FLYJACK 489 #60701 March 9 3 minutes ago, olemisscub said: Ugh, more metallurgy talk. "Up to 18% antimony" appears on four Vordahl patents for actual alloys being created, they just predate the tie era by a few years. If you can find another place in America where you can prove that they were creating TiSb alloys in similar percentages, then please I'd genuinely like to know. Battelle in the early 50's, Crucible, and Sprague are the only places who are ever on record in the United States creating alloys with that high percentage of antimony. That's a very small field. And yes, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...someone else could have been screwing around in a lab making a TiSb alloy, but those 3 particles, if they are indeed an alloy, ARE a good lead. Again, there's only one guy whose name appears on more than one TiSb alloy patent where the Sb is that high, and it's Vordahl. So I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Vordahl's work is the proximate cause for that experimental alloy ending up on Cooper's tie, whomever Cooper was. As I've said, if that's the case, I think it likely it's derived from TIMET outside Vegas, not Cru in PA. I've not found any evidence of layoffs in 71 with Crucible. Ryan, you are smarter than that.. There is no evidence in that patent that TiSb was actually produced in the 18% or any % for that patent. Patents are written that way to capture possibilities,, You guys have misrepresented the information in the patent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 195 #60702 March 9 12 minutes ago, FLYJACK said: The towel for Cooper's seat was extremely dirty/soiled/stained.. vs the next one. I can't imagine anything the FBI doing anything.. is there any test that would produce that. Was it dye from Cooper's hair??... ala Mitchell looks to be a fingerprint smudge or an artifact of the film itself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 195 #60703 March 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FLYJACK said: Ryan, you are smarter than that.. There is no evidence in that patent that TiSb was actually produced in the 18% or any % for that patent. Patents are written that way to capture possibilities,, You guys have misrepresented the information in the patent. Ok, forget that patent then. Can you find any other places that actually made TiSb alloys with high percentage antimony than those listed? Edited March 9 by olemisscub Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 489 #60704 March 9 1 minute ago, olemisscub said: looks to be a fingerprint smudge or an artifact of the film itself. Doesn't look like a film artifact.. probably a smudge... time had passed, it might not even be the same towel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAGdb 28 #60705 March 9 Doesn't the FBI have the chair somewhere ? Or they took it out of the plane at the time ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 195 #60706 March 9 17 minutes ago, JAGdb said: Doesn't the FBI have the chair somewhere ? Or they took it out of the plane at the time ? They removed the last 3 rows of seats. No idea where Cooper’s seat is now. Would be a cool piece for a museum. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 489 #60707 March 9 15 minutes ago, olemisscub said: Ok, forget that patent then. Can you find any other places that actually made TiSb alloys with high percentage antimony than those listed? Not exactly... 3 particles of over 100,000 is a small sample.. I found that Ti and Sb are particulates in jet engine exhaust and Diesel engine exhaust.. Ti and Sb was used in electronics... Trying to find a matching commercial alloy from the 60's is a red herring. It is not possible to pin down the source. You also have military and trade secret stuff.. The patent is a classic error in logic, the seen vs the unseen.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 195 #60708 March 9 Ulis on TV. I really don’t like this lawsuit. It’s my opinion that a DNA recovery specialist needed to make the initial request. I think if a credentialed DNA lab sent in a request (non-FOIA) to try and recover DNA from a particular spot on Cooper’s tie that the FBI perhaps would have granted the request. Or at least have Tom make the request since there is already precedent for him having access. Eric is just a random dude to them, of course they aren’t going to give him access, especially when he didn’t have someone lined up already. I advised him on a FB Live a month or so ago that his lawsuit would carry a lot more weight if the DNA lab was part of the suit. I’m concerned that suing the FBI is just going to piss them off and that we’ll never get access again. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 195 #60709 March 9 3 minutes ago, FLYJACK said: Not exactly... 3 particles of over 100,000 is a small sample.. I found that Ti and Sb are particulates in jet engine exhaust and Diesel engine exhaust.. Ti and Sb was used in electronics... Trying to find a matching commercial alloy from the 60's is a red herring. It is not possible to pin down the source. You also have military and trade secret stuff.. The patent is a classic error in logic, the seen vs the unseen.. OK, you win. I’ll cry Uncle. I don’t want to talk about bloody metallurgy anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 489 #60710 March 9 5 minutes ago, olemisscub said: Ulis on TV. I really don’t like this lawsuit. It’s my opinion that a DNA recovery specialist needed to make the initial request. I think if a credentialed DNA lab sent in a request (non-FOIA) to try and recover DNA from a particular spot on Cooper’s tie that the FBI perhaps would have granted the request. Or at least have Tom make the request since there is already precedent for him having access. Eric is just a random dude to them, of course they aren’t going to give him access, especially when he didn’t have someone lined up already. I advised him on a FB Live a month or so ago that his lawsuit would carry a lot more weight if the DNA lab was part of the suit. I’m concerned that suing the FBI is just going to piss them off and that we’ll never get access again. The DNA is the only way to get a 100% solution and Eric is risking that by not doing this properly. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 489 #60711 March 9 January 1970... intelligence document Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 106 #60712 March 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, olemisscub said: Ulis on TV. I really don’t like this lawsuit. It’s my opinion that a DNA recovery specialist needed to make the initial request. I think if a credentialed DNA lab sent in a request (non-FOIA) to try and recover DNA from a particular spot on Cooper’s tie that the FBI perhaps would have granted the request. Or at least have Tom make the request since there is already precedent for him having access. Eric is just a random dude to them, of course they aren’t going to give him access, especially when he didn’t have someone lined up already. I advised him on a FB Live a month or so ago that his lawsuit would carry a lot more weight if the DNA lab was part of the suit. I’m concerned that suing the FBI is just going to piss them off and that we’ll never get access again. Hilarious! The ever-vigilent news media is right on Ulis' tail feathers, following his every stunt in the Cooper Thunderdome. Edited March 9 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WalterRaleigh 3 #60713 March 9 19 hours ago, olemisscub said: Ulis on TV. I really don’t like this lawsuit. It’s my opinion that a DNA recovery specialist needed to make the initial request. I think if a credentialed DNA lab sent in a request (non-FOIA) to try and recover DNA from a particular spot on Cooper’s tie that the FBI perhaps would have granted the request. Or at least have Tom make the request since there is already precedent for him having access. Eric is just a random dude to them, of course they aren’t going to give him access, especially when he didn’t have someone lined up already. I advised him on a FB Live a month or so ago that his lawsuit would carry a lot more weight if the DNA lab was part of the suit. I’m concerned that suing the FBI is just going to piss them off and that we’ll never get access again. A wise judge once said, "sometimes a lawsuit is just a press release with a filing fee." 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 195 #60714 March 10 Gregory says Cooper had his glasses off briefly at a certain point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 489 #60715 March 10 16 minutes ago, olemisscub said: Gregory says Cooper had his glasses off briefly at a certain point. That was posted before,, I think Gregory got a look at the eye/brow shape or characteristics but not eye colour,, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 195 #60716 March 10 Just now, FLYJACK said: That was posted before,, I think Gregory got a look at the eye/brow shape or characteristics but not eye colour,, this matches up... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 195 #60717 March 10 What do we make of this discrepancy? The "cockpit can put it down" line is essentially a silver bullet for any suspect who had flown or was intimately familiar with the 727, since they would have known that the cockpit didn't have the controls to do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 489 #60718 March 10 36 minutes ago, olemisscub said: What do we make of this discrepancy? The "cockpit can put it down" line is essentially a silver bullet for any suspect who had flown or was intimately familiar with the 727, since they would have known that the cockpit didn't have the controls to do that. True, probably had general aviation knowledge or from a C-130.. But, this is the Vortex nothing is easy,,,, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 195 #60719 March 10 It’s almost as if individual words sometimes matter… Ridiculous that one of the premier law enforcement agencies on the planet didn’t audio record their interviews. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 489 #60720 March 10 5 minutes ago, olemisscub said: It’s almost as if individual words sometimes matter… Ridiculous that one of the premier law enforcement agencies on the planet didn’t audio record their interviews. The FBI had a reputation for not recording interviews so they could let's say engineer 302's to fit their purpose,, several court cases later many States require the FBI to record interviews.. Lack of recording interviews was a feature not a bug.. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 106 #60721 March 10 (edited) 12 hours ago, WalterRaleigh said: A wise judge once said, "sometimes a lawsuit is just a press release with a filing fee." Much depends on what the FBI wants to do! They could suck up to Ulis and use him, then let the clock run, then drop him or trade him for a can of chicken soup when the time comes. In any event: sooner or later its Ulis who ? Ulis needs to find another career! After the last one and the one before that . . . How about a cooking show? Chef Ulinaise ? Or cats ? Or grapes and watermelons ? Or Alligators? Or Skin Walker Ranch? Searching for Cleopatra and the Lost Arc of the Covenant ? He can sue Egypt and Israel for hiding evidence .. Edited March 10 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 489 #60722 March 10 (edited) This has been touched on before.. it is very interesting but frustrating because the redactions mean we can't follow up on it... It may be a hoax or unrelated,,, Washougal was the base for many logging companies.. "operating out of the Washougal, Washington area." but it isn't clear where the money was actually found. Quantity of old $20's.. It was just prior to the TBAR discovery.. The date of this report is the end of April.. (Spring/Summer diatoms timing) Follow up,, negative.. Edited March 10 by FLYJACK 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 489 #60723 March 10 Witness recall study... "under estimate the height of taller subjects and overestimate the height of shorter targets." "a regression to the mean" or witnesses recall tends toward average.. This didn't touch on a stressful situation... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 489 #60724 March 10 (edited) I think I have the first code... Have been working on the second code 7698QA2753... The first code type matches the letter, the second one was typed on a different typewriter. Two typewriters?? The letter was typed out then copied and the codes were added, presumably 4 letters with distinct codes, we only have the two codes, the other two are unknown or not sent to the FBI. The code resembles a MGRS coordinate.. found one that matches a location in Laos.. ( Los Angeles) might just be a coincidence.,, any ideas for that second code.. Edited March 10 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 195 #60725 March 10 19 minutes ago, FLYJACK said: Witness recall study... "under estimate the height of taller subjects and overestimate the height of shorter targets." "a regression to the mean" or witnesses recall tends toward average.. This didn't touch on a stressful situation... The most comprehensive study I've seen on eyewitness accuracy was a study done by Dutch academics. They found that 44% of eyewitnesses were able to get within an inch. So if 44% of witnesses chose 6'1 for a height, then the actual perp was between 6'0 and 6'2. 34% of people were given a "partly correct" assessment, which means they got within two inches, so if they chose 6'1 then the person was actually 5'11 or 6'3. And as you can see 22% fell outside that range on their estimations. As far as eyewitnesses overestimating the height of criminals during a crime (when they are aware of the crime), that's pretty much settled science at this point. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
