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'Robert, TMN hasn't changed since you were banned and you probably didn't use a proxy server there because you can just change the email address. Bruce openly tells people he doesn't know how to track so people would take advantage of that, no? it's not right some of things said there but it is what it is...'

All comments at WordPress are recorded for the owner under the poster's IP address, username, and the email address given. It is a simple matter to ban using one or all of those parameters. 'It is what it is,' you say. And I am what I am, for what it is worth. 

As for the rest of it, I have no idea what you are talking about. To paraphrase Martin Sheen:

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"There was so much bullshit in Vietnam...(substitute 'the DB Cooper case')...that you needed wings to stay above it..."

Consider me the guy who has a set of wings. I keep people informed on the truth. When you do that on a controversial subject...some folks are not going to appreciate your efforts very much. That is a given. Especially those few people in Cooperland who have an agenda going, practice exclusion, or use their position in Cooperland to take advantage. We will not go into that right now.

But everyone else seems to appreciate the idea that at least ONE person out there on the internet will give it to you straight. 

As far as the discussion forum I have going where there are few, if any posts, the reason it exists is for the day (when and if) the boys in Los Angeles decide to make an official announcement on the Cooper movie. At that point, I figure I will need it. Until then, there is Dropzone Cooper and your website to do the public discussions. A third discussion forum on the case by me is not needed right now. 

You and a few of your friends spent a great deal of time and effort trying to shut out other voices in the Cooper case. And for about two years, this worked pretty good I will admit. But then two things happened. First, Dropzone reopened this thread. Second, the staff at Quora dot com invited us to create the Cooper Space at Quora. Ever since that time, public internet attention has shifted AWAY from Bruce Smith's hate-filled website, and TOWARD both Dropzone and the Cooper Space at Quora. In fact the Cooper Space is now the number one most-visited, most commented upon website on the Cooper case. Selected posts there can go out (with full content included) to over 80,000 people by email at the same time. (This doesn't include the actual followers at Quora Cooper, numbering about 900, or my personal folks, another 500 or so.) For example, I was asked my opinion on whether Cooper died in the jump...this question came to me a few days back. My answer has already garnered more than 17,000 views and nearly 50 upvotes. This is typical, though...not the exception. 

So as far as Cooper discussions go, I must be doing something right. Truth is, I turned the tables on the negative folk and it wasn't even that difficult to do. 

As far as calling out this situation, or that person out, on anything regarding the Cooper case, I will continue to do that if I think it's warranted. If you guys were smart, and actually cared about the case, you would remove your blinders and face facts. As far as Cooper discussions, Cooper events, or anything else Cooper goes...there is a new sheriff in town. But unlike the people who previously held that post, I believe in truth, a complete lack of name calling, and full inclusion for everyone as long as they have more to contribute than simply going after other people for no good reason. That behavior caused the Portland Cooper event to be canceled, disappointing a LOT of people (more than you realize) and left Cooperland with EU's watered-down version. However, I learned from that. If I decide to sponsor any future Cooper events other than the Cooper Campouts, I will come up with them on my own. I won't offer suggestions, or partner up with anyone else unless they can be trusted. 

Now if someone has a justifiable reason to 'go after' someone or something that has to do with the case or the public...that is a different story entirely. But they have to be fair about it. One example came about a week ago. Someone posted an article at Quora giving reasons why KC was NOT the hijacker. I went ahead and posted it to the Cooper Quora space without an argument about it. All views should be heard there, even if they don't agree with mine. The article contained no personal attacks, no name-calling, no innuendo against me personally. So I approved it, even though it wasn't from one of our assigned 'contributors' to the Cooper case. ('Contributors' can post whatever they wish, that right being given to them by me, the admin for the Cooper Space.)

Anyone WANTING contributor status...well, that is a big responsibility and I don't assign that right casually. Why not? Because then this person represents the Cooper Space and can conceivably reach more than 80,000 people at the same time via email with their posted content. And that's a serious thing. But if you think you qualify and can be responsible about it...then just see THIS POST at Dropzone to find out how you can join this group. No one is automatically excluded except two people. One is Bruce. The other is Georger. They haven't the steadiness or sense of fairness to handle the job. Everyone else will be taken on a case by case basis. 

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Robert, this isn't a competition. people research the case. it has nothing to do with views. you keep bringing that up. the public has done nothing to advance the case. television shows with MILLIONS of views cause a small spike in the community. 80,000 people and 50 up votes. should be in the thousands? 

This is not a Cooper thread. it's a gossip forum. Cooper comes in second here..might as well start calling the thread "The Mueller Report" 

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I have a DB Cooper forum for people to discuss the case. it's not designed to seek out billions of people to solve the case. it's a place to discuss Cooper. this site is for that purpose as well. sadly, it doesn't occur. it's all about Quora and views? 

What is it that you want from me? 

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4 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

Robert, this isn't a competition. people research the case. it has nothing to do with views. you keep bringing that up. the public has done nothing to advance the case. television shows with MILLIONS of views cause a small spike in the community. 80,000 people and 50 up votes. should be in the thousands? 

This is not a Cooper thread. it's a gossip forum. Cooper comes in second here..might as well start calling the thread "The Mueller Report" 

It isn't a competition? Sure it IS. And at the same time it really isn't. 

What's the point of covering anything if no one sees your stuff, if no one is interested in it? 

No interest in the Cooper case? Maybe not where you live, I don't know. When we were planning the Portland event earlier this year, Jim Brunberg suggested we might have to use Revolution Hall instead, rather than Mississippi Studios. He was getting a lot of interest, and wasn't sure M. Studios could hold all the attendees. Revolution Hall is an 1,800 seat venue. 

Of course there is a great deal of interest in the case. Why bother with anything that doesn't cater to that interest? Hell...I get questions on the case from people in frickin' ASIA sometimes, or places in Europe, or Australia. 

I don't consider our activities with Quora Cooper and the other places on the internet as 'direct competition' with either Dropzone or the DB Cooper Forum. Both of them serve a purpose. I simply took things to the next level. 

Hell, if you are going to make a serious effort to keep the Cooper case alive in the minds of the public, you may as well give it your best shot and actually REACH people. B| Otherwise, what is the point? I think I have done that well enough, and the whole thing only started rolling ten months ago. We've done pretty good since then. It can only get better. I only received the ability to get Contributor posts out to those 80,000 people by email two weeks ago. Nothing but up from here, I hope. 

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23 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

It's just that people shouldn't be afraid to ask questions if they are curious.

Something you should of done in 2018 during the construction of a conference instead of threatening a country club with a phony law suit you couldn't afford. one of these days someone will call you out..

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22 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

It isn't a competition? Sure it IS. And at the same time it really isn't.

I do this as a hobby Robert. when will you understand that. my life is full and doesn't have a lot of space for a 50 year old unsolved hijacking. I have a web forum that has members that have been on television, proven new evidence. what else do you want from me? no, it is not a competition what so ever. that's a myth in your mind. 

I have a Cooper vault full of files. millions of views from the forum that HAS attracted producers. one recently joined to add to the others. you want to post on Quora, raise hell, you have my vote. get a billion views...stop pushing it on me. I guess I should harp on you since you like video's and fail to attempt to become a partner on YT. the second largest search engine and you ignore it. should I make a couple articles? are you posting them on Quora? they have low views. something you blast others for? get the 80,000 there and become a partner? 

"I get questions on the case from people in frickin' ASIA sometimes, or places in Europe, or Australia. "

Do you think you are the only one that gets emails from other countries? 

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35 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

Something you should of done in 2018 during the construction of a conference instead of threatening a country club with a phony law suit you couldn't afford. one of these days someone will call you out..

I shouldn't have bothered with that...all those silly comments about KC and Bernie Geestman were coming from Bruce Smith's Mountain News. Your one-stop shopping site for anything crazy and hateful regarding the Cooper case.

It was actually a couple of KC's family members who had the real objections anyway. I told them I would try to stop it. Which I did, by the way. The Yacht Club didn't cancel the venue because of my suggestion they could be held liable. They canceled when they saw the postings at Bruce's site. It's a prestigious organization, and like Jim Brunberg, they didn't want anything to do with the stupid bickering in the Cooper case. 

This just went to prove that when people post up hateful trash in the Cooper case, it often backfires on them because the MAJORITY of the public sees it not as VALID...but disgusting. 

Over at the Quora Space on Cooper, there is no such problem. Contributors must establish a legitimate profile to even be considered for permission to post their content there. It's a Quora thing, mostly. They are famous for this policy, and it has paid off for them. 

 

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No, you shouldn't have. to believe someone would spend hard earned cash to gossip about a suspect in the DB Cooper case is ridiculous. I'm glad to hear you admit it. you have had your fare share of garbage Robert. it's a never ending cycle. if not one person mentioned your name for a year you would still be pounding away at the keys ranting about the past. you go as far back as 2011, even before I was around. 

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23 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

No, you shouldn't have. to believe someone would spend hard earned cash to gossip about a suspect in the DB Cooper case is ridiculous. I'm glad to hear you admit it. you have had your fare share of garbage Robert. it's a never ending cycle. if not one person mentioned your name for a year you would still be pounding away at the keys ranting about the past. you go as far back as 2011, even before I was around. 

And maybe you and a couple of your friends should not have helped trash the biggest Cooper party in Northwest history by bad-mouthing me to the organizers...who were sick and tired of the Cooper-related bickering.

The funny part is that I wasn't even involved. I just arranged a couple of the guests and was to contribute $1,000 for the Cooper Lookalike contest. You guys somehow thought I was actually running the thing. Now you have to settle for the EU version instead. You guys shoot yourselves in the foot so much, I'm surprised some of you aren't confined to wheelchairs by now. B|

No worries. We learned from this experience. And the Cooper Campout for October 4-6 is full up for customers. 

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Robert, or should I say WALL....I was asked a question and answered it honestly. that is not helping trash anything. did I use your MO and say "I warned them about you" ? it's okay when you do it? I repeat. a question was asked. the typical global thing to do is respond to said question. Bruce gave a list of things he wanted from you which is his right to do as well if he was to work with anything surrounding you with any given project. if you had not done all of the things I mentioned numerous times before. we would not be having this conflict. 

To repeat.....when someone asks a question they expect an honest response. that's what I gave. if I was to lie I would of said Robert is a nice guy who gets along with everyone in the Cooper community and never says a word about others? he never threatens law suits or puts people down or makes articles about people that are not true. he's never spoken ill about a life long friend who died just weeks previous to a horrible statement or posting a mugshot. never called people lowlife scumbags. he's never threatened to turn someone in to the bar association threatening his law license. never posted private phone numbers.  is this a sample of what I should of said? 

I don't really care what Jim did regarding the whole thing. I gave my answer and that is that. you don't like the truth or I shouldn't have "given it straight" ? now, it's my fault for telling it straight. should of lied? 

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Let me see if I can understand this logic. it's okay to read often that you go to producers and other media outlets and "warn them about us" and not being asked BUT if I'm asked a question about you it becomes wrong and causes an event to be cancelled BUT again it's okay for you to "warn people" that could cause cancellation to any given event going on during that conversation? perfectly okay?????????? just checking to make sure we are on the same page lol. 

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No, I don't think you should lie. I kind of knew what you guys would do once Eric was offered the hosting job. You can justify all you wish...but now you have to settle for the alternate event in November. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't.

Like I said...I did learn one thing from the experience. I learned that if AB of Seattle ever tries to organize a Cooper event beyond just the campouts, we will be organizing it on our own this time. No worries. I'm not planning on doing that for a while yet. 

Brunberg's main reason for backing out of the Cooper Party in Portland was only partially based on you and your friends' emails. He was mainly just tired of the lack of cooperation and the bitching. That's all water under the bridge now. 

While you and your friends were bad-mouthing me via your poison-pen emails, I was busy trying to bring all of you together for the biggest Cooper event ever conceived. I actually agreed to the idea that Eric should host the event. I also suggested that all of the speakers from the last convention be scheduled to speak. The only difference is that instead of a dozen or so people in the audience, there would be HUNDREDS of people listening to every word. You guys cheated yourselves, not me. I have moved on. I contacted the other people who were scheduled to appear and explained what happened. Most of them agreed that if a future event were held in Seattle, and that if AB of Seattle was going to host it...they would be open to a re-schedule. I told them we would do that once an announcement is released on the Cooper film. But not before. 

EDIT:  I did not 'warn' producers about you and your friends. The guys who were researching the Cooper movie went to your website months BEFORE they ever contacted me. It is not my fault they did not like what they saw. Back then, you and yours were pretty heavy with the negativity there, you know...that has since relented, but the damage was done. In fact, you went so negative on me that it actually got their curiosity up and they contacted me. They wanted to know why I never responded to the negative comments. I told them because it wasn't allowed. 

 

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6 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

You can justify all you wish...but now you have to settle for the alternate event in November. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't

Nothing to justify in answering truthful to a question?

10 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

Let me see if I can understand this logic. it's okay to read often that you go to producers and other media outlets and "warn them about us" and not being asked BUT if I'm asked a question about you it becomes wrong and causes an event to be cancelled BUT again it's okay for you to "warn people" that could cause cancellation to any given event going on during that conversation? perfectly okay?????????? just checking to make sure we are on the same page lol.

 

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Your version.
Of the truth. 

Okay, that's great. Your results on that speak for themselves. This is what Brunberg and a few other people have tried to tell you all along...that sometimes people don't get along, but the best results are often obtained by setting personal issues aside and working together. 

You may have heard this before, but a while back those movie guys in LA told me something. They said the same thing happens on movie sets. (It's Hollywood, after all.) They said some people working on films literally hate each other with a vengeance. But for the common good, when the time comes they act like professionals and do their jobs. 

Pettiness and bickering get you nowhere. I say we shelve this discussion and see if the EU plan works this year. Maybe it will. I have no way to tell. If it's a wash, and few bother showing up other than the scheduled speakers...you have only yourself and a few friends to blame. Certainly not me...I tried my best and my efforts were rejected. When this happens, I don't stick my neck out there a second time with the same people. 

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There is no version of anything. a question was asked and answered..twist it all you wish...

Let's recap below, shall we?

 

Let me see if I can understand this logic. it's okay to read often that you go to producers and other media outlets and "warn them about us" and not being asked BUT if I'm asked a question about you it becomes wrong and causes an event to be cancelled BUT again it's okay for you to "warn people" that could cause cancellation to any given event going on during that conversation? perfectly okay?????????? just checking to make sure we are on the same page lol.

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11 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

You may have heard this before, but a while back those movie guys in LA told me something. They said the same thing happens on movie sets. (It's Hollywood, after all.) They said some people working on films literally hate each other with a vengeance. But for the common good, when the time comes they act like professionals and do their jobs. 

Wake up. this isn't Hollywood nor do I bow to those rules...another bunch of phonies. this isn't a job Robert...who is paying me to work with anyone? IT'S A HOBBY......

Actually, there is plenty of them in Hollywood that refuse to work together. contracts are broken often, shows cancelled etc. that's a myth. perhaps behind the scenes this takes place with threats of being fired to boot. 

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I don't recall approaching TV or film producers on my own and bad-mouthing you. Or even if I were asked. 

With the movie producers in Los Angeles...they developed an opinion on some members of the Cooper Forum on their own. The first time they contacted me, they damn near knew you guys better than I did. And that was a big surprise to me. 

You guys have been offered one lucrative thing after another regarding the Cooper case, but if AB of Seattle, or myself personally...had the slightest hand in it somewhere...you foolishly rejected said offers. Is this my fault?

Your mistake was you thought the public and the media were backing you 100% on everything. All that negativity, etc. And maybe for a while that might have been true. But that ended after the last convention, when two things happened. First, the reopening of the DZ thread, which meant you no longer dominated the conversation on Cooper. Second, when AB of Seattle created the Quora Space on Cooper and people started signing up for the feed in large numbers. 

I generally don't bad-mouth the Cooper Forum, or its members...unless I have a very good reason. And if I do it, I'm going to try and be fair about it. 

EDIT: Remember when Bruce Smith was offered the consulting job for the upcoming movie on Cooper? I had a contract ready for him with the production company's name on it to the tune of $15,000, some paid in advance, with two of those slots available. He didn't even bother answering my emails, instead demanding to have the production company contact him on the side. Said he didn't want anything to do with me. 

Problem WAS...his job would be to review portions of the script, and since I have partial control over that script...he would have to work with me. I could never get that through his head. So they rejected him. Now they have someone else who was GLAD to take the job...and HE was offered the payment for both slots. Bruce's actions were probably the dumbest Cooper-related exercise on record. If someone had made me that offer, even if I didn't like them...I would have at least asked to see the contract. 

But that's what Cooperland does sometimes. They shoot themselves in the foot over personal issues and then wonder why they are sitting on the sidelines later wondering what happened. 

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5 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I don't recall approaching TV or film producers on my own and bad-mouthing you. Or even if I were asked. 

Robert, I'm growing really tired of this. over the years that statement was made multiple times by you..."we warned them" whether it was producers, podcast or any other media people during that time period. even making an article claiming The Learning Channel bypassed us. four members made it on the show and two were bumped so Josh could skydive...it was a famous quote often used by you on multiple sites for a long period. I'm sure they can be found on TMN, screenshots etc. 

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14 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Your mistake was you thought the public and the media were backing you 100% on everything. All that negativity, etc. And maybe for a while that might have been true. But that ended after the last convention, when two things happened. First, the reopening of the DZ thread, which meant you no longer dominated the conversation on Cooper. Second, when AB of Seattle created the Quora Space on Cooper and people started signing up for the feed in large numbers. 

Again, you are stating all of this, not me. I never once claimed to dominate anything or be backed 100% by anyone. that's another false narrative. you don't speak for the public either without some sort of national poll. most people gloss right over drama. I read it sometimes when it's on other sites (not cooper related) and laugh and move on. you make mountains out of mole hills constantly...

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I was okay with your forum members appearing on (not Learning) The Travel Channel. Way back then...there were problems going with a lack of support by your members with our efforts to raise money for the Ariel Store restoration. There may have been a little back and forth about the whole thing, yes. I was a little miffed at the negative comments I saw at your forum regarding our efforts to host the fundraiser. No thanks to you, we still raised over $2,500 and convinced Josh's producers to shoot a segment at the store when people would actually be there. 

Well...as it turns out store owner Bryan was undeserving of ANYONE helping him. If I had known what he was about, I wouldn't have bothered. 

Look...for whatever reason you and your friends had not to support the combination Cooper Party/Convention in Portland proposed by Jim Brunberg and Bryan Ward at the V23 Brewery...you got what you wanted. So why try to justify your actions now and why not settle for the event you will get in November at the Kiggins Theater? Who knows? Maybe it will fly. Maybe it won't.

But no matter how you cut the mustard, if it bombs you and your friends will have to take some responsibility on that result. You could have just gone along, you know. Instead...Eric lies to everyone and you guys bad mouth me to the organizers. Live with what you guys did and hope for the best. Wasn't like the Kiggins Theater thing was my idea, you know. We had something sort of different in mind. 

That 'something sort of different' will probably happen later. Even after all that happened, when it does I will publicly invite most Cooperland folks to participate. And you can reject that as well if you wish. And I will be okay with it if you do, and okay if you participate. 

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Robert, I don't know how many times I can tell you this. you have done a lot of damage and people don't just turn the other way and forget. you have never changed and probably never will. you can't expect or demand people to work with you. it doesn't work like that. it's like a convict screaming to be released and not realizing what he has done. should we just let him out? 

I'm not taking any responsibility for nothing. I have nothing to do with any event in the past or the future. so, more of your logic. if it's a success then I'm awesome, and if it fails I'm a moron even though I had nothing to do with it what so ever? can we go ahead and blame me for the case not being solved? 

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First...I am not 'a convict waiting to be released'...your 'damage I have done' is WAY overrated...and I couldn't care less if you and a few people in Cooperland who think they are the be-all and end-all of everything Cooper want to participate in any events we host or not. 

You and those few Cooper Royalty friends of yours are no longer in the drivers seat, as far as being able to attract the public to anything Cooper-related. Now that is an opinion on my part. 

Of course, I could be wrong on that. Maybe Eric will pack the house in Vancouver this November. But if he doesn't, then people will remember this the next time. No one likes standing up on a stage to present stuff they have worked on for years...(Tom Kaye, Bruce Smith, others) and seeing a bunch of empty seats. 

I know how this feels. I have had it happen to me at the Auburn Avenue Theater when we were running Cooper events for the Auburn Days Festival. Connie H, the festival director with 27 years of experience running that thing warned me that you need headliners to bring in the public. She was right. So that's why we scheduled the Decoded cast and that Hollywood producer kid for the Portland event. Hell...wasn't like anyone in Cooperland was going to pack the house, you know. I wasn't even planning to speak at the thing. 

When we did the Auburn Ave, we even gave out free pop, free snacks, etc. Never got more than fifty people in the seats. Connie was right. And there were around ten thousand people milling around downtown when we held those events. We did get pretty close to figuring it all out though. We had planned to have Judith Day show up for the next Auburn Ave event, and they were going to budget the $5,000 from the festival funds to do that. Unfortunately, a new mayor came along and moved the festival to Les Gove Park anyway...so our use of the theater ended after the fourth year. Who is Judith? Well, she had nothing to do with the Cooper case, but our plan was to have her speak at halftime during our Cooper soiree that year. She played the young blonde on Night of the Living Dead. She was available, and would have at least filled the seats. That's the main thing you know...if you are going to use a theater it looks bad if the seats are empty. I was tired of that. B| We were also going to screen the famous movie, which is public domain now. 

You guys do what you wish. Hold the events you think are best. We will do the same thing. If and when we do...we will invite you to participate and no hard feelings if you don't. But I will definitely schedule some headliners (Cooper-related this time, no horror film stars lol) or I won't bother with it. 

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8 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

First...I am not 'a convict waiting to be released'...your 'damage I have done' is WAY overrated...and I couldn't care less if you and a few people in Cooperland who think they are the be-all and end-all of everything Cooper want to participate in any events we host or not. 

Again, a false narrative. how do you get an example to being called a convict? where does it say Robert is a convict waiting to be released. it's an example to your logic. 

The damage being " WAY overrated " is your belief. people don't want to work with you. can you understand and accept that? it's part of life. you want to shame me into eating food I don't like? when will you understand all of this nonsense? if you don't care about a few people then why are we arguing about it? accept it....

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When you say 'people don't want to work with you,' yes I have heard that. But it no longer matters to me whether these few people wish to 'work with me' or not. Their loss, probably. We will get by fine without you I'm sure. 

But...the difference is that I will still make the offer when the time comes. You don't speak for everybody in Cooperland, you know. Two of the speakers at the last Cooper Con had tentatively agreed to appear at the Portland event, and I was just getting started. Some people actually LIKED the idea of appearing before a large crowd, especially a couple of people who traveled all the way to Portland for the last one and saw there were few people actually in the audience. 

Trust me, Shutter. If you can guarantee a real crowd, it ain't that hard to get participants on stage....B|

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