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4 hours ago, Andrade1812 said:

Fly, I am taking another look at Duane Weber, what FBI doc delat with him?

Why...

That was a joke. You should just call up the wife. She will tell you everything. Most of it won't make a bit of sense, but there it is. 

I'm pretty tired. I just finished putting up 120 high-def versions of hit songs, mostly 60's-80's stuff, onto a flash drive in two separate folders on the drive. And I barely scratched the surface on how much that flash drive will hold. It's for the Cooper Festival. I need a total playlist of around 8 hours. Anything else will have to come from people who bring their own stuff on their CD's, THEIR flash drives, or we can bluetooth them onto the stereo. It was more work than I thought because most of them had to be converted to MP3 formats from video. Fortunately, I have Format Factory. 

Placed three more applicants onto the email update list today. I have told one of the Auburn newspapers that they can go ahead and run a story, as long as they agree to run an update story in mid-May, about two weeks prior to the festival. They agreed to that and I'm supposed to furnish some pictures and a press release when ready. I think after the first of the year is appropriate. 

Slowly, but surely we are pulling this thing together for June. Brother, I am glad I didn't try planning this one like a couple of months later. Six months seems like just enough time to do it right. Had we started all this in say....April of next year...it would NEVER have worked. No way. 

Greg, Kyle, and I decided today that when we reach 250 confirmed attendees...that will be IT. I don't think we can handle 400 people, although the permit allows that many. We've also decided to give away some Cooper Collectibles in some kind of contest (not the Lookalike contest), a contest we haven't thought up the nature of yet, but we will. Ideas keep popping up as we go.

There is absolutely NO way I could have organized this without the help of several people, I can tell you that. Not a chance in hell. 

The Peanut Gallery over at Bruce Smith's place has been spouting their usual negativity about this festival, sort of like pea soup out of the mouth of Linda Blair. I told Bruce once that he puts up nice articles on the Cooper case, and then the Peanut heads jump in with their silly comments and it makes HIM look bad. Since I don't post there, and haven't for his last several articles, I wonder if his readers get confused. ('Who the heck are they talking about? Who is this Blevins guy...?')

Hard to say. Maybe curiousity about the comments at Bruce's place is why book sales on Blast are way up. We've moved more than 350 copies in the last 30 days according to Lightning Source/Ingram, but LSI won't tell you WHERE the sales are coming from. They aren't coming from Amazon. Our ranking there is about the same as it always has been, more or less. It's a mystery. And I haven't been on TV or anything for a long time. I dunno...it's good, but still a mystery. 

However...if you do happen to live in Washington state, or at least close enough to drive to this event, you will have a lot of fun for sure. We are trying to pay tribute to similar things that were done for all those years at the Ariel Store parties, only ours will go on for two days and nights, and we're not charging for anything. Greg says we should do bumper stickers with a Cooper Festival theme, to hand out to attendees. Wants to get them from CafePress. We have an account there but I haven't used it much. I may look around to see what they have that we can personalize that won't cost too much. 

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I released an article today about the upcoming Cooper Festival (with historical illustrations) to the general Quora dot com community, as well as our Quora Cooper space there. You have to pay homage to history before you start making history of your own. On submissions to Quora I get serious about them because our content there is closing in on four million views. Plus I share to my personal followers (about 700 people) and to the 2,000 followers of the Quora Cooper space. 

This is where I do an 'opening kickoff' on anything I believe is important for people to know with events, or the Cooper case in general. It won't be long before this particular entry is shared by many others, and seen by a great number of people.

I do a brief history of the Ariel Store Cooper Parties along the way. 

https://www.quora.com/Are-there-public-celebrations-for-the-skyjacker-D-B-Cooper-today/answer/Robert-Blevins-2

The article linked above will be the one given to media in our press release, and the one where we send them to because it has the relevant internet links. I will remind Cooperland folks that we are offering to present YOUR media, YOUR book, and YOUR videos with whatever you wish to say, for the crowd at the event...as well as media sources if you wish. Contact me for details on how this is done. (It's pretty easy.) In this way, you can not only participate remotely, but frankly....toss your case out to the public and help sell your Cooper books. Chances like this don't come along every day. Currently about 15 people a week are signing up for the monthly email update, with a majority of them saying they want to attend. At that rate, (and we expect more interest soon) we will fill all slots for personal attendance in less than 90 days. I will allow people to arrange to have their content, whatever pitch or video or whatever you want presented both at the event and to the media, WITHOUT slanting or making opinions on your content. These submissions for presentation are open until about May 1. That is, unless we run out of room on our rather loose schedule. It's basically a party. In other words, camping activities, presentations, and Cooper discussions during the day, and yes...party at night both Friday and Saturday with music, movies, dancing, and more of the submitted videos. All running the weekend of Friday, June 4-6, 2021. We pack it up on Sunday morning. 

However...in order to take advantage of such coverage, and have your content presented both at the event and TO the media...you have to get off your butt and take some action on your own. That means contacting me at [email protected] and asking for details. No one can say I didn't offer ALL of Cooperland an opportunity to participate, no matter WHERE you live. ^_^ Videos on the big screen work pretty well. Maybe you should start planning one. We can present anything you care to shoot, even 4K stuff in widescreen. We ask you to limit your video to no more than 30 minutes and try to make it look semi-professional. Videos with personal attack comments against other people in Cooperland will be rejected. You can pick on the FBI, Northwest Airlines, or other organizations involved in investigating the Cooper case all you want. B)

The 50th Anniversary Cooper Festival is an all-inclusive event. We are even making adjustments for disabled folk. If you've had differences with AB, or even myself personally, none of that matters for this one. 

It says so at the website. At least about the disabled folk. The other thing, I decided to tell you personally. 

On a side note, and to try and cheer you up Cooper fans...this is absolutely the best video I've seen all week. Yes, the robots are programmed, it's not CGI. The song they used is already on our playlist for the festival. One of my favorites. Our playlist has two versions. One with just the songs. The other version has the videos for them included. Music after dark will be played with the videos going on the big screen. You gotta love it. We managed this by doing all songs in their official MP4 video versions, and then converting them to strictly MP3 files for the music by itself, while saving the video versions on a separate flash drive. Greg thought it up, of course. He pointed out there was an audio-out connection on the media player that could go directly to the stereo system, and that the media projector contains a USB input port. The guy is a frickin' genius, I swear. 

 

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So I see on the TV news today that Dawn Wells ('Mary Ann' from Gilligan's Island) died from Covid-19. Brother, that damn virus has no compassion at all. (The remainder of this post was deleted, because frankly...I couldn't figure out the truth one way or another regarding whether Bob Denver actually received residuals.)

Only one person contacted me today asking to be put on the email list for the Cooper Festival. I checked them out as usual...they passed my normal 'You aren't using a phony email and you ARE a real person' check...then added to the list. I think we're at a 112 total now on the list, but that should increase as spring approaches. One other applicant hasn't been deleted yet, but he has failed to answer two email challenges in a week, (we answer all requests by email) and he will be deleted from the list. I should have known anyway. The email he provided was real enough, but has never been used anywhere else on the internet prior to his application. This particular check is done by Greg the Techie Guy, not me. It's how we keep out the spammers, and how we determine whether someone just created a new email address to get on the list. Yes...this sort of thing can be checked. 

We only deal with real people. I would much rather have 250 attendees to this event that are legitimate, than just adding anyone to the list who asks out of the blind, or attempts to fool us, or is a spammer. I figure since we have several months to build this 'legitimate list' and create some solid relationship with these folks...it won't be a problem since we have so long to do it. Quality is better than quantity sometimes. The festival is free, the food is free (Saturday night BBQ anyway), the media coverage is free, and the prizes and gifts are free. There's nothing wrong with making sure people are serious when they say they want to atttend. Or...asking them to jump through a couple of simple hoops to do so. As I have said previously, something harder to obtain is sometimes more often desired. I figure after I authorize the first newspaper article for this event, we will be flooded with apps anyway. (Right now is not a good time for newspaper coverage due to Covid, the lack of massively available vaccines, the situation with Trump and his cronies, it's still the middle of winter, etc. I should wait on that until the first week of March we're thinking.)  Some of the folks on the legitimate list are actually emailing me and asking for suggestions on what they should bring along and brother...those emails get answered right away. 

So why waste time right NOW on spammers and phonies?  ^_^ But once these slots get filled, that's it. We're cutting off the webpages and the list. A consideration for those of you who have chosen to ignore this event so far, even after my many comprehensive posts about it. Trust me...we're going to eventually get more people who want to show up than we can handle and with or without your support...it will be the most successful DB Cooper event ever held in the Pacific Northwest. You can keep drinking the Kool Aid, or you can choose to come on board while you've still got a shot to do so, either remotely with a submission or in person. Or you can sit on your hands and enjoy those nice comments over at Mountain News. But I doubt you will have an opportunity like this again. 

You want sales of your Cooper book? You want attention to your blog, maybe get some real media attention for once? You have to go at the public. That is where the market is...not from backslapping with other Cooper authors or investigators. They already know you have a book out there. Or a blog. Or a website.

It's the reading public and the serious media you have to reach. All of this may sound harsh, and perhaps it is, but we will call it 'tough love'. I think some of you out there in Cooperland don't really understand the nature of this event. It's not to boost the popularity of Adventure Books of Seattle. It's a GIFT to Cooper fans and the general Cooper community at large. Well...and a party. If it were All About Me, I would be up onstage hosting the thing and post big banners at the fesival with the name of our publishing company all over them. Neither of those things will happen. This one isn't about ME. It's about everyone else, especially those Cooper fans you never hear about. They got screwed by poor documentaries and the closing of the Ariel Store. We're going to fix all that, at least for 2021. Oh yes, we will. 

We want to find out exactly who the best 250-300 fans of the Cooper case really are. And we will find that out as well. I guarantee it. 

 

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I will wish you all a Happy New Year...and only guarantee one thing (besides that the Cooper Festival will be a hoot). 

2021 will undoubtably be a better year than the one we just went through. Had another 60,000 or so Covid deaths occurred before the end of the year, those deaths would have equaled the number of soldiers we lost in the Second World War. Both from combat and 'other causes'. We've already exceeded by more than SIX times the good citizens we lost in the roughly ten years of the Vietnam War. Or close. The numbers become like novocaine. 

US Army vet here telling you this to sober you up. And it IS sobering indeed, my friends. 

And this wreckage and misery was done not in four years, but a mere nine months or so. Things will get better, I am sure of it. 

Some things, believe it or not, far exceed any concerns we might have about the identity of some guy who pulled off a hijacking for a bunch of money fifty years ago. 

As time goes by, I think interest in this case will wane.  Get it while you can. Mainly because it is extremely doubtful that anybody will be able to pin the crime beyond reasonable doubt on one particular suspect. Another reason might be that once the 50th anniversary has come and gone, Cooper will more enter the realm of Northwest legend, (sort of like Bigfoot) and people will have to admit Cooper got away with it, and that no one (not me, not you, not ANYONE) will ever be able to discover his true identity with any certainty.

What a guy. What balls.

What great work (NOT!) by the FBI.

So I've said we just toss one big-ass party to celebrate the fact he got away with it, and move on. 

That's my plan anyway. B) Confidence is high, as they say at NORAD. 

A promo video on the festival can be seen after January 20 at YouTube. Shot north of Mount Rainier. 

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On 6/25/2019 at 7:11 AM, FLYJACK said:

Found something interesting…

The FBI files show that Cooper used two matchbooks.. One his and one supplied by Tina. Tosaw’s book distinguishes further. According to Tina the matchbook Cooper had said “Earn a High School Diploma” and Tina went to grab company matches from a cabinet.. Cooper recovered and took the first empty matchbook. Sky Chef supplied catering for flights..

That “suggests” the Sky Chef matches did not come from Cooper at all but were grabbed by Tina on the plane.

I found these vintage matchbooks,,  from ICS in Scranton PA.

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Cooper's matchbook was the ICS one and according to Tosaw after it was depleted, Tina grabbed the other "Sky Chef" one from a cabinet..

Chasing the source for the Sky Chef matchbook is a red herring.

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Looks like it IS a red herring on the Sky Chef matches. That ICS advertisement was all over the place back in the day. I've seen it a ton of times, but not for many years. If Tina says he had one with the ad on it, and it was in the FBI files as well, I'll buy it. 

I wouldn't go as far as trying to link your suspect just because ICS ('International Correspondence School') was from Pennsylvania. The reason is because they advertised that company everywhere you can imagine. When I was younger I used to see it all the time. The back ads of magazines were a favorite place for them. I think I've even seen their ads in the rear sections of old comic books. 

However, just squashing one dead end in the case is a fairly big deal. So kudos to you. 

EDIT: I used to spin records for the local college radio station many years ago. It was a community college, so we probably didn't reach out more than twenty miles in any direction. I had the early show, 8-10 AM. But it did provide me some skill on knowing how to create a playlist. 

The planning committee for the Cooper Festival decided to mostly go with classic rock with a few other tunes thrown in, mainly because Cooper was from that era, more or less. I thought Cooper fans would get a kick out of seeing the first 75 songs or so I personally selected for the festival. I even dug out my old Koss subwoofer to add to our speaker system and discovered it still works great, and I was able to make it center speaker. Let me tell you it takes a lot of effort to create and load and prepare a song list like this one. It wasn't easy. And so far, this is only about HALF the tunes loaded for bear as they say. Take a good look at them and try to tell me I'm not good at this stuff. I am VERY good at it. We are going to rock for sure. If you have any suggestions on your favorite songs, let me know and I will oblige. 

Six more people have jumped on board this event in the last two days. One of them is from Ariel. Like I said, I'm just glad I didn't start trying to plan all this a couple of months from now. Greg, Kyle, our friends from Rochester, WA and yours truly are slowly but surely putting this whole thing together and gathering the last of the gear we need. We decided the women's toilet tent should have two rooms to it, and for them we're springing for an electric shower from Amazon. To heat the water, we will use this handy-dandy little gadget. You drop it into a five gallon bucket for a few minutes. 

I hear Trump is sending us money real soon. Already spent, and not on my truck I assure you. B) It's being saved for the food. (For the free BBQ on Saturday night) Eat your heart out Bruce Smith.

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Matchbook..

The reason he wanted to retain it was because he had written notes on it, not necessarily because of prints. The thought has been the tie was a plant because Cooper was careful to take other items, but if the matchbook was taken because of the writing then the tie "plant" theory is busted.

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Convey also means communicate. 

It is more likely notes were written on the matchbook than the matchbook was used to "transport" notes. Using a matchbook to "transport" notes doesn't make much sense.

 

and there is no indication Cooper himself wrote the note on the matchbook.. I never said that.

I believe the FBI passage indicates that the matchbook was used for "communication"...  not transport

 

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11 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

 Take a good look at them and try to tell me I'm not good at this stuff. I am VERY good at it.

Meh. I'm not real impressed with it Robert. I'll give you credit for the inclusion of a couple of Mellencamp tunes, but otherwise I'd get bored pretty quick with that playlist. I've done plenty of playlist and quite frankly, mine are better. 

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1 hour ago, ParrotheadVol said:

Meh. I'm not real impressed with it Robert. I'll give you credit for the inclusion of a couple of Mellencamp tunes, but otherwise I'd get bored pretty quick with that playlist. I've done plenty of playlist and quite frankly, mine are better. 

As far as I can tell, (some I just don't know yet) most of the people who have signed for the festival, or at least the email updates, are at least over the age of 40. I dunno...maybe you are right on some of the songs. It's a 'work in progress' as they say. Suggestions for the playlist are more than welcome. Today I ran a full-on test of the stereo gear and the PA system with no problems. Gets loud, sounds good, but I don't think we will be able to do karoake. I would have to hook up a laptop to the whole system for the lyrics and buy a bunch of karoake CD's. But...using the two boom mike setup...if people want to bring an instrument and amplify it...and sing into the other mike...that can be done. But we gave up on karaoke. 

I'm trying to interest people who formerly attended the Cooper party in Ariel, generally using Facebook groups where those group members live in the area of Amboy/Ariel/Woodland. Also trying to get the word out down there by contacting some of the locals who assisted us at Ariel in 2016. (Two signed so far) I'm hoping word of mouth over the next few months will do the rest. For them it would be about a two hour drive each way, maybe a bit more, but I tell them they don't have to pack it up and drive home at 2AM either, and it goes for two nights. The free BBQ on Saturday and the Lookalike Contest prizes should bring a few of them anyway. 

Greg told me this morning that maybe we're stretching things a bit by trying to get 250-300 people. He points out that we only have two flush toilets and two showers, although some people say they are bringing a small trailer, truck camper, camper van, things like that. Well, okay. But for most it will be tents or sleeping in the vehicle. He suggests we cut off attendance at 150 confirmed Cooper fans, SERIOUS ones, and leave it at that. I am considering this, but we do have time. He might be right. I don't think more than 150 people ever showed up to Ariel, at least not the three times I went to it. We already have 112 people on the email list and no media coverage as yet, mainly because I'm holding off on that until the date gets closer. Maybe one-third to one half of those people will actually show up. 

Planning this stuff is harder than I thought. No way I could have done it alone, like I did those smaller 'Cooper Campouts'. 

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Dropzone was down for a while this evening I noticed. I took the time to do some Zoom with the planning committee. They convinced me that we should go for no more than 150-200 really serious, VERY confirmed attendees between now, and when we send out the final PDF about the event a couple of weeks prior, and leave it at that. 

This does not count any possible media, although they will not be allowed onsite unless they can confirm with us in advance they have had the Covid vaccine series. We are absolutely non-negotiable on that one, for both they and anyone who signs to attend. Support for this idea is picking up quickly, and I can understand why. 

I want to be fair with everyone in the general Cooperland community, but I tell you this:  All of you are on the same level with us as the general public, and I can already see we won't have any trouble filling the available slots. Applications to attend, if you are serious, will be closing at a certain point, and perhaps not that far down the road. We think Greg is right on this issue, i.e. that it is better to provide the best we can for the most serious people, a smaller core group, and leave others behind who think this is a joke. 

I've already personally invested over $2,000, and Greg is providing an additional $6,000. On that kind of budget you can do quite a bit for the serious people, and forget the ones who aren't. 

There is a question at the website asking if you want to make a presentation on the case, whether it be your support for a book you wrote on the case, your personal research, or whatever. We also accept submissions through video if you can't attend. But there is only so much time to do those, since some events at the festival are dedicated to other things like movies, music, and yes...a party. To be frank with you guys, we're not tossing some boring crap in a theater down in Vancouver. B)

Whether you choose to listen to people like Shutter, a known Trump supporter (sorry Shutter but your affiliations with him DO point to character these days, or whether you are on board the Truth Train) or listen to me...a guy who puts his effort and resources where his mouth actually lives...is a thing for Cooper fans, authors, investigators, and the public to decide. And decide they will. 

Here I am below back in 2007, supporting truth as opposed to lies or anonymous hatred. I don't buy into hatred. It has diminishing returns, like beating your kids. See you in June. But I would not wait too long to get on the list to go, or there won't BE a list available because it will be filled. We are still seeking a general host for this one, and it's a paid job. I'm not doing it. I will be busy serving others. Wake up. Smell the coffee.

Anyone interested knows where to go

However, I will take anyone for the hosting job who I figure has brains enough to do it. B)

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If you're wondering why there is no one else in the picture, I got there a couple of hours early. Later, I joined the local Dem committee working on his election. I never regretted it, and still don't today. 

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The matchbook thing is drifting into the weeds...

When we put together the FBI files, Tina's interview and Tosaw's claim..

 

There were two matchbooks, Tina lit the last match from Cooper's matchbook and grabbed one from the plane. Sky Chef was the Airline caterer..  Tosaw claimed Tina described the first matchbook as the ICS one. Agents have admitted to withholding info. I can see the  FBI holding back the ICS info, only Cooper would have known this.

 

The take away is.. though not explicitly stated.. the Sky Chef matchbook most likely came from the plane, not from Cooper. Trying to match Cooper to an external Sky Chef source looks like a red herring.

 

Not so important..

The FBI doc inferred that a matchbook was used for notes at some point. Obviously, it had to be something very brief and it wasn't his demands.

But I don't see this as helping advance anything. It is interesting but not useful now. Perhaps more info will come out that makes it clearer.. we only have a fraction of the FBI files and are trying to makes sense of things with what we have.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Whether you choose to listen to people like Shutter, a known Trump supporter (sorry Shutter but your affiliations with him DO point to character these days, or whether you are on board the Truth Train)

Robert, this is a very juvenile statement. It's one thing to constantly post about things that no one here cares about (no one here is going to the campout and thus it doesn't need to be updated daily here).

But, can we keep the politics off the board, seriously? 

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19 hours ago, ParrotheadVol said:

Robert, this is a very juvenile statement. It's one thing to constantly post about things that no one here cares about (no one here is going to the campout and thus it doesn't need to be updated daily here).

But, can we keep the politics off the board, seriously? 

Actually....a couple of folks who have posted previously both here and over at Shutter's place are signed up through the Contact Form. However, I understand most of the people who post to these places live nowhere near Washington state. And never attended the Ariel parties either. That's too bad because sometimes people came from other states, other countries to attend. Pretty impressive since Ariel is ten or fifteen miles off the main highway from Woodland and the event only ran from about noon on a certain day until maybe two AM the next morning. 

Some people are watching this thread, though. These are people who have not necessarily attended the previous parties in Ariel, but who have attended some of the Cooper conventions. And some of the folks who have appeared on television. Many of them are on the email list as well. Those are folks you don't see posting to Cooper discussions for the most part. 

There is also the public. This thread gets a LOT of views by non-Cooper folk and some of them are from the Northwest. Some of the people who finally sent us a request through the contact form at the AB website said they didn't find out information from the AB site directly, but from HERE...and THEN they went to AB. So there is that. 

Another consideration is that I can't keep sending people on the email list message after message. Main updates to those folks only happen maybe once a month, so when we replied to their requests...we usually direct them to keep an eye on this thread at Dropzone and make a shortcut to it...drop in once in a while to find out what information we are releasing to the public. 

You might be right about the political stuff, however it is also true that back in late 2016 I received a gloating email from Shutter regarding Trump's win. Maybe he got a little excited about that, I don't know. I guess it was sort of a tease back at him when I made that reference. I keep wondering what he thinks about all that now...you know...whether he still supports the guy or not. One thing I've never accused Shutter of is being dumb. I guess I wondered if he had seen the light regarding Trump. However, I will avoid doing that in the future. Some of our cleaning customers are staunch Republicans and prior to the last election some of them also said they weren't voting for Trump a second time. They closed their eyes and hit the button for Biden. I have always wondered if Shutter did the same thing. The guy always comes on to me as if he never does anything wrong. EVER. It gets a bit tiresome sometimes. ¬¬

You know, after the 50th anniversary of the hijacking comes and goes, interest in Cooper is going to start dropping both with the media and the public. And I mean A LOT. (Unless something is done to kick it in the ass a bit, like an annual party for example.) If you guys who seem so smart over at the Cooper forum really WERE smart...you would stop picking on this festival both anonymously (Bruce Smith's Mountain News) and elsewhere. Not only that, but you would get behind the whole cart and push it with both hands, right along with us. No one over there is fooling us. We know perfectly well that some of you at the Cooper forum use anonymous identities at Mountain News...especially when you refer to Shutter by his real name and accidentally make references at Mountain News that also tells us you are members of that forum. Shutter is not stupid, and neither are we. We also know Bruce Smith is complicit in the whole thing because he occasionally puts up weak protests to the filthy comments...and the lies being told about us, (such as my relationship with Skipp Porteous and his family)...but Smith never does a thing about it. Like I said, we're not dumb either. We have WordPress, too. And we know that all comments to a WordPress blog come with the commenter's IP address and the email they use to make comments. Which Smith can easily trace back to the Cooper Forum if he wished. He's not fooling anybody. This is why I have previously called some of you phonies, and yes, I think it is (*sometimes*) deserved. 

But all you are doing with the negativity is shooting yourselves in the foot. The only folks paying any attention to all that rigamarole are a few people who hang out at both Mountain News and the Cooper Forum. You are not reaching the general public much with any of that. What happens is that the public will turn against you when you do that. Sales of your Cooper books will drop. Media will approach you less. I get email and PM messages occasionally on this subject, with the most common one I see being this:  "They should grow up..."  Seen that one a few times. It's good advice. 

We learned a lesson from trying to assist on the proposed Portland event. The biggest lesson was not to involve anyone in the planning of the upcoming event in June unless they were serious, and they could be trusted. We haven't had a bit of trouble finding those people. This should tell you something. My personal opinion on this whole Cooperland picture, well you can take this with a grain of salt. But if you guys want to create more interest in the Cooper case with the public and the media, and do more than just constant back-and-forth with the same dozen people or so...then you should get behind anything positive that has to do with the Cooper case and shove. HARD. Otherwise the whole thing might just fade away in a year or so. A few of the people who have signed to attend the June festival are coming from Oregon, two are even coming from around the San Jose area. (They previously attended our Eclipse Trip to Magone Lake, OR.) And it is still early on in the process yet. This is only early January for crying out loud. I fully expect by the beginning of May that NW media will start inquiring on covering this event. I have said previously that two newspapers already want to do stories on it. They agreed to wait on that until the date of the event gets closer, on my request. But I can already see that this festival will be the biggest party, the biggest 'thing' (if you will) EVER done on Cooper. If it is as successful as we think it will be, Greg the Techie Guy (who ISN'T moving to California as I am) has suggested he might do it a second time in 2022, maybe even beyond that date. If he does, I would be willing to fly up from San Diego to attend. It would be a good excuse to see him anyway, and return for a short time to the place I love...the great PNW. 

I have absolutely no doubt that the Cooper festival will be a success. None. Not any more. (Negative comments and lies notwithstanding.) It has grown beyond me. I am just a medium-size part of the whole thing now. A partial financer, a partial organizer. Other people have stepped up to assist and their roles are getting bigger, while mine grows smaller. And that's how it should be. No one, not even me, could do this alone. And any future Cooper festivals should be done in the same manner, by committee. A volunteer committee provided with at least a reasonable budget each year to work with. LOL...then they argue where the budget should go. ^b^

EDIT: We've decided we WILL do a banner and hang it up in front of the entry to the main camping/party area. (Or maybe above the stage) I found out we can get one at a reasonable price from VistaPrint. It will say simply:  50th Anniversary D.B. Cooper Festival. Below that, on a second line, it will read: 1971-2021. (Edit: Or we may go with a more generic version so it can be reused.) Around the text I will add some relevant pictures. The usual stuff. A passenger jet, picture of Cooper under a chute with the money bag, things like that. I'm liking the one sized at 12x4 feet with brass grommets. I ordered some heavy macrame cord in 100 yard rolls to hang the thing. Some of these ideas came from my work with the Auburn Days festivals, and the occasional advice from Connie, the woman who directed that festival for 27 straight years. A smarter woman I have not known. 

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Robert, any event will fade away. just as the rest have. it helps but doesn't forward the case one bit. the public has been involved in the case for decades and has not been able to do any good. 

You don't seem to grip the reality of the size you think will show. you are responsible for the event and it's actions. this includes sanitation. the people from the eclipse trip were your friends so you are being deceptive saying people are coming from a great distance. you need a minimum of 6-8 porta potties. one generator for 200 to use is asking for disaster. if you put a 12x4 banner up in a open area it will look like a dingy docked by a 100 foot yacht. the banner you are talking about runs across streets 30 plus feet. the size you want is used at parties in backyards.

You are spamming an event that is 6 months out and post like it's next week. then you don't even tell people where it actually is due to the virus? who is going to try and sneak into a free event in the middle of a forest, ever heard of wrist bands? what if the vaccine isn't available yet? it's not the best time or financially the best for a lot of people. it will cost a lot of money to go to this free event if they are not campers. a tent, food, water, ice, coolers and gas cost money. I don't read a lot about dedicated true/real/honest Cooper fans that go camping. Eric's events are productive while you post negative comments about them the second they are announced. then demand everyone to get behind you? not one person going is any better than anyone not going. everything you do is the biggest thing ever to the Cooper world. 

Dropzone has turned into your personal thread. 95% is all from you. Flyjack's reports, what the thread is actually intended for gets buried in all of the "evil spamming".  pages at a time now. you have once again become victorious in destroying a thread for your personal use. then for the second or third time you personally attack me and my political views you think you know from sending one email that corrected something you said. you make it out as the worse thing ever done. your actions are hateful, childish and not productive to anyone.

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Robert, any event will fade away. just as the rest have. it helps but doesn't forward the case one bit. the public has been involved in the case for decades and has not been able to do any good. 

You don't seem to grip the reality of the size you think will show. you are responsible for the event and it's actions. this includes sanitation. the people from the eclipse trip were your friends so you are being deceptive saying people are coming from a great distance. you need a minimum of 6-8 porta potties. one generator for 200 to use is asking for disaster. if you put a 12x4 banner up in a open area it will look like a dingy docked by a 100 foot yacht. the banner you are talking about runs across streets 30 plus feet. the size you want is used at parties in backyards.

You are spamming an event that is 6 months out and post like it's next week. then you don't even tell people where it actually is due to the virus? who is going to try and sneak into a free event in the middle of a forest, ever heard of wrist bands? what if the vaccine isn't available yet? it's not the best time or financially the best for a lot of people. it will cost a lot of money to go to this free event if they are not campers. a tent, food, water, ice, coolers and gas cost money. I don't read a lot about dedicated true/real/honest Cooper fans that go camping. Eric's events are productive while you post negative comments about them the second they are announced. then demand everyone to get behind you? not one person going is any better than anyone not going. everything you do is the biggest thing ever to the Cooper world. 

Dropzone has turned into your personal thread. 95% is all from you. Flyjack's reports, what the thread is actually intended for gets buried in all of the "evil spamming".  pages at a time now. you have once again become victorious in destroying a thread for your personal use. then for the second or third time you personally attack me and my political views you think you know from sending one email that corrected something you said. you make it out as the worse thing ever done. your actions are hateful, childish and not productive to anyone.

Well...the first time I ever met any of the people who attended our VERY successful Eclipse Campout in Oregon...was when we all met at the rally point near Magone Lake. You are wrong about them being my 'friends,' although two of them I knew through Facebook but not personally.

I see many criticisms from you, but you ignore the realities as well. Sure, it costs money to go on a camping trip. It also costs money to go to a bar down in Ariel and drop cash on mass beer plus the inevitible tips. I don't see much difference between the two, except maybe people get a bit more for their money this time. This is the Northwest, Dave. Clubs of all kinds and shapes meet off road all the time, sometimes the groups are very large, even larger than the one we're proposing. I doubt anyone is considering running out and spending money they can't afford just to attend this festival. But if they did, that is their choice. 

Your views on us are well-known, and you have publicly stated several times that you stand firmly against ANYTHING Adventure Books of Seattle (and now our volunteers as well) does regarding Cooper. Anything and EVERYTHING. Good, bad, or indifferent, you are against it. So your opinions are slanted from the start, and they are expected. I could tell you I dropped ten grand on an ice machine and flew everyone in on private helicopters and it wouldn't make a bit of difference to you. I could tell you Jesus himself magically transported everyone to the site and gave them manna from heaven and again...it would be the same thing with you. So why should anyone listen to your one-sided, pre-decided opinion on anything we do? I could run it as a fundraiser for Childrens' Hospital in Seattle and you would find fault with it just the same. 

And you are dead wrong that these events do not matter. They matter. If they didn't, media would not be offering to do stories on the festival six months in advance. Your twisted view of this event only shows that you are afraid we will succeed. You and your friends have tried pulling every dirty trick out of the bag for a long time now. And last time...in the Portland event...we were foolish enough to trust you and some of your friends, who responded (and still do the same thing today) with the same platform you have always used with us. Simple hatred. Unabashed lies. All supported by people YOU support. You are simply angry because we keep pointing these things out to people...and some people are starting to get the message. Maybe it's time to stop doing those things, or supporting those things. Obviously they aren't working for you. 

As far as Dropzone being my 'personal thread,' it is not my fault that the major players in Cooperland don't post here anymore. That is their choice. And excuse me, but who are you to say what this thread is 'for'. Your version of things? Your rules? Who sets the rules? What ARE these rules? I want to see the official rulebook. I request a meeting with the rules committee. This ain't the Cooper Forum, Dave. And you are not the boss of me, my friend. B)

As far as whether our power systems, sanitation preps, and whether the banner will work, I think you can leave that to us. The generator setup will easily provide two main public power stations for people to charge their phones, laptops, flashlights, whatever they have. We have sufficient power to run additional lights as well as the stereo/PA system. For the lighter electrical draw stuff, we use deep cycle batteries connected in series to a 750-watt AC inverter with enough juice between recharges to power dozens of laptops and phones easily. 

We know what we're doing. Picking on the banner is a real stretch on your part, you know. We will probably hang that out front of our modestly-sized stage and it will work fine. About the only comment you made that was sensible was regarding the availability of the vaccine to the general public prior to the date of the festival. (June 4-6, 2021) This is something over which we have no control, but we are prepared to make adjustments if necessary. Washington state is setting up a website for people letting them know where and when they can get the vaccine and we think that once sensibility returns to the OTHER Washington, (DC) that delivery of the vaccine nationwide will increase by leaps and bounds.

The bathroom and toilet situation is still being debated. We know that Ariel got along just fine using only two bathrooms, and that most people who attended didn't bring small trailers or small motorhomes with bath facilities. Some of the people who have said 100% they are coming are bringing these things, so we don't really have to worry about them. We may do two more facilities, though. That will be decided depending on the total number of people who apply to attend by around April 10th or so. If this number gets close to 200 or more, we will exceed the typical crowd at Ariel and set up more facilities. If not, we may stick with the two we have now. 

The reason we're not releasing the EXACT location of the festival site is because only the people who are serious enough...the ones who are contacting us either by the Contact Form at AB, or directly by email...are the only ones who need to know that information. This event is restricted to a certain degree, due to the requirement that all attendees must have received the two-shot series of the Covid-19 vaccine. So far, no one has objected to that requirement, and in fact, think it was a brilliant idea. Not to pat myself on the back, but so do I. ^b^

Just a reminder that no one in Cooperland, no matter what history they have with us in the past, will be excluded from the process regarding this festival. Everyone in the Cooperland community is welcome to submit their video (best way if they live too far away to attend), audio file, show up in person after application, or join the Planning Committee and participate that way. No one is, or WILL BE excluded from participating, either in person or remotely. If in person, they must apply with us either directly or through the contact form. And if in person, they must meet the vaccine requirement. (That requirement is absolutely NON-NEGOTIABLE.) Contact me for details if interested. Time slots for remote presentations are limited though. Videos should be of a resolution (1080/720) if you want them presented on the big screen. I am not real familiar with doing phone video, since I always use a hi-res video camera, but if you do phone video, I think it works better if you don't option the video to have those blank nothings running down each side, such as shown in the picture below. The final result won't look good being shown on a ten-foot wide screen. A full screen picture is better. Like I said, what I know about phone video you can put in your hat, but try to avoid shooting your stuff in the format shown below if you can. 

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And...we're still seeking a general host for the festival but we're in no particular hurry on that. Apps are open for this, and it comes with some nice perks and what I politely call an 'honorarium'.

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They closed their eyes and hit the button for Biden. I have always wondered if Shutter did the same thing.

 

This has nothing to do with the discussion of DB Cooper and is none of your business who anyone voted for. ever seen a voting booth. it's closed so you can't see what they are doing.

Who am I to say what the thread is for? you break a lot of rules and lack the ability to actually use the thread for what it's intended for which is the discussion of DB Cooper. nobody is here other than some to correct all the nonsense you spew. people are using the ignore option so they only see Flyjacks posts. you don't even research the case. one can reverse this and say who are you to tell me what to do with my site. I own it, you don't own this site, but treat it that way. If I look on Quora, the place you say everyone goes showing graphs and numbers all the time will I see 20-30 different articles and updates about the event or the same amount on WordPress? two sites you claim to get tons of exposure..

You can't use a place of business vs a party. you are responsible for rules that don't apply to a business. the capacity of Ariel wasn't 200. you have to calculate by hours. jobsites are similar. they will stink up fast if not cleaned every other day or in some cases everyday depending on the amount calculated. It goes by an 8 hour period in construction.

Essentially, you should have one unit for every 75 people, and then add on one unit for every four-hour increment. For example: a six-hour wedding celebration is going to have 200 guests, so you need four units (200/75=2.66, round up to three, and then add one more because the event is over four hours). you exceed these calculations since it's a 24 hour period. especially if alcohol is involved. sure, guys can piss in the woods but you don't want them crapping all over the place either. I'm surprised the rangers are not asking for a pre-permit meeting for a large group from what I've read. $8,000 budget shouldn't put a dent in buying more units. a drop in the bucket, as you always say. you are talking about a large area for 200 people. parking alone with take up half a football field. you as an event holder are responsible! the rangers will tell you that. yes, I have done many events over the years, some exceeding 500. several were charity events when I was working in a bar back in the early 90's.

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I have put Blevins on IGNORE,,  nothing worth reading.

 

I have been working on a NEW TBAR theory.. 

but some loose ends..

 

 

 

Trip 1 - Tina gets money

Cooper inspects it, passengers deplane

Trip 2 - Tina gets 1st back chute

Trip 3 - Tina gets 2 front reserves

Trip 4 - Tina gets 2nd back chute

Trip 5 - Tina gets meals, maps, radio

 

Stews leave after all chutes onboard. Taken by car, not fuel truck. I remember a fuel truck mentioned but can't find it.

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There were four fuel trucks.

All passengers boarding in Portland used rear stairs.

 

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Per FBI...There were 36 passengers including Dan Cooper

6 crew

17 boarded at Portland (20 were listed/booked but 3 actually boarded on standby in Spokane)
 

The confusion was that MacPherson had booked for Portland but had boarded standby in Spokane.

The NWA flight manifest has Scott MacPherson twice, not a big deal. There were 36 passengers, 17 boarded in Portland.


"It is noted that the manifest showing the boarding of Portland passengers, listed a total of 20, which included three names "W. MacPHERSON." Interview with Mr. WILLIAM R. MacPHERSON reveals that he is in the real estate business and had confirmed space from Portland to Seattle, but that he, his son SCOTT, and Mr. PAUL WEITZEL, actually boarded the flight at Spokane, where they had been on standby."

"SAs HORN and FUHRIMAN then identified themselves to the passengers of the bus. SAs HORN and FUHRIMAN then determined that there were 35 passengers on the bus plus the driver,"

 

Final speculation,,, according to the crew a "passenger" tried to return into the plane as the passengers were leaving. Maybe that was an FBI agent carrying a 5th chute onto the plane.. that would resolve Tina getting the 4 chutes and money... the conflict for the chute packing card found left on the plane AND some passengers claiming to see an agent on the plane. Just a thought.

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9 hours ago, mrshutter45 said:

No thanks, Robert. I'm simply pointing out the obvious. It appears the ignore list is growing since you fail to stick to the case. some things never change.. B)

I don't care about the 'ignore list' lol. Thousands of people still read this thread worldwide. Anyone can put anyone else on their ignore list as is their choice. You all received your official invitation to participate, so my job is done. No one can say I didn't make you the offer. No one will be able to say I attempted to shut anyone out. 

That's the MAIN thing. I don't want anyone to be able to say later that I didn't give Cooper investigators and Cooper book authors every opportunity. (Cooper fans we have plenty of for this festival, with more joining the email notification list each week.) This offer will remain at the AB website pages for the next few months, or until we take down the pages when all available attendance or speaking slots are filled. Some people have taken up the offer, others probably won't. We move forward nonetheless. :handok:

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Spent most of my day copying nearly 350 GB (yeah, that's GIGABYTES) worth of Cooper-related docs and pictures over to an external SSD in preparation to set up two new office computers. Those come next week from Amazon. As a second backup, we moved another set of those same files onto three 128 GB USB flash drives. Took hours to do. Moving files is easy. Copying OVER files takes much more time. 

Our plan is to move the files from the SSD into the new computers, and then keep the flash drives as a backup. The old computers still work, although they will be taken offline, but the hard drives inside them will provide us a second backup. Losing all the files we have collected in this case over the last 12 years...well, that isn't even something I like thinking about. I always hate setting up new computers, but over the years I have gotten better at it. I know they have these programs that can do it for you, but if you move all your files and programs manually, you can also rid yourself of the garbage you also collected over the years along the way. 

Operation was a success and we lost nothing. My thanks to Greg the Techie Guy. 

I did a quick scan of FBI file #54. Will check it more thoroughly later. Didn't see much of anything new except a note that Skylab lost its gyro and would now have trouble studying some comet or other. And a reminder from some source at the FBI that witness descriptions ranged from Cooper being anywhere from 5-9 to 6-1, with weight anywhere from 150-210. Yeah, those eyewitnesses really pegged him good, didn't they? No wonder they never caught Cooper. There were quite a few historical files and quotes from Germaine Tricola though, the lady who got the whole Cooper Days thing started down in Ariel, with a note that one year (1977 I think) not too many people actually showed up. 

NOTE: There will be no more announcements or updates here at Dropzone regarding the June event...until about two or three weeks prior to the event. I will agree with the idea that it's been covered here enough for the moment. Apps to attend keep trickling in and I think we will reach our goals anyway at this rate. No use burdening anyone here with further updates for the next few months. 

EDIT: I know some of you reading this now are getting the email updates that go out maybe every six weeks or so. (In fact, one update went out today.) Just to avoid confusion for everyone, there are TWO lists. One is the general public list. These are people we do not know personally, or who are not generally known in Cooperland. They are the folks who sent in apps. The OTHER list contains about 25 names, most of whom people in Cooperland are familiar with. Each message says at the end that if you wish to be removed from that email list, all you have to do is ask. So far, no one has requested to have their email removed, but I would do that if they wished. Both lists are under BCC (blind carbon copy) sending rules, so that no one who receives the messages can see the other recipients' email address. The reason for this is to preserve folks' privacy. 

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On 1/7/2021 at 1:29 PM, FLYJACK said:

News articles? Yes. Quite a few. I did learn a lot more than I used to know about Germaine Tricola and her relationship with the Ariel Store. Sounds like the annual Ariel thing she and her husband started was popular some years, not so popular other years. And that it was Dona Elliott who really turned it into a 'thing' where people sometimes showed up from other states, even other countries. I met a guy at the 2012 Ariel who was visiting his family in California. He was from Fiji, of all places. And he ended up flying up to Portland and then renting a car to go from there to Ariel. Now that....THAT is a Cooper fan. B)

It really was too bad that Bryan Woodruff couldn't re-open the store for business. He did try pretty hard. I went to a total of three of the Ariel parties, 2012, 2014, and the last one in 2016. But without Bryan or Dona Elliott, I don't think I would go to another one with the new owners, should they decide to do that. I did my bit, as they say. After three attendances, it seemed like an awfully long drive to just party at a tavern. Plus I was getting tired after the second time of having to drive home 130 miles starting at 1-2 AM in the morning. That's the only drawback I ever saw to the whole event. One time I suggested to Bryan that people just be allowed to stay and park until morning, and go home then. On one of my visits when Dona Elliott was still alive, I did a 60-minute video and covered quite a bit of the whole thing. The video is still in our files somewhere, but not released to YouTube right now. Maybe someday I will re-release it. 

Water under the bridge. The end of an era. It is too bad, but I guess all good things have to come to an end. I heard somewhere they finally tore down Kenny Christiansen's old house in Bonney Lake recently as well, although Google Maps still shows it's there. One by one, all the Cooper historical stuff fades away. Farm where I lived in Sumner, WA on the day of the hijacking...it's now a parking lot for a construction company and their 50 or so trucks. School next door where I once attended...it is their headquarters and offices now. :`(

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'As for Robert, he will never change. he continues to lie and it's become evident to a lot of people. I believe he's not being truthful about his event in many ways...'

It's pretty phony to ask me to cease discussing the June Cooper Festival here at DZ, and then for you guys to go elsewhere with your trashy comments about that same festival, you know. I had decided you were right about that, but then I see you simply took up the discussion elsewhere. Nothing good or positive of course, which is usual for you. 

There was a lot more about this subject from several of your members, who I can see have been brainwashed for sure.

Information on the event is completely public, spread out over two webpages, and inquiries about it are pretty steady. What I see here from Cooperland is jealousy and backbiting...their usual response to anything positive we do. And yes, Shutter, the site selected IS about the size of a football field, with a couple of drivable side paths off it that dead end, if people want more privacy and don't mind walking to the main area maybe 40 yards.

I mention all that because you pointed out what we already knew to be obvious...that space was needed. We have plenty of space and could probably accomodate up to 300 people, or about twice the number that attended the Ariel parties. Depends on how many come in the same vehicle, which makes it easier. I am urging people to carpool when possible. 

If you are going to toss out an accusation regarding honesty and the Cooper Festival this year, I would like to hear specifics on what that dishonesty happens to be, or else put a sock in it. As far as Greg the Techie Guy, my good friend since about the time Windows 3.0 came out, contributing a few thousand bucks to the Festival was no big deal. He owns a heavy five figures of individual shares of Microslave, and it's selling at $219 a share right now. You figure it out. He doesn't need to, but he could raise what he's contributing by selling less than thirty shares. If I asked him for twenty grand he might even give it to me, but our budget doesn't need that much. The $6,000 he's contributing will be fine.

If you are going to ask me to stop discussing the Festival here at Dropzone, then you should stop doing the same thing at the Cooper Forum if you're going to bad-mouth both me and the event. And no, I don't need a shrink. I'm about the most ordinary and boring guy you ever met, and if I really had 'crazy' going, nice families would not allow Gayla or I into their homes for year after year after year, while paying us what they do (our rates aren't cheap) and dropping an amount equal to the rate as a Christmas gift each year in a card. We started with some of these families when their kids were toddlers, and now those same kids are going off to college. 

What I see here is jealousy and hatred rearing its ugly head because YOUR GROUP has no control over this event. And in order to participate in the Biggest Cooper Bash Ever Tossed in the Great Northwest, you would have to approach me first. Must really gall you, huh? Like trying to swallow a golf ball. And guess what? We ARE going to toss 'The Biggest Cooper Bash Ever Held in the Pacific Northwest.' From now until eternity, none of you will be able to top what we're going to do in June. Which is even harder for you to accept, I'm sure. B) It's not a promotion for AB of Seattle. It's not to inflate my ego or any of that. It is a thank you to all the people who support us. (Believe it or not, they are out there.) It's a GIVE BACK and nothing else, and required more planning than I have ever done on any other project I've organized in my life. Seems like a good tribute, and the proper thing to do. 

People aren't listening to you anyway. You guys are a minority over there now. YOU, not ME, are the ones mostly engaged in the phoniness and the hatred, not US. That has been easily shown, some of it by the Cooper Forum's most prolific contributors, done anonymously through Bruce Smith's site. And I don't mind at all sending people to certain posts in order to prove that point. You can bet your bottom dollar on that. They come back both appalled, and with a new view on things. 

Whether you participate or not, whether you support it or not makes not the slightest difference. Down at Ariel it wasn't like they had Cooper Stars getting up on stage you know. There will be a few presentations and a Cooper-related movie or two, but I can assure you it isn't an official 'convention'. No one will be 'controlling' things, and no one will be a prima donna. It's a down home Northwest thing, as they say. 

You guys have a jealousy problem. Mostly based on the idea that someone other than YOU thought the whole thing up. B) I have seen a lot of negative comments about it, all of it from Mountain News and the Cooper Forum. So basically you are the only folks against the event. The newspapers seem to like it, and so do all the people who are signing up. YOU GUYS are the only ones against the festival, and the only people listening to that drivel are YOU GUYS. Just a thought...but maybe you are in the minority and no one cares any longer what YOU think. 

If you want nothing to do with it, that's fine. That's your choice. But don't make yourselves look like fools by back-slapping each other and trying to convince each other how 'right' you are or what a 'liar' I am about it. The complete story, all the facts, are laid out plainly for the public on two webpages at AB. Here and HERE. And people are responding well to all of it. There is no dishonesty involved. It is what it is and I'm sure (NOW) it will work out fine. Back in November I wasn't sure if people would be interested. Now I know they ARE. And the media isn't even involved yet, (mostly on my request because it's too early for that stuff) but I am sure they will be at some point, and will probably want to cover the actual event itself. 

It's too bad you took the low road on everything, and decided to bad-mouth our efforts instead of contributing to them, but that's your choice. So no whining is allowed. It's sour grapes. It's jealousy. It's the ugly side of Cooperland. Good luck with that. We will raise a toast to all of you in June...and laugh our asses off at your foolishness. 

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