Robert99 48 #63626 June 23 3 hours ago, georger said: (Robert99 may be correct ?) Georger, what have you been drinking? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63627 June 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Robert99 said: Georger, what have you been drinking? Based on the search results, Robert Nicholson (also known as Robert99 on the DB Cooper Forum) has proposed some interesting theories about the DB Cooper case, but his credibility is mixed: Nicholson is described as a "long-time student of the case" and has relevant expertise as a retired aeronautical engineer, skydiver, and private pilot . This background lends some credibility to his technical analysis. His main theory, known as the Malay-Canby transect theory, proposes an alternative flight path for the hijacked plane that would explain how the money ended up at Tina Bar . While this theory is described as "elegant and compelling," there is no corroborating evidence from the pilot or other sources to support it. A significant issue with Nicholson's theory is that it conflicts with physical evidence. The 727-staircase instructional placard found in Silver Lake places the aircraft solidly in the Victor-23 airway, about ten miles south of where Nicholson's proposed flight path diverges . This contradicts a key aspect of his theory. The search results do not provide any information about peer review or widespread acceptance of Nicholson's theories among other Cooper researchers or law enforcement. The flight path analysis conducted by Citizen Sleuths, which used FBI transcripts, radar data, and interviews with the original air traffic controller, supports the original FBI flight path and does not support alternative theories like Nicholson' In conclusion, while Robert Nicholson has relevant expertise and has developed detailed theories, the available evidence does not fully support his claims. His work appears to be part of the broader landscape of amateur investigation into the DB Cooper case, but it should be viewed with skepticism due to the lack of corroborating evidence and conflicts with some physical findings. As with many aspects of the DB Cooper case, Nicholson's theories remain speculative rather than conclusive. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/is-cooper-sleuth-VuK94Z06T0Wi.YMxMVFEHw However* Flyjack research claims the placard referred to above did not come from N467US flight 305. Based on Flyjack's recent finding this finding above may be in error and R99 and Ulis are right after all ! That is all folks. Edited June 23 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 48 #63628 June 24 (edited) 18 hours ago, georger said: Based on the search results, Robert Nicholson (also known as Robert99 on the DB Cooper Forum) has proposed some interesting theories about the DB Cooper case, but his credibility is mixed: Nicholson is described as a "long-time student of the case" and has relevant expertise as a retired aeronautical engineer, skydiver, and private pilot . This background lends some credibility to his technical analysis. His main theory, known as the Malay-Canby transect theory, proposes an alternative flight path for the hijacked plane that would explain how the money ended up at Tina Bar . While this theory is described as "elegant and compelling," there is no corroborating evidence from the pilot or other sources to support it. A significant issue with Nicholson's theory is that it conflicts with physical evidence. The 727-staircase instructional placard found in Silver Lake places the aircraft solidly in the Victor-23 airway, about ten miles south of where Nicholson's proposed flight path diverges . This contradicts a key aspect of his theory. The search results do not provide any information about peer review or widespread acceptance of Nicholson's theories among other Cooper researchers or law enforcement. The flight path analysis conducted by Citizen Sleuths, which used FBI transcripts, radar data, and interviews with the original air traffic controller, supports the original FBI flight path and does not support alternative theories like Nicholson' In conclusion, while Robert Nicholson has relevant expertise and has developed detailed theories, the available evidence does not fully support his claims. His work appears to be part of the broader landscape of amateur investigation into the DB Cooper case, but it should be viewed with skepticism due to the lack of corroborating evidence and conflicts with some physical findings. As with many aspects of the DB Cooper case, Nicholson's theories remain speculative rather than conclusive. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/is-cooper-sleuth-VuK94Z06T0Wi.YMxMVFEHw However* Flyjack research claims the placard referred to above did not come from N467US flight 305. Based on Flyjack's recent finding this finding above may be in error and R99 and Ulis are right after all ! That is all folks. ****************************************************************************************** Georger, you have a long history of mis-quoting me and it continues with this post. For instance, I have never claimed to be a '"long-time student of the case'". I only became interested in technically looking at it in 2009 when the FBI asked for public assistance. And for about a year after I joined this forum and started posting here, you were in touch with me almost every day, and several times some days, on what I was doing. And when the facts didn't support your theories, you went bonkers. Apparently, you had plans to write a book and those plans didn't work out. Georger, you claim that I appear to be a "part of the broader landscape of amateur investigation" in the Cooper matter. The "amateur" is you. You and some other self-styled "experts" here are the real amateurs and have been a drag on understanding the Cooper hijacking. And, of course, the self-styled "experts" are the people who refuse to list any aeronautical qualifications because they apparently don't have any. The original flight path, which we conveniently blame on the FBI even though they probably didn't have anything to do with developing it, was something that I debunked in one of my very first posts on this forum. That flight path simply will not fly. What is now known as the Western Flight Path and the placard location have been fully explained on this forum. If you don't like the results, then that is your problem and not mine. You are still free to shoot from the bushes. You can whine all you want, but I stand by what I have posted here. ADDENDUM: Georger, one final question. Who posted the comments in the link you cited? Edited June 24 by Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63629 June 24 (edited) 3 hours ago, Robert99 said: R99. Read carefully if you have the credentials to comprehend what I am saying ! The quotations about you above are from PerplexityAI. Not from me. I did not write what Perplexity is saying about you on their website. I even gave the url for the PerplexityAI quote. Let me repeat it again for you,. The url is: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/is-cooper-sleuth-VuK94Z06T0Wi.YMxMVFEHw The remarks about you I posted are from PerplexityAI - not from me !!!!! Go to the url above and read it for yourself. If you have a quarrel with what Perplexity says, argue with them. If you dont understand, get one of your grandchildren who has basic computer internet skills to explain it to you. Good luck R99, Aeronautical Engineer. Edited June 24 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63630 June 24 (edited) On 6/19/2024 at 9:23 AM, olemisscub said: Show I did with Tom last night. On 6/19/2024 at 9:23 AM, olemisscub said: Show I did with Tom last night. I finally got the time to listen to this uninterrupted. This is a very good interview. And enjoyable. Perhaps now you have an idea why Tom Kaye was selected, and recommended to Agent Carr. Key was Tom's spectroscopic skills/experience based on my familiarity with his work on an advanced astronomical spectroscopy Yahoo Group where Tom had also illustrated his work in archaeological spectroscopy applications. The question at the time was 'would Tom even be interested'. The analysis of money from the Cooper find looked like a straightforward task Tom could do, looking for forensic evidence that would shed light on where the money had been prior to being on Tina Bar. One FBI theory at the time was that the Cooper money had flowed down the Washougal into the Columbia before arriving at Tina Bar. The Washougal and Tina Bar are in different geological regions. We were curious to see if the money had preserved any particle-elemental evidence of having ever been in the Washougal vs. the Columbia (a sedimentary zone). Tom has proven to be very flexible, inventive, persistent, and thoroughly scientific in his whole approach to the problems he has encountered in his Cooper work to date - and very sociable and agreeable with everyone he has had to deal with. Thanks for a remarkable interview! PS: And thanks to SA Larry Carr and the FBI for their support of Tom and his team. Edited June 24 by georger 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63631 June 25 (edited) I am going to make this as clear as possible - Once again. I am appealing to attorney Galen Cook and/or Bruce Smith (if he knows),. to document Cook's claim that Cooper money was found at Tena Bar PRIOR to the Ingram find. Some sleuths claim to know all about this!? We need to put this claim to rest once and for all. We need to clear the table of a lot of "claims" spread in the Cooper vortex over the years. This claim by Cook is one of those. The Ingram find itself indicates that money had been at Tena Bar for some time, days to years, at the very least. Different people have different claims about just how long Cooper money was in place at Tena Bar prior to the Ingram find. Tom's diatoms do not provide an answer because those diatoms cannot be dated, apparently. Anything that provides evidence about how long Cooper money was in place at Tena Bar, would be helpful and may be crucial. Or, if anyone knows about any forensic technique that could be employed to determine when the money arrived at Tena Bar, please come forward. *Work the problem folks and stop all of the social-media bullshit. Edited June 25 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cola 49 #63632 June 26 5 hours ago, georger said: *Work the problem folks and stop all of the social-media bullshit. Dear Coops, If your out there. Just so you know, you can always social media with me buddy. Hey, a PM for the Holidays would be nice but don't fell obligated. WBS COLA 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63633 June 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cola said: Dear Coops, If your out there. Just so you know, you can always social media with me buddy. Hey, a PM for the Holidays would be nice but don't fell obligated. WBS COLA Georger said: *Work the problem folks and stop all of the social-media bullshit. Of course. DB Cooper excluded! Edited June 26 by georger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicholas Broughton 69 #63634 June 26 Help me jump a jet! https://gofund.me/2b216231 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Cooper Vortex 93 #63635 June 26 New episode out now! DB Cooper can be anyone you want, with my good friend Jay Coleman. https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-can-be-anyone-you-want-jay-coleman/ Enjoy! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63636 June 27 (edited) What if the tie is a prop, like the bomb. Everything staged. An artifice. Then you might look for someone good at stage crafting vs the high tech industry ? Someone with a grudge against the government or those governing at the time. Did McNally have an opinion about this? Edited June 27 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cola 49 #63637 June 27 On 6/25/2024 at 8:10 PM, georger said: *Work the problem folks and stop all of the social-media bullshit. Georger, Your right. For me my intent of being here was to focus on the problem and sharpen my understanding by interacting with members of the Vortex. However, I have embraced the social aspect of the Vortex and I've rarely had a chance to get at the depth of the problems. I declined FB because I know it's easy social dopamine and I would be consumed by the chatter over there. I've always been good with resolutions so till the end of this year, I'm going to re-commit myself to focusing on the problem and refrain from social postings in the Vortex. Maybe this is the one change I need. Best, COLA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 488 #63638 June 27 1 hour ago, georger said: Did McNally have an opinion about this? Mac's opinion, since I've began speaking to him regularly, is that Cooper was just a thief, same as he was. A smarter thief than himself, he will admit, but still just a thief. It was just a "clever bank robbery", in other words. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63639 June 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, Cola said: Georger, Your right. For me my intent of being here was to focus on the problem and sharpen my understanding by interacting with members of the Vortex. However, I have embraced the social aspect of the Vortex and I've rarely had a chance to get at the depth of the problems. I declined FB because I know it's easy social dopamine and I would be consumed by the chatter over there. I've always been good with resolutions so till the end of this year, I'm going to re-commit myself to focusing on the problem and refrain from social postings in the Vortex. Maybe this is the one change I need. Best, COLA Each to his own. I came to this because of family connections in WA. Later by pure chance I wound up with several connections to the Unabomber case. Forensics has always peaked my interest. I have no personal stake in the Cooper case. The money find is curious to me; likewise Tom's particles on Cooper's tie, if it is his tie. I think a workplace epidemiologist would be intrigued by the cocktail on Cooper's tie, to put it mildly. Edited June 27 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63640 June 27 3 hours ago, olemisscub said: Mac's opinion, since I've began speaking to him regularly, is that Cooper was just a thief, same as he was. A smarter thief than himself, he will admit, but still just a thief. It was just a "clever bank robbery", in other words. I picked up on your comment about 'intelligent people with blind spots', especially in the heat of passion. Interesting observation - - - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c99acer 7 #63641 June 27 7 hours ago, georger said: What if the tie is a prop, like the bomb. Everything staged. An artifice. The tie was a prop like the rest of his suit - part of his disguise. A disguised person wouldn't wear the same thing they wear in their daily life (sorry Tom: I don't think Cooper was that Engineer you mentioned in the video). Tremendous and very thorough research to find out the occupation of the tie donor, though! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63642 June 28 (edited) 10 hours ago, c99acer said: The tie was a prop like the rest of his suit - part of his disguise. A disguised person wouldn't wear the same thing they wear in their daily life (sorry Tom: I don't think Cooper was that Engineer you mentioned in the video). Tremendous and very thorough research to find out the occupation of the tie donor, though! This would blow things wide open. Its always been there hovering ............................ But like everything else in this case its fully of problems. When all is said and done the most direct route to Cooper is his dna and prints. Where could Cooper have picked up or manufactured such a rare combination of particles perhaps by accident ? Edited June 28 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63643 June 29 (edited) On 6/23/2024 at 2:02 AM, Robert99 said: Georger, what have you been drinking? When the FBI chose the word "intact" to describe the Ingram rubber bands, that was probably the worst most misleading term they could have chosen, destined to plague and mislead matters to the bitter end. The media has compounded the error to this very day because: in no sense were these rubber bands "intact" ! Intact: remaining uninjured, sound, or whole not altered, broken, or impaired; remaining uninjured, sound, or whole; untouched; unblemished: The vase remained intact despite rough handling. not changed or diminished; not influenced or swayed: Despite misfortune, his faith is still intact. Medical Definition: physically and functionally complete. It all relates to the history of the found money and its journey to Tena Bar. Moreover, it relates to the history of the 'bank straps' FJ and others insist were on the bundles of bills, if they were ever there at all, based on how the money felt between some guy's legs ? And none of it survived to be examined, apparently, by anyone except briefly by the Ingrams as they picked band fragments off trying to make the money presentable for redemption at a bank! Its a curse that refuses to go away! I wonder if our Simian ancestors will have dispensed with this term 'intact' when discussing the case in 5024 ? The best that can be said is there were 'remnants' of rubber bands still on the found money with no hint of bank straps some claim was on the money. Because as we all know, bank straps vanish in the presence of the Lord! Edited June 29 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63644 July 1 (edited) We were previously told (by experts) that Kraft paper dissolves easily in water. This assertion was accepted without challenge. A paper chemist now challenges that assertion and AI disagrees also. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/has-fast-does-kraft-paper-diso-1BJohcaYT8yBPnx3ILZmkA Kraft paper does not dissolve quickly in water. In fact, kraft paper is known for its strength and water resistance compared to other types of paper . Kraft paper is made using the kraft process, which produces strong paper fibers that are resistant to water absorption. This water resistance is one of the key properties that makes kraft paper suitable for various packaging applications. To enhance the water resistance of kraft paper even further, manufacturers can add polyamide or polyamine resin to the kraft fibers and cure it under heat. This process creates what is known as wet strength kraft paper, which is even more resistant to water. It's worth noting that while kraft paper is water-resistant, it is not completely waterproof. The rate at which it absorbs water can vary depending on the specific type of kraft paper and any additional treatments it may have undergone. For instance, recycled board may absorb water significantly faster than kraft paper . If you're looking for a paper that dissolves quickly in water, kraft paper would not be the appropriate choice due to its inherent water-resistant properties. Do bank straps dissolve in water? Bank straps made of kraft paper do not dissolve quickly in water. Here's why: Material: Bank straps are typically made of kraft paper, which is known for its strength and water resistance Durability: Kraft paper is designed to be sturdy and hold up well under various conditions, including some exposure to moisture Purpose: The straps are meant to securely hold bundles of currency, so they need to maintain their integrity even in slightly damp conditions Composition: Some bank straps are made of high-quality 50# white kraft paper, which further enhances their durability Water-resistant properties: Kraft paper, in general, has water-resistant qualities that make it suitable for packaging and other applications where moisture resistance is important. Adhesive: Many bank straps feature a pressure-sensitive adhesive, which may provide additional water resistance While kraft paper bank straps are not designed to dissolve in water, they are still environmentally friendly. They are often made of recyclable materials and can be safely shredded along with currency when necessary, unlike rubber bands This combination of durability and eco-friendliness makes kraft paper an ideal material for bank straps. How long does it take for kraft paper bank straps to disintegrate in water Based on the search results provided, there is no specific information about how long it takes for kraft paper bank straps to disintegrate in water. However, we can infer some relevant points: Kraft paper, in general, is known for its strength and water resistance. This suggests that kraft paper bank straps would not disintegrate quickly in water. The study on water-dispersible paper for packaging applications indicates that even papers designed to disintegrate in water require specific conditions and time to break down. For example, their disintegration test involved stirring times of 5-20 minutes, depending on the paper type Factors affecting paper dispersibility in water include lignin content, refining, and starch dosage. Bank straps, being designed for durability, likely have properties that enhance water resistance rather than promote quick disintegratio Water-activated tapes, which are also often made of kraft paper, require water to activate their adhesive properties but are not designed to disintegrate quickly in water Bank straps are typically made of recyclable natural brown kraft paper and are designed to be a durable substitute for rubber bands Given these points, it's reasonable to conclude that kraft paper bank straps would not disintegrate quickly in water. They are likely to maintain their integrity for an extended period when exposed to water, possibly hours or even days, depending on the specific composition and treatment of the paper. However, without specific testing on bank straps, it's not possible to provide an exact timeframe for their disintegration in water. Edited July 1 by georger 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63645 July 1 (edited) As much as some people see this as an "impediment" to the Cooper case, after discussing the issue openly with several retired FBI agents, I am moving on to try and address specific issues which have surfaced and are important to the Cooper case. Question: Can diatoms found on the Cooper money be dated to within a ten year period 1970-1980 ? Answer No, diatoms cannot be dated to a specific 10-year period like 1970-1980 using current radiocarbon dating techniques. The search results indicate a few key points: Radiocarbon dating of diatoms provides ages for the overall diatom population in a sediment sample, not the precise year each individual diatom was produced The maximum age resolution that can be achieved with radiocarbon dating is around 60-100 years, depending on the method used . This is much coarser than a 10-year period. Radiocarbon dating has an upper limit of around 60,000 years, with some techniques extending it to 100,000 years . So it could not be used to date diatoms from the recent 1970-1980 period. There can be offsets between the radiocarbon ages of diatoms and other sediment components like foraminifera, likely due to factors like bioturbation and contamination . This further complicates the dating of diatoms to a precise time period. In summary, while radiocarbon dating can provide ages for diatom populations in sediments, the dating resolution is not high enough to pinpoint diatoms to a specific 10-year period like 1970-1980. The search results do not indicate any methods that could achieve such precise dating of individual diatoms. Conclusion: some other method or some other aspect of the money find needs to be identified and tested which might shed light on when the Cooper money arrived at Tena Bar, and how . . . Edited July 1 by georger 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicholas Broughton 69 #63646 July 2 16 hours ago, georger said: We were previously told (by experts) that Kraft paper dissolves easily in water. This assertion was accepted without challenge. A paper chemist now challenges that assertion and AI disagrees also. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/has-fast-does-kraft-paper-diso-1BJohcaYT8yBPnx3ILZmkA Kraft paper does not dissolve quickly in water. In fact, kraft paper is known for its strength and water resistance compared to other types of paper . Kraft paper is made using the kraft process, which produces strong paper fibers that are resistant to water absorption. This water resistance is one of the key properties that makes kraft paper suitable for various packaging applications. To enhance the water resistance of kraft paper even further, manufacturers can add polyamide or polyamine resin to the kraft fibers and cure it under heat. This process creates what is known as wet strength kraft paper, which is even more resistant to water. It's worth noting that while kraft paper is water-resistant, it is not completely waterproof. The rate at which it absorbs water can vary depending on the specific type of kraft paper and any additional treatments it may have undergone. For instance, recycled board may absorb water significantly faster than kraft paper . If you're looking for a paper that dissolves quickly in water, kraft paper would not be the appropriate choice due to its inherent water-resistant properties. Do bank straps dissolve in water? Bank straps made of kraft paper do not dissolve quickly in water. Here's why: Material: Bank straps are typically made of kraft paper, which is known for its strength and water resistance Durability: Kraft paper is designed to be sturdy and hold up well under various conditions, including some exposure to moisture Purpose: The straps are meant to securely hold bundles of currency, so they need to maintain their integrity even in slightly damp conditions Composition: Some bank straps are made of high-quality 50# white kraft paper, which further enhances their durability Water-resistant properties: Kraft paper, in general, has water-resistant qualities that make it suitable for packaging and other applications where moisture resistance is important. Adhesive: Many bank straps feature a pressure-sensitive adhesive, which may provide additional water resistance While kraft paper bank straps are not designed to dissolve in water, they are still environmentally friendly. They are often made of recyclable materials and can be safely shredded along with currency when necessary, unlike rubber bands This combination of durability and eco-friendliness makes kraft paper an ideal material for bank straps. How long does it take for kraft paper bank straps to disintegrate in water Based on the search results provided, there is no specific information about how long it takes for kraft paper bank straps to disintegrate in water. However, we can infer some relevant points: Kraft paper, in general, is known for its strength and water resistance. This suggests that kraft paper bank straps would not disintegrate quickly in water. The study on water-dispersible paper for packaging applications indicates that even papers designed to disintegrate in water require specific conditions and time to break down. For example, their disintegration test involved stirring times of 5-20 minutes, depending on the paper type Factors affecting paper dispersibility in water include lignin content, refining, and starch dosage. Bank straps, being designed for durability, likely have properties that enhance water resistance rather than promote quick disintegratio Water-activated tapes, which are also often made of kraft paper, require water to activate their adhesive properties but are not designed to disintegrate quickly in water Bank straps are typically made of recyclable natural brown kraft paper and are designed to be a durable substitute for rubber bands Given these points, it's reasonable to conclude that kraft paper bank straps would not disintegrate quickly in water. They are likely to maintain their integrity for an extended period when exposed to water, possibly hours or even days, depending on the specific composition and treatment of the paper. However, without specific testing on bank straps, it's not possible to provide an exact timeframe for their disintegration in water. An experiment Chaucer did a while back would suggest otherwise. This was 24 hours after bath tub submergence. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63647 July 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nicholas Broughton said: An experiment Chaucer did a while back would suggest otherwise. This was 24 hours after bath tub submergence. Thanks. Interesting ........... speaks for itself! Thanks for posting this!! First time Im seeing this. wow I also found an AI return that basically gives credit to Ulis for the work TK did. No mention of Tom or McCrone at all. Here I found it again - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.perplexity.ai/search/will-the-db-cooper-case-ever-b-NvFr5EImTPusgotm9FAx4A What methods did Eric Ulis use to analyze the metal fragment Answer Eric Ulis used a few key methods to analyze the metal fragment found on D.B. Cooper's tie: He applied sticky carbon circles to portions of the tie, which pulled off some of the particles when removed. This allowed scientists to extract over 100,000 particles from the tie for analysis Ulis then used modern state-of-the-art technology, not available in 1971, to analyze the particles. This technology was able to "tell a story" about the fragments Specifically, Ulis traced three fragments from the tie to a specific steel manufacturer called Crucible Steel, located in the suburbs of Pittsburgh. He did this by using U.S. patents, about 18 months ago No mention of Tom or McCrone. No mention of Chaucer's experiment which is brand new. This is 50% of the reason Ive been posting these AI returns. To get somebody's opinion about them. The last thing we need is more internet garbage! Thanks for your post.... Im tempted to dump all of this AI material but I hate to do it! There may be no choice... Edited July 2 by georger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63648 July 2 (edited) Back to basics. When the money arrived at TBar is probably associated with the date of the 'upper active' 8" sand layer in which the money was found, as noted by Dr. Palmer. Immediately below that layer was an 8-24" 'cross bedded layer" which represents an earlier and larger slice of time going back to some undetermined date. While samples of these sand layers were not kept for lab analysis, the FBI did take high resolution photos of Palmer's trench and the surrounding area being dug, and Tom got to see those photos in Seattle and apparently copied several of those photos which he shared with me and others ... so Palmer's layers were photographed and documented. Attached is one of those photos Tom shared.with me when I was a part of the team. This photo shows the layers Palmer found and assessed. No core sampling was done at Tena Bar to document the site. So all we really have are these photos and the socalled 'Palmer report' with Palmer explaining his analysis of the site. Tom disagrees with Palmer's 1980 identification of strata. If core samples or sand samples had been kept, isotopic mineral analysis might have provided a date or range of dates perhaps leading to a better estimate of when the Ingram find was buried. But again, sand samples are not kept for testing. But, the FBI photos of the strata taken in Feb 1980, are still available for whatever value they have. Edited July 2 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 488 #63649 July 4 Chris Cunningham and I did a show last night for anyone interested. Also available on the DB Cooper Sleuth podcast on all apps. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 235 #63650 July 5 (edited) 14 hours ago, olemisscub said: Chris Cunningham and I did a show last night for anyone interested. Also available on the DB Cooper Sleuth podcast on all apps. I think Cooper always intended to bail exactly where he bailed, he knew 305 was headed south back toward Portland-Vancouver and when he saw the lights of that meto area coming up he knew he was coming up on Portland-Vancouver. That is why Cooper money was found along the shoreline of Vancouver and not near Seattle or Reno or at Minneapolis or New York City! Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar! We may never knew what happened after he bailed. When ideas get started in the vortex, no matter the truth, these ideas are damned near impossible to get rid of regardless of the truth. We dont have Cooper to ask so we ask experts to speak for Cooper. Millions of people now believe Cooper intended to bail at Seattle, and the truth of it is irrelevant! Congrats to the power of the internet . . . They should have brought ex OSS agent Julia Child in to get her recipe about Cooper's intentions ! In addition to cooking, Julia was an expert on repelling sharks and moles and evil doers. Julia would have definitely had an idea about Cooper's 'intentions'. Edited July 5 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites