DB Cooper

[c99acer 6]

55 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

They were F106's, and yes, of course they did.

Does your SAGE output or recordings show FOUR interceptors? I didn't ask about the F106s.

I am talking about two of these... F102

NOT two of these... F106

There were four interceptors in the air along with the other assortment of chase aircraft.

[FLYJACK 654]

18 minutes ago, c99acer said:

Does your SAGE output or recordings show FOUR interceptors? I didn't ask about the F106s.

I am talking about two of these... F102

NOT two of these... F106

There were four interceptors in the air along with the other assortment of chase aircraft.

I don't think the F-102s were part of the SAGE system which could direct control and fire from jets..

That doesn't mean they weren't tracked by radar..

SAGE tracked everything.

The F-102s didn't intercept 305 until after the Columbia River. The F-106s turned back and the F-102s followed to Reno.

You had SAGE, AF and ATC tracking the planes.

Obviously, we don't have the SAGE primary data, it is military stuff that needs to be deciphered. 

There is nothing mysterious here.

The Reca narrative uses doubt to create a grand conspiracy, you can do that with anything.. If everything is a lie, they can make up anything, there is nothing to check.

They want people to believe everyone involved in the Cooper hijacking is lying and in real time comms...  vs Carl/Reca's account..

It is beyond tin foil hat stuff. This Reca nonsense is just making a mockery of the Cooper case.

 

Here, Reca was with Joan in August 1970.. in Michigan, in Lexington where Joan's brother lived using "Peca". They just made up the Reca timeline. They made it all up.

 

[CooperNWO305 146]

Did the Cliff Ammerman discussion at CC get recorded? I could have sworn he mentioned A7s or A6s. I was right next to him and remember looking at him after he said it. I think it was in the context of well after Portland. He may have misspoke or I misheard, but I’ve been an aviation fan most of my life and I’m pretty sure he mentioned Navy A6s or A7s coming from somewhere. 
 

It looks like the Reca shills are at it again. My only comment is that I don’t know if Osiadeciz was vetted. He seems to have a law enforcement background, but I’m skeptical. 

[olemisscub 466]

23 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Did the Cliff Ammerman discussion at CC get recorded? I could have sworn he mentioned A7s or A6s. I was right next to him and remember looking at him after he said it. I think it was in the context of well after Portland. He may have misspoke or I misheard, but I’ve been an aviation fan most of my life and I’m pretty sure he mentioned Navy A6s or A7s coming from somewhere. 
 

It looks like the Reca shills are at it again. My only comment is that I don’t know if Osiadeciz was vetted. He seems to have a law enforcement background, but I’m skeptical. 

I just did a vault search for A6's or A7's and nothing came up. Also did a Newspaper search and nothing is popping. Nothing in NORJAK or Tosaw either. 

[FLYJACK 654]

Apparently there were FOUR F-106s...

Two from McChord (dropped off) and two from California joined..

 

[Robert99 37]

21 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Apparently there were FOUR F-106s...

Two from McChord (dropped off) and two from California joined..

 

The only aircraft that tracked the airliner all the way to Reno was the Rescue C-130 which had joined up with the airliner in Southern Oregon or Northern California.

The C-130 was following the airliner when it was handed off from the Seattle Center to the Oakland Center and stayed with it until it landed in Reno.  It followed behind and 1000 feet higher than the airliner.

[FLYJACK 654]

7 minutes ago, Robert99 said:

The only aircraft that tracked the airliner all the way to Reno was the Rescue C-130 which had joined up with the airliner in Southern Oregon or Northern California.

The C-130 was following the airliner when it was handed off from the Seattle Center to the Oakland Center and stayed with it until it landed in Reno.  It followed behind and 1000 feet higher than the airliner.

What is weird is the Air Force spokesman from McChord said that two F106s from California joined... never heard that before.

[Robert99 37]

5 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

What is weird is the Air Force spokesman from McChord said that two F106s from California joined... never heard that before.

As I understand it, only the Rescue C-130 had visual contact with the airliner.  Some of the other aircraft were able to see it on their radars but not visually.

[FLYJACK 654]

1 minute ago, Robert99 said:

As I understand it, only the Rescue C-130 had visual contact with the airliner.  Some of the other aircraft were able to see it on their radars but not visually.

 

Gray had it in his book as well.. "another pair of F-106" ..  maybe from the news article.

[FLYJACK 654]

This is very very interesting....

I found a comment written last year by a retired AF Major Gary Larson..

He was given all the data and asked by the FBI to compute a DZ for Cooper..

NO, IT WASN"T ANYWHERE NEAR CLE ELUM.

I did a quick search and kept getting the cartoonist.. but there was one possible hit in Minnesota..

 

Edited August 25, 2023 by FLYJACK

[georger 197]

25 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

This is very very interesting....

I found a comment written last year by a retired AF Major Gary Larson..

He was given all the data and asked by the FBI to compute a DZ for Cooper..

NO, IT WASN"T ANYWHERE NEAR CLE ELUM.

I did a quick search and kept getting the cartoonist.. but there was one possible hit in Minnesota..

 

 

hmmmmmmmm ....  larger .........  nothing in the files so far about this!

Edited August 25, 2023 by georger

[olemisscub 466]

Soderlind said that Alice’s husband provided the descent calculations.

 

[olemisscub 466]

Actually it appears that Hancock did the calculations for NWA and someone else (Larson an alias for Spangler?) did it for USAF.

Edited August 25, 2023 by olemisscub

[FLYJACK 654]

8 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Actually it appears that Hancock did the calculations for NWA and someone else (Larson an alias for Spangler?) did it for USAF.

He was alive March 2022..

[olemisscub 466]

I believe Larson may be who calculated the third DZ for the 73 search since Spangler was no longer there. This sorta jives with the article and him explaining how the agent said they were running out of funding. They certainly were not running out of funding when the first two USAF calculations were computed. Although there is an FBI doc that says their final 73 search was using a new mapping system from NWA. So hell if I know. Just a guess though. 

Regardless. His statement about this agent basically coming to him with hat in hand sounds like some of the language in the 302's from around late 72 when agents were begging for free help from the USAF and other entities. 

Edited August 25, 2023 by olemisscub

[olemisscub 466]

2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

He was alive March 2022..

I found him. He lives in Tacoma. 84 years old. 

[FLYJACK 654]

yup, is somebody going to contact him,, I found 2 phone numbers.

[olemisscub 466]

43 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

yup, is somebody going to contact him,, I found 2 phone numbers.

 

Yeah that article is what gave me his middle name earlier today. 
 

Chaucer is supposed to call him today.

[Robert99 37]

28 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Yeah that article is what gave me his middle name earlier today. 
 

Chaucer is supposed to call him today.

Larson was a navigator and would be fully qualified to calculate the flight path.  If someone talks to him ask him to detail exactly what information the FBI gave him to evaluate.

And specifically, if the FBI gave him the Seattle ATC radio transcripts of the communications with the airliner, did he get an unredacted copy of those communications?

Also, did he get a full copy of the ARINC communications transcripts between the airliner and NWA?

[olemisscub 466]

2 hours ago, Robert99 said:

Larson was a navigator and would be fully qualified to calculate the flight path.  If someone talks to him ask him to detail exactly what information the FBI gave him to evaluate.

And specifically, if the FBI gave him the Seattle ATC radio transcripts of the communications with the airliner, did he get an unredacted copy of those communications?

Also, did he get a full copy of the ARINC communications transcripts between the airliner and NWA?

Presumably he wouldn't have needed anything from the FBI to calculate the flight path since the raw data from their tracking of 305 would have been recorded onto tapes, which is what Spangler used to create his calculations. No doubt those tapes would have still been at McChord when Larson did his calculations. 

Of course, calculating the drop zone would require some data from FBI and NWA. 

[Robert99 37]

1 hour ago, olemisscub said:

Presumably he wouldn't have needed anything from the FBI to calculate the flight path since the raw data from their tracking of 305 would have been recorded onto tapes, which is what Spangler used to create his calculations. No doubt those tapes would have still been at McChord when Larson did his calculations. 

Of course, calculating the drop zone would require some data from FBI and NWA. 

Larson absolutely needs the raw data which would include the Seattle ATC transcripts among other things.  Both the Seattle and Oakland ATC radio transcripts were available in printed form within a week of the hijacking.  And the printed ARINC transcripts were available in almost real time on the evening of the hijacking.

Obviously, the FBI contacted Larson because the previous flight paths by Spangler and NWA personnel were not believable.  The FBI wanted fresh eyes on the matter and the place to start is with the original data and not what other people have done or messed up.

[olemisscub 466]

2 hours ago, Robert99 said:

 

Obviously, the FBI contacted Larson because the previous flight paths by Spangler and NWA personnel were not believable.  The FBI wanted fresh eyes on the matter and the place to start is with the original data and not what other people have done or messed up.

Yet he came up with the same flight path. Wonder why. 

[georger 197]

3 hours ago, Robert99 said:

Larson absolutely needs the raw data which would include the Seattle ATC transcripts among other things.  Both the Seattle and Oakland ATC radio transcripts were available in printed form within a week of the hijacking.  And the printed ARINC transcripts were available in almost real time on the evening of the hijacking.

Obviously, the FBI contacted Larson because the previous flight paths by Spangler and NWA personnel were not believable.  The FBI wanted fresh eyes on the matter and the place to start is with the original data and not what other people have done or messed up.

Obviouslyy !       

Edited August 26, 2023 by georger

[Robert99 37]

4 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Yet he came up with the same flight path. Wonder why. 

What leads you to believe that Larson came up with the same flight path as Spangler?  

Where is Larson's flight path and where is Spangler's flight path?

I have never seen any flight path that was credited to either one of them.  Are you claiming that the so-called FBI Flight Path was prepared by one or both of them?

[Chaucer 102]

15 minutes ago, Robert99 said:

What leads you to believe that Larson came up with the same flight path as Spangler?  

Where is Larson's flight path and where is Spangler's flight path?

I have never seen any flight path that was credited to either one of them.  Are you claiming that the so-called FBI Flight Path was prepared by one or both of them?

I've recently spoken with a gentleman who was a SAGE radar operator in the early 70s and later became a senior director at NORAD. He gave me the full scoop on SAGE, the data used to calculate the USAF flight path map, and the process that went into its development. 

We no longer have to guess or speculate. 

I'll be sharing what he had to say as soon as I can type is all up.

SPOILER ALERT:  The Western Flight is DOA if it was ever alive to begin with.