olemisscub 232 #60051 January 6 1 hour ago, FLYJACK said: and about giving money to the stewardesses? “I got $500 in 1s. $2,000 in 10s. That was in a paper bag and when I saw it I told 4 stewardesses standing near me that this is worthless and not what I ordered. I gave the girls $1,500 tip after they said they'd not turn it in. They lied!! When I hit the ground I had $300 in my pocket.” 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 232 #60052 January 6 This is a hell of a front page with the car that rammed McNally's jet and the Cooper reference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 502 #60053 January 6 8 minutes ago, olemisscub said: "Moving like hell" Also came across this from an article on McNally a while back Similar.. For the McCoy hijacking the crew also noticed a pressure change when he jumped... But the key is whether there were any oscillations before the jump as he was on the stairs. For Cooper there were oscillation seen on the gauge culminating in a physical pressure bump aka large oscillation. This bump/oscillation sequence sequence has been interpreted differently, to move the LZ, IMO, the FBI got it right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 232 #60054 January 6 What to make of this.... This is the first instance I've found where Cossey says something contrary to the facts. Is this the beginning of Cossey's inconsistencies or is this perhaps the person writing the report getting this detail backwards? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 502 #60055 January 6 12 hours ago, olemisscub said: "Moving like hell" Also came across this from an article on McNally a while back Ok, here the FBI 302 from McCoy's hijacking... "change in pressure was felt".. they immediately went back to check and McCoy was gone.. The "hijacker" jumping causes a pressure fluctuation seen as rapid increase in oscillations on the needle of the pressure gauge,, an extreme fluctuation is also felt as a "bump"... Simultaneously, the bump is felt and an oscillation is seen on the gauge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 502 #60056 January 6 59 minutes ago, olemisscub said: What to make of this.... This is the first instance I've found where Cossey says something contrary to the facts. Is this the beginning of Cossey's inconsistencies or is this perhaps the person writing the report getting this detail backwards? I saw that, probably an error by the writer,, Cossey has been consistent.. In another version of that doc that line appears to be crossed out with an initial. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 502 #60057 January 6 Dr. Roberts is off the reservation again.. the entire premise of this blog post is false. https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/23277907-d-b-cooper-and-flight-305-the-soderlind-track The SAGE map was available prior to Dec 2, 1971. It was in the possession of the FBI and forwarded. So, the FBI and Soderlind had the SAGE map prior to his Dec 4th jump zone analysis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 502 #60058 January 7 This is amazing, for years I have been pointing out that Ulis had the tie manufacture date wrong.. He finally claims he figured it all out as 1964... no you didn't, we already knew it. and I have always said the only way this thing gets solved 100% is using new DNA tech.. Vince Petersen's hair is parted on the wrong side in all three images, the right.. Cooper was the left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 502 #60059 January 7 (edited) I don't think the hair is a dog,, it looks like cashmere.. aka Goat hair.. Wool is very similar.. Tom's image from the tie... Wool and Cashmere.. Vintage (1970) Men's Cashmere overcoat.. Wool Edited January 7 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 232 #60060 January 7 (edited) Tina - topcoat Flo - overcoat Alice - trench coat Hal - raincoat Bill - raincoat House - overcoat Frustrating. Alice's specificity makes me think it was more of a trench coat. A trench coat could be referred to as a topcoat or overcoat but I don't think anyone would call a heavy topcoat a trench coat. Edited January 7 by olemisscub Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 122 #60061 January 7 (edited) On 1/2/2023 at 10:44 AM, FLYJACK said: Is Brian 100% sure it was fabric softener or has his memory drifted over time? but they only separated few bills on top/bottom of the packets.. The bill Tom examined looks like it was from the middle,, based on condition. Somebody should ask Brian about the rubber bands in detail.. Where exactly were they attached, were they attached to all packets and all sides, when did they fall off. Who knows what Brian remembers .......... or has been fed over the years by a whole assortment of people ? Back in the day (2008-10) Brian told a number of people he didnt remember anything. Bruce Smith, for example, didnt even bother to interview Brian after Kaye reported Brian saying 'he doesnt remember anything'. In 1980 standing on Tena Bar Brian was, in fact, only eight years old. The last thing in Brian's mind in 1980 was the CB Cooper case. Brian has matured and developed since then. His concerns and agenda is different today. I have never detected that Brian, as a person, has anything technical to contribute to the Cooper case - but today he does have many 'opinions' about it all, including 'opinions' he has been fed by various people who entered his life because of the Cooper saga. One Cooper player told me 'point blank' that Brian needed 'guidance in his life' and he, the Cooper icon, was giving Brian advice - sometimes daily - about what Brian should do or not do and who and whom Brian should be dealing with. Tom Kaye was on Brian's approved list, for example. Does Brian remember anything about the rubber bands' ? Who knows! Brian himself may not remember 'what he remembers' about the rubber bands, because Brian may not remember what he is going to remember and say next Tuesday until next Tuesday arrives! In the meantime there are people in Brian's life more than willing to tell Brian 'what to think and say and remember, and to whom'! That is a fact no one can deny today! In that environment, nothing is pristine or uncontaminated, as if Brian was still eight years old. Brian's eight year old mind is long gone and unreachable, even by Brian himself! Edited January 7 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 122 #60062 January 7 (edited) Robert H. Edwards's Blog: Great 20th century mysteries January 6, 2023 D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: the Soderlind track The evolution of a flight path by Soderlind and others... More new evidence. Edited January 7 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 502 #60063 January 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, georger said: Robert H. Edwards's Blog: Great 20th century mysteries January 6, 2023 D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: the Soderlind track The evolution of a flight path by Soderlind and others... More new evidence. Edwards is out to lunch,, He assumes Soderlind didn't have the AF flightpath while the FBI did. He falsely believes the pressure bump and oscillations are completely different events separated by minutes. Wrong. He fails to recognize that Ratazcak SAID he was manually flying the plane to just before Reno.. and Rataczak said he felt Cooper on the stairs. Why, because he was manually flying the plane. He fails to recognize that the FDR has the compass heading which Soderlind would have had. He fails understand that the "suburbs of Portland" comment was the call to Soderlind minutes after Cooper jumped.. Rataczak was giving a reference point... he did not say Cooper jumped in the suburbs of Portland. Edited January 8 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dudeman17 240 #60064 January 8 What happened with Shutter's forum? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 122 #60065 January 8 (edited) 52 minutes ago, dudeman17 said: What happened with Shutter's forum? Was wondering the same thing. He evidently has closed his site to members only - outsider's cant even read it! That is how it appears. ? I emailed Chaucer and Shutter, but no reply yet... ? Edited January 8 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 232 #60066 January 8 18 minutes ago, georger said: Was wondering the same thing. He evidently has closed his site to members only - outsider's cant even read it! That is how it appears. ? I emailed Chaucer and Shutter, but no reply yet... ? I'm a member and I can't see anything either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 502 #60067 January 8 Lyle Cameron was an FBI informant (PSI) before NORJAK.. recruited based on his interactions with Russians. Cameron's connection to Jack Ruby.. Cameron was to publish the Cooper sketch and narrative. Cameron's strange death in Honduras.. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 122 #60068 January 8 (edited) 5 hours ago, olemisscub said: I'm a member and I can't see anything either. This will resolve in a few days; give it time. Dave has been contacted ....... this sounds like a glitch of some kind which always happens when the owners of the site make some change without notifying people. Dave has had to face that before, Just give it some time . . . I hope Dave is OK and no reason to think he isn't. Edited January 8 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CooperNWO305 105 #60069 January 8 7 hours ago, georger said: This will resolve in a few days; give it time. Dave has been contacted ....... this sounds like a glitch of some kind which always happens when the owners of the site make some change without notifying people. Dave has had to face that before, Just give it some time . . . I hope Dave is OK and no reason to think he isn't. Hopefully it comes back. Having multiple forums to discuss the case helps keep the discussion equitable. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WalterRaleigh 4 #60070 January 8 14 hours ago, FLYJACK said: Lyle Cameron was an FBI informant (PSI) before NORJAK.. recruited based on his interactions with Russians. Cameron's connection to Jack Ruby.. Cameron was to publish the Cooper sketch and narrative. Cameron's strange death in Honduras.. Cooper - Cameron - Ruby - Oswald - Mexico - Sturgis - Hunt - Hahneman - Honduras Can't help but shake the feeling it's all connected somehow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 122 #60071 January 8 2 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said: Hopefully it comes back. Having multiple forums to discuss the case helps keep the discussion equitable. Chaucer got hold of Dave. Dave is now aware of the problem. Give Dave time; he is traveling. Sounds like the site will be back ... take care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 502 #60072 January 8 (edited) 5 hours ago, WalterRaleigh said: Cooper - Cameron - Ruby - Oswald - Mexico - Sturgis - Hunt - Hahneman - Honduras Can't help but shake the feeling it's all connected somehow. yes, it is all strange,,, and why was Cameron an FBI informant and not a CIA informant (maybe he was)... the FBI initially investigated him thinking he was compromised by the Russian's and then decided his foreign contacts could yield information so they recruited him,, seems that is CIA turf not FBI.. and this oddity,,, https://thecinemaholic.com/where-is-florence-schaffner-now/ "Plus, there is also the fact that Florence claims to have been stalked for months after the incident. She alleges that a man followed her and boarded several Northwest planes she was flying on, and when she finally confronted him, he revealed that he knew the hijacker from prison. Alleging that the latter wanted to talk to her, he apparently said to Florence, “I want to tell you, this guy is not just a hijacker. He was in the Bay of Pigs. This guy works for the CIA.” Thankfully, nothing ever became of it." Edited January 9 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 232 #60073 January 8 Tina is pretty consistent in her statements throughout the 302’s that she never got a good look at him. Always seems hard to believe, but perhaps she didn’t get a good look at him because she didn’t want to look at him directly for fear of upsetting him. She may have been doing the strategy where you look away from the perp if you’re being robbed so they don’t get agitated and think you’re trying to eyeball them. fwiw, the photo she’s looking at in this 302 is an unknown Canadian suspect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 502 #60074 January 9 1 hour ago, olemisscub said: Tina is pretty consistent in her statements throughout the 302’s that she never got a good look at him. Always seems hard to believe, but perhaps she didn’t get a good look at him because she didn’t want to look at him directly for fear of upsetting him. She may have been doing the strategy where you look away from the perp if you’re being robbed so they don’t get agitated and think you’re trying to eyeball them. fwiw, the photo she’s looking at in this 302 is an unknown Canadian suspect. or she is hiding something... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dudeman17 240 #60075 January 9 21 hours ago, FLYJACK said: Cameron's strange death in Honduras.. That last document you posted, where Lyle Jr. talks about Sr., what is that from? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
