DB Cooper

[olemisscub 466]

2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Nope, ears.

I agree. He’s very solid everywhere else. Odd coincidence that his murder suicide was in Vancouver just a week before Tena Bar.

[georger 197]

4 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

I agree. He’s very solid everywhere else. Odd coincidence that his murder suicide was in Vancouver just a week before Tena Bar.

tell us more ?

[olemisscub 466]

2 minutes ago, georger said:

tell us more ?

Go to the 21 minute mark in my video from tonight.

 

[olemisscub 466]

He had a heck of a resume for a crazy person

 

[FLYJACK 654]

7 hours ago, olemisscub said:

He had a heck of a resume for a crazy person

 

Georger,,

Roman is detailed in FBI file #46..

Crazy story,, could be a movie, I suspect he forged his credentials and wasn't a legit Dr.. he even has a patent..  not Cooper though.

 

Amazing find about the 727 air drop in the newspaper,, it was even more amazing about 6 years ago when I posted it on Shutter's site, it was discussed with muted enthusiasm, if I recall I also posted details about the 727M prototype designed for air drops in the 60's and also an article in an aviation publication stating that the 727 airstairs were successfully lowered inflight during initial testing 63/64.. Maybe you guys can find those in the next 6 years.

Tom has thrown cold water on the TiSb particles but Olemiss still misrepresents the TiSb patent.. The patent is for a production process not TiSb in 18%..  Although TiSb is mentioned in a ratio range it is not exclusive to the patent and there is no evidence it was ever even produced in the same ratio as the tie particles.. That patent is entirely irrelevant to the tie particles...  Vordahl has no connection to Norjak.

 

The person who contacted Gunther was in NY... not Dayton.

 

But I agree Cooper has some aviation experience.. some military...

that narrows it down to maybe 50,000 guys..

 

 

 

Edited January 17 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 654]

Here,, 

 

and stairs,,

[FLYJACK 654]

Fuel driver said the rear interior of the plane was dark...

this pic may have been taken earlier.

 

 

Edited January 17 by FLYJACK

[CooperNWO305 146]

https://ericulis.com/pages/media-release-01-17-24?fbclid=IwAR0gz1__b2d4JYCAEnwG-unU5OK1MkEpVpUC9cLUTsddkQue6HNhaeOJveo

[FLYJACK 654]

30 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

https://ericulis.com/pages/media-release-01-17-24?fbclid=IwAR0gz1__b2d4JYCAEnwG-unU5OK1MkEpVpUC9cLUTsddkQue6HNhaeOJveo

Hard to believe the FBI would give up a potential DNA profile,,

[olemisscub 466]

1 hour ago, CooperNWO305 said:

https://ericulis.com/pages/media-release-01-17-24?fbclid=IwAR0gz1__b2d4JYCAEnwG-unU5OK1MkEpVpUC9cLUTsddkQue6HNhaeOJveo

With respect to Eric, contained within there is one of the reasons why this was never going to work. "Moreover, Dunbar and Ulis are asking the FBI to grant Ulis and a DNA specialist access..."

Eric HAS to be in the room when it happens. I told him this was an issue like a year ago. Instead of FOIA'ing it or doing this publicity campaign type stuff, I told him he needed to line up a DNA specialist and have THEM contact the FBI through back channels and request access. From my perspective, that was the only chance the idea ever had for success. Eric needed to divorce himself from it and only have a role in the background. I believe Eric has good intentions with all of this, but from the FBI's perspective, he's just some guy who has been on TV a few times and is out making statements to the media.  

[olemisscub 466]

1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

Fuel driver said the rear interior of the plane was dark...

this pic may have been taken earlier.

 

 

Since we know that Tina didn't turn the lights out until Cooper sent her to the cockpit, I'm guessing that his statement is due to the window shades in the rear being closed.

I've tried to determine when that photo was taken and I suspect it was pretty early on. The passengers may even still be on board. Tina says she didn't close the window shades until right after she brought the first parachute on. That would have been shortly after the passengers got off. In the photo, you can see Al Lee standing by the passenger door of the Dart. The passengers had not yet been moved far from the aircraft when Tina was getting the parachutes because we know that several of the passengers saw the chutes. In the full photo the trunk is just out of frame, so we can't say for certain if it's open or not in the photo.  

I'm not sure about the money bag's location in the Dart, but I'm quite certain that the chutes were all placed in the trunk. My intuition would be that the money bag would have been up front with Lee and not in the trunk. No doubt he didn't let that thing out of his clutches until he handed it over. So with Al Lee standing next to the passenger door, I'm imagining this photo may be right before she got the money or right after she took it on board. 

All speculation of course, regarding the precise moment that photo was taken, but I think it's safe to say that it's somewhere around the 6 pm range. Passengers are either still on board or are just out of frame to the left. Lee did tell them to go stand behind the Dart around 6 or so, after the passenger tried to go back on board. 

My best guess is that this is while the passengers are still on board. It'd have been a much more dramatic photo if the passengers were in the shot and were standing right behind the Dart. So this is right before or right after Tina gets the money IMO. 

Do you disagree with that assessment? 

[FLYJACK 654]

31 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Since we know that Tina didn't turn the lights out until Cooper sent her to the cockpit, I'm guessing that his statement is due to the window shades in the rear being closed.

I've tried to determine when that photo was taken and I suspect it was pretty early on. The passengers may even still be on board. Tina says she didn't close the window shades until right after she brought the first parachute on. That would have been shortly after the passengers got off. In the photo, you can see Al Lee standing by the passenger door of the Dart. The passengers had not yet been moved far from the aircraft when Tina was getting the parachutes because we know that several of the passengers saw the chutes. In the full photo the trunk is just out of frame, so we can't say for certain if it's open or not in the photo.  

I'm not sure about the money bag's location in the Dart, but I'm quite certain that the chutes were all placed in the trunk. My intuition would be that the money bag would have been up front with Lee and not in the trunk. No doubt he didn't let that thing out of his clutches until he handed it over. So with Al Lee standing next to the passenger door, I'm imagining this photo may be right before she got the money or right after she took it on board. 

All speculation of course, regarding the precise moment that photo was taken, but I think it's safe to say that it's somewhere around the 6 pm range. Passengers are either still on board or are just out of frame to the left. Lee did tell them to go stand behind the Dart around 6 or so, after the passenger tried to go back on board. 

My best guess is that this is while the passengers are still on board. It'd have been a much more dramatic photo if the passengers were in the shot and were standing right behind the Dart. So this is right before or right after Tina gets the money IMO. 

Do you disagree with that assessment? 

Sounds reasonable but the lighting isn't as simple as on or off..

 

[olemisscub 466]

40 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Sounds reasonable but the lighting isn't as simple as on or off..

 

That's true, but absent Tina making comments about Cooper asking her to dim the lights, I think we have to assume that the fuel truck guy was simply seeing the effect of those shades being pulled. Cooper certainly needed the lights given what he was up to back there with the chutes and the bag, especially wearing sunglasses. 

[FLYJACK 654]

22 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

That's true, but absent Tina making comments about Cooper asking her to dim the lights, I think we have to assume that the fuel truck guy was simply seeing the effect of those shades being pulled. Cooper certainly needed the lights given what he was up to back there with the chutes and the bag, especially wearing sunglasses. 

Not only dimming but different sections..

 

Al Lee... lights out AFT section..

 

4 min after take-off lights were out in rear..  it doesn't actually say Tina turned them off then...  just that they were off.....   and how well did Tina see him in the dark then?

 

It isn't clear about the sequence or timing of the lights but Cooper was in the rear with Sunglasses and no lights and he had to lower the stairs and go down them to jump..  

Did he remove his sunglasses??

I always wondered if he had a flashlight or used one of the plane's flashlights..  

Edited January 17 by FLYJACK

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14 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Go to the 21 minute mark in my video from tonight.

 

Regarding striking matches vs the tie ... Find a slo mo of matches lighting - its an 'explosive event' - blows particles everywhere in the space around the match lighting.  If you strike a match in front of the tie or anywhere in the vicinity of the tie, the tie gets covered by every particle related to the match chemistry. 

[Cola 26]

15 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Go to the 21 minute mark in my video from tonight.

 

 

What is your reference on Tina stating

The bag was dragging on the ground between Coopers legs. 

I've not heard this before, but I'm only up to date on the first 72 - 302's...

Thank you for posting this a few of us have a real thirst for this type of content. Sorry I missed the Q&A, maybe next time. 

 

 

[olemisscub 466]

15 minutes ago, Cola said:

 

What is your reference on Tina stating

The bag was dragging on the ground between Coopers legs. 

I've not heard this before, but I'm only up to date on the first 72 - 302's...

Thank you for posting this a few of us have a real thirst for this type of content. Sorry I missed the Q&A, maybe next time. 

 

 

Comes from Tosaw. He had a really solid interview with Tina, apparently. History has shown that Tosaw's narrative of the actual hijacking was very accurate, so I don't see any reason to doubt the veracity of this. 

[olemisscub 466]

1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

 

It isn't clear about the sequence or timing of the lights but Cooper was in the rear with Sunglasses and no lights and he had to lower the stairs and go down them to jump..  

Did he remove his sunglasses??

I always wondered if he had a flashlight or used one of the plane's flashlights..  

I can't think of any reason for him to have kept the sunglasses on once she went to the front. Seems to me like he wanted the lights off mainly so his eyes could adjust to the darkness. Perhaps he may have also been somewhat concerned of the possibility that if the lights were on that a chase plane could spot him on the stairs. 

Also, I'd be interested to know just how dark it actually was when the lights were turned off. Did they have some sort of ever-present ambient lighting that would always remain on unless the plane was actually turned off? Like how you see on modern planes they have lights along the floor of the aisles that always stay on.

The only copycat that I'm aware of who had a flashlight was McCoy. I asked Mac about it a while back, and he said he didn't want a flashlight because he might have been too tempted to use it once he got to the ground and that could have given his position away.  

[FLYJACK 654]

16 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

I can't think of any reason for him to have kept the sunglasses on once she went to the front. Seems to me like he wanted the lights off mainly so his eyes could adjust to the darkness. Perhaps he may have also been somewhat concerned of the possibility that if the lights were on that a chase plane could spot him on the stairs. 

Also, I'd be interested to know just how dark it actually was when the lights were turned off. Did they have some sort of ever-present ambient lighting that would always remain on unless the plane was actually turned off? Like how you see on modern planes they have lights along the floor of the aisles that always stay on.

The only copycat that I'm aware of who had a flashlight was McCoy. I asked Mac about it a while back, and he said he didn't want a flashlight because he might have been too tempted to use it once he got to the ground and that could have given his position away.  

Good points,,  

but at 4 min after takeoff Tina turns and sees Cooper standing with the lights out,, 

How well could she Cooper in the dark and would he have still had his sunglasses on?

She did say she never saw his face straight on and never without his glasses. 

[FLYJACK 654]

50 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Comes from Tosaw. He had a really solid interview with Tina, apparently. History has shown that Tosaw's narrative of the actual hijacking was very accurate, so I don't see any reason to doubt the veracity of this. 

Tosaw is very reliable,,, but not 100%

He said Tina grabbed that second matchbook from the cabinet..  that would be the Skychef one,,  When Cooper's matchbook, the ICS was empty. That means Cooper did not bring the Skychef matches with him.

It makes sense.

Edited January 17 by FLYJACK

[Cola 26]

2 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Comes from Tosaw. He had a really solid interview with Tina, apparently. History has shown that Tosaw's narrative of the actual hijacking was very accurate, so I don't see any reason to doubt the veracity of this. 

  

Ah, I have avoid these materials, I wanted to read them desperately for years but saw them as pollutants. I think I have built up a tolerance now I shall give them a read. 

Just off the bat Tosaw's writes that Tina closed the front door when the second officer closed it.

 

3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

It isn't clear about the sequence or timing of the lights but Cooper
 

Lights on, Lights off, what do we gain if they were on or off...? is it really worth sorting out...?

 

 

1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

Tosaw is very reliable,,, but not 100%

He said Tina grabbed that second matchbook from the cabinet..  that would be the Skychef one,,  When Cooper's matchbook, the ICS was empty. That means Cooper did not bring the Skychef matches with him.

It makes sense.

 

Is Tosaw also the sole source on the ICS matchbook?

Nothing in the 302's refers to ICS matches. I should have asked this long ago, thank you.

 

[olemisscub 466]

3 minutes ago, Cola said:

  

Is Tosaw also the sole source on the ICS matchbook?

Nothing in the 302's refers to ICS matches. I should have asked this long ago, thank you.

 

Rat mentioned the ICS matches in a talk he gave about 10 years ago

[FLYJACK 654]

21 minutes ago, Cola said:

  

Ah, I have avoid these materials, I wanted to read them desperately for years but saw them as pollutants. I think I have built up a tolerance now I shall give them a read. 

Just off the bat Tosaw's writes that Tina closed the front door when the second officer closed it.

 

Lights on, Lights off, what do we gain if they were on or off...? is it really worth sorting out...?

 

 

 

Is Tosaw also the sole source on the ICS matchbook?

Nothing in the 302's refers to ICS matches. I should have asked this long ago, thank you.

 

Ratazcak also mentioned them. 

Beat me to it..

 

Lights are important...  Cooper was wearing sunglasses.. how did he see with the lights off and how or what could Tina see looking back at Cooper in the dark? She was maybe 25 feet away.. closing the curtain.

 

Edited January 18 by FLYJACK

[olemisscub 466]

6 minutes ago, Cola said:

  

Just off the bat Tosaw's writes that Tina closed the front door when the second officer closed it.

 

Good catch. The only other major incongruence I'd spotted was the matches thing, which Flyjack was just just talking about. 

[Cola 26]

  

13 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Rat mentioned the ICS matches in a talk he gave about 10 years ago

 

 

Your killing it... nice clip. 

What do you think the likelihood of any confirmation of that to come from future 302's. 

 

Edited January 18 by Cola
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