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Vancouver Lake flushing channel was built in 1983.

TBAR "was" not (almost) an island for Norjak..

The land to the south "was" approx 4500 ft wide at narrowest.

(Eric Ulis scrambles to rewrite script) thank me later.

 

What is really interesting is the faint beeper heard west of Vancouver, probably the ALCOA plant.

 

7:25PM URGENT 11/26/71 TLA

TO: – SEATTLE (C164 – 81)
FROt-1: PORTLA ND ( 164-41)
UNlSUB; HIJACKING OF NORTHWEST ORIENT AIRLINES FLIGHT THREE
ZERO FiVE, ELEVEN TWENTTYFOUR SEVENTYONE:” CAA -HIJACKING; EXTORTION
00: SEATTLE.

________________ OREGON AIR NATIONAL GUARD,
ADVISED THAT AT APPROXIMATELY THREE THIRTY P.M. TODAY AS HE WAS
MAKING APPROACH TO PORTLAND INTERNATIONAL AiRPORT IN F-ONE ZERO
ONE FIGHTER: HEARD A FAINT RADIO TONE SIGNAL BEING BROADCAST
ON TWO FOUR THREE POINT ZERO MC. A FREQUENCY RESERVED FOR EMERGENCY AIRCRAFT RADIO TRANSMISSIONS. SIGNAL FIRST HEARD NEAR EVERGREEN AIRPORT, JUST EAST OF VANCOUVER, WASHINGTON, THEN HEARD SECOND TIME NEAR REYNOLDS ALUMINUM PLANT WEST OF VANCOUVER. SIGNAL HEARD FOR APPROXIMATELY FIVE MINUTES, DURING WHICH TIME __________ ATTEMPTED TO OBTAIN RADIO FIX ON AUTOMATIC DIRECTION FINDER EQUIPMENT WITHOUT SUCCESS AS SIGNAL FADED OUT. SIGNAL WAS OF
END OF PAGE ONE

TYPE TRANSMITTED BY EMERGENCY LOCATED BEACONS CARRIED BY GENERAL AVIATION AND MILITARY AIRCRAFT. NO SUCH BEACONS KNOWN TO HAVE BEEN IN OPERATION, EITHER ACCIDENTALLY OR FOR TEST PURPOSES, AT TIME. FOR INFORMATION.

END

HANDWRITTEN NOTE “MANNING HANDLING”

----

Evergreen field was East of Vancouver.

But, the Reynolds Aluminum plant was near Troutdale East of Government Island next to the Columbia far from Evergreen Airport and very far East of Vancouver. The pilot stated West of Vancouver, ALCOA was the big Aluminum plant West of Vancouver on the Columbia about 4 miles upstream of TBAR.

Did the pilot mix up the name of the Aluminum plant.. Alcoa was west of Vancouver but Reynolds was very far East. Since he described Evergreen as East, he was more likely referring to Alcoa as West.. but called it Reynolds by mistake.

 

 

red line = railroad tracks

yellow circle = Alcoa Plant

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That's interesting. Was that pilot listening for the beeper, or did he just happen to hear it. Either way, that they thought it important might suggest a McChord rig with a beeper, or possibly one put in with the money. Also, did you mention the aluminum plant just as a matter of location? A transmitted beeper signal wouldn't be like a radar ping off of aluminum.

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10 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

That's interesting. Was that pilot listening for the beeper, or did he just happen to hear it. Either way, that they thought it important might suggest a McChord rig with a beeper, or possibly one put in with the money. Also, did you mention the aluminum plant just as a matter of location? A transmitted beeper signal wouldn't be like a radar ping off of aluminum.

I didn't get the impression he was actively listening for it.. there is no evidence Cooper's chutes or money had a beeper, but the FBI does hide info..

It would be consistent with a McChord chute, 

Notice though, this doc was handled by Tom Manning, the FBI man in charge of the search... it must have been important.

I'll add a reference,, 6 months later hijacker Hahneman got his chutes from Andrews AFB and they had beepers. The beepers had a 24 hour minimum and 15 mile range.

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I see TrollJack is still at it...can't stop trolling me. Pathetic.

Oh well, ignorant people are too ignorant to know they're ignorant.

Tena Bar is essentially on an island. In 1971 you either get there via:

1) Swimming.

2) Crossing the River "S" Bridge near Ridgefield, WA.

3) You walk 7 miles up from Vancouver...but then you have to walk 7 miles back to Vancouver.

4) Landing upon the "island" that Tena Bar is on.

Yeah I know TrollJack, Tina Mucklow buried the money on Tena Bar...in which case she probably drove.

Cheers!

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26 minutes ago, EJU said:

I see TrollJack is still at it...can't stop trolling me. Pathetic.

Oh well, ignorant people are too ignorant to know they're ignorant.

Tena Bar is essentially on an island. In 1971 you either get there via:

1) Swimming.

2) Crossing the River "S" Bridge near Ridgefield, WA.

3) You walk 7 miles up from Vancouver...but then you have to walk 7 miles back to Vancouver.

4) Landing upon the "island" that Tena Bar is on.

Yeah I know TrollJack, Tina Mucklow buried the money on Tena Bar...in which case she probably drove.

Cheers!

Ouch, such aggression, I must have hit a bullseye.

That is the thanks I get for saving your ass and saving you from a massive factual public embarrassment, you may be smarter than G, but you aren't smarter than me...

TBAR was not almost an island in Nov 1971 when Sheridan was in Nepal, the flushing channel didn't exist yet, neither did the 400 ft land bridge you claim. oops. Can't wait to see the rest of your pseudo-facts.

Send me the script and I'll check for other factual errors for you, no charge.

I hope you don't misrepresent my tie research that you stole, it wasn't 1963, I can prove it. Otherwise, good luck with your whatever it is... docu-fiction or something. I am proud of you, you found a sucker.

 

And I never said Tina buried the money on TBAR, that is a lie. 

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What is it...you're green with envy...well it is St. Patrick's Day.

Debating a troll and a liar who is ignorant to boot...it's almost not fair.

You accusing me of stealing anything, especially from you is laughable. What exactly did I steal from you? What exactly did I steal from anybody?

Let me guess, you're going to say that I "stole" my suspect from Sailshaw. Of course you will  because that's the kind of argument stupid people resort to when they are getting smoked.

Well, unfortunately for you I retained all the research that I conducted that pointed to Sheridan. Whether Sailshaw thought he was Cooper before my research pointed to him is irrelevant. You see, that's kind of like saying Sailshaw "stole" Sheridan from the guy who contacted the FBI about Sheridan a week after the skyjacking.

I realize it's probably well beyond your capability to understand, that's OK. Others are here to help you. In fact, GEORGER has been schooling your ass too. 

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Just now, EJU said:

What is it...you're green with envy...well it is St. Patrick's Day.

Debating a troll and a liar who is ignorant to boot...it's almost not fair.

You accusing me of stealing anything, especially from you is laughable. What exactly did I steal from you? What exactly did I steal from anybody?

Let me guess, you're going to say that I "stole" my suspect from Sailshaw. Of course you will  because that's the kind of argument stupid people resort to when they are getting smoked.

Well, unfortunately for you I retained all the research that I conducted that pointed to Sheridan. Whether Sailshaw thought he was Cooper before my research pointed to him is irrelevant. You see, that's kind of like saying Sailshaw "stole" Sheridan from the guy who contacted the FBI about Sheridan a week after the skyjacking.

I realize it's probably well beyond your capability to understand, that's OK. Others are here to help you. In fact, GEORGER has been schooling your ass too. 

Woah, you go with the elitist attitude, have you been drinking?

That is the arrogance and condescension we know and may I say love.

Debate, you can't debate, when I challenged your crazy theories with facts you ran away and yelled "troll".... "troll"

Your Sheridan narrative is garbage, it is so bad it doesn't deserve attention. There are NO facts, what you didn't steal from others is just layers of conjecture and assumptions you wove together with confirmation bias spittle..

You are the CooperCon.. 

 

 

 

 

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Oh, by the way TrollJack, the "Tina Mucklow buried the money on Tena Bar" lie you attribute to me...well I'm just quoting you...Post #61256 below:

"There are probably other theories that fit,, I still like the "Tina kept it theory",,, She handled money from the bag and she was a few miles upstream of TBAR a 1978/79."

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2 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Woah, you go with the elitist attitude, have you been drinking?

That is the arrogance and condescension we know and may I say love.

Debate, you can't debate, when I challenged your crazy theories with facts you ran away and yelled "troll".... "troll"

Your Sheridan narrative is garbage, it is so bad it doesn't deserve attention. There are NO facts, what you didn't steal from others is just layers of conjecture and assumptions you wove together with confirmation bias spittle..

You are the CooperCon.. 

 

 

 

 

TrollJack, you really need to learn how to write properly. Here's a piece of advice..FREE of course:

Do not say in 20 words that which you can say in 10 words. Your wordiness, a cheap ploy to make you sound smart, actually reveals your ignorance.

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9 minutes ago, EJU said:

TrollJack, you really need to learn how to write properly. Here's a piece of advice..FREE of course:

Do not say in 20 words that which you can say in 10 words. Your wordiness, a cheap ploy to make you sound smart, actually reveals your ignorance.

Are you the word police,, I can use any words I like.

 

Getting the truth and facts right is my priority... not taking advice from a domestic abuser.

Selling a BS Sheridan narrative was your goal from the get go.. you used people with purpose... 

Congratulations, I am happy for you and can't wait to count all the errors.. then you can move on to your next scam.

 

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6 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

Not sure who's displaying less maturity right now - Derek or Eric.

This started with post #61553. In fact, looking back TrollJack has been on a trollfest trolling me off and on over the last several months. Meanwhile, I haven't posted in months.

Those, my friend, are the facts.

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5 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

Not sure who's displaying less maturity right now - Derek or Eric.

This has been common in the Cooper Vortex, it makes people mad, like gold fever, bloated and threatened egos need to be justified.

For the record, I think Eric Ulis's Sheridan narrative is fact-less and bogus.. and I congratulate him in selling it, that takes skill and determination. Eric is a great salesman, Cooper researcher, not so much.

 

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5 minutes ago, EJU said:

This started with post #61553. In fact, looking back TrollJack has been on a trollfest trolling me off and on over the last several months. Meanwhile, I haven't posted in months.

Those, my friend, are the facts.

I just corrected your error. 

This is what happened before, I corrected your misinformation with facts and you called me troll... you have been calling me a troll for a long time now.. you can't admit you have the facts wrong and your narrative falls apart so you attack the messenger.. you should be thanking me, that error would have been BIG. 

 

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4 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Are you the word police,, I can use any words I like.

 

Getting the truth and facts right is my priority... not taking advice from a domestic abuser.

Selling a BS Sheridan narrative was your goal from the get go.. you used people with purpose... 

Congratulations, I am happy for you and can't wait to count all the errors.. then you can move on to your next scam.

 

You talk a big game, so how about you put your money where your mouth is?

Well Mr. "getting the truth and facts right is my priority" William Long, you just libeled me by calling me "a domestic abuser."

How about you put up $1,000 to my $1,000, donated to charity of course?

You come up with proof that I was convicted of or charged with domestic abuse and I will donate $1,000 to charity. On the other hand, if you fail to come up with that proof, you donate $1,000 and eat crow by publicly apologizing?

Put your money where your mouth is Mr Long. Let's see how much truth really is your priority.

BTW, if you think Blevins' ticket proves I was convicted or charged with domestic abuse, you may want to dig a little deeper...that is if truth really is your priority.

I'll give you until tonight to decide. But, given that you think nothing of libeling people, you apparently won't need until tonight.

I'm waiting TrollJack.

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2 minutes ago, Light7 said:

At least Sheridan worked at Boeing, knew the Pacific Northwest, spoke English etc. Connie Chung was DB Cooper before Panama Huluhoophan was 

There is no evidence Cooper worked at Boeing.

Hahneman spoke english with no accent and traveled through the PNW. You'd know that if you did basic research instead of wasting time spamming.

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20 minutes ago, EJU said:

You talk a big game, so how about you put your money where your mouth is?

Well Mr. "getting the truth and facts right is my priority" William Long, you just libeled me by calling me "a domestic abuser."

How about you put up $1,000 to my $1,000, donated to charity of course?

You come up with proof that I was convicted of or charged with domestic abuse and I will donate $1,000 to charity. On the other hand, if you fail to come up with that proof, you donate $1,000 and eat crow by publicly apologizing?

Put your money where your mouth is Mr Long. Let's see how much truth really is your priority.

BTW, if you think Blevins' ticket proves I was convicted or charged with domestic abuse, you may want to dig a little deeper...that is if truth really is your priority.

I'll give you until tonight to decide. But, given that you think nothing of libeling people, you apparently won't need until tonight.

I'm waiting TrollJack.

Ok.. I take it back I wasn't specific enough, it was criminal damage related to domestic violence and given your aggressive arrogance I believe it. You agreed to attend a domestic-violence diversion program...

What was that like.. did you learn anything.

Between you and me, I didn't libel you and in my opinion you still have an attitude issue.

 

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9 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Ok.. I take it back I wasn't specific enough, it was criminal damage related to domestic violence and given your aggressive arrogance I believe it.

 

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So I am not a domestic abuser after all. Where is the apology loser? Don't ever libel me again.

 Now, how about proving I was convicted or charged with criminal damage? It's public information. There would be a record of it. Where is it TrollJack? $1,000 is on the line.

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2 minutes ago, EJU said:

So I am not a domestic abuser after all. Where is the apology loser? Don't ever libel me again.

 Now, how about proving I was convicted or charged with criminal damage? It's public information. There would be a record of it. Where is it TrollJack? $1,000 is on the line.

You attended a domestic abuser program. Did you read the article.

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1 minute ago, EJU said:

So I take it the bet is on? $1,000. Put your money where your mouth is.

 

I never claimed you were convicted,, you did a domestic violence diversion program or is the newspaper lying?

Tell us what a domestic violence diversion program is like, most of us have no idea.

What did you learn there?

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1 minute ago, FLYJACK said:

I never claimed you were convicted,, you did a domestic violence diversion program or is the newspaper lying?

Tell us what a domestic violence diversion program is like, most of us have no idea.

What did you learn there?

You called me a domestic abuser. Your words not mine. That's called libel pal. That's the kind of shit you get sued over.

You're a troll. But you know that. I have just proved it. You can't prove anything because you don't have any idea of what you're talking about...apparently this is a trait you carry over into the DB Cooper investigation as well.

Pathetic.

 

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27 minutes ago, EJU said:

You called me a domestic abuser. Your words not mine. That's called libel pal. That's the kind of shit you get sued over.

You're a troll. But you know that. I have just proved it. You can't prove anything because you don't have any idea of what you're talking about...apparently this is a trait you carry over into the DB Cooper investigation as well.

Pathetic.

 

I am only a troll to you because I figured you out and you feel threatened.. so you try to discredit me with that label.. Honestly, I don't care about your fictional program, I think you did well.. seriously.

But no it isn't libel, pal.. the fact is you attended a domestic violence program, were you there to give a Cooper speech? End of story but nice try. I didn't make it up.. I don't BS. You just aren't that bright are you.

Do you have any other charges out there we need to know about, maybe in Washington State. I could have sworn I recall something...

I haven't seen this nasty side of you, based on your recent attitude and vile behaviour I think you need another diversion program of some sort... just a suggestion.

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2 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

I am only a troll to you because I figured you out and you feel threatened.. so you try to discredit me with that label.. Honestly, I don't care about your fictional program, I think you did well.. seriously.

But no it isn't libel, pal.. the fact is you attended a domestic violence program, were you there to give a Cooper speech? End of story but nice try. I didn't make it up.. I don't BS. You just aren't that bright are you.

Do you have any other charges out there we need to know about, maybe in Washington State. I could have sworn I recall something...

I haven't seen this nasty side of you, based on your recent attitude and vile behaviour I think you need another diversion program of some sort...

I call you a troll because you are a troll. A bottom feeder. People don't need to put up with chumps like you.

This is a thread about DB Cooper. I call you on the carpet for trolling me for the 1000th time over the last six months and you immediately go to the gutter and try to slime me by calling me a domestic abuser. That makes you a troll.

Of course you're also not man enough to apologize, even though you conceded.

As far as whether such remarks a libelous or not, who the hell are you? Did you write the law? Do you know what it says? Do you know how to prove it or defend against it? Perhaps I should threaten you with a lawsuit--you know what that's like, right? SHUTTER and GEORGER ring a bell?

Amazing you get all butt-hurt over GEORGER but see nothing wrong with wrongfully libeling me a domestic abuser. Then you question why I get amped up about it? I think more than one person on this site wouldn't put up with such cheap shots, especially from a bottom-feeder like you.

TrollJack, you really are just plum stupid. Nonetheless, let me remind you, don't ever libel me again or I will have a friendly Ontario attorney crawl up your ass with a microscope.

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