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Here is a similar bogus argument..

 

Everyone, including myself believed Cooper wanted to jump ASAP because he demanded airstairs down on takeoff..

But, as clearly laid out in the FBI files his initial demand was airstairs lowered inflight, he changed it during negotiations with the crew..

Since his plan A was airstairs lowered inflight that indicates he did NOT want to jump ASAP or near Seattle.

The conclusion that he wanted to jump ASAP at least initially is busted. Once the plane was going to land in Reno he wanted out ASAP.. Authorities would have mobilized on Reno.

That tells us he jumped into an area he had not planned.

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'Wanted stairs lowered in-flight' covers a lot of ground. When in flight? Right after the wheels left the ground? Two minutes after takeoff, when the jet would have been just a few miles out of SeaTac Airport? 

Geoff Gray says that the pilots used the radio while on the ground in Seattle (page 76 Skyjack) to call the NWA engineers about Cooper's demand to take off with the airstairs down. This was alleged between pilots and NWA, not the FBI. According to Gray, this is how the whole thing started with the airstairs. It is also common for pilots to consult with the ground crew on anything like this, or if they have a mechanical problem in-flight, so it sounds reasonable to me. 

Allegedly, NWA engineers told the 305 crew that it was NOT possible to take off with the airstairs in the down position, but flying it that way once they were airborne was quite possible. If you are asking me what Cooper's original jump plan was...I created a map about that long ago, which is shown below:

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If NWA engineers told the crew they must refuse to open the airstairs prior to takeoff, then it would take more time for Cooper to prepare for the jump. He had to secure the money bag, deal with Tina Mucklow, get his own chute on and secured, and then...get the airstairs released. The whole scenario sounds like the old Murphy's Law of Planning:

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"Everything takes longer than you expect..."

Cooper's original plan was probably to jump somewhere inside the area shown by the larger blue circle. But with the jet traveling along at three miles a minute, by the time Cooper was ready to go, the jet was probably far south of that point and he simply jumped when he was ready...but BEFORE they reached the Columbia River. Jumping after that point would mean coming down in a major metro area at night...or ker plonking into the Columbia River. 

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3 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

'Wanted stairs lowered in-flight' covers a lot of ground. When in flight? Right after the wheels left the ground? Two minutes after takeoff, when the jet would have been just a few miles out of SeaTac Airport? 

Geoff Gray says that the pilots used the radio while on the ground in Seattle (page 76 Skyjack) to call the NWA engineers about Cooper's demand to take off with the airstairs down. This was alleged between pilots and NWA, not the FBI. According to Gray, this is how the whole thing started with the airstairs. It is also common for pilots to consult with the ground crew on anything like this, or if they have a mechanical problem in-flight, so it sounds reasonable to me. 

Allegedly, NWA engineers told the 305 crew that it was NOT possible to take off with the airstairs in the down position, but flying it that way once they were airborne was quite possible. If you are asking me what Cooper's original jump plan was...I created a map about that long ago, which is shown below:

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If NWA engineers told the crew they must refuse to open the airstairs prior to takeoff, then it would take more time for Cooper to prepare for the jump. He had to secure the money bag, deal with Tina Mucklow, get his own chute on and secured, and then...get the airstairs released. The whole scenario sounds like the old Murphy's Law of Planning:

Cooper's original plan was probably to jump somewhere inside the area shown by the larger blue circle. But with the jet traveling along at three miles a minute, by the time Cooper was ready to go, the jet was probably far south of that point and he simply jumped when he was ready...but BEFORE they reached the Columbia River. Jumping after that point would mean coming down in a major metro area at night...or ker plonking into the Columbia River. 

FBI files state his initial demand was changed and the radio transcript confirms it..

Cooper's initial demand was airstairs to be lowered in flight.. it was changed when they were negotiating to land in Reno.

The argument that Cooper wanted to jump ASAP is based on his demanding the airstairs down on take off.. << this premise is often repeated and it is false with respect to his initial plan.

There is no evidence to indicate his initial plan was to jump ASAP..

When Reno was in play he wanted out ASAP..

If Cooper's initial plan was to jump ASAP he could have initially demanded airstairs down on take off.

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6 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Shutter responded...

"It was Cooper's money? of course his prints would be found on any of it he touched prior to or after exiting the plane..plus dozens of other prints would be found on the money since it was in circulation prior to being stored at the bank..does't mean any good prints would be found or even able to link to him.."

This is why I lose patience with that forum, Shutter completely missed the point.

The point isn't whether prints could be found or not on money, the point is Cooper took the risk... and because he took that risk with the money it contradicts the argument that he was meticulous about evidence (clearly he wasn't) and could have only left the tie as a plant. It tells us that the tie plant theory based on Cooper's thoroughness with evidence is bogus. That is all.

No, Shutter you still don't get the point..

It only addresses the "tie was a plant" argument. 

The standard argument claims Cooper was so careful about all the evidence he must have planted the tie. He wouldn't have been so sloppy to leave it.. Well, handing cash to the stews which could have his fingerprints isn't careful and meticulous. If he was sloppy with the money he could have been sloppy with the tie.

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We only know (according to Geoff Gray anyway) that Cooper OFFERED money to at least one of the stews. We do NOT know whether any of them accepted it. 

Since accepting any of that money would not only be hard to conceal from FBI agents waiting in Reno, but could possibly land them in Federal prison for a long time...it is extremely doubtful ANY of the stews were foolish enough to accept freshly stolen money obtained by hijacking the airline they worked for. Mucklow especially fits this bill. She was known to her co-workers as a deeply religious, Bible-thumping proselytizer who tried converting damn near everyone except the passengers. 

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7 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

We only know (according to Geoff Gray anyway) that Cooper OFFERED money to at least one of the stews. We do NOT know whether any of them accepted it. 

Since accepting any of that money would not only be hard to conceal from FBI agents waiting in Reno, but could possibly land them in Federal prison for a long time...it is extremely doubtful ANY of the stews were foolish enough to accept freshly stolen money obtained by hijacking the airline they worked for. Mucklow especially fits this bill. She was known to her co-workers as a deeply religious, Bible-thumping proselytizer who tried converting damn near everyone except the passengers. 

Tina admitted she was handed ransom money.. The stews said all were offered tip money from the drink change. There are a few reports that Flo and Alice were also offered ransom money as they left.  They all claimed the money was refused or returned in Tina's case.

It would not have been a crime to take the money if they turned it in, they should have taken it for potential prints. It is actually something that happens often, hijackers give money to crew and sometimes passengers. It compromised them as witnesses.

Tina had a huge bag and coat if she did keep the money it could have easily been concealed.

Being religious is irrelevant. 

Maybe she kept the money handed to her then was scared to turn it in naively thinking she would be in trouble, she wouldn't have been. If she didn't turn it in right away she had to keep it eventually discarding it..

If Tina did keep the money she would be compromised as a witness.

 

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14 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

No, Shutter you still don't get the point..

It only addresses the "tie was a plant" argument. 

The standard argument claims Cooper was so careful about all the evidence he must have planted the tie. He wouldn't have been so sloppy to leave it.. Well, handing cash to the stews which could have his fingerprints isn't careful and meticulous. If he was sloppy with the money he could have been sloppy with the tie.

Shutter, you keep stating the obvious..

The point is ONLY to asses the argument that the "tie was planted" because Cooper was meticulous with evidence.. He was not. The premise for that argument is false.

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Tom and I got the same slope for TBAR...  about 10%. 5.5-5.7 degrees

That puts the money spot about 4 ft above the river in Feb 1980. Less if buried.

The money spot is reached by seasonal water level fluctuations. You don't need the 72/74 flood event to reach the money spot. The seasonal high flow for the Columbia is Spring.

Money found along high water line.. said right at beginning

 

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Eric and Robert99 are still pushing these falsehoods... based on compounded assumptions represented as FACTS..

 

I have addressed these many times and they just get ignored...

It is not a fact that the placard came from inside 305... unlikely but possible

There is no evidence the other part found was from 305...

The wind at the Placard find around 8 PM was S recorded at Toledo..

The winds aloft at the placard find from SW is NOT A FACT. There is no record.

Even the winds the FBI used for the LZ was an estimate, even that was not a fact.

The flightpath was not the F-106, they turned E too late and did loops.

 

The western flightpath theory is conjecture, assumptions and rejection of known facts.

There is really ZERO to support it. ZERO, it is just made up.

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3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Shutter, you keep stating the obvious..

The point is ONLY to asses the argument that the "tie was planted" because Cooper was meticulous with evidence.. He was not. The premise for that argument is false.

Yes, Shutter you have missed the point, completely

It only negates a premise used for an argument.. it doesn't make a positive argument for anything which you are assuming. 

You have always had trouble with logic.

I am not making any argument other than the premise for Cooper "planting the tie" is busted. That is all... you have added the inverse and assumed an argument that isn't there.

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23 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

...and could have only left the tie as a plant...

At least for my statement, I was not stating that I believe the tie was a plant. I was merely speculating the possibility. It seems that a lot of people on this case try to come to absolute conclusions about things that cannot be definitively known. Only Cooper knows for sure whether the tie was a plant or an oversight, or whether it was even his.

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1 minute ago, dudeman17 said:

At least for my statement, I was not stating that I believe the tie was a plant. I was merely speculating the possibility. It seems that a lot of people on this case try to come to absolute conclusions about things that cannot be definitively known. Only Cooper knows for sure whether the tie was a plant or an oversight, or whether it was even his.

The tie plant theory is a common one that goes way back..

WE don't know if he discarded it intentionally, or accidentally..

 

I believe he used it to wipe prints in the plane but that is speculation.

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Since I recently declined on the movie option, I decided to close up the private forum AB hosts to the general public. I only started it in the event I was willing to continue to cooperate with the movie producers on the Cooper picture. That has ended, so a private site is no longer needed.  

This is not a big deal, since there are only a few members and activity there is very little. What the heck...it was a freebie host anyway. Most of my Cooper stuff ends up at WordPress, not this forum or that one. 

There are enough forums out there on Cooper anyway. One is as good as another. The truth is, I am slowly but surely extricating myself from the Cooper Vortex. I don't mind discussing the case here and there, but I have to move on to other things. I really do. :handpeace:

Frankly, it's become kind of boring to me.  I had to admit that to myself today. 

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I did take a minute to stop by another Cooper website today and saw this posted by Dudeman:

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'The short answer is that the reserve container packed with money, there would be some buoyancy, but it wouldn't last long at all...'

Dudeman:  Cooper was seen by Tina Mucklow securing the money bag with lines cut from the working reserve parachute. She also said he attached at least one 'main' (longer) line around the bag and was tying it around his waist. It is doubtful he ditched that whole assembly after she went forward beyond the First Class curtain. He would have to cut all the lines loose, and re-pack everything into the non-working (trainer) reserve container. This does not seem feasible to me, since he jumped fairly quickly after the airstairs showed 'open' on the Flight Engineer's control panel. 

The reason he probably did it that way is illustrated by the picture below. The most likely scenario on what happened to the non-working reserve is that, like the briefcase, it probably went right out the back and into the night as soon as Cooper dropped the stairs. A possible reason why no one has found either of those things is because they were probably ditched over an area that is privately owned by Weyerhauser Logging. That is the vast area of working forests just north of Ariel. All the access roads are gated and locked, although hunters can apply to enter during hunting season. But in the long run, it is FAR less visited than your typical National Forests, which are wide open to everyone. 

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ABOVE: A general map. 'Headquarters' near the placard indicator is the main entry for Weyerhauser. As of 2020 however, there is some doubt whether that placard found by Carroll Hicks actually belongs to Flight 305. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. 

But if it IS...then this could be the approximate point where Cooper finally got the airstairs down, and the briefcase and phony reserve could be in the forest just south of where the placard was found. I once proposed a search in that general area and got Weyerhauser's permission to do a multi-day camp there. I decided to ditch the idea later, but we had prepared pretty well for it, even including some folks with metal detectors, including the two I own. Found out there was *some* doubt on the placard identification, so I canceled. Here is what it looks like there (placard find) as of 2020:

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Our basic theory on why a search in the same area should be done was THIS:

1) Cooper drops the airstairs. 
2) Either the placard comes off the plane due to the sudden turbulence that resulted, or maybe he tore it off and threw it out...along with tossing out the non working reserve and the briefcase. MOTIVE: To place items on the ground indicating that he may have jumped farther north than he actually did. 
3) Also, it is strange that nothing else was found after all these years. Not Cooper so much, or even the money...but the reserve and the briefcase. It was my contention that maybe this is so simply because the missing items landed in an area not heavily visited or used by the public. Or even ACCESSIBLE by the general public. Seemed like a pretty good theory to me. 
4) Later, though...Flyjack placed some doubt on whether the found placard actually CAME from 305, so I decided to cancel the search. But the truth is that no one really knows for sure, and if the placard really DID come from 305, then yes...a search should be conducted in the area shown by the pictures. 

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NOTE ABOUT THE ABOVE PICTURE:  This area was much more forested, and much LESS developed back in 1971. 

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ABOVE: The road you see in the Google Map blowup is a private road on property owned by Weyerhauser Logging. You need specific permission to enter this area from the company representative, and must meet them in person to obtain a key to the gates. Even today, the only people who go into this area (it's many, many square miles) are the occasional hunter and logging people working for Weyerhauser. Sometimes, eco-type scientists are allowed in as well. But compared to a typical Forest Service area, it is much less visited. In addition, hunters/hikers who HAVE obtained permission to enter these lands are NOT given a key. They park at the gate(s) and must walk in, although there are exceptions if you manage to obtain a key. Most walk in. The nearest gate is over ten miles away from where this placard was discovered. Over the years, restrictions on entry have increased even MORE, due to nasty folks trying to bypass the gates, dump garbage or stolen cars, trash the logging equipment...even trying sneak in there to make methamphetamine. So it is visited even less than it was back in the 70's. The logging company uses their own private forest patrols these days. Yes...evidence could still be lying out there, and without any other evidentiary reference to go on, it seemed sensible to just start where the placard was discovered. 

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ABOVE: When we were considering a second search of the area where the placard was found, I was planning on searching south of the placard location. It was a long shot, and I didn't figure even a team of eight people (that's how many signed up to participate) using metal detectors could cover more than a single square mile at most. But at the time, it seemed like the best approach. The campsite markers are where we considered setting up shop. It's doubtful we would have found anything, but I thought (at the time) it was worth a try. 

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40 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Dudeman:  Cooper was seen by Tina Mucklow securing the money bag with lines cut from the working reserve parachute. She also said he attached at least one 'main' (longer) line around the bag and was tying it around his waist. It is doubtful he ditched that whole assembly after she went forward beyond the First Class curtain. He would have to cut all the lines loose, and re-pack everything into the non-working (trainer) reserve container. This does not seem feasible to me, since he jumped fairly quickly after the airstairs showed 'open' on the Flight Engineer's control panel. 

The reason he probably did it that way is illustrated by the picture below. The most likely scenario on what happened to the non-working reserve is that, like the briefcase, it probably went right out the back and into the night as soon as Cooper dropped the stairs. A possible reason why no one has found either of those things is because they were probably ditched over an area that is privately owned by Weyerhauser Logging. That is the vast area of working forests just north of Ariel. All the access roads are gated and locked, although hunters can apply to enter during hunting season. But in the long run, it is FAR less visited than your typical National Forests, which are wide open to everyone. 

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That's all fine, and I've read that before, it's just that the poster 'Chaucer' had asked specifically whether a parachute container packed with money would float, so I was just commenting generally on that.

Who knows what Cooper actually did, what his experience was and how he thought about such things, but...

I don't like that idea about the money bag hanging below him, and here's why: If he jumps with the bag separated from his body tied to a line like that, it's going to trail behind him in freefall as soon as he exits. Such things have a nasty habit of snagging deploying parachutes and causing deadly malfunctions. If he tumbles on exit and it wraps around him before he pulls, all the worse. When the military does stuff like depicted in the picture, even on a static-line jump, that pack is attached to the body on exit and through deployment. After opening is when it's dropped below. That is done so that the heavy pack lands first, and unweights from the parachute before the jumper lands. A 20 lb. money bag wouldn't weigh enough to necessitate that.

A modern exception to THAT that I've seen is, the jumper exits a tailgate aircraft with a full 55-gallon steel drum full of whatever hanging below them. That thing is going to hang below them even in freefall and not trail behind. They use modified tandem rigs with huge square canopies and freefall drogues. In freefall it hangs a bit below them, then after opening they drop it lower to better time the landing.

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"I don't need those..." (or 'that') 
Cooper's response when Mucklow offered him the instructions on the chutes, sent along by the FBI but probably obtained by them elsewhere. 

Those things you say are true. But because Cooper went straight to securing the money bag and then tying it around his waist for the jump, sounds like to me he had some prior experience jumping with a load. Most whoffos (like me) would have tried tying it to their body if they had no experience. 

Since Cooper jumped with just one working chute, I've wondered if he may have just pulled the ripcord right there at the bottom of the stairs and let it squib out and pull him off safely. A straight freefall jump entails TRUSTING the FBI didn't mess with the chutes, or even if the one he selected actually worked. DZ user '377' aka Mark M and I have shared the same opinion occasionally. Takes a lot of guts to just go down those airstairs in mid-flight with a big load like that and not take some precautions. Especially with those jet engines screaming bloody murder over your head. Maybe he held the money bag close to his body with one hand, and pulled the handle with the other. I think he was grasping the railing on the way down, and then switched hands at the last moment back to the bag before he pulled the handle. Once the chute inflates, he can stabilize and just drop the money bag onto the paracord that was already secured around his waist. 

When the airstairs finally dropped, they only did so 24-36 inches according to co-pilot Bill Rataczak. That means quite a stoop-over just to get them to drop further so you can get out there and jump. My theory is that Cooper actually BACKED down the stairs with one hand on the rail, letting them drop gradually with his weight, and perhaps pulled the handle when he reached the bottom of the stairs. Try to imagine what that whole scenario of the airstairs dropping after he pulled the handle might be like. You think they will go all the way down, perhaps with hydraulics. Instead...they drop a couple of feet and surprise for you. 

Now what do you do? 

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12 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I've wondered if he may have just pulled the ripcord right there at the bottom of the stairs and let it squib out and pull him off safely.

Again, who knows what Cooper knew, thought, or actually did. If this scenario makes sense to you and 377, maybe it made sense to Cooper. But here are some problems with it...

The idea that Cooper pulls while still on the stairs to 'see if it works', with the idea that he can go back up for the other rig if it doesn't, that only works in the event of a total pack closure malfunction where the container does not open. Especially on reserves, which that bailout rig was, malfunctions are rare, and total pack closure malfunctions extremely rare. If the container opens and anything comes out, it's going to pull him off the stairs.

Again, malfunctions are rare, but on that basic round reserve, if it does malfunction, it's more likely a malfunction of the deploying parachute. This might be a full streamer, where it does not inflate at all, which would be fatal. More likely is that it's more in the nature of a line-over or partial inversion, where it mostly inflates but is distorted. This would likely not be fatal but how injurious it might be depends on how much it affects the rate of descent. Deploying the parachute into the high-speed, turbulent air right behind the jet would actually increase the possibility of this type of malfunction. Perhaps not by much, as evidenced by static-line jumps, but even with those the jumper is falling a bit farther away/below the aircraft into 'cleaner' air.

The parachute could snag on part of the tail or stairs. If it stays, he's trailing behind the jet. If it lets loose, the parachute might be torn/damaged.

That basic round reserve is made and packed to open fairly quickly. In normal use, who knows how low the pilot/crewman might be when they bail and find the ripcord. At the 180-200 airspeed of the jet, that opening shock is going to snap the snot out of him. It's rare, but people have been seriously injured and even killed as a result of extremely hard openings. Would be better to freefall a bit and slow down to normal terminal of 110-120.

But once again, who knows if Cooper knew or considered any of this.

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There was no red X.. this reports an X with red closing flaps..

 

Still hard to believe Emerick didn't notice that it was a dummy chute.

 

https://uspa.org/p/the-secrets-of-db-cooper-part-one-notorious-flight-305

"Belly-Mount Reserves
Investigators also discovered that in his rush to grab the rigs, the skydiver in the loft accidentally grabbed the drop zone’s dummy reserve, marked with a large “X” and red closing flaps. The DZ used the dummy reserve for students to practice deploying the reserve by scooping the canopy out of the container and throwing it in the air and over their heads.

Cossey explained, “For the dummy rig, I cut the reserve in half and sewed the panels together so that when the student threw it out, I could just fold it up and put it back in the container in half the time. That reserve was half the density of a regular reserve, and it was obvious to anyone with experience that it wasn’t a normal reserve.” Nonetheless, the regular reserve remained in the aircraft, and the dummy marked with an X was gone. Cossey personally thought Cooper removed the dummy reserve, stuffed the cash in its container and wore that on his chest as he jumped."

 

Emerick's step daughter talks about the chutes, mentions the big X on one (no colour), Relevant part starts at 2:30 in video

 

 

 

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The REAL question regarding the training chute provided to Cooper isn't whether the guy who handed it out knew it didn't work. 

It isn't even whether it had The Big Red One (an 'X') mark on it. 

The question is....where is that chute NOW? 

Anything else fifty years down the road is irrelevant, and I will say why I think this is so. Because if the chute turned up someday, you would be able to verify the flight path with it, as well as an approximation, within a few miles, of where Cooper landed. Perhaps even LESS than a few miles. 

That chute ended up SOMEWHERE, along with the briefcase and its (very likely) phony bomb. And the most sensible explanation on how they ended up wherever they are today is that Cooper tossed them out the rear of the jet just prior to jumping. The chute was probably tossed in an effort to throw off any ground search and make these searchers believe Cooper landed a bit further north than he actually did. The briefcase was tossed to get rid of some of the evidence. 

It is my personal belief that these items, since they have not been discovered to date, are probably in the private forest owned by Weyerhauser Logging some miles north of Ariel, WA. And they would be found somewhere along the official flight path as stated by the FBI. 

EDIT: This is the one and only 'official' announcement regarding the final 'DB Cooper Campout' happening late next spring. The only other announcement that will be done at Dropzone will be a reminder of the date, done a week prior to the actual event. So...if you are interested...take notes...because we're going to run an Event Ad on Craigslist for this one two weeks prior, instead of our usual way of posting at the AB of Seattle site, or at WordPress. There are reasons for doing it this way which I won't bother going into now. Doesn't matter. 

  • First, we've come to the belief that since Covid-19 infection rates continue to drop in Washington state, and it seems likely that a vaccine will be available by spring, that we will be able to hold this event sometime next May. 
     
  • On my last solo trip to the Olympics, all I really did was test all the gear for this event and everything worked very well. This included power sources, big-screen projector capability for media, and an adequate stereo system. Toilet and shower facilities were also tested and passed with flying colors. These things are important because anyone and everyone is free to bring their own media for presentation to the group, whether it be their own research videos on the case, movies, or anything else they wish. And while they are there, for however long they choose to stay...they must be provided with some creature comforts. Other items include a comprehensive First Aid and medical station, a propane BBQ they can use, and full time hand washing facility. 
     
  • Whatever place we finally choose to hold this event from our Short List of Locations, three things will be certain. There will be internet access via smart phone, it will be located near a natural source of water (lake, creek, or river), it will be FREE to attend, and you will be able to drive to it without risking your vehicle unnecessarily. If you have a laptop and a smart phone with a good data plan, you can 'tether' your phone to your laptop to gain full internet access. Google 'tether your phone to a laptop' for details. This works best with an Android phone. I have tested this system myself. Speeds are slower, but it works. 
     
  • No one will be banned or restricted from attending, not even people who don't necessarily 'like' me personally. We do ask you to be civil and not cause trouble for everyone else who will be there to have a good time. For people in the known Cooperland community:  If you have a negative attitude about AB of Seattle or our efforts in the Cooper case, it is best if you contact me personally first if you decide to go, so that we can bury the hatchet. Showing up unannounced could send the wrong message, and you could be asked to leave if you come with a chip on your shoulder. 
     
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  • A truth you should know:  Most of the people who will respond to the Craigslist Event notice (and actually SHOW UP) will be from the public and merely fans of the Cooper case, not known Cooperland folks. Please keep that in mind. We expect a large turnout for this one, and we will probably get it. A few people from the Nissan owners support forum where I hang out have already expressed an interest in going. Some are telling their friends. 
     
  • Some proposals are being kicked around by AB of Seattle staff. One of them is to hold a Cooper character lookalike contest and offer prizes in the form of Amazon gift cards. In a way, this is a tribute to what the Ariel Store did during their Cooper Days celebrations. We simply decided to up the ante, and inspire people that it might be worth it to attend. Besides, it was fun when Dona Elliott did it, right? ^_^
     
  • We have no problem if you want to shoot video of the event, do your own presentation for the group, or update via the internet while you are there.  Your media can be live on video, on a flash drive, or a DVD you create. It will be broadcast onto the big screen and with the internet access, you can do as you wish. We only provide the means and power sources. 
     
  • AB of Seattle's main job will be support for the event itself. I have no plans to do a 'Kenny Christiansen presentation' or any of that. I will personally remain in the background most of the time. Frankly, I will be far too busy anyway. 
     
  • Did I already say it was mainly a party? Or did I forget to mention that? I guess I didn't. YES. It is a party. 
     
  • This event will run between a Friday morning and the following Monday morning. 48 hours prior, we will send out a press release to the proper Puget Sound media. 
     
  • The most important thing, the one that stands above all others...is to bring your own damn chairs. If not, you will end up sitting on a stump. We don't provide chairs. Greg the Techie Guy and I already figure our two trucks will be fully loaded with everything else needed for this one. :thumbup: 

 

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Here, the FBI finds out from an AP reporter (Clossey) who spoke to Cossey on the 25th that the reserve chute was for demonstration only..

It was Cossey's dummy chute, he stated it had an X with red closing flaps

The X with red flaps falsely morphed into a red X first appearing on DZ.

The FBI probably held back the markings on the dummy chute in the files to be able to identify it.

 

The reporter got a hold of Cossey on the evening 25th before the FBI could after trying all day.

Emerick grabbed old chutes he never expected back.. the missing dummy probably had an X (black) with red closing flaps.

 

 

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Some folks believe that Cooper mistakenly (even without the use of D rings) USED the dummy chute somehow when he jumped. In other words, he didn't spot it as non-working. 

I would tend to believe this theory more if the briefcase had been left on board the jet. Since it was gone along with the dummy chute, my best guess says Cooper tossed it out along with the briefcase. 

Put yourself into the shoes of the hijacker for a moment. There is major stress going. You only have so much time before you should depart that aircraft and be elsewhere. Once the jet leaves Seattle, everything you do has a motivation and a purpose, otherwise why bother doing it in the first place?

You get the chute on, the money secured, (both by tying the bag together and by tying it around your waist) and finally manage to drop the airstairs. You get another bothersome interphone call from the cockpit along the way. All of this takes precious minutes of flight, and meanwhile you are probably headed farther south than you ever intended to jump in the first place, which is going to cause you unknown problems later. Every minute that passes takes you another three miles farther south. 

At the last minute, you realize one thing you can do is toss out a couple of items, that if found, might throw off the ground search you know will be coming. So...you hurl both the briefcase and the dummy chute out the back after the stairs open. 

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[For argument's sake, let's assume that Cooper did NOT know that the rebounding of the airstairs after he jumped would trigger the Airstairs Open indicator light to flash OFF for a second, telling the flight crew that Cooper had just departed the aircraft. He figures if no one sees him jump, no one will know WHEN he jumped all the way to Reno. Unless he were an actual 727 pilot or Flight Engineer, there is no way he could have known all that.]

The purpose of disposing of the briefcase and the dummy chute would be to throw off the ground search and/or dispose of evidence, although as Cooper, you know these items might never be found, but it's worth a shot. So that's what you do. And then a few short minutes later, you JUMP...thinking no one will know when you did. And it just happens that the jet is over an area of several hundred square miles of privately-owned forest where the public seldom is allowed to go, and if they ARE allowed to go in there, it is not in great numbers, not like a typical National Forest. But by the time you do the actual jump, you are once again over public lands, more or less, or at least over areas not restricted to public travel. 

This is the most likely scenario on why those two items were never found. And they are probably still out there. 

(On a side note relating to the idea of Kenny Christiansen as Cooper, I personally believe the red sticks were actually quarter rolls taped together end-to-end with red electrical tape, as told by Bernie Geestman's niece, and that Cooper probably removed them from the briefcase before disposing of it. PURPOSE: To make phone calls. But that's a whole other story.)

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Not to brag, or put ideas in your heads Cooper fans...but for a guy who others say is 'ignored,' I sure get a lot of views to my work at Quora with both general questions, as well as the Everything DB Cooper Space there...

Just saying. If you REALLY want people to see your stuff on the Cooper case, you might want to consider joining that Space. B)

You'll get a lot more looks to your theories and suspects by hopping on board the EDB Cooper Train, more than Dropzone and a LOT more than over at Shutter's Place. Every time a new post on the Cooper case is made at the EDB Cooper Space, a link to the full content of your post goes out to over 2,000 people by email automatically. If I share it with my followers, nearly 3,000. If a Quora staff member shares it...goes to many thousands of Quora users. Then there are the recipients of your email notice that sometimes share your latest entry with OTHERS.

Welcome to the 21st century, my friends. That one-day spike came from a link to a WordPress entry I did on the case recently. And a couple of other items I contributed. The three 'shares' are the ones I did, not others. Those are not listed. What are the bottom-line results of all this, as it relates to my participation in the Cooper case? Wholesale book sales (not Amazon) are WAY up worldwide for the Blast book, and my email box gets almost more messages than I can handle from people who live in countries all over the world....

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