Robert99 47 #63676 July 14 11 hours ago, georger said: Ask https://www.perplexity.ai/search/was-cooper-s-tie-his-own-perso-jnD9QMOTRG2.ULQpfZk6ug or Tom Kaye or Eric Ulis. Ich habe das nicht geschrieben. https://people.com/new-evidence-discovered-db-cooper-skyjacking-case-uncovers-potential-suspect-8425325 11 hours ago, georger said: Ask https://www.perplexity.ai/search/was-cooper-s-tie-his-own-perso-jnD9QMOTRG2.ULQpfZk6ug or Tom Kaye or Eric Ulis. Ich habe das nicht geschrieben. https://people.com/new-evidence-discovered-db-cooper-skyjacking-case-uncovers-potential-suspect-8425325 Georger, why didn't you just say that you do not have a source for the claims you made in post #63673 above and for which I asked for sources in post #63674 above? You obviously have a lot of time to waste and I don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 230 #63677 July 16 (edited) On 7/14/2024 at 3:36 PM, Robert99 said: Georger, why didn't you just say that you do not have a source for the claims you made in post #63673 above and for which I asked for sources in post #63674 above? You obviously have a lot of time to waste and I don't. Let's dispense with this and get it over with... The "sources" you want were listed at the top of the article.https://www.perplexity.ai/search/was-cooper-s-tie-his-own-perso-jnD9QMOTRG2.ULQpfZk6ug All you have to do is look up at the top of the page. See page photo below. R99 it is apparent you dont even know what is going on. A trend is in motion. The Cooper case is becoming more and more reliant on analytical methods. Years ago Snowmman advised: "Google is your friend". Snowmman announced the discovery of the Cooper Comic suggesting a possible link to DB Cooper. Snowmman used extensive searches to nail down the history of the Cooper comic. SA Carr immediately advertised a possible link between the Cooper case and the Cooper comic. That dominated Geof Gray's first CooperCon with media coverage far and wide. Georger suggested a Bayesian analysis of the flight path to Safecracking PLF who was searching the extensive tributary system that exists north of the Columbia River. Safe was trying to discover possible routes for the money winding up on Tena Bar. Safe published a map of his results ... Safe then published his Through the Lens of Logic suggesting his system could be used to determine all 'truths' in each part of the DB Cooper case. Extensive media coverage followed . . . Flyjack etal introduced OCR searching of FBI 302s to find a catalog relevant subject text. OleMiss et al used analytical tools (a heuristic analytical program) to compare Barb Dayton text with a Gunther letter which suggested that Barb Dayton might have been the author of the letter in question! That may have been the first AI analysis employed in the Cooper case ?? Ongoing particle analysis by Kaye and Ulis with the analysis of dna Tom may have, holds the potential for a major breakthrough in the Cooper case. Ulis has already named a suspect based on his analysis ? Analytical tools are becoming more and more important in the Cooper case, as time passes. Edited July 16 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Cooper Vortex 92 #63678 July 17 New episode out now! DB Cooper knew how to market himself with my good friend Stuart Macadam. https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-knew-how-to-market-himself-stuart-macadam/ Enjoy! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 230 #63679 July 17 (edited) 19 hours ago, The Cooper Vortex said: New episode out now! DB Cooper knew how to market himself with my good friend Stuart Macadam. https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-knew-how-to-market-himself-stuart-macadam/ Enjoy! Its interesting that your guest claims, as others do, that a primary reason for the hijacking was 'financial distress' of the hijacker. Many people say that is self-evident! (Money is the root of all evil). Likewise it is also self-evident that the money container became detached from Cooper during the jump, which accounts for money turning up years later on Tena Bar. Precisely how the money made its way from the DZ to Tena Bar over years, is a mystery - which probably can only be solved by another chain of 'self-evidents' undiscovered so far after fifty years. One 'self evident' is tied to the next in a chain of 'self evidents'. These chains of 'self-evident' owe their existence to Hammurabi, Aristotle, Isaac Newton, Walt Disney, Richard Nixon, and a few Cooper sleuths. It's all very convenient and 'self-evident'. We know DB Cooper's life and personality so well that we know how he 'marketed' the hijacking . . . and the rest follows logically. We may in fact know more about the Cooper hijacking in 2024, than Cooper himself knew about it in 1971! Future hijackers beware! Future pundits are already nipping at your ass before you have even done your hijacking! Everything is 'self evident'. Fact: DB Cooper conducted a hijacking because he was in very great financial distress, and there are no other options. Money runs the Universe. It's self-evident. Cooper's grudge was financial but not against your airlines. Edited July 17 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 230 #63680 July 18 All attention seems to be focused on Ulis and his new suspect and new testing. Everything else is in suspension until after the Suspection and Coopercon in November. Will the Vortex fall into recession. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dudeman17 311 #63681 July 19 So who's the new suspect? (I'm not on f-book, so I can't read about it there.) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAGdb 86 #63682 July 19 10 hours ago, dudeman17 said: So who's the new suspect? (I'm not on f-book, so I can't read about it there.) I'm not on FB either, but below is the last YOUTUBE video he did about a week and a half ago . He said he wasn't ready to name him yet. But maybe he has on FB? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 230 #63683 July 19 (edited) 19 hours ago, dudeman17 said: So who's the new suspect? (I'm not on f-book, so I can't read about it there.) who is Ulis' suspect Answer Eric Ulis is currently investigating a new suspect in the D.B. Cooper case, alongside his previous person of interest, Vince Petersen. Ulis has not yet publicly named this new suspect but describes him as another worker from Remcru Titanium, a company linked to the materials found on Cooper's tie. This individual reportedly resembles the FBI sketch of Cooper and is about 6'1" tall . Ulis has been a prominent figure in the investigation of the D.B. Cooper hijacking, which occurred in 1971. He previously focused on Vince Petersen, a deceased titanium research engineer who worked for Crucible Steel, a company that supplied materials to Boeing. Ulis believes that Petersen's background and the titanium particles found on Cooper's tie may connect him to the hijacking. However, Petersen's family has expressed skepticism about these claims, stating that they do not believe he was involved in the crime. Ulis continues to explore these leads, emphasizing that he remains open to other potential suspects as he gathers more evidence. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/who-is-ulis-suspect-lcmebahOT..a5U.2pSym9A Edited July 19 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 230 #63684 July 19 (edited) Heads Up - Metagenomics has been mentioned by Tom Kaye etc as a potential option in the Cooper case. what could metagenomics do for the db cooper case Answer Metagenomics could potentially provide valuable insights for the D.B. Cooper case, particularly in analyzing DNA evidence left behind by the hijacker. Here's how metagenomics techniques could be applied: DNA analysis of the tie: The clip-on tie left behind by D.B. Cooper on seat 18-E is considered a crucial piece of evidence . Metagenomic sequencing could be used to analyze the estimated 100,000 particles on the tie, potentially revealing DNA traces from the hijacker . Enhanced detection capabilities: Modern metagenomic techniques offer improved sensitivity in detecting and analyzing trace amounts of DNA, even from degraded or contaminated samples. This could be particularly useful for examining evidence that is decades old . Microbial profiling: Metagenomic analysis could potentially reveal information about the microbial communities present on the tie or other evidence. This microbial profile might provide clues about the environment or geographical location the hijacker was exposed to before the incident . Comparative analysis: By comparing any DNA profiles obtained from the evidence to databases of known individuals or populations, investigators might be able to narrow down potential suspects or determine the hijacker's likely background . Contamination assessment: Metagenomic techniques can help distinguish between DNA from the person of interest and environmental contamination, which is crucial for analyzing evidence that has been handled by multiple people over the years . Partial DNA reconstruction: Even if complete DNA profiles cannot be obtained, metagenomic approaches might allow for the reconstruction of partial genetic information, potentially providing new leads in the investigation While metagenomics offers promising possibilities, it's important to note that the effectiveness of these techniques would depend on the quality and preservation of the available evidence. Additionally, any findings would need to be carefully interpreted within the context of the case and other available information https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-could-metagenomics-do-for-soqBtQW.QnevfAb3ad0MTw Edited July 19 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 47 #63685 July 19 31 minutes ago, georger said: Heads Up - Metagenomics has been mentioned by Tom Kaye etc as a potential option in the Cooper case. what could metagenomics do for the db cooper case Answer Metagenomics could potentially provide valuable insights for the D.B. Cooper case, particularly in analyzing DNA evidence left behind by the hijacker. Here's how metagenomics techniques could be applied: DNA analysis of the tie: The clip-on tie left behind by D.B. Cooper on seat 18-E is considered a crucial piece of evidence . Metagenomic sequencing could be used to analyze the estimated 100,000 particles on the tie, potentially revealing DNA traces from the hijacker . Enhanced detection capabilities: Modern metagenomic techniques offer improved sensitivity in detecting and analyzing trace amounts of DNA, even from degraded or contaminated samples. This could be particularly useful for examining evidence that is decades old . Microbial profiling: Metagenomic analysis could potentially reveal information about the microbial communities present on the tie or other evidence. This microbial profile might provide clues about the environment or geographical location the hijacker was exposed to before the incident . Comparative analysis: By comparing any DNA profiles obtained from the evidence to databases of known individuals or populations, investigators might be able to narrow down potential suspects or determine the hijacker's likely background . Contamination assessment: Metagenomic techniques can help distinguish between DNA from the person of interest and environmental contamination, which is crucial for analyzing evidence that has been handled by multiple people over the years . Partial DNA reconstruction: Even if complete DNA profiles cannot be obtained, metagenomic approaches might allow for the reconstruction of partial genetic information, potentially providing new leads in the investigation While metagenomics offers promising possibilities, it's important to note that the effectiveness of these techniques would depend on the quality and preservation of the available evidence. Additionally, any findings would need to be carefully interpreted within the context of the case and other available information https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-could-metagenomics-do-for-soqBtQW.QnevfAb3ad0MTw Chaucer has previously posted that he is in contact with CeCe Moore who is a genuine expert in tracking down people through DNA and is affiliated with Parabon (sp.?). Moore has helped law enforcement in hundreds of cases including some which received national media attention. If the Cooper case turns up meaningful DNA then Moore should be consulted and the DNA analysis handled on a professional level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAGdb 86 #63686 July 20 3 hours ago, Robert99 said: Chaucer has previously posted that he is in contact with CeCe Moore who is a genuine expert in tracking down people through DNA and is affiliated with Parabon (sp.?). Moore has helped law enforcement in hundreds of cases including some which received national media attention. If the Cooper case turns up meaningful DNA then Moore should be consulted and the DNA analysis handled on a professional level. I have a to laugh a little, according to at least two tie DNA tests, Tom Kaye is Cooper. So many people have handled and been in proximity of the tie, yet DNA tests keep pointing to Kaye, can Tom provide a palm print please ? I mean, I have to believe that Tom took all kinds of precautions, rubber gloves, face masks and STILL he keeps showing up on these little stubs ? Ughhh...makes me wonder, although DNA is probably the best way to identify Cooper, whether there is anything viable left on that dammed thing from 11/24/71. Fingers crossed... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 230 #63687 July 20 (edited) 4 hours ago, JAGdb said: I have a to laugh a little, according to at least two tie DNA tests, Tom Kaye is Cooper. So many people have handled and been in proximity of the tie, yet DNA tests keep pointing to Kaye, can Tom provide a palm print please ? I mean, I have to believe that Tom took all kinds of precautions, rubber gloves, face masks and STILL he keeps showing up on these little stubs ? Ughhh...makes me wonder, although DNA is probably the best way to identify Cooper, whether there is anything viable left on that dammed thing from 11/24/71. Fingers crossed... Beautiful! Thanks.... its been one helluva day starting early this morning with an untested Microsoft update! This is a nice way to end it... Tom is well aware of the possibilities. Edited July 20 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 47 #63688 July 20 2 hours ago, georger said: Beautiful! Thanks.... its been one helluva day starting early this morning with an untested Microsoft update! This is a nice way to end it... Tom is well aware of the possibilities. Reportedly, just one line of the update caused today's mess. If five lines of the update were screwed up, would civilization as we know it still exist tonight? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAGdb 86 #63689 July 20 4 hours ago, Robert99 said: Reportedly, just one line of the update caused today's mess. If five lines of the update were screwed up, would civilization as we know it still exist tonight? "Sorry Mr. Cooper, the computers are down, we have no ticket to sell you, please have a seat, things should be back up in 15 hours or so." I work in IT, it was a harrowing day. Our entire infrastructure depends on a densely connected network of computers that are in some sense too tightly connected and bound together by standardized levels of software and centralization (cloud). While this provides for amazing efficiency, it is also prone to this type of event. At the end of the day, this was human error--which is nothing new, a bad line of code and failure to test and identify it prior to mass roll out. It's a head scratcher for me as to how this wasn't caught. It's definitely a wake up call. The mission of Crowdstrike is to prevent this type of incident, thus the irony is quite thick. I'm sure there will be a lot of changes to come out of this, but the simplest measure is to STOP pushing these mandatory updates out in mass scale, do it in a more measured manner. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 230 #63690 July 20 7 hours ago, JAGdb said: "Sorry Mr. Cooper, the computers are down, we have no ticket to sell you, please have a seat, things should be back up in 15 hours or so." I work in IT, it was a harrowing day. Our entire infrastructure depends on a densely connected network of computers that are in some sense too tightly connected and bound together by standardized levels of software and centralization (cloud). While this provides for amazing efficiency, it is also prone to this type of event. At the end of the day, this was human error--which is nothing new, a bad line of code and failure to test and identify it prior to mass roll out. It's a head scratcher for me as to how this wasn't caught. It's definitely a wake up call. The mission of Crowdstrike is to prevent this type of incident, thus the irony is quite thick. I'm sure there will be a lot of changes to come out of this, but the simplest measure is to STOP pushing these mandatory updates out in mass scale, do it in a more measured manner. I think the whole issue of 'updates' needs to be revisited. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 488 #63691 July 21 On 7/19/2024 at 7:57 PM, JAGdb said: can Tom provide a palm print please ? That's funny lol 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 230 #63692 July 21 (edited) The vortex has been so focused on Kaye/Ulis dna, what other aspects of the case have been ignored? How about finger prints. Has there ever been a 302 Lab Reports about prints? Could modern AI modeling improve the finger prints the FBI has ? Is it possible to reconstruct a person's finger prints based on an incomplete print Answer Reconstructing a person's fingerprints from an incomplete print is a complex and challenging task. Here are some key points based on the available information: Chaotic Nature of Fingerprints: Fingerprints form in the womb through a process influenced by random factors such as the motion of amniotic fluid. This chaotic formation means that even identical twins do not have the same fingerprints, making it difficult to predict or reconstruct missing parts of a fingerprint accurately . AI and Machine Learning Limitations: While AI can generate realistic-looking palm prints, it cannot accurately reconstruct a specific individual's complete fingerprint from a partial print. This is because there is no deterministic relationship between the parts of a fingerprint, and the process of fingerprint formation is too random to model effectively with current AI technologies . Partial Fingerprint Reconstruction: There is ongoing research on reconstructing partial fingerprints, but these methods are typically limited to enhancing or filling in small gaps rather than predicting entirely missing sections. The accuracy of such reconstructions decreases significantly as the missing portion increases . PrintListener Technique: A recent technique called PrintListener can partially reconstruct fingerprints based on the sound made when a finger swipes across a touchscreen. However, this method has a limited success rate, with full reconstructions achieved in only 9.3% of cases and partial reconstructions in 27.9% of cases . Practical Challenges and Security Implications: Even with advanced techniques, the practical challenges of measuring and reconstructing fingerprints at the required precision are significant. Additionally, the security implications of such methods highlight the need for improved biometric security measures to prevent unauthorized access . In summary, while there are methods to enhance or partially reconstruct fingerprints, accurately reconstructing a complete fingerprint from an incomplete print remains highly challenging due to the inherent randomness in fingerprint formation and the limitations of current technologies. Related How accurate are AI models in reconstructing partial fingerprints ? What are the limitations of AI in fingerprint reconstruction ? Can AI generate palm prints from a single finger print ? How do fingerprint sounds help in reconstructing prints ? Are there any real-world applications of reconstructing partial fingerprints ? https://www.perplexity.ai/search/is-it-possible-to-reconstruct-j0Fq7ef8TtC_mcr7i69xyw Edited July 21 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cola 49 #63693 July 22 (edited) 11 hours ago, georger said: How about finger prints. Has there ever been a 302 Lab Reports about prints? Yes, there were prints of value pulled form the magazine parts found in Seattle in the seat back. Without checking my reference - I believe this is where the partial palm prints come from. There was writing here also with felt pen that the Agency was going to pass by witnesses to see if this were in fact his penmanship and that this material was Cooper's. I have been waiting on these pieces to be scanned and released in the 302's. I do believe I once came across an evidence envelop listing - part of magazine on it but no scan of the contents or these items. I'll have to check on that though. I have some immediate work in front of me, but I'll gather and post what I have in 2 weeks time then OCD out on prints with anyone else that cares to toss a hat in. Edited July 22 by Cola 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 230 #63694 July 22 3 hours ago, Cola said: Yes, there were prints of value pulled form the magazine parts found in Seattle in the seat back. Without checking my reference - I believe this is where the partial palm prints come from. There was writing here also with felt pen that the Agency was going to pass by witnesses to see if this were in fact his penmanship and that this material was Cooper's. I have been waiting on these pieces to be scanned and released in the 302's. I do believe I once came across an evidence envelop listing - part of magazine on it but no scan of the contents or these items. I'll have to check on that though. I have some immediate work in front of me, but I'll gather and post what I have in 2 weeks time then OCD out on prints with anyone else that cares to toss a hat in. sounds good - Thanks! I admit Im beating the bushes but anything helps and adds up ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CooperNWO305 147 #63695 July 24 https://thedbcooperhijacking.wordpress.com/2024/07/22/cooper-con-organizer-eric-ulis-defaults-on-4700-bill-owed-to-the-seattle-museum-of-flight/ I felt this was important enough to post for anyone who has bought tickets or flights or plans to. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dudeman17 311 #63696 July 24 Aww geez. Let's see... The museum should sue Ulis for payment of the bill. Ulis should sue Blevins for invasion of privacy and public slander. The museum should sue Blevins for fraudulently obtaining the invoice. Ulis should sue the museum for sending the invoice to Blevins. Can Blevins sue anybody? Anyway, this should all happen on Judge Judy so we can all watch, munch popcorn, and laugh. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 488 #63697 July 24 (edited) 8 hours ago, dudeman17 said: Ulis should sue Blevins for invasion of privacy and public slander The truth is an absolute defense against slander. Is what Blevins said true or not? Edited July 25 by olemisscub Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Cooper Vortex 92 #63698 July 25 New episode out now! DB Cooper's Black Box with my good friend Ned Dehan! https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-coopers-black-box-ned-dehan/ Enjoy! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dudeman17 311 #63699 July 25 4 hours ago, olemisscub said: The truth is an absolute defense against slander. Is what Blevins said true or not? Haha, I thought the lawyer in you might cite that. Obviously I was making a joke, but I would be curious your legal opinion on the manner by which Blevins obtained the invoice. I don't buy that he intended to pay the bill, even if small. He may have, but I'd guess that his whole motive was to obtain a document that is essentially none of his business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 230 #63700 July 25 (edited) 11 hours ago, olemisscub said: The truth is an absolute defense against slander. Is what Blevins said true or not? RMB is an untouchable topic almost guaranteed to stop traffic and sow discord on any Cooper forum! Many bitter memories that closed this forum down several times leaving Blevins here alone for almost a year until he was finally terminated. In case you are unaware? Good luck! Edited July 25 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
