the recent message I sent to Darren S, the host of the Cooper Vortex podcast. My apologies to a few of you, but sometimes you need to check in at the Reality Hotel. Top floor, penthouse suite. 

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Hello Darren, 
I have bad news. My sources tell me it is extremely doubtful that Eric Ulis will actually finance Cooper Con this year. Tickets aren't selling and the guest speaker list is crap. People are already bailing from the Eric Program on a number of levels, and for a number of reasons. Why you guys believed him and trusted him I will never know. Meanwhile, over here at AB of Seattle I have moved us to Yakima and we are enjoying great success. Fox News paid me for the use of images just two weeks ago, and want me to participate in a big production they plan soon, and our book sales are going through the roof. At least for us, anyway. 

Either no one tells you anything about what's really going on in Cooperland, or you just don't pay attention.

Meanwhile, you keep pushing your podcast on a website where no one can see the links you post to episodes anyway. Kind of pointless, don't you think? And you followed a Pied Piper named Eric whose only real purpose was to use you and others to promote his own agenda. You were a pawn in all that. My mother didn't raise any fools and whether or not some people like me or not matters nothing to me. I call it like I see it. Always have, always will. 

I see you have about 200,000 downloads of your Cooper episodes. That is good. 

I have over FOUR MILLION views to my content at Quora, and no idea how many at Dropzone or elsewhere. My email box gets flooded weekly by Cooper fans. Your ordinary ones, not the crazy folks, or those with an agenda. 
Sincerely, Robert

 

'Don't sugar-coat it, Rob. Give it to me straight...'

Of course. 

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Even when I do good, I'm so busy that I end up a day late on most stuff. I don't stream Fox Nation so I didn't know they aired the Brad Meltzer program five days ago. Well...I was off camping up by White Pass anyway. I will catch it later. 

But now I know why we've moved more paperback copies of Into The Blast in a single month than our total for the last two years. Sales for August and September are paid at the end of November and December by LSI.

My thanks go out to Brad Meltzer and the gang at Fox Nation, who received everything we had on Kenny Christiansen, Bernie Geestman, and a few other people. But my most sincere thanks go out to the brave people who came forward in the years after Into The Blast was first released in 2010, and after our full report was issued to the public.

People like Geestman's niece Denise, a US Navy defense worker named Troy Bentz, a senior FBI agent named John Jarvis, and a host of others. 

And even you, Margie Geestman. You were a tough nut to crack. Took me seven trips in a Subaru wagon driving 500 miles a trip and crossing two mountain passes each way on those trips. The truth is never simple. Nor is it easy to obtain sometimes. But if you are dogged and determined enough, and have a nose for what is legit and what is phony, you have a chance.

Images copyright by Adventure Books of Seattle. That is me, well basically. B)

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On 8/24/2021 at 2:58 PM, FLYJACK said:

I don't know when Cossey made it or how many existed but I do know that there were many years between Sheridan's account and the use of the chute for Norjak that Cossey claimed to have made.

I also know that Sheridan's assumption that the NORJAK chute was the same one he used many years before is not knowable by Sheridan.

I also know the first account of any colour for the X was Black in Tosaw's book. 

I also know that the first account of a red X was in 2009 on DZ after the Parachutist article with "large X and red closing flaps"..

I also know that Sheridan's first mention of a red X was after it was mentioned on DZ. He read DZ.

I can also prove that Hillary Clinton didn't use her own private server, she used Bill's and shared it with high level Clinton Foundation operatives. The FBI covered that up for her, she lost anyway.


Why so touchy?

 

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Said by Eric Ulis recently, the organizer for Cooper Con 2021:

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'What I did say is that I was given access to Hayden’s 302 which proves that Cossey did previously own Hayden’s rigs, and that Cossey packed the rigs. I did not disclose my source...'

Eric Ulis, you are SO full of it. You have no 302 and you have no source. I'm calling it like I see it. Hayden bought his rigs from a place down near Boeing Field that sold used chutes. Cossey was lying and so are you. How do I know? I interviewed Hayden extensively over a couple of days long ago. And I kept very good notes. 

If you continue down this road you can expect that any credibility you have trying to serve as host for Cooper Con will go right down the toilet. It is no surprise to me that the public is not buying tickets to your convention, or believing your baloney. 

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6 hours ago, snowmman said:


Why so touchy?

 

I get tired of misrepresentations and straw-man nonsense. Georger does this all the time.

I never claimed to know when Cossey made the chute or how many dummy chutes existed between Sheridan's time at Issaquah and Norjak.

When you process all the information it is extremely unlikely the dummy chute Sheridan is referring to is the same one that Cossey made that went to Cooper. If you want to believe something else go ahead.

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4 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Said by Eric Ulis recently, the organizer for Cooper Con 2021:

Eric Ulis, you are SO full of it. You have no 302 and you have no source. I'm calling it like I see it. Hayden bought his rigs from a place down near Boeing Field that sold used chutes. Cossey was lying and so are you. How do I know? I interviewed Hayden extensively over a couple of days long ago. And I kept very good notes. 

If you continue down this road you can expect that any credibility you have trying to serve as host for Cooper Con will go right down the toilet. It is no surprise to me that the public is not buying tickets to your convention, or believing your baloney. 

Robert,

It is true, there are several 302's that claim Cossey owned the chute used by "unsub"..

Of course, the problem is that info came from Cossey and he provided no records. 302's are not conclusions.

This is the thing, Cossey assumed the back chutes were his early on, they weren't.

Cossey must have realized he was wrong but kept lying... that means all the chutes found were rejected based on a comparison to the wrong chute, that description from Cossey.

 

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Robert quotes Ulis...

 

12 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

...Cossey did previously own Hayden’s rigs...

 

then says

 

12 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Eric Ulis, you are SO full of it...  Hayden bought his rigs from a place down near Boeing Field that sold used chutes. Cossey was lying...

 

I've said this before somewhere, but I'll submit it again...

The market for used parachutes is very limited and the community of people who deal in them is very small. If that store where Hayden bought his rigs used Cossey for pack jobs, it's entirely possible that they also bought rigs from him. I'm not saying that Cossey had owned those rigs at some point, I would have no way of knowing, but it would not be far-fetched if he had.

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2 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

I've said this before somewhere, but I'll submit it again...

The market for used parachutes is very limited and the community of people who deal in them is very small. If that store where Hayden bought his rigs used Cossey for pack jobs, it's entirely possible that they also bought rigs from him. I'm not saying that Cossey had owned those rigs at some point, I would have no way of knowing, but it would not be far-fetched if he had.

This has been the assumption for years... as it seems plausible.

But,,

Cossey claimed his back chutes came from Issaquah.

Cossey changed it to.. his back chutes were sent from his house.

Cossey also claimed his back chute left behind was returned to him.

Cossey never admitted the chutes came from Hayden.

He always maintained they were his and came from him. 

 

What has happened is we have previously assumed Cossey must have meant he owned the chutes before Hayden got them but he has never actually claimed that.

 

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