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Cooper offered Tina a cigarette and she took one (at least).. 7 Raleigh's were identified and another one was assumed to be a Raleigh.. all attributed to Cooper.

So, what happened to the cigarette Tina smoked? Was it one of those?

 

Also...

"It is felt Unsub was not an experienced criminal because of his mannerism exhibited after he received the ransom money. Unsub reportedly became somewhat childish, in his actions and comments while counting the money."

How does Cooper count the money if it was randomized?

Georger and Larry Carr got this wrong,

Carr wrote..

"The money was packaged in varying amounts, so one bundle would have $500.00 another $1,000.00, there was no uniformity to it. I have been searching for the evidence report from the lab but have not found it yet, lots of files to go through. When I get it you'll be the second to know."

 

There are many credible reports that the bundles were randomized... not the packets (100 bills). Carr incorrectly assumed the packets were randomized.

 

What does this mean... 

Everybody assumes the 3 packets arrived at TBAR independently but together. That would indicate that they had to be in some container or placed there. This is completely false. The money went to Cooper in packets of 100 and those rubber banded into random sized bundles. We know the packets were not randomized then only the bundles could have been randomized. So, how did the three TBAR packets get removed from their bundle?? It is possible somebody removed them after Cooper got the money or they landed on TBAR as part/all of a single randomized bundle. That expands the means by which the money could have arrived at TBAR. 

It is false to conclude the TBAR packets could have only arrived independently..

 

Brian Ingram, who discovered ransom money in 1980: "We are out here making a campfire, my father and I, and that’s when we discovered the three packets of $20 bills, later to be proven as ransom money of D.B. Cooper."

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Of all the possible scenarios, Cooper putting the money there himself is about last on my list of probable ways.  Others that I rate as higher likelihood are:

The packets dropped out of the back of the plane

The packets are money he tried to give to one of the stews

It's money he gave someone else along the way and they got rid of it later, maybe even Tina

A few packets broke off from the main bunch and ended up on Tina Bar, while a whole bunch of other money floated somewhere else.

None of the above are theories that I came up with, some pre-date all  of us joining the case, some are Flyjack's.

There are many scenarios.  The fact that 97% of the bills are unaccounted for makes the Tina Bar money interesting, but in my mind not a major factor in the case.  It has caused a lot of confusion, and gets a lot of attention.  It is the only link we have to Cooper after he jumped, so I can see why it is an important draw for people.  

As we know, if you have a flight path or a suspect and need to fit a square peg into a round hole, then the Tina Bar money can be used to inject some doubt.

 

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16 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Of all the possible scenarios, Cooper putting the money there himself is about last on my list of probable ways.  Others that I rate as higher likelihood are:

The packets dropped out of the back of the plane

The packets are money he tried to give to one of the stews

It's money he gave someone else along the way and they got rid of it later, maybe even Tina

A few packets broke off from the main bunch and ended up on Tina Bar, while a whole bunch of other money floated somewhere else.

None of the above are theories that I came up with, some pre-date all  of us joining the case, some are Flyjack's.

There are many scenarios.  The fact that 97% of the bills are unaccounted for makes the Tina Bar money interesting, but in my mind not a major factor in the case.  It has caused a lot of confusion, and gets a lot of attention.  It is the only link we have to Cooper after he jumped, so I can see why it is an important draw for people.  

As we know, if you have a flight path or a suspect and need to fit a square peg into a round hole, then the Tina Bar money can be used to inject some doubt.

 

I still prefer the dredge theory.

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36 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Of all the possible scenarios, Cooper putting the money there himself is about last on my list of probable ways.  Others that I rate as higher likelihood are:

The packets dropped out of the back of the plane

The packets are money he tried to give to one of the stews

It's money he gave someone else along the way and they got rid of it later, maybe even Tina

A few packets broke off from the main bunch and ended up on Tina Bar, while a whole bunch of other money floated somewhere else.

None of the above are theories that I came up with, some pre-date all  of us joining the case, some are Flyjack's.

There are many scenarios.  The fact that 97% of the bills are unaccounted for makes the Tina Bar money interesting, but in my mind not a major factor in the case.  It has caused a lot of confusion, and gets a lot of attention.  It is the only link we have to Cooper after he jumped, so I can see why it is an important draw for people.  

As we know, if you have a flight path or a suspect and need to fit a square peg into a round hole, then the Tina Bar money can be used to inject some doubt.

 

One other thing I find crucial...

The missing bills... one packet was missing 20 bills. Why only one packet? the top one of a single bundle?

Were they removed by a person or were they eroded away and just not accounted for??

One thing is for sure, the rubber bands were not "intact", there were fragments attached but based on the erosion of the packets and missing bills no way the rubber bands were "intact".

 

I am not a fan of the suction dredge, I just can't see the money going through and ending up in that condition.. clamshell dredge is possible.

 

The point I was making was the packets (100 bills each) went to Cooper in randomized bundles.

How did TBAR packets get separated from their bundle but remain together? Either they were separated by a person prior or they landed as a single bundle and fell apart via erosion.

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Cooper offered the drink tip money AFTER the ransom was on board and about 4 hours after he bought the drink...

After asking for some ransom money Tina said she handed it back claiming the no gratuity policy.. and she used the drink tip offer as an example.

Problem,, Cooper hadn't offered the drink tip yet, that was later. Also, why did Cooper offer the stews drink tip money after he got the ransom and after Tina claimed the "no gratuity" policy to return some ransom packets.. Why would Cooper offer all the stews the drink tip money ($18) when he has the $200 k ransom and has already been told by Tina that they don't accept gratuities.

IMO, the drink tip story is bogus or deceptive.

 

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41 minutes ago, ParrotheadVol said:

I thought that he offered tip money from the first drink he ordered. I know that has been stated in the past, or I read it somewhere but I can't remember. Maybe in 'Skyjack'? 

He offered the tip money from the drink change he had 4 hours earlier... after receiving ransom money and after Tina claiming to return it due to a no gratuity policy.

Quote Skyjack...

"He fishes around the pockets of his pants for the $19 he received from Flo nearly four hours ago, on the tarmac in Portland, for the bourbon and Seven he ordered and spilled. He offers the change.

Flo and Alice shake their heads.

“Sorry.”

“No tips.”

 

He received the drink early in the flight and paid without offering a tip.

After he had the ransom money the claim was that he offered tip money from his pocket...

 

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Timeline, 

 
Cooper orders drink from Flo while plane on Tarmac in Portland.
 
Pays with $20, does NOT give tip when he gets change.
 
 
Much Later,
 
Tina brings money bag onboard plane, while Cooper inspecting it Tina asks for some money, takes it then (claims) she returns it. She claims it is against company policy to accept gratuities citing Cooper offering all the stews tip money from his pocket.
 
Tina goes to get the chutes,
 
Flo lifts the money bag to feel the weight.
 
Cooper offers the stews drink tip money from his pocket. (about 4 hours after getting change from drink)
 
As Flo and Alice are leaving, Cooper offers them packets of ransom money. (Calame and Rhodes..)
 
At some point Flo went back into the plane for her purse.
 
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Calame and Rhodes

offered pack of money to each stew as they were getting off the plane

at 14:30


 
 
 
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I don't pretend to know HOW the money arrived at Tina Bar, but there are a few basic things I believe (and don't believe) about it:

  • I do NOT believe Flight 305 was on the WEST side of the Interstate 5 freeway at any time between Seattle and Vancouver/Portland. 
  • This means the flight never came closer than six miles to Tina Bar, at best. If you look at the FBI flight path map in relation to the money find, you see on a direct east/west line that the flight was actually moving AWAY from Tina Bar when it crossed a point where Tina Bar would be to their west. 
  • I do not believe the money fell from the sky as an explanation on how the money arrived. 
  • If the money arrived at Tina Bar via the Columbia River at the same time as the hijacking, then you must also believe it could somehow survive to the condition it was found over a period of almost nine years. Since paper is biodegradable, and paper buried in the wet weather of Washington state tends to rot rather quickly, I think it is doubtful the money was there from 1971-1980. 
  • I do NOT believe the money was deliberately buried at Tina Bar, and that is because of the shards of money that were found scattered at different depths, and slightly different locations. 
  • However...IF the money WAS deliberately buried at Tina Bar, and later moved around by the Fazios somehow...this COULD explain the presence of the shards. 
  • One reason for rejecting the idea that the money was deliberately buried at Tina Bar is because it would serve no useful purpose. Storage? You would protect it better, not just bury the bills. As a red herring? What chance is there that anyone would actually find it? Yes, Brian Ingram found it. But that was a one in a million shot. 
  • Was the money in the Columbia River at ANY time before it arrived at Tina Bar? I think yes. The question is WHEN it was in the water. If you say 1971, then you have to ask how it could end up as intact as it was found after almost a decade of water, weather, and wet winter seasons. 
  • I still believe that somehow...the big announcement that the FBI had bypassed the Statute of Limitations, and that this announcement was big news on TV, the papers, and even on local talk shows in the NW...*may* have been a factor. 
  • Why this could be a factor:  Because for weeks, even months, prior to that action by the FBI...the expiration of the Statute was ALSO being mentioned heavily by those same sources. You have to believe that if Cooper was alive, he was well-aware that the Statute was going to expire on November 24, 1976. As a local here in the Seattle area, I can tell you that many people wondered if Cooper might come forward after the Statute expired. 
  • The big surprise was when the news came out that the FBI had bypassed the Statute. Imagine your disappointment if you were Cooper...and your fear when you realize the FBI is going to be looking for you the rest of your life. It reminds me of the scene with Billy Hayes from the movie Midnight Express, when that Turkish court snatched back Hayes' release date and he found out he wasn't going home, after all:
     
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    "I have fifty-three days left!" 

    In a way, this happened to Cooper. Maybe he's even marking the days on a calendar somewhere, knowing that soon he won't have to sweat it every time someone knocks at his door. And then it all got taken away. Makes you wonder whether the money was actually a desperate attempt to throw off the FBI, make them think he was dead. 

But doing some kind of red herring presents its own set of problems. Dump some money out in the open in the woods, hoping it will be found? Someone might just put it in their pocket. Or even if they turn it in...the FBI will search that area thoroughly. Finding no body, no chute, nothing else...they will conclude Cooper just dropped the money and is still ALIVE. 

Bury it? Maybe no one will ever find it. And if you do it on land, close to the flight path, the FBI will know a human being did that, probably Cooper...and they will know (again) that he is still alive. Purpose defeated. So what do you do?

Toss it into the Columbia, making it impossible to spend because of water damage, having it found later...with the river itself serving as an excuse as to why you can't find a body or anything else nearby? As Tom Hanks said in Cast Away: "This could work."

Maybe. It would explain a lot of things. My personal theory is that the money was deliberately tossed into the Columbia sometime AFTER November 24, 1976, but instead of washing up on some riverbank later...instead was dredged up and deposited at Tina Bar. It would never have been found except for that one-in-a-million shot by Brian Ingram. When people ask me about the money, that is what I say to them. 

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3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Quote Skyjack...

"He fishes around the pockets of his pants for the $19 he received from Flo nearly four hours ago, on the tarmac in Portland, for the bourbon and Seven he ordered and spilled. He offers the change.

 

 

I stand corrected. My memory is failing me in my old age.

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3 hours ago, ParrotheadVol said:

I stand corrected. My memory is failing me in my old age.

Not age, there is seriously too much information.. I have thousands of documents on my computer. I am forgetting the info I already have, spent an hour looking for a Northwest 727 seat chart online and I already had it..

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Most of the people who currently post to this thread, (and some who just lurk) have some extensive...and GOOD information/files...on the Cooper case. And I have a compromise proposal for you. 

Over at the Quora site Everything D.B. Cooper, each time a post is made, it goes out automatically by email to over 1,700 people who voluntarily signed up for the feed. I often share such posts with my personal followers, (about another 500 people)...and sometimes Quora staff, or OTHER Quora members will share your post as well. When a Quora staff member shares, your post will go out to an additional 1,000-10,000 OTHER Quora members. 

In other words, you will reach a LOT of people in a very short time. 

The sticky in all of this is that the Quora program more or less is based on people establishing TRUE identities to ask questions, comment, or answer questions there. And for some of you this seems to be a problem. 

However, although the majority of Quora users DO establish their true identity, I'm sure some of them use pseudonyms here and there. But the ones who do...if Quora members suspect that is what you are doing, they will often downvote your content and it will mysteriously disappear from sight for everyone except YOU. Before you hack on this idea too much, you should know that some really famous people belong to Quora, or have posted there in the past. Famous sports figures, CEOs of corporations, scientists, airline pilots, or people who work for NASA like Robert Frost, who is a flight controller there, and many others. 

Those folks get lots of answer requests, which is expected. Quora prides itself on being a community where anonymity is frowned upon, because other users want to know what gives YOU the right (or the expertise) to answer THIS question or THAT question. Their main concept is transparency. 

I have been racking my brain for a compromise that will allow people in the Cooper case who wish to remain anonymous the chance to become Contributors to the Everything D.B. Cooper site...without having their content just voted out of existence. I haven't come up with a comprehensive plan yet, but I am working on it. If we figure out a way you can do this, you can expect questions regarding the Cooper case to come into your inbox via other Quora members. You will rack up the traffic for sure. You will find out things. You will acquire informational sources, as well as REsources. 

None of this benefits me personally. There are Quora Spaces on many subjects, and most of them have far more followers than the EDBC site. However...if you have a book out there for example, you will get far more sales than you are getting now. If you are just investigating Cooper, your information base will grow. If you have a question that demands an expert, you will get your question answered BY an expert. And this is where Quora really shines. It gives you access to people who might not ordinarily answer a question you need answered. 

My current views to questions and answers at Quora is approaching 2.5 million in less than three years (non-Cooper), and I have expanded my informational base on the Cooper case a great deal more than it was before I joined Quora. Maybe we can work something out. 
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1 minute ago, dudeman17 said:

Not sure why they would cite a 'no tip policy' as a reason not to accept some of the ransom money. To accept and keep some would be a criminal offense. They could have accepted it and returned it to the FBI (and hoped for a bit of a reward).

yup, some other hijackers gave/paid ransom money to crew or passengers, they handed back to authorities...

A hijacker paying off crew is a brilliant idea... they would be compromised witnesses.

 

The tip story and timeline just doesn't ring true.. somebody is being deceptive, it may one or more of the stews or the FBI holding back info.

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5 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

Not sure why they would cite a 'no tip policy' as a reason not to accept some of the ransom money. To accept and keep some would be a criminal offense. They could have accepted it and returned it to the FBI (and hoped for a bit of a reward).

It's possible the stew was just being facetious, an attempt to lighten up the situation a bit. If one of the stews was offered ransom money, she should have ACCEPTED it and put it in her pocket. Maybe they could have gotten prints off it later. Everyone was tired, no one it seems, at least among the stew crew, was on their toes. 

For example, too bad Alice Hancock didn't think to see if anyone in First Class had a camera. She could have removed the flash from it and tried a few quick pictures with the First Class curtain apart just one inch. With all the ambient noise on board a 727 jetliner, Cooper wouldn't have heard a thing. 

NW305 says in part:

Quote

'The packets dropped out of the back of the plane...'

Problem: Flight was no closer than six miles to Tina Bar when it passed the Tina Bar area. And it was actually moving away from the area a bit, to the SE. The bills would have to drift through the air more than six miles. Estimated drift under a parachute of the type Cooper used (according to expert chute guy 377, aka Mark), is no more than a mile in each direction. And that is under a chute. 

What this really comes down to is whether you believe ATC radar, SAGE radar, what the crew said themselves about it, and chase plane reports, etc....or believe Robert99's theory that the flight was way off course. I believe the ATC, the crew, and the chase planes. It has been said that maybe Cooper jumped a bit south of Ariel and not directly OVER Ariel. Okay, I can see that. But was the plane ever on the other side of the I-5 freeway? Not a chance. There are good reasons why on the night of the hijacking, and into the next couple of days why everyone was looking for Cooper either near Ariel, or just south of there. By the time Flight 305 departed Seattle, everyone on the ground was prepared to track the flight. Both the civilian tracking systems and the military were involved. They knew where that flight was the whole damn time. Don't let anyone convince you they did not. They KNEW Cooper was going to jump. Be assured they didn't just wave bye-bye to him as 305 departed with he and the bank's money. They tracked that flight and good, and the crew gave updates and what info they could along the way.

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*On a side note, in preparation for the idea that AB of Seattle will be closing our investigation into the Cooper case at the end of 2020, (we're moving out of state) Greg the Techie Guy has been instructed to begin purging certain files from our computers. 

Over the years, (frankly, to provide evidence of unwarranted and unfair attacks) we collected hundreds of screenshots and other information on these attacks. Most of them are from years ago, and serve no further purpose. They take up nearly 100 GB of computer space, and no longer matter in the larger scheme of things.*

^^^^*Boring Official Statement^^^^ B)

 

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11 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Most of the people who currently post to this thread, (and some who just lurk) have some extensive...and GOOD information/files...on the Cooper case. And I have a compromise proposal for you. 

Over at the Quora site Everything D.B. Cooper, each time a post is made, it goes out automatically by email to over 1,700 people who voluntarily signed up for the feed. I often share such posts with my personal followers, (about another 500 people)...and sometimes Quora staff, or OTHER Quora members will share your post as well. When a Quora staff member shares, your post will go out to an additional 1,000-10,000 OTHER Quora members. 

In other words, you will reach a LOT of people in a very short time. 

The sticky in all of this is that the Quora program more or less is based on people establishing TRUE identities to ask questions, comment, or answer questions there. And for some of you this seems to be a problem. 

However, although the majority of Quora users DO establish their true identity, I'm sure some of them use pseudonyms here and there. But the ones who do...if Quora members suspect that is what you are doing, they will often downvote your content and it will mysteriously disappear from sight for everyone except YOU. Before you hack on this idea too much, you should know that some really famous people belong to Quora, or have posted there in the past. Famous sports figures, CEOs of corporations, scientists, airline pilots, or people who work for NASA like Robert Frost, who is a flight controller there, and many others. 

Those folks get lots of answer requests, which is expected. Quora prides itself on being a community where anonymity is frowned upon, because other users want to know what gives YOU the right (or the expertise) to answer THIS question or THAT question. Their main concept is transparency. 

I have been racking my brain for a compromise that will allow people in the Cooper case who wish to remain anonymous the chance to become Contributors to the Everything D.B. Cooper site...without having their content just voted out of existence. I haven't come up with a comprehensive plan yet, but I am working on it. If we figure out a way you can do this, you can expect questions regarding the Cooper case to come into your inbox via other Quora members. You will rack up the traffic for sure. You will find out things. You will acquire informational sources, as well as REsources. 

None of this benefits me personally. There are Quora Spaces on many subjects, and most of them have far more followers than the EDBC site. However...if you have a book out there for example, you will get far more sales than you are getting now. If you are just investigating Cooper, your information base will grow. If you have a question that demands an expert, you will get your question answered BY an expert. And this is where Quora really shines. It gives you access to people who might not ordinarily answer a question you need answered. 

My current views to questions and answers at Quora is approaching 2.5 million in less than three years (non-Cooper), and I have expanded my informational base on the Cooper case a great deal more than it was before I joined Quora. Maybe we can work something out. 
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Robert: We all get the point about Quora.  It has been discussed ad nauseam. When you post about Quora, it takes focus away from your other content.

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This is why this case is so difficult...

FBI docs, witnesses.... Cooper dictated the following request "two back parachutes and two front parachutes.." 

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This can't be true.. Cooper asked for two chutes then changed it to four. That note can't be accurate.

 

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From the Palmer report..

"The upper layer consisted of six inches to eight inches of reworked beach sand and is the sand which contained the fragments and bundles of the recovered money. This sand also contained soda pop cans and other debris, which were not severely damaged or rusted. The post dredging sand contained older soda pop cans, rusted nails and spikes, and other rusted artifacts, which were in a much more deteriorated condition."

 

The money was in the upper 6-8 inch sand layer which contained other debris that was not severely damaged or rusted..

That indicates the money was deposited more recently.

 

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Robert: We all get the point about Quora.  It has been discussed ad nauseam. When you post about Quora, it takes focus away from your other content.

True enough. But you would be reaching a lot more people with many more opinions...and possibly obtain much better information and answers if you expanded your reach. Right now, all you are doing at Dropzone is sitting in a room with a few other people who have read everything you've had to say several dozen times now. 

When I say 'you' I don't mean you specifically. I mean everyone who participates right now in this thread. But like what's happening over at the Cooper Forum, the audience and the sources are narrow these days. However, I will lay off the suggestions regarding Quora. If anyone changes their mind, I'm not hard to find and easy to contact. 
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Sometimes I wonder if the Dixie Dog is still open in Fordyce, AK. That's the place Flo Schaffner used to hang out with her friends, before she became a stew, and later...when she got breaks from her job. Let me go and look...

Okay, no. It's gone. Picture below. Maybe that is Cooper as a kid in the picture, though. B) Or not.
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6 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

This can't be true.. Cooper asked for two chutes then changed it to four. That note can't be accurate.

He may have just been clarifying his demand, not changing it. If he at first said 'gimme two chutes', he may have had in mind two complete rigs. In those days the mains and reserves were separate items. You'd put on the backpack main, then attach the front-mount reserve. So his later demand for two backs and two fronts may have just been to make sure he got two complete rigs.

That they gave him those bailout rigs instead of mains, that and some other things are puzzling to me. But that'll have to be a different post...

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The note dictated by Schaffner was the first demand communication = 4 chutes.

If, as the FBI noted and he changed his demand from 2 chutes to 4 then that initial note is incorrect. 

Flo was recalling the text in the note,,

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Not to pooh-pooh this line of thought, but it really doesn't matter if Cooper asked for two, four, or sixteen chutes. What matters is what happened to the one he actually jumped with?

Where is it now? 

Personally, I think it's sitting somewhere at the FBI building in downtown Seattle. 

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22 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Not to pooh-pooh this line of thought, but it really doesn't matter if Cooper asked for two, four, or sixteen chutes. What matters is what happened to the one he actually jumped with?

Where is it now? 

Personally, I think it's sitting somewhere at the FBI building in downtown Seattle. 

The number of chutes wasn't the point..

It is the frustration of dealing with conflicts and inconsistencies within the FBI files..

 

If Flo's recall of the parachute demand in the note isn't correct,, what else is not correct.

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5 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

Well you know the notes and the sequences better than I do, I'm just saying that his references to "two" rigs comprising of "four" chutes may not be as inconsistent as they seem.

Agreed.  Two chutes in his mind may very well have meant four actual parachutes/two full rigs.  If this is the case, then it could be that he never thought of taking a hostage with him on the jump, and it simply could have been because he wanted two sets of chutes, thinking that the FBI would not have sabotaged all four.

For a dummy chute to have shown up in the group still perplexes me.  Apparently the dummy was stored near the regular chutes, but to me that is like storing cyanide in on the same shelf as your aspirin.  It just does not make sense.

I figure he thought the government would try to sabotage his chute, so he needed to do something to lower the risk.  This could be why he asked for four chutes, or maybe he really did want them to think he was taking a hostage.  If this is the case, then it indicates some serious pre-planning and thinking out possible scenarios.

Through some research I learned that some aircrews would only have jumped with a reserve.  They would have had to grab it quickly, hook it on, and jump.  The reserves were smaller and took up less space.  That way they could fly wearing a harness, and in the remote chance that they had to jump, they would grab the reserve.  A low altitude jump (plane about to crash) would not have allowed time for two chutes.  If the main failed, a crewman would have hit the ground before he had time to deploy his reserve, hence just jumping with one.

I'm trying to remember here.  He left a good back chute on the plane, and a good reserve that he opened.  Which means he jumped with a good main, and a bad reserve. Right?

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