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57 minutes ago, EJU said:

I call you a troll because you are a troll. A bottom feeder. People don't need to put up with chumps like you.

This is a thread about DB Cooper. I call you on the carpet for trolling me for the 1000th time over the last six months and you immediately go to the gutter and try to slime me by calling me a domestic abuser. That makes you a troll.

Of course you're also not man enough to apologize, even though you conceded.

As far as whether such remarks a libelous or not, who the hell are you? Did you write the law? Do you know what it says? Do you know how to prove it or defend against it? Perhaps I should threaten you with a lawsuit--you know what that's like, right? SHUTTER and GEORGER ring a bell?

Amazing you get all butt-hurt over GEORGER but see nothing wrong with wrongfully libeling me a domestic abuser. Then you question why I get amped up about it? I think more than one person on this site wouldn't put up with such cheap shots, especially from a bottom-feeder like you.

TrollJack, you really are just plum stupid. Nonetheless, let me remind you, don't ever libel me again or I will have a friendly Ontario attorney crawl up your ass with a microscope.

Good grief, you still at it.. it wasn't libel, you are clueless. You need to get a lawyer and get schooled on the law. You just aren't good at this.

Don't call me a troll for a year then. All I did was set the facts straight that you had wrong about TBAR.. this is your MO, I state facts than you ignore, run and call me a troll.. then attack my character with smears.

This is a fact...

Police records and a newspaper claimed you were charged and attended a domestic violence program.

You call me a troll to distract... (and have no clue what libel is.)

this repeats over and over..

 

I can see you getting mad,, but frankly, it is your own fault.

"Hoist with his own petard" comes to mind

You kept attacking my character (like a troll), so I laid out the facts. I didn't make it up. I don't make up stuff like actual trolls.

 

I'd like to focus on the Cooper case, your faux libel claim and troll accusations have made for some neat highlights but are petty nonsense. You have shown the world your true character and it isn't pretty.

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Light7 said:

Those elements found on the tie didn’t come from the Amazon or Panama Canal buddy. I do have evidence Cooper worked at Boeing. I’m showing you DB Cooper at Boeing dumbass. 

Hahneman was an electronics engineer, he worked on contracts for NASA radar tracking and as a manager at an electronics (electron tubes and capacitors) manufacturing firm in Korea. 

There is no evidence Cooper worked at Boeing.

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3 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Good grief, you still at it.. it wasn't libel, you are clueless. You need to get a lawyer and get schooled on the law. You just aren't good at this.

Don't call me a troll for a year then. All I did was set the facts straight that you had wrong about TBAR.. this is your MO, I state facts than you ignore, run and call me a troll.. then attack my character with smears.

This is a fact...

Police records and a newspaper claimed you were charged and attended a domestic violence program.

You call me a troll to distract... (and have no clue what libel is.)

this repeats over and over..

 

I can see you getting mad,, but frankly, it is your own fault. You kept attacking my character (like a troll), so I laid out the facts. I didn't make it up. I don't make up stuff like others.

 

I'd like to focus on the Cooper case, your faux libel claim and troll accusations have made for some neat highlights but are petty nonsense. You have shown the world your true character and it isn't pretty.

 

 

How stupid can you possibly be? I mean, there you go again stating "police records" claimed I was charged. Do you know how to tell the truth? 

At this point I'm interpreting this as you taking me up on my $1000 wager. I'm sure any reasonable person reading your posts would see it the same way.

Therefore, unless you can come up with that proof mighty quickly you owe the charity of my choice $1000. You're not going to renege on this are you?

Let me make it easy for you William, send that check for $1000 to any animal charity in Canada. I'm an animal lover, especially cats, and I know there is always help needed. Please let us all know when you make that contribution.

As a good faith gesture, I will also send $1000 to an animal charity in Arizona...even though I cannot possibly lose the challenge because unlike you I know the truth.

Good doing business with you William.

Cheers!

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50 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

 

The docs are already posted..

Did you plead guilty to get into the domestic violence diversion program? I heard that is the way it is usually done there..

Is this you in Utah?,, booked on warrant for arrest for failure to appear.. county jail??

Same name, same age, same town,,,

I have never been booked for anything, tell us what happened?

Will it be all be explained in your D B Cooper program?

 

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I love it. An unabashed troll.

Yes indeed, that is me. I spent 2 hours in jail for not paying a speeding ticket--or showing up in court to challenge it. Yep a hardcore misdemeanor from 1989.

I would have never guessed that that episode would lead to so much enjoyment today. Watching you scramble and grasp at straws, anything to slime me, in an attempt to bring me down to your level. I understand, failure hurts. I understand, ignorance isn't actually bliss.

I very much appreciate you making yourself look like a fool. Unless, of course, you really think this event from 1989 is really likely to damage my reputation. What to do?

Well, you're going to have to do better then that TrollJack to get me off your back about owing $1000 per our deal.

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1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

 

The docs are already posted..

Did you plead guilty to get into the domestic violence diversion program? I heard that is the way it is usually done there..

Is this you in Utah?,, booked on warrant for arrest for failure to appear.. county jail??

Same name, same age, same town,,,

I have never been booked for anything, tell us what happened?

Will it be all be explained in your D B Cooper program?

 

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Oh, by the way, your charged question, "Did you plead guilty to get into the domestic violence diversion program?" The answer is NO.

You may as well do some more investigating here because you know next to nothing about the Cooper case and you should at least try to get out of donating $1000 even though it will be futile.

Don't forget about that $1K TrollJack. The animals will appreciate it much.

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6 minutes ago, EJU said:

Oh, by the way, your charged question, "Did you plead guilty to get into the domestic violence diversion program?" The answer is NO.

You may as well do some more investigating here because you know next to nothing about the Cooper case and you should at least try to get out of donating $1000 even though it will be futile.

Don't forget about that $1K TrollJack. The animals will appreciate it much.

So you finally admit you were in a domestic violence diversion program,, thanks, that is why you didn't sue the newspaper because it is true..

but back to Cooper, what do I have wrong in the Cooper case.. please enlighten me. I always want to learn more.

 

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Thinking about this, I actually think investigating me is probably a better use of your time.

After all, when you focus on DB Cooper you end up with nonsense like:

1) DB Cooper intended to fly to Mexico non-stop but changed his mind and decided to jump early.

2) DB Cooper landed in the Willamette River Valley area and the money magically floated down from there.

3) The money ended up in a dump along the Columbia River.

4) They actually delivered Cooper six parachutes and decided to mysteriously keep two of them secret.

and my personal favorite...

4) Tina Mucklow was involved.

Well done TrollJack. I'm sure a movie deal is just around the corner.

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Eric, I do not know you personally. (For that matter, I don't know Flyjack either.) I don't have an axe to grind either way. I'm not a Cooper researcher, I'm just an old skydiver who follows this thread because I've always been fascinated with the Cooper case. I used to read your posts and watch your videos, and found them interesting. I consider myself a logical man.

Looking OBJECTIVELY at what I've seen this evening...

I see a police/court document that in fact does show that you were charged with domestic violence.

It is reasonable to surmise that 'violence' is a form of 'abuse'. 

When people agree to diversion classes in exchange for charges being dropped, it is generally construed as a tacit admission of guilt.

I'm not a lawyer nor a judge, but I have heard more than one of them state that the truth is an absolute defense to libel.

I did not see Flyjack even once agree to or even acknowledge your wager.

 

So what's the deal? After a long absence, you and Derek show back up at the same time, spamming and stirring up crap.

Is this a coincidence?

 

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4 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

Eric, I do not know you personally. (For that matter, I don't know Flyjack either.) I don't have an axe to grind either way. I'm not a Cooper researcher, I'm just an old skydiver who follows this thread because I've always been fascinated with the Cooper case. I used to read your posts and watch your videos, and found them interesting. I consider myself a logical man.

Looking OBJECTIVELY at what I've seen this evening...

I see a police/court document that in fact does show that you were charged with domestic violence.

It is reasonable to surmise that 'violence' is a form of 'abuse'. 

When people agree to diversion classes in exchange for charges being dropped, it is generally construed as a tacit admission of guilt.

I'm not a lawyer nor a judge, but I have heard more than one of them state that the truth is an absolute defense to libel.

I did not see Flyjack even once agree to or even acknowledge, your wager.

 

So what's the deal? After a long absence, you and Derek show back up at the same time, spamming and stirring up crap.

Is this a coincidence?

 

I appreciate your comments.

Anyone who has read this thread has got to acknowledge that Fly and Blevins have had a field day trolling me over the last several months. Moreover, one can easily verify that I have not responded on this thread for several months. Yet the trolling continues and somehow this is my fault? Really?

I WAS NEVER CHARGED OR CONVICTED OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. NOR DID I EVER PLEAD GUILTY TO ANYTHING.

Yet, you listen to Fly and he bald face lies that I was involved with domestic abuse. This lie, of course, came from the very reliable Blevins. Name a single person who ever accused me of laying a finger on them.

If I were charged or convicted it stands to reason that there would be a court document pointing to a charge and/or conviction, right? Well where is it.

The Cooper sites have been run over by a few bad apples. By and large, I ignore it. But tonight, for whatever reason I decided to call one of the trolls out.

Dudeman17, you're entitled to let people libel you and talk shit about you all night if you so choose. That said, why should I be required to do the same?.

What do you call it when someone pops up with a 1989 newspaper clipping concerning an unpaid speeding ticket? Really? On a DB Cooper thread? Yet the problem is me?

As for Derek showing up on the same night, well, believe it or not, that's just pure coincidence.

Cheers!

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6 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

Not sure who's displaying less maturity right now - Derek or Eric.

Well, a criminal record doesn't necessarily mean someone is a bad guy, although it can point in that direction. Have I had a few scrapes with the cops?

HELL YES I HAVE. After I got out of the Army I was a regular hell-raiser baby. No drugs, nothing violent, nothing domestic or otherwise. But...I guess at a certain time in my life I thought it was okay to boondock stuff that didn't belong to me. At least occasionally, anyway. (*Boondock* is an old term I learned when I lived in the Philippines as a boy. It means STEALING STUFF lol.) For example, many years ago I found a credit card outside a store. Tried to use it and got caught the first time I did. Couple of other things here and there. I found out after a while I was much like that Elvis kid 'Tommy' in the movie The Shawshank Redemption. Tommy is bragging about getting caught stealing a TV out of an appliance shop.

Robbins ('Andy') tells him:

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"Perhaps it's time you considered a new profession. What I mean is, you don't seem to be a very good thief. Maybe you should try something else..." 

I guess it was kind of like that. I decided to try something else. Something HONEST...like working for a living and writing science fiction stories and novels. So picking on EU just because he's been arrested a time or two, or went to court on one charge or another here and there is irrelevant...unless he was picked up for scamming people on some famous criminal case. Like those two guys tried to do on the reporter from the old Seattle Flag paper years ago. That would be different. But he has not done that. 

EU had a charge or two up in King County Seattle Municipal back in the mid-90s...but I probably have more out of that court then HE does. B)We should compare records and see who won...or lost...depending on how you look at it. The last time I got in trouble was around 2007. The State of Washington, in their infinite wisdom, passed a retroactive law in 1996 that said anyone who had been in trouble prior to that date had their gun rights removed...statewide only...unless they went to court and got them restored by a judge. Problem was...they didn't tell all those people like me about it. And I hadn't been in trouble for well over twenty years at that point. MY court papers said I was fine and dandy with all the gun and civil rights stuff. La de da, la de da...I am picking up a gun once in a while at the local shop and filling out the Fed form like a good boy. 

This Forest Ranger finds me camping north of Mount Rainier out in the middle of nowhere. I am shooting this old 30/30 that only partially worked. You pulled down the lever and inserted the shells one at a time. It wouldn't feed from the tube. He runs my name on his Blackberry or whatever, (he was out of radio range) and it comes back I'm not supposed to own a gun in Washington. WTF? That can't be right. So he confiscates the rifle and gives me a citation, says he charging me felony for illegal possession. No arrest. He just drives away and tells me to expect a court date. SHIT. 

A few months later, I end up in court. My lawyer says the whole deal is wrong, but he's been handling cases like this ever since the 1996 retroactive law. "You'd think they would have told people, or at least sent out a notice, or put it on the news..." the lawyer says. I can fight it if I want. Probably won't win, though. So I plead guilty to a lesser charge and they let me off with a fine. I go and get another lawyer who appears alone in front of a judge, (I didn't have to even go to court) and I get gun rights restored. He charges me $1,400 and everything's been happy-happy ever since. The really WEIRD thing is that if I had lived almost anywhere except Washington state, this would never have happened because according to the Feds I was good to own many years back. But states can do their own 'thing' if they wish...and they did. That was 13 years ago and I haven't even gotten a speeding ticket since. 

There is no use in trying to hide your past these days. You can drop twenty or thirty bucks on any number of background services and they will tell you everything. After that 2007 incident, I paid the money to get my full record from the State Patrol. Boy I was kind of a bad boy for a while. Not REAL bad. Petty junk mostly...but they were somewhat harder on you back then (late 70's/early 80's) then they are now. I don't really give a darn whether EU has been in trouble. What I care about is being deceptive in the Cooper case TODAY...or lying about others anonymously on the internet...or bullshitting people to forward your own agenda, even if it hurts and disappoints others. Yes, I think he HAS done *some* of those things, the biggest one being his back-door activities regarding the second Cooper convention. 

That was really dumb of Eric, by the way. Instead of the few people who showed up to his (my opinion) rather boring program for $15 a pop...he could have been hosting an event Standing Room Only with some reasonably famous people. Eric didn't know it, but I had no plans to actually attend myself. It was not The Robert Show. I had to be in San Diego for Thanksgiving. My plan was to make sure the $1,000 in Amazon gift cards (for the lookalike contest) got delivered to the venue in Portland, (Mississippi Studios or Revolution Hall) and make sure that the guest stars showed up.

HE and Jim Brunberg, the owner of MI and a part-owner of Revolution Hall, were to run the whole shebang. And the Decoded cast wasn't showing up to tell people how guilty KC was. They were coming because the show still had tons of fans. The young Hollywood star coming to the event (I had a meeting with him at Dick's Drive In in Seattle) would absolutely have packed the house. I can't tell you who he is, but I will tell you that he is currently doing a part in a Broadway play, right NOW. Eric was scheduled to host the whole damn thing, and accepted this job...but at the time he DID, he was already planning the event in Vancouver and he knew that. So my question would be why did he accept the Portland job in the first place? I kind of knew he was working on another event anyway, so I also proposed that BOTH events could happen if we scheduled them a day apart, just in case there was a conflict of interest. 

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I already know the answer to why Eric did what he did, because I asked some of the people involved. He wanted to get rid of the Portland event so it wouldn't compete with the one he had planned. I was pretty angry when I found out he duped people like that...as well as getting some help from friends who started bad-mouthing me in emails to some of the folks involved in the Portland event, and who he later convinced to support the Vancouver event.

If EU had been smart, he would have pulled everyone together as he was asked to do, and stepped out there in front of a few hundred people like he should have done. Once I got the 'Hollywood Kid' (my name for him) to commit to the event as a favor to me...we definitely would have had to do it at Revolution Hall...because that place can pack in almost a thousand people. MI studios wouldn't even have held the crowd.

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I am not angry any more about this, but I will tell you two things. First, I wouldn't trust EU if he tells me day is light and night is dark. Second...I will have nothing to do with any further Cooper events where he is the main organizer. I suspected something was up after he accepted the Portland job, because he suddenly stopped answering my emails. The wheels upstairs were already turning with him. All that resulted was a rather lame event and a disappointment for the public. EU's motivations for doing what he did were probably based on his false assumption that old Robert B was going to be the 'Big Cheese'. That is really dumb. Had he just asked....I would have told him it was HE and Jim Brunberg's event, not mine. I had to be in San Diego that weekend. I only helped plan the thing, arranged some of the headliners, (to draw a crowd) and put up the money for the gift cards. EU and Brunberg were to host the whole thing, and EU was told he could invite any speakers he wanted. To top it off....Brunberg was putting up the MI venue for free, and willing to arrange for Revolution Hall should it become necessary. I was also going to create the official program in PDF. So he did all that back door crap for nothing. B) 

Looking back now, none of this surprises me though. It's typical Cooperland stuff. I have seen people screw themselves more times in the Cooper case based on emotion and a refusal to work together.

You think you've seen it all, and then you see some more. 
 

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1 minute ago, EJU said:

Thinking about this, I actually think investigating me is probably a better use of your time.

After all, when you focus on DB Cooper you end up with nonsense like:

1) DB Cooper intended to fly to Mexico non-stop but changed his mind and decided to jump early.

2) DB Cooper landed in the Willamette River Valley area and the money magically floated down from there.

3) The money ended up in a dump along the Columbia River.

4) They actually delivered Cooper six parachutes and decided to mysteriously keep two of them secret.

and my personal favorite...

4) Tina Mucklow was involved.

Well done TrollJack. I'm sure a movie deal is just around the corner.

Those are really excellent questions, I LIKE IT. Why didn't you ask before instead of crying troll and wasting everyone's time. But don't steal any of it this time..

1. Cooper's initial demand was anyplace in Mexico nonstop in US, FACT. His initial demand was airstairs lowered in the air, FACT. That was changed during negotiations with crew to lowered on takeoff, FACT. Then they decided lowered in air, FACT. He was described as Swarthy, Latin American Mexican in features, FACT. He told Tina "US" currency and pilots asked for "American" currency FACT. My conclusion is that those facts do not indicate he wanted to jump ASAP initially. He changed his LZ to jump ASAP when the planes destination was changed. His plan boarding the plane was to jump much later based on the the facts above most likely outside the US.

2. The Willamette river valley was a theory, one of many.

3. The dump, another theory of many. I may have about 5 of them..

4. The chutes. The evidence from the FBI indicates that the chute left on the plane doesn't match Hayden's packing card. The colours of the chutes described doesn't match Cossey's claim or Hayden's. Hayden rejected the FBI claim and description of chutes,, got that so far,, now if the chute Hayden got back and the one left on the plane don't match as the FBI data suggests then Cooper did not jump with either of Hayden's chutes, easy logic,, So Cooper must have used either Cossey's or McChords. I don't know which, I am trying to figure it out. A witness claimed an FBI agent brought a chute onto the plane, Bruce claims other witnesses say the same thing,, honestly I am not sure I am trying to work out the timeline. I think there was less than 10 minutes between the landing and Tina going to get the chutes.

5. Tina, this is another theory of many, a good one. It would take a while to go through all the details they have been posted before,, but we know the story Tina asked for some ransom money, returned it claiming no tips allowed referencing Cooper trying to tip all of them. Cooper later offered the other stews ransom money and tried to tip them from his pocket.. This story from Tina makes no sense, Tina used the no tip excuse referencing an event that occurred later, Cooper tried to tip the stews after he received the ransom money and after Tina informed him they don't take tips. Cooper tried to tip the stews drink money change about $18 four hours after he got the change, after he received the ransom money and after Tina told him there was a no tip policy. It makes no sense, there is a lie there somewhere. Now, the money Cooper offered the stews was the only money (packets) we know of that he separated from the rest of the money. There is no evidence Tina handed back the money to Cooper other than Tina's statement. Only Cooper and Tina know... Tina was moved to Gresham Or, just  a few miles upstream of TBAR in about 1978 to 1979.. That is the window for the money deposit on TBAR. It is a reasonable theory that Tina may have kept that money and it was tossed/discarded it into the Columbia River around 1978/79. But, it is just a theory.

 

Those are mostly theories.. and don't have anything to do with a specific suspect. They aren't that big a deal.. 

The extensive research and facts I have are related to Hahneman. The best suspect by a long shot.. but we all have the problem of putting somebody on the plane and since we don't control the forensics that is a tough thing to do for anybody,, 

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30 minutes ago, EJU said:

I appreciate your comments.

Anyone who has read this thread has got to acknowledge that Fly and Blevins have had a field day trolling me over the last several months. Moreover, one can easily verify that I have not responded on this thread for several months. Yet the trolling continues and somehow this is my fault? Really?

I WAS NEVER CHARGED OR CONVICTED OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. NOR DID I EVER PLEAD GUILTY TO ANYTHING.

Yet, you listen to Fly and he bald face lies that I was involved with domestic abuse. This lie, of course, came from the very reliable Blevins. Name a single person who ever accused me of laying a finger on them.

If I were charged or convicted it stands to reason that there would be a court document pointing to a charge and/or conviction, right? Well where is it.

The Cooper sites have been run over by a few bad apples. By and large, I ignore it. But tonight, for whatever reason I decided to call one of the trolls out.

Dudeman17, you're entitled to let people libel you and talk shit about you all night if you so choose. That said, why should I be required to do the same?.

What do you call it when someone pops up with a 1989 newspaper clipping concerning an unpaid speeding ticket? Really? On a DB Cooper thread? Yet the problem is me?

As for Derek showing up on the same night, well, believe it or not, that's just pure coincidence.

Cheers!

No, I didn't get it from Blevins, a link came from somebody else..

It came from here and they seem to have more claims about your character.. I haven't looked into them.

It isn't a lie, it is also backed up by the newspaper.. you admitted it.. and still deny it? this guy gets a Cooper program? Is there a CooperVirus eating peoples brains..

https://sonoranalliance.com/12813/

You have been calling me a troll for almost a year, you STOLE my research twisted it to fit your biased narrative and claimed you had figured it out. I don't mind you using it but you got the facts wrong. The tie was not from 1963. Get right if you use it.

You started calling me a troll when I challenged your Sheridan narrative with facts.. that pissed you off, you ran away and yelled troll. Well you kept calling me a troll and now it bites you in the ass. Your posts have exposed you..

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21 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

No, I didn't get it from Blevins, a link came from somebody else..

It came from here and they seem to have more claims about your character.. I haven't looked into them.

It isn't a lie, it is also backed up by the newspaper.. you admitted it.. and still deny it? this guy gets a Cooper program? Is there a CooperVirus eating peoples brains..

https://sonoranalliance.com/12813/

You have been calling me a troll for almost a year, you STOLE my research twisted it to fit your biased narrative and claimed you had figured it out. I don't mind you using it but you got the facts wrong. The tie was not from 1963. Get right if you use it.

You started calling me a troll when I challenged your Sheridan narrative with facts.. that pissed you off, you ran away and yelled troll. Well you kept calling me a troll and now it bites you in the ass. Your posts have exposed you..

Here we go again, yet more lies.

1) Look up the first time I referred to you as a troll. When was that?

2) I did not steal anything from you. You're implying that I stole info about the tie from you? You're full of shit. I conducted my own research, determined the tie was manufactured by Remington Apparel Co. in Wilmington, NC in 1963 or 1964. This is my work. Not yours. Stop lying.

3) The Sonoran Alliance? Wow, very reputable. Apparently you know nothing about politics. You believe what you want to believe fool.

4) Where did I admit I plead guilty to anything? Good luck with that.

There is nothing wrong with my character. The same cannot be said about you. My proof: Look at the temper tantrum and lies you've been spreading for months.

Frankly debating this with you is like arguing with a rock in the yard.

By the way, why don't you tune in on July 5th and learn a thing or two. Like I told GEORGER a couple of days ago, I'm light years ahead of you on this case. Can you guess how?

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Blevins,

How do you write so much?

 

He had an agenda the entire time, to ingratiate himself into the Cooper community gain cred take control with the CooperCon and leverage it sell his so called Sheridan narrative for $$.. 

He used people and their work to backfill Sailshaw's well known theory and added his own extreme speculation...

He attacks anyone that points out facts that challenge his highly speculative narrative.

His Sheridan narrative is baseless drivel. IMO. 

The extremely aggressive attacks against me indicate he is afraid. He should be, he has no idea what I have.

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2 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Blevins,

How do you write so much?

 

He had an agenda the entire time, to ingratiate himself into the Cooper community gain cred take control with the CooperCon and leverage it sell his so called Sheridan narrative for $$.. 

He used people and their work to backfill Sailshaw's well known theory and added his own extreme speculation...

He attacks anyone that points out facts that challenge his highly speculative narrative.

His Sheridan narrative is baseless drivel. IMO. 

The extremely aggressive attacks against me indicate he is afraid. He should be, he has no idea what I have.

Very compelling. Especially the part of me being afraid of you and "he has no idea what I have."

Remember those words.

You're about ready to look like the biggest fool in the world. And that, you can take to the bank.

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8 minutes ago, EJU said:

Here we go again, yet more lies.

1) Look up the first time I referred to you as a troll. When was that?

2) I did not steal anything from you. You're implying that I stole info about the tie from you? You're full of shit. I conducted my own research, determined the tie was manufactured by Remington Apparel Co. in Wilmington, NC in 1963 or 1964. This is my work. Not yours. Stop lying.

3) The Sonoran Alliance? Wow, very reputable. Apparently you know nothing about politics. You believe what you want to believe fool.

4) Where did I admit I plead guilty to anything? Good luck with that.

There is nothing wrong with my character. The same cannot be said about you. My proof: Look at the temper tantrum and lies you've been spreading for months.

Frankly debating this with you is like arguing with a rock in the yard.

By the way, why don't you tune in on July 5th and learn a thing or two. Like I told GEORGER a couple of days ago, I'm light years ahead of you on this case. Can you guess how?

2 minutes ago, EJU said:

Very compelling. Especially the part of me being afraid of you and "he has no idea what I have."

Remember those words.

You're about ready to look like the biggest fool in the world. And that, you can take to the bank.

Meh.. waste of time... clearly in denial.

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9 minutes ago, EJU said:

You'll see.

It actually wouldn't surprise me if you paid and convinced a confused and senile old man to say he was Cooper... lots of people have claimed it near death...

 

How did I do, close?

I give credit for credit due,, I have just never seen anything from you that isn't confirmation bias,, but I'll keep an open mind.

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1 minute ago, FLYJACK said:

It actually wouldn't surprise me if you paid and convinced a confused and senile old man to say he was Cooper... lots of people have claimed it near death...

Yeah that's the way the network and I roll. Let me guess, you're a flat-Earther?

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Notice that EU completely dodged my comprehensive post on the truth behind CooperCon 2.

What scares people like EU is the truth, not links, or opinions. He probably read that post and thought, 'How the hell did Blevins figure out EVERYTHING?'

Because I am not dumb. You also say this EU:

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'I WAS NEVER CHARGED OR CONVICTED OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. NOR DID I EVER PLEAD GUILTY TO ANYTHING.'

You do have two Municipal Court appearances out of Seattle on two different case numbers, 1994, 09/21, 09/23. Maybe just speeding tickets.  (Actually, I know what they are but I'm not posting any of that) It was more than twenty five years ago, and everyone makes mistakes. Me included. 

I think what Cooperland would actually want to know is your explanation on why you did what you did more recently. You dodged that one, and I think that is more important than maybe you failing to let off the accelerator a bit. B)

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Look, I don't like getting in the middle of this kind of stuff, and I probably shouldn't have this time. But, you know, social distancing and all that...

But...

52 minutes ago, EJU said:

Anyone who has read this thread has got to acknowledge that Fly and Blevins have had a field day trolling me over the last several months.

Fly doesn't agree with your conclusions on the case. And Robert was pissed off at the way you handled the Cooper Convention. That's not trolling, that's disagreement.

52 minutes ago, EJU said:

I WAS NEVER CHARGED OR CONVICTED OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. NOR DID I EVER PLEAD GUILTY TO ANYTHING.

Yet, you listen to Fly... ... that I was involved with domestic abuse.

If I were charged or convicted it stands to reason that there would be a court document pointing to a charge and/or conviction, right? Well where is it.

The document was posted, you even reposted it in one of your replies, you were charged. I'm guessing the charges were dropped when you agreed to the classes. I know how that works from first-hand experience. Long ago and far away in my youth, I was once caught with some weed and ended up in a diversion class. (Most of my other 'experiences' with law enforcement had to do with early base jumping in places where they didn't appreciate it.)

But I don't care about any of that. The point was that you were throwing 'libel' at him and I didn't see that. I've watched 'Cops', people get busted for looking sideways at their partner, I don't judge you for anything.

1 hour ago, EJU said:

Dudeman17, you're entitled to let people libel you and talk shit about you all night if you so choose. That said, why should I be required to do the same?.

I don't give a flying flip what people on the internet might say about me. My sense of self is not dependent on the opinions of people who don't know me. There's an old saying:

When I was young, I used to worry about what people thought of me. When I got older, I didn't give a fuck what any one thought of me. Now that I'm older still, I realize - There ain't nobody thinking about me!

1 hour ago, EJU said:

As for Derek showing up on the same night, well, believe it or not, that's just pure coincidence.

OK

1 hour ago, EJU said:

I appreciate your comments.

And I appreciate yours. I enjoyed when you used to post about the case here. All of that fascinates me. I don't judge you, I don't dislike you or any one here, I just wish all you people didn't bicker so much.

If Twitch were still alive, he'd be laughing his ass off.

1 hour ago, EJU said:

Cheers!

And to you all as well.

I'll try to just go back to making occasional comments about the logistics of parachuting, 'cause that's what I know...

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1 minute ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Notice that EU completely dodged my comprehensive post on the truth behind CooperCon 2.

What scares people like EU is the truth, not links, or opinions. He probably read that post and thought, 'How the hell did Blevins figure out EVERYTHING?'

Because I am not dumb. You also say this EU:

You do have two Municipal Court appearances out of Seattle on two different case numbers, 1994, 09/21, 09/23. Maybe just speeding tickets.  (Actually, I know what they are but I'm not posting any of that) It was more than twenty five years ago, and everyone makes mistakes. Me included. 

I think what Cooperland would actually want to know is your explanation on why you did what you did more recently. You dodged that one, and I think that is more important than maybe you failing to let off the accelerator a bit. B)

He admitted to a domestic violence diversion program... stemming from a "charge" which is actually written on the document but he claims it isn't a charge and it didn't happen.. and it is libel to mention the truth.. because I am a troll and he has something really big that will take something to a bank for something or some such nonsense.

Well I hope so, underpromise and overdeliver is my motto..

 

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27 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Dudeman,,

I have a chute question: The Hayden chutes, was/could there be a second separate packing card for the pilot chute?

No, there wouldn't be. To a rigger packing the whole thing, the pilot chute is kind of incidental, it's make and s/n usually isn't even mentioned on the card. The only time I've seen one mentioned on the card is if the pilot chute and/or bridle is replaced.

That one FBI document that seems to mention a second canopy in one of the rigs, an 'integral part' of it, the only way that makes sense is if they're talking about the pilot chute on that rig, and it's a typo saying it's 24 foot, rather than 24 inches. They would have gotten the make and s/n off of the pilot chute itself.

Another thing - sometimes the packing card also states the make and s/n of the harness/container. Is it possible that for the mis-matching numbers, one agent wrote the s/n of the canopy, and another wrote the s/n of the container?

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