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7 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Wow...Dropzone is getting faster, and BETTER, at deleting the spammer. I had just put him on the ignore list again, and then he was gone. 

Just a reminder...if you want to know who is supporting these juvenile attacks on the DZ thread, it is someone who hangs out at Bruce Smith's Mountain News...and SUPPORTED online by Bruce Smith. Don't believe that?

Go look for yourself, folks. Then start reading the comments going UP. 

Bruce actually wrote a book on the Cooper case, and has appeared at conventions. But he has gone renegade and straight to the gutter. First, he's caught lying about the final Cooper Party ever held at the Ariel Store. Then he goes off the deep end and supports hatred and online attacks on his own website.

He's finally become a full-blown victim of the Vortex, and so desperate for comments to his blog, he will take anything...even if it destroys his own credibility. 

I have no sympathy for the guy. AT ALL. 

Robert: The spammer has nothing to do with Bruce.  Anyone interested in the case can go to any of the websites like Mountain News or the Cooper Forum.  Just because they are on those sites does not mean they support everything that goes on.

Calm down.  Bruce's credibility is doing just fine.

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4 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Robert: The spammer has nothing to do with Bruce.  Anyone interested in the case can go to any of the websites like Mountain News or the Cooper Forum.  Just because they are on those sites does not mean they support everything that goes on.

Calm down.  Bruce's credibility is doing just fine.

Really? I should support posts like the ones appearing on Bruce's site...let people post that ugly stuff...make happy-happy references to gay porn being posted here at DZ under multiple and false identities...and do this at Adventure Books of Seattle dot com and see how people react to it. It wouldn't be a happy thing for me. 

THAT is why I screen ALL comments to my WordPress and YouTube videos. Not because some of the comments disagree with my views. Because it would soon turn into the Mountain News. People can play it straight with me, or they get ignored and their comments do not appear on my websites. 

Anyone who supports this kind of internet nut-job stuff...while saying he DOESN'T...their credibility is shit. The only reason I don't quote over the comments appearing on Bruce's site and do a tough article at WordPress about him...is because I don't want to give him the attention. He obviously needs the attention, because negative attention is better than no attention at all. Imagine if some media type was researching out Bruce for something important in the case, and they stumble upon those comments he allows. They wouldn't be impressed. 

He no longer controls his own website. The haters and the spammers do. It now belongs to them. 

 

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21 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

The only reason I don't quote over the comments appearing on Bruce's site and do a tough article at WordPress about him...is because

 

22 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I should

 

23 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

ignore their comments

 

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I mostly do ignore the comments. However, the point is that if you put yourself up to others as having a legit news site, and are supposedly one of the largest figures investigating the Cooper case...

To allow those sorts of things to appear on your own website...where you host local news and articles about Cooper...

Proves you neither host a legit news site, or are to be taken seriously as a Cooper investigator by either media or the general public. 

If Bruce Smith had accepted the offer made by the production companies to do historical fact-checking on the upcoming Cooper movie, the producers...had they seen these things at his site, would have requested he take them down. If he had refused, they would have canceled his contract. Not that this really matters now, but they would have. 

To me, Bruce is a petulant boy who is acting like his mother turned him down for a cookie from the cookie jar. He's pissed off for two reasons. First is because he didn't believe there WAS an offer, but Mr Brain Dead didn't even ask to see the contract. When he refused to come on board, he really believed that. By the time he figured out I WASN'T lying to him about the offer...it was too late. And although he will never admit it, he probably wishes now he had taken the money. 

The SECOND reason he's pissed is because I called him out on his pack of lies regarding the final party held at the Ariel Store. It is not my fault he chose to go the lying route. It is his. He should grow up a bit. 

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3 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I have to go to Springfield, OR this weekend on business. Should I stop in and try to talk to Tina Mucklow? She lives there. 

Just kidding. I never do interviews with people unless they are arranged first...and with their permission. Nice thought, though.

Good idea,,

Ask Tina what was in her coat left pocket?

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18 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

THAT is why I screen ALL comments to my WordPress and YouTube videos. Not because some of the comments disagree with my views. Because it would soon turn into the Mountain News. People can play it straight with me, or they get ignored and their comments do not appear on my websites. 

 

 

You do not allow comments that disagree with your assertion that Kenny C was Cooper. Period. I know.

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8 hours ago, ParrotheadVol said:

You do not allow comments that disagree with your assertion that Kenny C was Cooper. Period. I know.

Absolutely NOT true. Nada, not a chance, negatory, without merit, ain't happening. 

When I first started up the YouTube channel and the WordPress, it wasn't even TWO days before comments started appearing like the ones you see more recently at Bruce Smith's Mountain News. Now all comments are screened for civility. Not whether someone does or does not believe KC was the hijacker. If someone wants to post a polite and reasonable content, I will allow it through. Problem is...most of Cooperland will not do that unless they are FORCED to do it. This is not my problem, but a personal problem by the commenter(s). They think EVERY site on the internet about Cooper is like Bruce Smith's...allowing all kinds of crap.

Not me. I have STANDARDS, my friend. 

There haven't been many submissions for comments lately anyway. Nothing in the last month, but then I don't visit my own channel very much these days. It is what it is and no new videos are planned until summer at least. Maybe not even then. 

Let's deal in reality here. Do you actually BELIEVE that if I were to allow unrestricted commenting to my WordPress or YouTube....that people would actually BE reasonable?

You have GOT to be kidding. B)

I don't actively seek internet traffic by allowing any old crazy shit to appear...like Bruce does. I'm not that desperate for 'attention at any cost'. 

Besides...if you don't think we're right about KC and Geestman, and have an opinion on it one way or another, there is no need to do it at YouTube, although you can. You will get a more personal response at Dropzone, or as most other people do...just email me your comment or question. I get those about a dozen times in a typical month. Most of the people...I don't even know who they are. 

As far as YouTube, many users there don't allow ANY comments to their videos. I fall in the middle. 

EDIT: Yes, I am going to Oregon this weekend on business. No...I won't be dropping by Tina's place unannounced. I don't work that way, but it was a tempting thought. She wouldn't speak to me any faster than she would speak to anyone else. She wouldn't even talk to Geoff Gray, and he made arrangements first. I think she's done talking about her experiences. I was surprised they got her to appear on DB Cooper - Case Closed. When she watches the show later, after all her trouble to help them...they hint she's too old, maybe getting a little senile, etc because she refused to ID their suspect. I'm sure she decided right then and there she was done with the media and the investigators. A few years ago I did send her sister and the ex-FBI agent husband a big package of pictures, a copy of the KC report, and a cover letter. They didn't send it back, but they never contacted me about it either. I will leave it at that. I told them 'maybe someday she (Tina) might be willing to look? But I'm not holding my breath on that. 

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Ask Tina what was in her coat left pocket?

She is not carrying a purse. Maybe it's her pocketbook. 

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Not 'in a typical week', MONTH. (At one time that was right, but has slowed down over the years.) Corrected, my bad.

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Speaking of videos and comments, the toughest one I ever did was non-Cooper. First time using my Sony HDR SR-11. And it was a whopping 96 degrees and humid outside. I damn near dropped dead from sunstroke, but I had a job with the festival to record everything I could. So I did it. 

 

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I'm going to recommend a movie if you haven't seen it:  The Big Short. Does a very good with the story of the subprime crisis. Brad Pitt is good in this one, as well as everybody else who appears. 

Here is a quote from the film, which I think (in some ways) relates to the Cooper case:

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"Truth is like poetry. And most people fu&$!ng hate poetry."

I see in the second picture that Tina is packing a purse. But if anyone tries to sell me on the idea that Tina actually pocketed some of the ransom money, they are wasting their time. Tina was not only a Jesus Saves Bible-thumper who occasionally proselytized other crew members at NWA, she's never done a dishonest thing in her life as far as anyone can determine. And trying to pocket some of the stolen money, and then have to face the FBI's questions later regarding the hijacking, would have been supremely stupid on her part. It would have ended her career, as well as possible jail time.

I will assume this is what you meant when you asked me to look at her pocket. You have (maybe) a slight bulge, a glitch in the picture, a handkerchief...who the heck knows? But you don't have an X-ray machine to take a look.  

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Really? 
MORE threats from Bruce Smith's Mountain News Peanut Gallery of Anonymous Cooper Fans?

The first time was when threatening comments were allowed about accosting people coming to the DB Cooper Campout near Mt. Hood, Oregon. After I published the schedule and the meetup spot. We had to change that because of Mountain News. 

The SECOND time was about my upcoming business trip to Springfield, Oregon. You guys have something against Oregon? I hope not. My sister was born there, and I spent many years in Portland and Roseburg. I have also seen Gayla mentioned in these things. 

People can say whatever they wish about me personally. The moment they cross the line with threats, well...you figure it out. That's against the law. We know what to do about threats. It's non-kosher, bad form, and makes many people in Cooperland look foolish for not speaking out against it. 

No worries. We will do it for you.  

 

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11 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I'm going to recommend a movie if you haven't seen it:  The Big Short. Does a very good with the story of the subprime crisis. Brad Pitt is good in this one, as well as everybody else who appears. 

Here is a quote from the film, which I think (in some ways) relates to the Cooper case:

I see in the second picture that Tina is packing a purse. But if anyone tries to sell me on the idea that Tina actually pocketed some of the ransom money, they are wasting their time. Tina was not only a Jesus Saves Bible-thumper who occasionally proselytized other crew members at NWA, she's never done a dishonest thing in her life as far as anyone can determine. And trying to pocket some of the stolen money, and then have to face the FBI's questions later regarding the hijacking, would have been supremely stupid on her part. It would have ended her career, as well as possible jail time.

I will assume this is what you meant when you asked me to look at her pocket. You have (maybe) a slight bulge, a glitch in the picture, a handkerchief...who the heck knows? But you don't have an X-ray machine to take a look.  

People do crazy things... never assume you know what somebody would do or not do, she did ask for some ransom money and handled it. Tina handled the only known money to be separated from the ransom,,, until TBAR.

I am sure she has a good explanation for the bulge in her coat pocket that looks like packets of money.

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Flyjack: What are you seeing in terms of a bulge? Where is it?  I go back and forth on whether Cooper had help, or if somewhere along the line there was money changing hands.  I could argue both sides, but do not have proof either way.  People in their 20's do stupid things sometimes.  If we found out for sure that a stew got money, or even helped in some way, I would not be surprised, but I also would not be surprised if it was a solo job.

Robert: You have done some research on other hijackings.  Did the FBI or law enforcement question all passengers, crew, maintenance workers, etc. in all of those?

I wonder if the FBI assumed that this would be solved quickly, and therefore it was not economical or logical to go down into the weeds of everything.  In their shoes, I would have focused on catching the guy right there and then, and may not have taken the time to do more detailed work.  If you know you'll catch him soon, why go through all the hassle?

I personally would like to see pictures of every passenger, and worker involved in that flight.  Names, place of birth, etc.  Not that it would necessarily help right now, but someday if this is solved or we have a good suspect, there will be an opportunity to see if we can really tie things back.

Himmelsbach put the crew above suspicion.  That does not seem to be the standard procedure in a crime now.  A bank robbery investigation would likely look at the employees first.

 

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2 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Flyjack: What are you seeing in terms of a bulge? Where is it?  I go back and forth on whether Cooper had help, or if somewhere along the line there was money changing hands.  I could argue both sides, but do not have proof either way.  People in their 20's do stupid things sometimes.  If we found out for sure that a stew got money, or even helped in some way, I would not be surprised, but I also would not be surprised if it was a solo job.

Robert: You have done some research on other hijackings.  Did the FBI or law enforcement question all passengers, crew, maintenance workers, etc. in all of those?

I wonder if the FBI assumed that this would be solved quickly, and therefore it was not economical or logical to go down into the weeds of everything.  In their shoes, I would have focused on catching the guy right there and then, and may not have taken the time to do more detailed work.  If you know you'll catch him soon, why go through all the hassle?

I personally would like to see pictures of every passenger, and worker involved in that flight.  Names, place of birth, etc.  Not that it would necessarily help right now, but someday if this is solved or we have a good suspect, there will be an opportunity to see if we can really tie things back.

Himmelsbach put the crew above suspicion.  That does not seem to be the standard procedure in a crime now.  A bank robbery investigation would likely look at the employees first.

 

Coat, deep left front pocket,, she has her hand in there in one pic and a bulge in the other pic.. a money packet is 0.5" thick.

I don't think that any of the crew was "involved" in the hijacking. 

I am just exploring a theory,,,  that Tina didn't return the money to Cooper and kept it, she or somebody close to her discarded it into the Columbia R around 1978/79 when she resided several miles upstream of TBAR.. money washed up on TBAR. There would have been nothing wrong with taking the money from Cooper, it has happened in other hijackings.. but it was returned. Maybe, it just never came up..

Everyone just accepted Tina's story about returning the money, to me it sounds sketchy. Only two people know the truth, Cooper and Tina. Today, the FBI would never just accept that story.. back then they put Tina on a pedestal and used her testimony to guide the case, big mistake if she was compromised.

 

BTW: I am super excited to have resolved a 45 year old mystery, not Cooper but another case I have been working on. The affected parties are trying to find an equitable resolution.. At some point it will probably make the news. This one is really cool...

 

 

 

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No Georger, pay attention,,,  maybe, you might solve something.

You got the timeline completely screwed up before when I laid it out earlier.

The evidence indicates the other stews were OFFERED ransom money (packets) much later as they left.. not that they took it..

Cooper was alone with Tina for some time.. when she took the money and claimed to return it and after the other stews left the plane.

 

BTW,, Tina claimed she handed back the money claiming it was against company policy,, then later Cooper offered the other stews ransom money and all of them a measly tip, if Tina told Cooper no gratuities then why did he offer it again.

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Let's count Georger's lies, he is incapable of reason so he always resorts to lies..

 

per Georger..

The FLYJACK Tina/Cooper Money Theory:

* Tina and Cooper were lovers. Met when Cooper was a janitor in Tina's high school back in Pennsylvania. LIE
* Tina responsible for the money plant at Tina Bar. LIE
* Tina was given money by Cooper on the plane  TRUE - evidence is bulging pocket in Tina's coat pocket seen in post high jacking photo at Reno. MAYBE, there is other evidence
* Tina knows the fate of DB Cooper due to her personal relationship with him. LIE
* Tina was co-conspirator with Dan Cooper in the Cooper skyjacking. LIE
* Tina confided to Rataczak and FBI she and Dan Cooper had a prior relationship. LIE
* FBI knows Tina was co-conspirator in the DB Cooper hijacking. LIE

There will be more Tina Mucklow - Frederick Wm Hahneman (DB Cooper) revelations. Presented by the famous crime solver expert: FLYJACK aka BULLJAX.  LIE

 

Lies, lies, lies...  why does Shutter put up with your crap... you are toxic to his forum and the case in general. 

 

Seven lies out of eight claims...  over a decade into the Cooper case and you've got nothing, accomplished nada.. but stale case knowledge (you can't even get the facts straight) and lies to protect your fragile ego.. 

 

 

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UNSURELOCK,,

Contrary to Shutter's BS assertion, I am not the spammer..

Now Shutter is just making up stuff.. They could have pointed out the relevant facts below but chose to lie instead.

 

One of the stews thought Cooper was wearing prescription sunglasses.

Of course Hahneman wore prescription glasses and used dark PLASTIC RIMMED sunglasses for his hijacking..

 

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Flyjack: You are not the spammer. I am not the spammer. (Yeah...the Peanut Gallery has said maybe it's me as well.) I don't know who he is, but you can tell there is a relationship between some of the comments appearing at Bruce's website, and the appearance of the spammer, who has hit this site twelve times now under a dozen different names. 

Doesn't matter. Like the others, I just do insta-hit on the Ignore function with him and all his posts disappear like magic. 

Whoever he is, he hangs out both at Bruce's place, and at Dropzone. I am almost sure of it. Other than that, I have no idea on him and frankly...just don't care. The Ignore button works with him and that's good enough for me. 

He must have 'issues' as they say. Doesn't even try to present a case. Just spams pictures. Kiddie stuff for sure. The usual troll behavior. 

I think his main goal is to get the admins at DZ to close this thread. I can't see any other purpose that makes sense. If that is the case, then Shutter should start looking to his own membership at the Cooper Forum. No other place would stand to benefit if the DZ closed the thread. Shutter would like nothing better to once again become the Sole and Only Well-Controlled Website on the Cooper case. There is evidence to support that, too. When the DZ re-opened this thread, some members of Shutter's site made harsh comments about that action. Said they shouldn't reopen. Said it should be closed. So someone is TRYING to do that.

The spammer didn't just come out of nowhere and go to the trouble of creating (so far) a dozen different identities without a GOAL. His goal is the closure of the DZ Cooper thread. That's obvious. And the only people who might do that is a member of Shutter's site. Like I said, no one else really stands to gain. No one else stands to benefit. No one else would be motivated enough to try. 

I don't believe it is Bruce Smith, either. He wouldn't bother with all that. He may be this and that, and a bit foolish occasionally, but this behavior is not his style. It's a member of Shutter's forum somewhere, and the spammer probably posts to the Mountain News as well. I know that doesn't narrow it down much, but that's all I can tell you. Between Shutter and Bruce, they might be able to narrow down the suspect pool (*laughs*) by comparing IP addresses. Every time you make a post to WordPress, (Bruce's host) even if you use a phony email and name, your IP ALWAYS appears in comments. The most likely suspect could be a person making the nasty posts at Bruce's site, whose IP also appears as a member of the Cooper Forum. 

Another factor is that since the DZ thread re-opened, Bruce has not made a single post here as far as I know. That's weird, because when it was open, he was a HEAVY contributor for years. It's possible Bruce knows who the spammer is, but because he only posts to Shutter's site now...a place that is well-controlled on content and membership...he might not care if the DZ place was closed. 

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41 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

the spammer

I thought it was Derek. He always starts with pictures of Klansnic. Of all the degenerate crap he posts, I wish he'd repost that picture of the Ruby-Oswald Punk Band. That was actually funny.

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49 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

I thought it was Derek. He always starts with pictures of Klansnic. Of all the degenerate crap he posts, I wish he'd repost that picture of the Ruby-Oswald Punk Band. That was actually funny.

I think you are right. That picture? Yes, it was funny. I put it on Facebook once. Yeah...I forgot about Derek. I hope he isn't a member of the Cooper Forum, but he is undoubtedly one of the Peanut Gallery posters at the Mountain News. B) I figured either he or Georger was that bat-shit crazy 'Johnnie Greene'. (*It's coming back to me now*) Come to think of it, I remember sending Derek a private message after the first or second time he started spamming. I told him he wasn't going to convince anyone that Klansnic was Cooper with that approach. He did read the message. PM's will show whether the recipient opened the message, and the time/date they did. Guess my advice didn't work. B)

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I figured it out,,

 

It is the Cooper Vortex, it drives people insane.. they abandon all reason and humanity. 

 

Shutter just said that making intentionally false claims is not lying.. huh, what..

 

Once the Vortex gets you,, there is no return. If you can get out now, run. It is world of crazy.. and it is coming for you.

Scientology has nothing on the power of the Vortex...

 

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Another spam attempt...another Hit The Ignore Button on him LOL. 

And Porteous' name is spelled with TWO 'p's, not ONE. B)

Really, Derek...you should just go back to Bruce Smith's Peanut Gallery and hang out there with the rest of the phonies. Nobody is seeing your posts anyway. Everyone just hits Ignore on you and your posts simply vanish from view. Technology is wonderful. 

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34 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Another spam attempt...another Hit The Ignore Button on him LOL. 

And Porteous' name is spelled with TWO 'p's, not ONE. B)

Really, Derek...you should just go back to Bruce Smith's Peanut Gallery and hang out there with the rest of the phonies. Nobody is seeing your posts anyway. Everyone just hits Ignore on you and your posts simply vanish from view. Technology is wonderful. 

Bump. To avoid the spammer. 

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