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Well, we WANTED to stop by Tina Mucklow's place, but decided not to because of social distancing. And besides, we had other business to attend to. Okay...the truth is we never had any intention of trying that one without an appointment. ^_^

It was a nice trip. First time I have driven that far on Interstate 5 and hardly any traffic the whole way...even going through downtown Portland on the way there and back. Very strange. Like everybody moved away or something. That parking lot you see is usually packed to the gills on Saturdays. There was no one there. 

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Just in case there are any Nissan Hardbody fans on this thread, SBJ's truck is the one on the right. It's an extremely rare 1986.5 SE-V6, 4WD. Was top of the line model for that year. Has many original factory options, headers, and upgraded to a VG-33 (3.3 liter) six-cylinder. The one on the left is my 1997 2WD King Cab. Also heavily upgraded, but has the 2.4 liter four-cylinder. Why Nissan stopped making these was the infamous Chicken Tax. Still plenty of fans, I can assure you. 

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Seen recently posted by Shutter is below. Since I know many members of the Cooper Forum also check in HERE at DZ, I have a response for him as well as some of his members. 

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Shutter says: 
"The 302's are a very good tool but one needs to go further. Eric is in the background doing just that. he going much further than reading two documents and claiming fact. a lot of people say a lot of negative things about him but fail to actually get to know him. I speak with him often on the phone. bringing up a ticket from 1989 isn't going to work either. especially, if you fail to have all the facts. Blevins can't compete with him on any level. he is weak and not business savvy. that leaves him to whine over and over like a broken record. he will tell you how it should be done but fail to prove it. that's a fact. every year he will claim to hold an event only to back out..."

Let me start from the end and work back, Shutter. With a thing they call 'the truth'. (I know you are a Trump supporter, and this concept is difficult for you to grasp, so I will be patient.) 

1) We did not back off from any Cooper event. Poison pen lies from several of Shutter's members to the organizers of the proposed Portland event last year...as well as a lack of support from certain folks who hang out with Shutter...were the reason Jim Brunberg canceled. As many of you know already, Eric Ulis also lied to several people in a group email that went out to the organizers for his own selfish reasons. So you got the event you deserved, not in Portland, but in Vancouver. If you want a good event, you have to also SUPPORT it, or I am not wasting my time and money with you. 

2) Five Cooper Campouts HAVE been held with great success and good attendance, except for the one we tried doing down near Mount Hood, Oregon. Only a few people showed up for that one, but that was mainly because most of the previous folks did not want to switch from going to the Olympic Mountains clear to Oregon. (Majority of previous attendees come from Seattle/Puget Sound area.)

3) I can 'compete' with Eric Ulis just fine, thank you. Although I don't actually view it as a competition. Eric tries hard. But we are already THERE, having signed to help create the first-ever, full-length, dramatic motion picture on the Cooper hijacking. We are the recipients of thousands of dollars in option money over the last three years. Guess they must be serious. None of the members of Shutter's forum, including Eric, are involved. This was THEIR choice. They were offered the chance and refused. 

4) I have PLENTY of business savvy. Despite your cleaning and toilet-scrubbing jokes, I helped take that business from almost nothing to one of the most successful cleaning businesses in Puget Sound. I did this for almost twenty years, and after some time I was able to recruit mostly upscale customers who tip very well around Christmas. I haven't paid for Christmas for at least 15 years now. AB of Seattle, since we stick to the wholesale trade business in books, has had a steady income each month from all that for well over ten years. I don't have to lift a finger anymore. It just appears in either our bank account or PayPal, depending on the payment source (Lightning Source or Amazon). This will go on until well after I am gone, and then it will go on to one of my daughters for many years to come. 

6) I am not 'weak' by any means. If you don't believe that, let's do a tandem hike to the summit of Mt Rainier and we will see which one of us has to call the rangers for rescue on the other. No worries. My smartphone will reach them for you. 

7) As far as calling off any Cooper events THIS year, that is true. The Corona Crisis caused me to cancel our Spring Cooper Campout. There may be one at the end of summer, maybe...depends on the situation...but none of you would attend anyway, so why worry about it? B)

8) DZ members, some folks in the public domain, some media, and others have figured out that the Cooper Forum and Bruce Smith's Mountain News actively support the effort by the spammer to have this thread shut down due to his repeated filthy spam postings, as well as you promoting lies about other people. Both of those sites stand to gain, but you are all losing major respect by supporting this. You have become the things you once spoke against. You are all phonies and hypocrites for sure. You will end up as a footnote, a small group remembered only for your lies, and your attacks on others. 

Picture below tells the story, and my attitude regarding the people who tell so many lies, and tacitly support so much baloney that they can't keep track of what is real anymore, and what is not. One thing you can depend on. You may not like what I have to say, but brother I will always give it to you straight. 

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What I believe it completely irrelevant... You can see that there is a bulge in Tina's coat pocket, we don't know what is in there.. it is something.

Remember, Tina asked for some ransom money and TOOK it into her possession. She claimed she then returned it citing a company policy not to accept gratuities, yet she took it. That is the only money we know of that was separated from the ransom money. It is the only ransom money we now of that was in the possession of somebody other than Cooper. Tina resided a few miles upstream of TBAR within a few years of the money discovery. TBAR money is the only Cooper money to be found.

The only "evidence" that Tina returned the money to Cooper is her claim, there is nothing else to confirm it.. Only Cooper and Tina know the truth.

Back then Tina's story was just accepted. Today, that would never happen. 

It is completely irresponsible to NOT consider this as a theory for the TBAR money. Anybody that says they don't accept this are rejecting a theory based on speculation... there is zero evidence to reject it. The right answer is obvious, you don't fully reject or fully accept it. It is a theory.

Too many Cooper sleuths operate in a binary mode, accept or reject based on conjecture.. they ignore the 3rd option. NEITHER.

The case never advances without vetting theories, something went wrong with this investigation early that undermined the case. The most important witness used by the FBI was Tina, IF she was compromised the investigation was doomed.

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Checking in. Of course, the first thing I have to do lately is put Derek (the porn spammer) on the Ignore Posts list again LOL. And then report his posts, although this time I linked DZ admins to the places that tacitly support him. Not a REAL big deal. They just scrub him again from the site. Sooner or later he will tire of it, and as far as trying to establish any credibility in the Cooper investigation, he flushed that right down the toilet about the tenth time he attacked the DZ site with his porn. What he's doing is actually against US Federal law, and someday DZ admins might decide to file a complaint on him. I'm sure they have his IP address by now. The Feds use that information through your internet server to find your computer. But I'm not the Feds and it isn't my job. Usually the Federal Trade Commission handles this stuff and on a complaint, you can lose your computer(s) and be charged with a gross misdemeanor. Second offense is a felony. In any case, Derek is a write-off and joins the small legion of Cooper Nuts who let an obsession with the case engulf their life. Shutter over at the DB Cooper Forum hints that Derek may have been a former member, or at least knows of him. 

Flyjack:  Well, as far as your pocketing-the-money idea regarding Tina, I will accept it as a theory, sure. I'm willing to do that. But there is scant evidence to support that theory. There are no witnesses. No one actually SAW Tina keep any money. She was known to be heavily religious, even before she became a nun. There is no evidence she has done a single dishonest thing in her life. Just not much there to go on. But as I said, I will accept it as another theory in the case. 

As some of you know, I am moving out of the Great Northwest no later than April or May of next year. Maybe sooner. Depending on what happens with this Corona Virus junk, I *may* sponsor one more Cooper Campout at the end of summer this year...the biggest one yet (I'm doing an open invitation to anyone and everyone via Craigslist)...but we will see. If I determine it is not safe to do that, then I won't do that. Truth is no one knows how this whole mess with Covid-19 will turn out, or when it will end. If a gathering, a party on Cooper could be dangerous for the attendees...I simply will not do it. Don't get me wrong. I WANT to do it. I just don't know yet whether it would be safe. 

Yesterday, I saw stuff I had never seen before. Entire mall parking lots empty on a Saturday afternoon. Individual businesses closed for the duration. Few cars on the freeways. Even fewer people on the streets, and no more than two people together at the same time. It was as if (almost) everyone abandoned civilization and moved to Antarctica. Very strange. I think people will remember 2020 years from now, maybe decades. 

 

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1 minute ago, RobertMBlevins said:

 

Flyjack:  Well, as far as your pocketing-the-money idea regarding Tina, I will accept it as a theory, sure. I'm willing to do that. But there is scant evidence to support that theory. There are no witnesses. No one actually SAW Tina keep any money. She was known to be heavily religious, even before she became a nun. There is no evidence she has done a single dishonest thing in her life. Just not much there to go on. But as I said, I will accept it as another theory in the case. 

 

 

You have it backwards,, there is no evidence to support Tina's claim that she returned the money to Cooper.

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2 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

You have it backwards,, there is no evidence to support Tina's claim that she returned the money to Cooper.

No, that is not backwards. People are innocent until proven guilty, or at least until enough evidence can be gathered against them to support their possible guilt. The presumption of guilt without evidence is not only unfair, it is a slippery slope. The available evidence, which is mostly circumstantial, (her known character and background, and being a heavy witness in the Cooper case) leans more toward the idea she did not try keeping the money. Not saying you're wrong, but you need more than a slight bulge in a picture. Something, anything. 

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1 hour ago, RobertMBlevins said:

No, that is not backwards. People are innocent until proven guilty, or at least until enough evidence can be gathered against them to support their possible guilt. The presumption of guilt without evidence is not only unfair, it is a slippery slope. The available evidence, which is mostly circumstantial, (her known character and background, and being a heavy witness in the Cooper case) leans more toward the idea she did not try keeping the money. Not saying you're wrong, but you need more than a slight bulge in a picture. Something, anything. 

That is just false, innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard in court. If you adhered to this in an investigation then NO THEORY could ever be investigated, it is a self defeating paradigm.

You are making the mistake everyone does, you assume a theory must proven as fact to pursue it. <<  this is irrational. 

 

This is a theory, it is not fact.

 

I have already covered the circumstantial evidence that supports this theory.. 

 

Tina asked for and took possession of the ransom money.

Tina's excuse for its return and the timeline doesn't make sense.

Tina is the only known person to possess any ransom money other than Cooper.

Cooper offered the other stews ransom money much later as they left.

It appears Tina has something resembling the size/shape of packets in her coat pocket.

Tina resided a few miles upstream of TBAR within a few years of the money discovery. The only Cooper money ever found.

The TBAR money find is consistent with somebody tossing it in the Columbia River a few miles upstream and within a few years prior to its discovery. Money washing up on a place called Tena Bar is just a coincidence. The money was not planted or ever meant to be found.

The money was found far from Cooper's LZ with no obvious means of natural transport.

Tina's body language was very sheepish, head low and avoidance,, right after the hijacking.

Tina had emotional/mental issues around the time and after the money was discovered. 

Tina hid out for years in isolation in what some describe as "witness protection".. 

There is ZERO evidence to confirm Tina's claim that she handed back the money.

During the hijacking Tina developed a good relationship with Cooper. Both were from Pa (midwest). (I don't believe they knew each other before the hijacking)

Finally, the Cooper case was a big failure for the FBI, they relied extensively on Tina, if she was compromised that may explain it. If Tina did keep the money she took from Cooper and discarded later, the entire case makes sense.. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

That is just false, innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard in court. If you adhered to this in an investigation then NO THEORY could ever be investigated, it is a self defeating paradigm.

You are making the mistake everyone does, you assume a theory must proven as fact to pursue it. <<  this is irrational. 

 

This is a theory, it is not fact.

 

I have already covered the circumstantial evidence that supports this theory.. 

 

Tina asked for and took possession of the ransom money.

(*May have handled some of the money. Current record says she returned it.) 

Tina's excuse for its return and the timeline doesn't make sense.

(*Many of the things in the timeline are without sense. Or more accurately, incomplete.)

Tina is the only known person to possess any ransom money other than Cooper.

(*Handling and returning is not necessarily possession.) 

Cooper offered the other stews ransom money much later as they left.

(*They also refused the money.)

It appears Tina has something resembling the size/shape of packets in her coat pocket.

(*Maybe. Could be anything.)

Tina resided a few miles upstream of TBAR within a few years of the money discovery. 

(*Tina lived at Stew Zoo in Minneapolis, worked for the airline for at least a few more years after the hijacking and was from Pennsylvania. She moved to the Northwest later, yes.)

The money was found far from Cooper's LZ with no obvious means of natural transport.

(*This does not mean that Mucklow hiked down to property that was privately owned or threw money into the Columbia nearby. If she wanted to dispose of the money, that seems like a lot of trouble. She could have just tossed it into a fireplace.) 

Tina's body language was very sheepish, head low and avoidance,, right after the hijacking.

(*Probably exhausted. Long flight. Minneapolis to Portland with stops. On to Seattle. Hours on the ground. Hauling parachutes and a 22-pound money bag into the plane with FBI snipers out there. Real fun. Another leg to Reno. Dozens of reporters there with flashing cameras. FBI agents and LEO galore. She looks tired. And it wasn't over yet. Everyone got interviewed. Everyone had to sit at that table in front of the press, all of them under pressure from NWA big wigs not to screw the pooch. By the time any of them got to bed, they had probably been up for at least 24 hours straight, and under the greatest emotional strain of their lives to that point.)

Tina had emotional/mental issues around the time and after the money was discovered. 

(*She was probably suffering from PTSD anyway. No one knows her actual mental state except Tina and her shrink, if she had one.) 

Tina hid out for years in isolation in what some describe as "witness protection".. 

(*Flo Schaffner would check under her car for while, after the hijacking, to see if a bomb was there. She had nightmares for years. In 2006, when Geoff Gray interviewed her, her hands shook while looking at pictures related to the hijacking. I don't know about Alice Hancock. Since they didn't catch Cooper right away, and never did as it turns out, it makes sense that Tina would go into hiding. Had they caught Cooper, she would have been the main witness against him.) 

There is ZERO evidence to confirm Tina's claim that she handed back the money.

(*This assumes Tina would be foolish enough to just stick stolen money into her pocket, knowing she was going to be heavily questioned by the FBI in Reno. They seemed satisfied with her testimony. Since it is on record that Cooper DID offer the stews some of the money, it is almost certain they questioned her about it, and in no uncertain terms.) 

During the hijacking Tina developed a good relationship with Cooper. Both were from Pa.

(*Assumes facts not in evidence. No one knows 'where Cooper was from'. Not for sure. The only evidence on Cooper's history comes from two statements:  "Minnesota is nice country," Cooper said when Tina told him she lived at Stew Zoo near the airport in Minneapolis. She did say she was from Pennsylvania originally. Cooper did not comment on that. He also knew the Seattle area from the air. Not to harp on an obvious point too much, but this sounds more like someone who USED to live in Minnesota and was living in the area where the hijacking took place.) 

Finally, the Cooper case was a big failure for the FBI, they relied extensively on Tina, if she was compromised that may explain it.

(*They seemed satisfied with her as a witness. They also interviewed all the other witnesses, including the remainder of the crew, the ticket agent, etc. In all the years since the hijacking, not a single whisper has come from anyone...not the FBI, not the witnesses...no one...showing any evidence that Mucklow somehow kept some of the money and disposed of it in the Columbia River.) 

One final point:  I think everyone on the crew figured that Cooper would be caught (like most of the other hijackers were) and in short order. They could not have known he would escape so easily. That was LATER. Knowing this, for Tina to try keeping some of the ransom would have been extremely foolish. Had they actually caught Cooper on the ground like they planned...the FBI's next stop would be to Tina...to find out why she lied to them. They would have taken her away in handcuffs. She probably realized all that when Cooper offered her money. I will accept your theory, but you need more evidence than supposition and assumptions. The timeline of the money find at Tina Bar, as well as the condition of the money, lends itself more to the idea that the money was disposed of shortly after the FBI bypassed the Statute of Limitations in 1976. By disposing of it near water, it also creates doubt on whether Cooper was alive or not. That was likely the whole idea. 

 

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Good point, I meant to be more general and say "midwest".. rather than Pa..

 

Asking for some money and taking it by hand is possession whether it is returned or not.

 

Flo claimed Tina was hiding something...

 

Tina was the only one acting sheepish.

 

You are relying on your assumption of Tina's motives and behaviours to discount, you know none of those.

 

So, what evidence is there to support Tina's claim,, all I read are lots of baseless assumptions..

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Took me a bit to reply...I had to put the spammer on the Ignore List again LOL.

What is there to show Mucklow did not try keeping any of the money? We're talking about a woman only a few years out of high school who was looking forward to Thanksgiving, and ended up going for the ride of her life. If she had a 'good relationship' with Cooper, it was only to try and make sure she and the crew and the passengers didn't get blown up by some hijacker. The idea she would pocket a few thousand dollars and then try to face a ton of FBI agents afterward doesn't make a lot of sense. They questioned her both in Reno, and after she returned to Pennsylvania to be with family for a while. She was heavily religious, carried a Bible with her constantly, and even tried converting Flo Schaffner once, according to Flo. She later became a nun, as you know. She was from a good family. Nothing in any of that tells me she was a thief. Besides...the FBI was on that crew like white on rice after they landed in Reno. And during these initial interviews, the stews freely admitted they were offered money and went into details. If Tina had some of it right in front of them, in her pocket, that would take a great deal of moxee to pull off. You are talking criminal here. And remember...anyone caught with that money...especially some stew who decided to risk it...would conceivably be looking at up to 40 years in prison as an accomplice. The judge and the FBI would have had absolutely no mercy on her. 

You could speculate that all three of them actually took money, and just made up that story on the tip offer to make it look good. You could say maybe Cooper made a deal with the passengers closest to him to pay them off if they gave bullshit descriptions. Who knows? 

I'll accept it is a theory. I don't know if its true. I'm saying you have to have more evidence on this than you have right now. Maybe you find out Mucklow bought a new car within a year of the crime for cash. Something like that. She has a pretty solid background that is hard to ignore. 

To the Spammer Guy: No attention being given to your posts. We just blank them out and move on. Then they scrub you. (*laughs*) Sooner or later the FTC guys may show up at your place to remove your computers, but that's not my problem. B)
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NEWS:

Planning another Escape From the Virus Camping Trip to the Olympics again...and no one is invited. This time I get to try out my new black powder pistol from Cabela's. Should be fun. You too can be Josey Wales. B)

I get the idea sometimes that I have more fun than some of the people obsessed with the Cooper case.

Live a little. You'll live LONGER. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, dudeman17 said:

How many money packets did Tina handle? If she only handled / had (temporary?) possession of one packet, it would be hard to use her as a reason for the three packet Tena Bar money.

That is unknown..  only Cooper and Tina know.

but she was also alone with Cooper after the other stews left.

Tosaw's theory was that Cooper put the money Tina gave back into his coat pocket landed in the Columbia and that was the money that washed up on TBAR.

 

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2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

That is unknown..  only Cooper and Tina know.

but she was also alone with Cooper after the other stews left.

Tosaw's theory was that Cooper put the money Tina gave back into his coat pocket landed in the Columbia and that was the money that washed up on TBAR.

 

It has been firmly established, despite Robert99 and Eric Ulis' claims to the contrary that NWA, the ATC, military SAGE radar, and Air Force jets knew exactly where that jet was every minute. After it got past Portland, I can't say. The money did not drop out of the sky. 

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26 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

It has been firmly established, despite Robert99 and Eric Ulis' claims to the contrary that NWA, the ATC, military SAGE radar, and Air Force jets knew exactly where that jet was every minute. After it got past Portland, I can't say. The money did not drop out of the sky. 

Yeah, the evidence suggests the money arrived within a few years of the find..

Probably went into the river in spring and washed up on TBAR soon after...

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I found a voice recording from the 60's. I am about 90% certain it is Hahneman but still trying to get 100% confirmation.

It brings up a point nobody has considered...

Did the FBI play voice recordings of any major suspects to the witnesses?

There is no indication from the files that they ever considered it.

 

I don't know if witnesses could recognize Cooper's voice now, after almost 50 years.. 

 

For example, I can hear a unique speech pattern/cadence/accent for Sheridan Peterson...  each suspect would have their own voice characteristics.

All we got was low, intelligent and no discernible accent.

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FYI: I don't have a problem when people disagree with me on forums, especially regarding the Cooper case. I'm okay with that. 

I'm even okay with people who don't like me. Life is not a popularity contest. 

But there is nothing I dislike more than a phony. Since D.B. Cooper investigator Bruce Smith has decided to allow the proliferation of hateful comments at his own website...a place where he declares to people he DOESN'T support hatred...

I decided that to teach Bruce a lesson in manners, I would comment to his videos at YouTube, and add a link to them that leads back to scores of hateful comments he has allowed at Mountain News.

These include comments he's allowing supporting the recent pornography attacks on the Dropzone website by Derek Godsey. At least a dozen attacks to date, under a dozen different usernames...all phony...using known names of investigators, LEO figures, and authors of Cooper books. Some of the comments at Mountain News he has allowed lately support a goal of forcing Dropzone to close down this entire thread, as a result of the porno attacks. 

You can call my response to this unfair if you wish, and I'm sure some of you will come out of the woodwork at YouTube about it. But here's the thing...when YouTube users click on the link...they will realize real quick who is telling the truth, and who is the phony regarding this particular issue. 

You might call it vindictive. I call it justice. Bruce has the mistaken idea that he can allow anything he wishes, tacitly support attacks to the DZ forum, and that he will not be revealed for doing this. Brother, I never take a thing lying down that I judge to be both personal and unfair, especially from a guy who claims his morals and approach to the case are somehow above others. That may have been true at one time, but not lately. B)

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Due to the Covid outbreak, we canceled our Spring DB Cooper Campout. Another one is *tentatively* scheduled for the second weekend of August. AB staff is hoping that by that time, the Covid-19 crisis will have passed for the most part, and life in America will return to some semblance of normal. 

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I want people reading this to understand a few things, and how THIS campout will be different from the others. There has been a lot of loose talk on how we got no attendance, or that I beg people to come...the usual Cooperland baloney. Here is the straight up on all that:

  • All of the previous events were well-attended, at least by my standards. (Usually 20-25 folks ended up showing) After the first one, often some of the same people showed up for the next one. We started building a contact list at these events, asking attendees for their email addresses so we could contact them when another one was to be scheduled. 
  • The only one where we did a crash and burn was the one held near Mt. Hood, Oregon. It was a mistake to ask people who had attended before to drive 250 miles from Puget Sound, where most of them originated, when they were asked before to just come to areas near the Skokomish River in the Olympics, which is no more than an hour or so from Seattle. Less than ten people showed for that one. 

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  • Attendance will be completely open this time. On the other campouts, we would put up notices at Facebook, Twitter, WordPress and the like, and people would email or call us...then we would send them the map and all the information. THIS time, we're running a Craigslist event notice. This means I have absolutely NO idea how many will show up. 
  • This will be the FINAL Cooper Campout sponsored by Adventure Books of Seattle. We will be moving from Washington state not long afterward. 
  • Because we don't know how many people will show, and because Craigslist doesn't allow you to put restrictions of almost any kind on Event Notices...there will be NO FREE BBQ this time for attendees. That's the BAD news. 
  • The GOOD news is that we will still provide a Weber BBQ, the bath/shower tent, public shelter galore, power sources for anything you want to run, and a couple of big-screen TV/DVD displays. You can run movies, video game systems, charge your devices, well...pretty much anything you can do at home. Generally, we select spots where your smartphone will get signal, so you can still get internet. One guy 'tethered' his smartphone and hooked it to his laptop and got internet access that way. That was pretty cool, but you should have unlimited data if you decide to do that one. It eats data heavily. 

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  • EVERYONE attending will be responsible for providing their own food, drink, and sleeping arrangements. As usual, we do provide a public area under shelter for day and evening use. It's where we keep the entertainment. Usually, we set up the Samsung smart TV in there, and put the ten-foot screen and the media projector outside in a more open area. 
  • If you decide to go target shooting, you must leave the campsite to do this. No shooting within a thousand yards of the campsite. Forest Service rules anyway. No worries, though. It is legal to target shoot in the National Forest. The three Big Rules are these: No shooting anywhere near organized camping, no shooting across bodies of water, trails, or roads. You must use a good backstop. The usual deal on these campouts is that some people hop into a vehicle or two and go look for a safe spot. There are plenty of them. 

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  • We are NOT decided yet on WHERE this final Cooper Campout will be held. Some folks have already cast their vote to hold it north of Mt Rainier, in the spot shown above in the picture. We have not done a group campout in this spot yet, but it sounds tempting. The picture was shot by me some years ago when I camped in this spot. Nice views from there. 
  • Anyone who wants to show up early to help us set up the big tarps, the movie screen, the bathhouse, etc is welcome to do so. You get some nice perks for volunteering. Greg the Techie Guy, or someone from the Nissan support forum usually comes along a day early to help with these things, but we can always use more help. 
  • The campout will run Friday through Monday morning. Not everyone stays for the whole thing, though. Many do leave for home on Sunday, and don't actually show to the site until Friday night. We set up on THURSDAY, and pack it up on Monday morning. People usually start showing on Friday late morning, or that evening. 
  • If you get lost on the way there, there will be a cell number at the campsite you can call. If necessary, someone will come down to where you are and lead you back to the campsite. No worries, though. We mark the route very well, and provide a map you can follow easily. 
  • NO MOTOR HOMES OR TRAILERS ARE ALLOWED! You will be turned away if you bring one. We don't have room for them. Trucks with campers are fine. Camper vans are fine. Most people just sleep in their vehicles, or pitch tents. 

I will link out the Craigslist Event Notice two weeks prior to the campout. If you would like to get on a mailing list that keeps you informed on this event, just drop an email to adventurebooksofseattle AT Gmail and I will be happy to do so. 

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On 4/17/2020 at 8:56 AM, FLYJACK said:

Found a bill that matches a Cooper serial number..  

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unfortunately it is a "1" Dollar bill not a twenty, I did not realize the same numbers were repeated on different denominations..

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The BEP can answer all your questions about this. (Bureau of Engraving and Printing) They have a whole page dedicated to the purpose of serial numbers and how they are used. 

Back in 2009, when dinosaurs still roamed the Earth, I talked to a senior BEP employee on the phone who told me that the FBI's claim that the Federal Reserve Banks and the BEP were searching against the Cooper bill list for years after the hijacking was well...not true. To be fair, the guy I interviewed had not started working at the BEP at the time of the hijacking, but he HAD been with BEP since about 1978. He was made aware of Himmelsbach's claim that the FRB's (Federal Reserve Banks) and the BEP had kept looking for the bills. He said not a chance, and gave a couple of reasons. 

I've decided to re-open this issue with them, (I would like a second source) and sent them the following message yesterday afternoon:

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Hi,
This is Robert Blevins from Adventure Books of Seattle and I have a question for the BEP. On November 24, 1971 the famous skyjacker 'D.B. Cooper' was given 10,000 twenty-dollar bills in a ransom package and to date, none of these bills have turned up publicly. The one exception was a bundle of the ransom cash discovered on the banks of the Columbia River in Washington state in January 1980. The serial numbers for all these bills had been previously recorded and a 32-page list of these numbers was provided to all FRB's, the BEP in Washington, DC and most local Northwest banks. Tellers were asked to check all their incoming twenties against the list. This effort went on for no more than six months after the date of the hijacking, and then was abandoned, at least with the civilian banks. 

My question is this:  It has been claimed by several sources that this bill search went on with the BEP and all FRB's for at least a dozen years after the hijacking. Knowing that the BEP receives quite a few bills each week, and that the FRB's go through much currency each week...I ask if this years-long search actually happened after the Cooper hijacking. It does not sound reasonable that this kind of search would have gone on for so long. 

Sincerely,
Robert Blevins
(Co-author of the book, Into The Blast - The True Story of D.B. Cooper.)

*Due to the stay-at-home stuff going on right now, I don't expect an immediate answer, but the BEP is pretty good at answering inquiries. I will post up their answer if and when it ever arrives.*

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Seen posted yesterday by Eric Ulis over at the DB Cooper Forum:

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'Why he (Cooper) wanted 200K? Who knows. Probably some guy out of work with no real prospects on the horizon...especially as a middle-aged guy and especially if he had formerly worked in the aerospace sector which was in an economic collapse at the time.

The much more intriguing thing to consider is whether the money was spent. If it wasn't, where is it today?'

 

I could point out the obvious, but the collapse of Boeing that happened right around the hijacking had a ripple effect that put literally tons of people out of work, or on reduced schedules/pay all over Puget Sound. Cooper may have been associated with building planes in Seattle, or he could have been an employee of one of the scores of companies who lost their parts and/or supply-to-Boeing contracts. He could even have worked for an airline, as I have proposed. No one really knows. 

However...there isn't a lot of question in my mind on 'what happened to the money'. It was SPENT. Now how do you get away with that without being caught? Easy answer, which EU obviously missed in his research, but I did not:

FBI agent Larry Carr, in his radio interview from 2008 or so with Steven Rinehart, heard HERE, admits that virtually all banks gave up the search for the bills within three to six months after the hijacking. This means you could safely spend the money, or even deposit it to a bank account, after that time without getting caught. (Approximately April 1972 or a little later.) The only way you could be caught is if you walked onto a car lot with a boatload of twenties in your pocket, or exceeded the amount for a bank deposit that requires the bank(s) to report that deposit to the IRS. 

Ralph Himmelsbach claimed for years that all 12 Federal Reserve banks continued to search for the bills against incoming twenties for years, as well as doing the same thing at the Bureau of Printing and Engraving (*BEP*). This turns out to be a falsehood, at least from what I could discover. As some of you know, I interviewed (by phone) a senior official at the BEP in Washington, DC during our main investigation into the case. This official, who called my office in person, told me in no uncertain terms that what Himmelsbach claimed was false. This official had been working at the BEP since 1980, (28 years at the time) and called baloney on HImmelsbach's claim. 

What he actually said to me was this: The BEP receives literally truckloads of used and damaged currency per week. Any effort to search through all of that by scanning all their twenties and trying to match them to a certain set of serial numbers would not have gone on for long. Maybe a few days, maybe a week or two at most....and he doubted it was even tried at all...at least at the BEP. He said the nature of the job itself was ridiculous. When I asked him about the Federal banks, he said they *may* have checked their incoming twenties, but that it probably went on for an even shorter time than the civilian banks and casinos tried it. (three to six months at best) I pointed out that the FBI had ORDERED this search to be done, and his response was that no matter what the FBI had ordered or wanted, such an order would basically have been ignored. He actually laughed at the order, and said that although he had not started working at the BEP until nine years after the hijacking, he was sure employees at both the BEP and the FRB's, (Federal Reserve Banks) would have laughed at such an order. The FRB's also handle tons of US currency each day, coming in, going out, whatever.

In other words, you may as well ask people to search through white beach sand and try to find all the off-white grains. 

So if no one is actually looking for the money...then you won't find it. And if the ransom bills eventually go into circulation and no one is looking for them...and they eventually become worn out after a number of years...and all that happens is they eventually end up at the BEP...and are destroyed. This is why the money was never found. 

The poor tellers assigned to this job of looking for certain twenties against that 30+ page list must have hated the job. The fact that they tried it for up to six months says they must have wanted to keep their jobs. Or whatever. But I am sure they were glad when their superiors finally said, "ENOUGH!" and they went back to business as usual. 

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Don't know if it's because people are concerned about Coronavirus, or that discussion on the Cooper case is falling by the wayside...

But so far this week....

I have posted about a major Cooper event coming at the end of summer. 
A very sensible answer on WHY the Cooper money never turned up in circulation.
A pointed inquiry to the Bureau of Printing and Engraving regarding the possible search for the bills after the crime. 

And not a single comment of encouragement or interest in any of those things.

Meanwhile, (back at the ranch) I see more nasty comments from the Peanut Gallery at Bruce Smith's Mountain News. Their latest baloney (after insulting me to no end) is that they want me to post the pictures and possible identities of previous attendees of AB-sponsored Cooper Campouts. LOL...are these people completely nuts? Otherwise, (they say) they will call me a liar. 

Well, go ahead and do that, since you have done that many times before anyway. Old news. Yes...I should just enable these people to go after Friends of Adventure Books (mailing list) as they do me personally. The heck with you bozos. After the first campout, I warned people that we would take pictures and do some video on these things, but generally would not make them public, and if they were smart, they would be careful and only share their own photo memories with their friends, and not publicly on Facebook. I warned them what could happen, and a couple of times I linked them to examples of your negative behavior and juvenile attacks. I suppose if you hit Google or Facebook or Instagram hard enough, you could find something, but I'm certainly not directing you to any of them...so that you can go after these people as well. A few of them are personal friends, and I'm not enabling your negative behavior by making it easy for you. You can come after me all you want, but I'm not helping you come after some nice people...as you certainly would if you had the chance. Get real. 

I didn't just drop off the apple cart last Tuesday. 

And by the way Peanut Gallery...Greg the Techie Guy is of the opinion that at least ONE of you over there is actually Bruce Smith posting under a different name. His guess is that the user known as Gypsy 23 is actually Bruce, and he emailed me his reasons why. Can't say it's true, but he gave some good reasons. One of them was matching up known phrases used by Bruce at The DB Cooper Forum to similar ones used by Gypsy 23. Interesting, but I really don't care if it's true or not. I do know that Bruce continues to allow the most ridiculous and hateful rhetoric imaginable...much of it full of outright lies...and that tells us something right there. He must have a reason for doing this. Jealousy, hatred, nothing else to do, who knows? 

You don't deserve to be treated respectfully, because of your engagement in hatred and anonymous attacks. You want to snipe from behind a rock? Stay UNDER that rock. B) It is exactly where you belong. 

If you want pictures, if you want to know what goes on at these events...get off your dead butts and come to one sometime. Next one is in August, unless the Corona problem is still going heavy.

Otherwise, quit whining. You assume I actually CARE whether you 'believe me or not'. You're just the Peanut Gallery, the home of the nasty Cooper-related comments, and contribute exactly ZERO to anything in the case, or any public events that may surround it. You are a non-factor. 

You want pictures? Okay. Here's a few for you. (*laughs*)

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Seen posted recently by user Georger at the DB Cooper Forum: (some spelling corrections added)

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'Everything is relative. I have no problem with people who make cars, refrigerators, and Hemingway.  They make real things. They don't ask to be worshiped!

Robert Blevins and company is something else entirely!

I grew up under a guy named Adolf Hitler, so I'm thin skinned when it comes to liars, con men, and windbags who seize control with the approval of hypocrites.

Which would you rather have your children being taught? Mein Kampf or Wentworth-Smith's text on Arithmetic ? 

Why do I have to join and cheer a Party and its leader in order to study a flight path or the history of Tosaw's work on the Columbia? I just don't see the connection!"

I'm not sure what Georger is trying to say here, but I can assure anyone reading this now that I am not anything like the little corporal who ended up murdering millions of innocent people. Neither am I a con man, nor do I hang out with hypocrites, whom I despise probably as much as Georger. A windbag? Eh...maybe. B)

Let me tell you something Georger, since I know you are a regular visitor here. I make real things. I have edited over fifty books in my career and written several more...only one of which concerns the Cooper case. I get up each day and go to work, put my pants on one leg at a time like anyone else. I am a US Army veteran, which is one of the reasons I have to object to your Hitler reference. 

Your current discussion over at the DB Cooper Forum also has to do with the Josh Gates' TV show, Expedition Unknown. It's being wondered WHY that show had no interest in doing a second episode on Cooper, after you and some of your friends made inquiries to the producers of the show. I don't know for sure, but I can take some damn good guesses at why. 

  • Because you practice exclusion, and participate in hateful comments about other people involved in the Cooper case, and the producers realize that. They read ALL the Cooper stuff, not just Shutter's forum. They've seen the comments at Mountain News, the 50+ WordPress articles I've done myself, (some of which discuss these things) as well as Dropzone. 
     
  • Because they know that despite your negative posts and attitudes about our participation in the LAST episode, they also know we went to the wall for them, and made it possible for them to shoot the segment at the Ariel Store. This segment, I was told by both Josh and some of the crew, was the most fun they had doing that particular episode of the show. They were impressed by the fact that AB of Seattle did these fundraising things and a party at the Ariel Store, made them all work, and we refused to allow the show to give us credit for any of it. We stayed in the background. We were not looking to 'con' ANYONE.
     
  • It is almost a certainty that some members of the Cooper forum...when they approached producers on a second episode...could not help but toss some of the usual 'digs' at AB of Seattle or myself personally...which would not have impressed the Gates show producers a bit. In fact, it would have put them off a great deal. This is because there is a reality here, and the reality is that we worked with the producers very heavily during the first episode, and they liked everything we did for that show. You can send all the negative emails about somebody you wish, in an effort to discredit...but when the people you do this with meet us in person...see that we put our money and our sweat where our mouths are...then your efforts are seen as nothing more than jealousy and juvenile. There is the online stuff, and then there is the in-person stuff. People tend to be more impressed with the in-person. 
     
  • The one big lesson you guys at the Cooper Forum haven't figured out yet:  You refuse to believe that exclusion and backstabbing others has the exact opposite effect you intended. You put yourselves on a pedestal, trying to establish yourselves as the One and Only American Family Band on DB Cooper. But then you also supported the negativity as well, which makes you no longer legitimate in the eyes of TV producers, who really don't care for that sort of thing. That is a business with sponsors, with goals and expectations, and in-house bickering or posturing does not impress them. 
     
  • These things are part of the reason, but not all, you were bypassed initially for participation in the first-ever, dramatic feature film to be done on Cooper. However, you were still offered the opportunity to participate, but your hatred would not allow you to accept that yes...little old ME...and our tiny nothing trade company AB of Seattle...would be chosen over your group at The DB Cooper Forum...supposedly the 'IT' website on Cooper with all the experts. But you cannot work with people over there. You cannot stop trashing others, or supporting attacks on others. You have gotten a bad reputation, whether you realize it or not. When you finally get your heads removed from your behinds, let me know. 
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