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LOL. The both of you are bat-shit crazy. B) Even weirder than the video below. 

I can actually play this song, although it sounds better on a Rickenbacker than on my old SG. 

Useless Trivia Dept: The bass player sold one of his guitars to help Jimi Hendrix along with money, when Jimi first went to England to try out his act there. 

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1 hour ago, RobertMBlevins said:

LOL. The both of you are bat-shit crazy. B) Even weirder than the video below. 

(Hope you don't mind that I put both of you on the Ignore List. This thread has become a joke in Cooperland.)

I can actually play this song, although it sounds better on a Rickenbacker than on my old SG. 

Useless Trivia Dept: The bass player sold one of his guitars to help Jimi Hendrix along with money, when Jimi first went to England to try out his act there. He's the tall guy on the far left. 

It shouldn't be much longer until this thread gets retired. And no one will miss it at all. 

Another member accepted to the new forum, a place most of you will never see. B) Current postings here finally convinced me it will remain private-only, and not only that...no one who is registered at the DB Cooper Forum will be allowed on board, unless Tom Kaye or someone 'solid' in the Cooper case wants to join. Otherwise, I will accept only folks who don't engage in porno posts, spamming, or hatred. I don't need those people, and certainly don't want them. You guys are more trouble than you are worth. No caught-up-the-vortex folks. Please. 

Back to World of Tanks. Off work tomorrow, and through next Monday. Another Escape the Covid Camping Trip planned for August...and boy I will be happy to bail town for that. This time it's Trap Pass in the Olympics. If you want to know where that is, just Google it on Google Maps. Some pictures below of the last trip. Highest and most beautiful place you can drive to there, and not easy to reach. Don't try it in a VW. B)

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One thing's for sure. I have a lot more fun than YOU do. This is nearly a certainty. 
No one else is invited, although a couple of guys from the Nissan truck forum have expressed an interest in going along. I'm still kicking it around on that. As Willem Dafoe once said in the film, Platoon:

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"I move better alone..." 

 

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1 hour ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Useless Trivia Dept: The bass player sold one of his guitars to help Jimi Hendrix along with money, when Jimi first went to England to try out his act there. 

Jimi was no whuffo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX6vhRKKpmU

("...excuse me while I kiss the sky...")

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One thing's for sure. I have a lot more fun than YOU do.

Wanna bet?

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1 hour ago, dudeman17 said:

Jimi was no whuffo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX6vhRKKpmU

("...excuse me while I kiss the sky...")

Wanna bet?

Bet who has the most fun? Well, 'fun' covers a lot of ground. ^_^ Due to all the Covid Crap, we're probably no better than a tie. Hell...no one is having much fun right now. 

When I said back there I wasn't allowing anyone from Shutter's forum on board the new site, it's a matter of trust. Right now not many members, but so far...only people I know and trust. I know you have posted recently at his site. (In your case, I'm not holding this against you.) I also know if you spoke up against certain things, or certain viewpoints at Shutter's place, you would be ostracized and maybe even banned. It's like 1984 over there, and Shutter does the part of Big Brother.

Kurt Russell said in 'The Thing,' that "trust is a hard thing to come by these days..." This is sort of where I am on the whole thing. I would rather be patient and wait for the right people, rather than allowing the Crazy Crap at Dropzone that's going right now, or trust people who hide behind rocks and take shots at people in the Cooper case who can't respond to those shots personally. IMHO that's a historic thing that has gone on at Shutter's place for years. 

I also say sometimes that the site has a decent purpose, but Shutter lets his emotions get in the way of his better judgment. I still think this is the case today. What you have over there is a small clique of people who think their shit doesn't stink, and that they can do no wrong. Even when they ARE wrong. It's hard for me to grant proper respect to such a place. Shutter does more whining about me than my mother-in-law. 

Did you know he even refused to put out a notice about the DB Cooper movie, and that there were paying slots available to some of his members on that? With contracts? He refused to let them know, even when I asked him to. He made that call without even putting it in front of the same people he hosts. Some 'top website on Cooper,' if you'll excuse me saying that. Cheats his own members out of any REAL news on the Cooper case, based on whether he likes someone or not, or supports this or that...or not. No worries. He will read this and toss out some justifications, some additional excuses. He has an excuse for everything he does, and is always perfect. Never wrong. Even when he is. 

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I have it on good information that the spammer is gone, and that he won't be coming back.

I can't say why or how, but trust me on this one.

Welcome back, Cooper folk! Things have returned to normal. :thumbup:

Now let me tell you the ten best reasons Kenny Christiansen was D.B. Cooper.

Just kidding. B)

To celebrate, and since my truck needs new tires anyway, I'm installing a set of THESE on it. 
Seemed appropriate. You gotta love it. 

Picture of the infamous 'Teal Terror' shown below. 

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A short post in response to Cooper investigator Bruce Smith's claims that he went to the door at my house with his phony 'Press ID' badge, and determined that my lady...Gayla...was more or less the Sea Hag.

Let me tell you something, Bruce. If YOUR woman looks THIS good at 60+ years of age...you should be happy. I am happy. You are a jerk. 

Not only that...but having a free WordPress blog does not give you the right to issue yourself bullshit press credentials with the name 'Mountain News' on them. Only a legit journalistic organization can issue those, and a WordPress blog doesn't count. B)

And your pack of lies about that incident has no bounds. You KNEW I would not be home that weekend. It was posted to your own article on Cooper in comments...and you responded to it. Later, you scrubbed my comment to cover your lies. And no one called the cops on you after you came pounding your fist on my door. When I called you later, it was from the Olympics, not my house. It was actually better for you that I wasn't home that day, which is probably why you decided to drive by my house to ask me if I was responsible for causing the cancellation of the Cooper Convention at the Portland Yacht Club. You knew I wouldn't be home, and you could just pick on Gayla. Stop lying to people. Like you did about the Ariel Store event when you posted up that I threatened you. I never even SAW you. I was busy cooking food for a couple of hundred people, helping with the fundraising auction, and dealing with the Travel Channel folks. If you hadn't posted negative stuff about Bryan Woodruff and the store because he had agreed to let AB of Seattle help him (and we did help him) you wouldn't have been banned from the event. Your fault, not mine, that you ended up watching from a highway guardrail. But your lies are tiresome. And on a side note, you don't help your case (or your credibility) by allowing posts such as this recent string of garbage on your latest Cooper article. Just makes you look worse with the general reading public. 

I dunno. I would say Gayla looks pretty good for someone old enough to collect Social Security. She's the former Miss Vista, CA from 1978 which ain't much, but it also ain't bad. 

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"It's NOT a beauty contest...it's a SCHOLARSHIP program!" 
From the film, Miss Congeniality. ^_^

 

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EDIT: Other Cooper folks get angry at me sometimes. I'm okay with it, mostly. But if you don't want to see posts like this pulling the covers from your lies, then don't post those lies publicly on the internet. Because, like Joe Kenda in Homicide Hunter, I will definitely respond to them with the truth, and let sensible folks decide for themselves who is honest and who is not.  :thumbup:

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I would like to address the comments made by Dave, aka 'Shutter' over at the DB Cooper Forum recently, mainly because they refer to this thread at Dropzone:

One at a time, to make it easier for him (and other readers to understand). LINK IS HERE to his actual post. July 19, at the height of the spam and porno attacks by Derek Godsey. (Minor corrections to Shutter's capitalization and spelling to make it easier to understand.) Posted under Fair Use rules to demonstrate a point, or in evidentiary support of an issue. 

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'Mr. Blevins..the "public" has a name for you and you will now be forever known as "Karen". they are rude, obnoxious and hateful people that can't keep there mouths shut.'

Robert says: I have no idea who 'Karen' is, and what the heck you are babbling about.  You rag on me more than my mother in law. It borders on obsession. Actually, you are much worse. My current mother in law is very nice. We will compare you to my FIRST mother in law. She was pretty bad. (*laughs*) 

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'You seem to be the only "jerk" posting on the DZ during Derek's protest. especially after lying and stating you will no longer contribute.'

Robert says: I changed my mind just to piss you off. ^.^ Not like any of you were supporting Dropzone at the time. Some of you were busy supporting Derek, (I've seen the posts at Bruce's Mountain News site) and what Derek was doing was NOT 'a protest'. He was posting absolute filth NSFW. (*not suitable for work*...or for children either.) Big difference from a 'protest'. 

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'Now you claim to have moved everything elsewhere while continuing to post off topic rants. You sure it's not YOU that is working with Derek?'

Robert says: All the 'heavy' DB Cooper stuff? Like any new evidence, or news on the upcoming movie? Not putting that up here at Dropzone anymore. Mainly because you watch this site like a hawk, make mentions at the Cooper Forum on many of my posts, and then twist around the facts to suit yourself. This is all after making sure I can't respond to your comments in person. I would call that cowardice. And I wouldn't call my posts rants. If you mean pulling the sheets on liars and bullshitters in the Cooper case, some of them being your most prolific members, YES. Guilty as charged. But I usually provide links and evidence to back up those claims. As far as 'working with Derek,' that isn't even worth a response. Except maybe a 'no'. I don't work with idiots and spammers. 

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You made several claims to have the thread removed, even going to Speakers Corner to protest it's closing. what's the truth here, Karen. are you guilty of "collusion", Karen..."I dunno"?

Robert says: I went to Speakers Corner and suggested that if DZ admins couldn't rid themselves of Derek Godsey's filthy porn attacks, that YES...perhaps the thread should be re-locked for good. And yes, I suggested that because of Derek eating up bandwidth by doing this...that I was okay with it should the decision to actually DELETE the thread be done. Later, I worked with DZ a bit (please don't ask for details because I can't discuss it) to help them get rid of Derek. It seems to have worked. (Derek's identity 'FallOutRoy,' is still in place, although he can no longer post under that name. I have sent a message out about that. The ID and his posts should be deleted soon.)

I have no idea who 'Karen' is. I checked the Speakers Corner thread. Didn't see any mention of this person. Or at the other thread for Suggestions (to the DZ website) 

For a guy who never posts anymore to Dropzone...has his own website going already on the Cooper case...etc...you SURE like to bring my name up a lot. Why is that? No need to answer. Nothing would please you more than for me to magically 'go away' somehow. You absolutely can't stand it that people read my posts. Well...too late to wish for that, Dave. Those days are OVER. We already have about 2,000 followers at the Quora Cooper Space, you know. You got your way, more or less...for a while...UNTIL DZ re-opened this thread. But now because of Quora and DZ, you are NOT the only Cooper info source in town, my friend. And it's way too late for you to believe I will just vanish. B)You and I both understand that virtually everyone in Cooperland stops by here occasionally, even if they don't post. On the Everything DB Cooper Quora Space, I am not sure on that one. We post stuff about Cooper, and sometimes other stuff that has nothing to do with him. Many of the posts are about flight in general, or other hijacking-related things. 

On a side note, the new forum we created on the Cooper case will remain private. Members only. PERMANENTLY. No worries. We have few members and the action is kind of slow, but it works for us. People can join if they wish, even people from YOUR Cooper site, but they have to be honest about the whole thing. If not, they can hang out with you. I have absolutely no problem with this. You'll be happy to know that despite the fact it is a PRIVATE site, that I have strict rules in place regarding attacks on others. Or copying over material from other sites without proper credit and just talking about that material. This is NOT allowed.  
 

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That was a joke, right? 

I no longer comment, or have any good opinions regarding that person. (Derek) A guy who spent weeks posting up absolute filth at Dropzone. I also see Shutter over at the Cooper Forum still calling it a 'protest'. And calling me a liar regarding that picture above of Gayla and her mother. He says it's from years ago. It was, of course, taken more recently. 

(As far as Derek engaging in a 'protest,' he had nothing to protest. He was free to post up his evidence on a Cooper suspect just like anyone else. He chose instead to bombard a public website with triple-X-rated pornography instead, in a vindictive and repetitive manner. That is NOT a protest.) 

Even I have morals, believe it or not. He Whose Name Shall Never Again Be Mentioned at Dropzone...the Dreaded Derek...same guy I assisted Dropzone in getting rid of...(admins were considering deleting the entire thread, years of peoples' research)...not a bit of thanks from anyone for being the only one standing up to him, or making any posts showing they thought he was wrong. Shutter would have figured out a way to somehow blame that all on me, of course, had they deleted the thread because of Derek's actions. :/

Nah. I don't discuss DG at all. And I never will. He isn't playing with a full deck. Not even close. 

Shutter? He's nothing but a phony. And I absolutely cannot stand phonies. He could change this attitude, but until he does that is my opinion of him. 

Right now I'm pretty much the only one in Cooperland who gives it to people straight. You will make enemies doing that. But as far as the Cooper case goes, and reporting this or that on it, I can look myself in the mirror without any reservations. I don't play favorites, and I'm the Real Deal on the true nature of Cooperland. I don't belong to any Cooper Clique, and I'm not looking to be voted Most Popular Person in Cooper World. We're not talking about whether KC is the hijacker or not here, but reporting on the people and their websites that have to do with the Cooper case. In fact, everything that surrounds it, from the crazy folks and the liars, to the sensible people like Tom Kaye. Since some of that situation is a bit skewed, yes...not everyone is going to like you. Some people will hate you. I'm okay with all that. 

If I were to change that approach NOW, then I would be in the League of Phonies as well. 

Derek is a special case. He's so far out over the Cooper Vortex ledge, he should have fallen off long ago. I will not talk about him, or anything he does away from Dropzone. 

EDIT: I just now received an email, (semi-polite, anyway) asking me what the hell my 'goals' are being involved in the Cooper case in the first place. I gave this some serious thought, too. It was a fair question. This is what I said:

  • To do my best to ensure that the upcoming movie regarding D.B. Cooper, even though it is limited to a single suspect, (Kenny Christiansen story) is presented in a historically and factual manner, to the best of my ability. This includes mods to the script, and insisting that NO liberties be taken with the KNOWN historical record. 
     
  • To establish a private website where fair and balanced discussion on the Cooper case can be done without hatred, personal attacks, or other negative activity that target specific people involved in helping solve the case. (Reporting on hatred, personal attacks, or negative activity will be done publicly, not behind closed doors.) 
     
  • To continue to publish articles on situations, people, or other issues in Cooperland that present the truth about these issues, in order to ensure the public understands who has personal agendas, and who does not. Or, to report on positive issues and events surrounding the case. My wish is that the positive will outnumber the negative. 
     
  • To continue to present material on the Cooper case in four public formats, and one private one: Dropzone, WordPress, The Quora Space on D.B. Cooper, the private Everything D.B. Cooper Forum, and YouTube. (Less emphasis at Dropzone, more at the other sites.)
     
  • To encourage, sponsor, and support public events, books, films, videos, and other real-life things having to do with the Cooper case. As long as they legitimate. (In the category of Public Events, I still want to sponsor a couple of those, but this will have to wait until the Covid-19 crisis has passed.)
     
  • To reach a point where I can withdraw from most active discussions on the Cooper case, when I think the time is right, and to let all previous work remain public as a permanent record. 


And that's all the news that's fit to print. :handok:

 

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I see Bruce is coming out with a revision of his original Cooper book. No problem with that, of course. 

There is a chapter titled 'Cyber Attacks on Cooper Investigators'. 

I keep wondering if he is reporting on himself this time. (*laughs*) If not, he should. If he doesn't, I may actually buy a copy and post a review with the same link IN that review. I dunno. I may not be that nasty, but that link certainly proves Bruce is the King of Allowing Internet Attacks on Others in the Cooper Case. Anyone who allows garbage comments under false identities (by the score) that go after other Cooper investigators has no business writing a chapter like that.

Unless he plans to do some site scrubbing and a full-blown mea culpa. B) Then I could see it. 

He said this recently:

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"Alas - and a warning to all DB Cooper aficionados when Hollywood comes a-knocking - ya probably gonna get a kick in the balls at some point, and ya may never see it comin'..."

Or...Hollywood might offer you $15,000-$30,000 to serve as historical fact-checker on the first-ever dramatic feature film on the Cooper case...offer to list you in the credits along with your book below that credit...promote you endlessly along the way...and you could ignore all the emails...allowing that job to slip off to someone else. That could happen. B) Then when you realize how you screwed up, you could start allowing anyone and everyone to post up hate-based comments on your own website. 

All about the guy who forwarded that offer to you in the first place. 

I dunno. It could happen.

Stop blaming everyone else for your lack of judgment, and your plain foolishness. 

Just because you were foolish, doesn't mean people should take your advice. 

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Western Flight Path is dead... stick a fork in it.

Portland radar operator, East of the center of V23. Ammerman was watching the less accurate Salem..

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The chase aircraft following 5 miles behind veered East then made a right turn..  small airfield marked with parachute, marked on map just N of Orchards would be close to where the unsub left the plane.  This matches the FBI map.. and rules out the Western flight path.

Ammerman confirmed sending the chase planes E just N of Portland. It was after Cooper was thought to have left the plane. (before 8:15)

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lights of Portland... in FBI file

It just occurred to me that if Cooper could see the lights or glow of Portland/Vancouver he probably would not jump into an urban area.. a knock against a Columbia R jump.

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What HE said...(Flyjack)

And people thought Paul Soderlind and his NWA team were a bunch of amateurs. They knew exactly where that jet was every minute after it left Seattle. Some folks forget that the FBI and NWA, as well as ATC and the military...had a while to prepare for tracking the jet. It wasn't exactly a 'touch and go' thing in Seattle. 

Nice find, Flyjack.

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Stop accepting this garbage.. these aren't all facts. A mix of conjecture and guessing. 

This isn't a valid argument. it is a bumper sticker. 

 

Ulis writes..

Facts:
1) We know where the money was found.
2) We know where the placard was found.
3) We know where the fiberglass skirt was found.
4) We know the altitude of the jet.
5) We know the direction of the wind at various altitudes.
6) We know the speed of the wind at various altitudes.
7) We know that nothing has ever been found in the FBI search area after nearly 50 years.

 

1 yes

2 We don't know if the Placard was from Norjak. It was never confirmed. The FBI walked it back.

3 We don't know what part was found or where it came from,, 

4 yes

5 We don't know the wind direction at the Placard location. Toledo closest, wind was from the S. FBI estimated the wind based on Portland and Salem.. far away.

6 We don't know the wind speed at the Placard location.

7 We don't know that nothing was found.. nothing has been reported confirmed.

 

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When he talks about 'fiberglass skirt' does he mean that piece of junk that was probably part of a strap or something? I heard some stuff about that. They use those in logging all the time. Even if was fiberglass and not nylon, it doesn't look like anything that came off a jet. Let's see a picture...

I've been on so many Forest Service roads and trails in Washington that on most of them, at least on the west slope of the Cascades and into the Olympics...I don't even need a map to get around. (A few years with volunteer Search and Rescue as well.) Forty years of camping out and about and searching out new spots out of those big state book maps will do that. Snoqualmie, Gifford Pinchot, Olympic National Forest, Mt. Baker, Wenatchee National, you name it in any of those places and I've probably been there. 

People dump so much trash in the National Forests it could be anything. They do it at their campfires, behind their camping spots, and at the end of every damn dead-end spur. It's everywhere. 

And who says they didn't find anything? They found that parachute in Amboy, right in the prime drop zone, without a container or harness...takes a human being to remove them even if it WAS a cargo chute, which it probably was NOT...and then a week later they said it wasn't Cooper's. But twelve years after its discovery, if you ask them about it, the Seattle FBI tells you they can't discuss it because it is 'evidence in an ongoing case.' 

Maybe the FBI doesn't tell the public everything they know. B)

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Found near Cinebar, WA?

Even if it WAS from the Cooper jet, the places where people hunt around there would be pretty far east of the flight path...the FBI's version...not some fantasy-induced 'Western Flight Path'. Directly north and WEST of Cinebar is either logging land or privately owned. Almost all hunters working out of the Cinebar area, even back forty years ago, would be heading out northwest of town into the Gifford Pinchot National Forest. That's where all the hunting was, and all the Forest Service access roads exist. 

Although that area sort-of lies near a flight path for Cooper, it looks more like it came from a jet headed to maybe Sacramento. 

And the FBI says it wasn't found missing from the Cooper jet anyway. I wouldn't take Eric Ulis' word that day was light and night was dark. 

Case closed. 

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The Placard..

First, there is no confirmation it came from NORJAK, IMO it is unlikely but possible. Even the FBI walked back the claim by the Sheriff.

The Placard was found right on the FBI flight path, it was within the 1 mile error rate.

For the 100th time, the FBI winds were an ESTIMATE (FBI WORD) based on an average over an hour from 8-9 from Portland and Salem data. Portland is about 40 miles away and Salem about 70 miles..

This is far from the Placard location. There is no data for the Placard area. The closest is Toledo which had wind from the S at 8:00.. even Portland had wind from SE at 7 PM. Seattle wind was SSE at 8 PM.

Tom Kaye's wind balloon data doesn't really help.. SALEM and W of SEATTLE, not even close.

The two closest locations were Salem just south of Portland and Quillayute Bruce said was just west of Seattle. They launch twice a day at 5pm and 5am so that is the data we have. I had him pull a second random day Nov 11 for comparison and you can see that the winds then were actually east near the ground. Nov 24 looks pretty consistent all the way down but seems to be more southerly than we had estimated. Now you can do a proper analysis. TOM KAYE

 

I have posted the files for this over and over,, 

If the Placard came from NORJAK then it indicates the wind was likely from the S at that location 8:04-8:05 PM. It does not prove a western flight path because the wind direction used is not a fact.. it is a guess.

There is no data showing the wind at the Placard location... it is a guess. 

The wind throughout the area was shifting between SE to SSW between 7-9

 

Winds can change in a short distance and time, using an average of Portland and Salem data as a proxy is ridiculous..

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-124.04,46.85,3000

 

In fact, the FBI amended their original wind direction and shifted it to the South created a new rotated search area for the LZ still far South of the Placard. 

 

 

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I believe you. I have also seen the FBI's walk-back on the placard. No way to tell if it's THE placard. 

By the way, check your private message box. 

Non Cooper but Weird Department:

This afternoon, I watched a huge flock of geese heading SOUTH. Kind of early for that. Like WAY early. Maybe the geese know something about this winter that we don't know. Usually they head that way in the late fall. It was weird. Either that, or they got kicked out of Canada. :`(

On a side note, I see over at the DB Cooper forum run by Dave Brown ('Shutter') they are once again eating their own young regarding the flight path. Eric Ulis and Robert99 are sticking to their ridiculous, against-all-the-evidence contention that Air Traffic Control, SAGE radar, crew reports, and at least two military jets (with radar) were all wrong, and THEY are right about the flight being on the west side of Interstate 5, flying over Tina Bar, and that's how the ransom money ended up there. 

They discount reality by claiming this, of course. All of those groups, including Paul Soderlind's top-notch team from NWA had plenty of time to prepare for the takeoff from Seattle. Soderlind, the former Flight Ops Director of NWA, was certainly no dummy. He's in the Minnesota Aviation Hall of Fame, and invented several techniques regarding commercial passenger flight that are still in use today. On the evening of the hijacking, he knew exactly what he was doing. 

For a guy like Ulis, a known LIAR in the case anyway, to put himself up as smarter than all of those groups is like the Ministry of Truth in the novel by George Orwell, 1984. In the book, the Ministry simply changed truth to lies and then made them the official truth instead.

Ulis could have run the place. 

Just take a hard and objective look at what goes on at the Cooper Forum. It's a clique that lost its way years ago. Two of three of their biggest contributors support attacks on other Cooper investigators, (Bruce Smith and Dave Brown) and constantly make excuses about it. That place is more slanted than the floor under the pool table at the famous Ariel Store. They ignore important news, keep some of their own members in the dark regarding certain truths, and try to bury anyone who speaks out against them. None of it really works.

Ask Shutter sometime how he supported the outright THEFT of Cooper suspect Sheridan Peterson's life's work, his anti-Vietnam War book The Idiot's Frightful Laughter. Shutter hosted a boatload of posts on his website detailing the progress of the theft, with snide and arrogant comments to boot, and ruined any chance Peterson or his family ever had of publishing the book legitimately. They even purchased an ISBN number for the book under false pretenses. By LYING about owning the rights. Peterson's book is registered with the US Copyright Office. Shutter ignored my messages warning him what he and his website were doing was wrong. Figures. And here's the REAL kicker...this was all done simply to obtain a few copies for bragging rights at one of Eric Ulis' CON-ventions. Want proof? Just ask. I'm planning an illustrated WordPress article about it soon. 

But if I were you, I wouldn't. Because you will be made into bigger fools than you are now. Stealing someone's intellectual work, or supporting such theft on a website is wrong. 

They have become a complete joke in the Cooper case. Despite Shutter's denials, the people who are producing the first-ever dramatic feature film on the Cooper case took a hard look at all that...and decided they weren't worth the trouble. 

Bruce Smith, supposedly a level-headed guy who is an expert on the case, still allows anonymous hatred against others to be posted on his own website, while trying to present an image of 'poor little me'. It is a joke, and little else. 

Here's the deal, Cooper fans. The more you try to squash the truth, or even other voices...the more it comes back to bite you. In my opinion, what needs to be done is for other voices at the Cooper Forum to speak out about the hypocrisy of the whole arrangement. Have the people who answer you leave baloney at the door. 

Edited by RobertMBlevins

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