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INTERMOUNTAIN COMMUNICATIONS
1962 to 1968 - GOT it...You do not even give me time to proof my postings!

I only know one that might still be alive out of the names I can connect to it...it was a covert group.



I think they just sell stuff that some covert outfits might want. I don't believe they were an actual covert group from the 60's. The conspiracy guys would have figured it out, or accused them of such activity by now. And like Air America, a movie would follow.

Non-Cooper: I had the pleasure of speaking to Dear Old Mom for a couple of hours today on the phone.
She can go on forever, God love her. And like the good son I am, I hang on every word.

I told her that I tried using a woman's name on my latest book, but that when I gave out too many free copies at Amazon, it wasn't long before my Facebook friends figured out the truth and I had to change the book.
I apologized for the extreme violence in it and she forgave me, no problem.

Then I had to tell her about selling a car to a frickin' spy and not telling her about it until now. She said, 'Really?' and was highly jazzed when I explained what happened. I promised to bring her a print copy of the article when I fly down to see her on 17th of April for a few days.

Then I told her that when I return to Seattle, Greg the Techie Guy and I are making an appointment with the Seattle FBI to speak to them and drop off a few items. She was happy about that.

I've seen the worst things imaginable since I started investigating Kenny Christiansen. Hatred, lying, backbiting, and people trying to posture themselves as (LOL) 'Cooper Royalty' without the slightest regard for the truth.

When people post on the Cooper case, the first thing to examine is whether they have an agenda going or not. Face it. Some people working the Cooper case are afraid of the truth. It does not matter whether it is the truth on Kenny, or Duane, or Sheridan, or whomever. It's just the truth they fear sometimes...or of looking bad.

I suffer from no such problem, I can assure you. The truth is not something I fear, even if I'm wrong.
It's the lying that really pisses me off. ;)


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I saw a post back there about Revenge Story. Yes, I already said I wrote that one. I tried using a pen name, Julia Broussard, because it is so violent I wasn't sure I wanted my name associated with it.



Good read actually I am surprised the sale is slow.

Anyways the first few pages itself gave away that it was written by a Ghost writer for a women... women don't write like that... I mean generally. But then I enjoyed the book, who wrote, don't really care...:P

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And yes, I suppose the Newsvine article about Christopher Boyce is somewhat similar to a scene from the book. (saw that post, too) I'm guessing you mean the scene where Ben Cummings and Karen Morris buy the Ford pickup and camper at the car lot, after Cummings figures out the cops know they are in a stolen motorhome.

Damn. You can't get away with anything these days. ;)



Yo...you got that "write" ;) .... and no life's truly become an "open book" :D

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It has all COME together - now the FBI need so do their thing....take the pictures & compare them - they are all the same man & then compare those with the composites...if the witnesses see age regressed pictures from the 3 pics inquestion & the background behind the pictures & then a modification of the Jefferson Pic on angles and hair cut - put it all together properly & then had a little evidence I have in my possession - but not at my home at this time as it is suddenly considered the evidence that might break the case.

IT is ALL up to the FBI now - but they are not exhausting any money to do so...A company out of CA has offered to do it a NO charge! They need access to the original sketches from 1971/1972. What one sees on the screen had been repicated too many time to become a true standard for this purpose.....they need access to the actual sketches in full size & the witness description and the profiles used. We have limited pictures of Duane & only one with any high quality.

Parts of what they need I do have other than the actual transcripts of the witnesses describing the suspect to the artist....and the comparisons used in 1971/1972.

I took a bad fall last night. Now I need to go elevate my leg & I have a large bruise near my left temple. The leg I thought was bruised today it is black and blue and the black starts at the mid calf to 5 inches about the knee. The swelling is immense. The bruise on my head just in the hair line seems okay...but a big old black knot in hair line.

I do NOT know how I fell. My right hand has been bound and slinged for several wks and lots of pain...some how this fall happened in a corner near the desk...I must have hit the window sill with my head just about the temple.

The knee I thought was just a bruise - I looked at it before I started posting....& it is more than a bruise...the knee is VERY swollen & the black and blue goes down to mid calf with ODD patterns & colors (speckled)about 4 inches above the knee on the inside....weirdest looking thing I ever saw & has become more & more difficult to walk today & the pain & SWELLING has gotten out of hand.

Going to the ICE and to elevate the leg....

What a mess - hand, shoulder, knee, leg and head all on one side....What else can happen...well, I guess I could die in my sleep tonight...but I have an appt with a hosp tomorrow - so I expect they are going to send me to the ER when they see me.

TOUGH DAMN COOKIE -
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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I'm sorry you fell the other day. Hope you will be okay.

Look. I hate to bring this up, but pictures alone will never prove the identity of Cooper. Not a chance.

Let me give you a good example. Let's say that Tina Mucklow (miraculously) says that Duane is the guy she saw on the plane. We will toss in a confirmation by Flo Schaffner, and a solid 'maybe' by Alice Hancock, maybe even a couple of the passengers.

Well and good. Then what? It's been going on 44 years since the hijacking occurred. No one will accept these endorsements without some other evidence to support them. It is far too late to rely on eyewitness endorsements alone. You will need a piece or two of additional evidence.


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"...It has all COME together - now the FBI need so do their thing....take the pictures and compare them - they are all the same man and then compare those with the composite...if the witnesses see age agressed picture from the 3 pics inquestion and the background behind the pictures and then a modification of the Jefferson Pic on angles and hair cut - and you put it all to gether properly and then had a little evidence I have in my possession - but not at my home at this time as it is suddenly considered the evidence that might break the case.

IT is ALL up to the FBI now....(!)"



Norjak is getting HOT at the FBI - Two Packages of Evidence -

Only ONE MAN can win!!!

What will the FBI do?

Time to call Ayn Dietrich-Williams. Hope she's back in the saddle after her wedding.

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TOP TEN REASONS FBI WILL PUNT

(on Bobby's and Mrs. Cooper's Submissions)

1. Jo Weber has no standing in the case because she wasn't married to Duane Weber in 1971. After all, after his eight marriages, who knows what he was doing.

2. Jo's package on DB Cooper has been transferred to the King County Sheriff's Office Major Case Squad since she was the last person to speak to Earl Cossey alive.

3. Duane was never in the Army.

4. Kenny's files are all burnt, so nothing that Bobby has submitted can be verified.

5. Everyone knows Kenny was gay, and, as per the new FBI directive, all agents who feel uncomfortable touching his files can be recused from the investigation on religious grounds .

6. Jo's package is being reviewed first by the CDC in Atlanta due to concerns that what she has may be contagious - and NOBODY wants to take a chance on getting what she has.

7. Bobby's package is being sent to King County Office of Mental Health as the Geestman family clearly needs a psych eval before a criminal eval. First-things-first is the FBI's middle name!

8. Mark Zuckerberg has imposed a restraining order on all of Bobby's material since he posts on Facebook, and all postings on Facebook are owned by Facebook.

9. NSA already sent everything on KC and DW to the FBI long ago, which dismissed the evidence as "inconclusive and not as interesting as porn."

10. Dear Concerned Citizen: Budget cuts are killing us! So many suspects, so little time. Can you please re-submit and give us a one-page synopsis of your most compelling evidence. Thank you. Please allow 90-180 days for our response. No phone calls or emails, please, unless you're DBC Royalty.

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lawrocket

Hmm. I'm seeing other long threads being locked. I don't think I've added a comment to this one. So I can tell my grandkids I participated in the DB Cooper thread.



Yo, Rocket, since you're advertising your wife's hotness, would you mind if I had sex with her?

Just askin'.

By the way, welcome to the DB Cooper Investigation!

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Hmm.

Contrary to Bruce Smith's flippant comments, our investigation into the case is quite serious. He's simply jealous that we have pursued every avenue possible on suspect Kenny Christiansen...and that we have a comprehensive package prepared for the Seattle FBI. The very idea of this is anathema to he, and other folks he sometimes refers to as 'Cooper Royalty'.

We believe Cooper Royalty is a myth, invented by people who do a lot of mutual back-slapping and believe they are important just because they study the case.

As most of you reading this know, our upcoming evidence submission to the Seattle FBI contains three basic items. First, the DNA profile for Kenny's brother Lyle Christiansen, for comparison to the partial profiles now in the possession of the FBI, the ones taken from the tie worn by the hijacker.

Second, a series of photo albums that belonged to Kenny Christiansen where the pictures have plastic sheets over them. Our hope is that the FBI will be able to obtain prints from the scores of pictures and handwritten notes that Kenny installed into albums. These prints could be compared to the fifty-six or so prints taken from the hijacked jet. The FBI is on record saying they believe at least a half-dozen of the jet prints belong to the hijacker.

Third, a 74-page report on the case against Kenny Christiansen and Bernie Geestman that includes many pictures, documents, and a list of witnesses interviewed for the report, as well as their testimony. It is the total sum of what we were able to discover that finally led us to believe Kenny MIGHT be Cooper.

Using these tools, the FBI will probably take a two-pronged approach. The EASY way...and the HARD way. The EASY way is if they are able to match just a single print from the hijacked jet to any of the prints taken from Kenny's photo albums. The HARD way is to interview at least a portion of the witnesses. Their contact information is included in the report.

There is no guarantee any of this will work, of course. The partial DNA profile(s) from the tie, according to Agent Fred Gutt in Seattle, cannot positively match a suspect's DNA to the tie profiles, but it can eliminate them. Or perhaps none of the prints taken from the photo albums will match. Our thought is that if Lyle's DNA is not eliminated, then the FBI will take it further and try questioning the witnesses. And if a single print match is made, well...then it is case closed on D.B Cooper.

AB of Seattle tech guy Greg, and I, will meet with the Seattle FBI in either late April, or early May. And after we turn over these items to them, our part in the investigation will be over. This is the culmination of about six years of work, and is definitely not a joke. We take it quite seriously.

EDIT: I think one of the things that makes our investigation unique is that we didn't spend a lot of time hunting down the actual eyewitnesses to the hijacking. We knew even if a witness or two said Kenny looked like Cooper, that was not proof. No one, including the FBI, would accept that alone as proof more than 40 years after the crime. Instead, we began with a baseline of work on Christiansen that was initiated not by us...but by author Geoff Gray. His article in the New York Magazine started it all. Along the way, he did find one of the stewardesses, who said this after seeing pictures of Christiansen:

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*Over the years, the FBI has shown her photos of dozens of suspects, and she has yet to identify any of them. I’d brought the photos of Kenny Christiansen, and she spread them on the table.

She zeroed in on the passport photo all blown up. She rubbed his features on the page. “The ears, the ears are right.” She moved to the lips. “Yes, thin lips. And the top lip, kind of like this, yes.” Then the forehead. “A wide forehead, yes.” Then the hair. “Receding, yes, the two areas—yes, yes—sort of like this.” She was pushing down on the photo hard now, rubbing the image like a charcoal drawing. “There was more hair, though.” The eyes. “About like that.” The eyebrows. “Yeah, about like that.” The images were closer in resemblance to Cooper than any of the suspects she’s ever seen, she said. But? “But I can’t say ‘Yay.’”

We got up from the table. “I think you might be onto something here,” she said.



*Excerpt from Geoff Gray's article used under Fair Use rules.


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"...Contrary to Bruce Smith's flippant comments, our investigation into the case is quite serious. He's simply jealous that we have pursued every avenue possible on suspect Kenny Christiansen...and that we have a comprehensive package prepared for the Seattle FBI. The very idea of this is anathema to he, and other folks he sometimes refers to as 'Cooper Royalty'.

We believe Cooper Royalty is a myth, invented by people who do a lot of mutual back-slapping and believe they are important just because they study the case...."



Since Bobby invested the term "Cooper Royalty," I suppose he is entitled to define what it means.

But like most things in life, once you invent something or put an idea into the universe, one's control over your creation diminishes.

Such has happened with Cooper Royalty and our Court. We have adopted Bobby's pronouncements and now conduct ourselves accordingly.

Historically, I have gone from Cousin Brucie to Uncle Brucie; then Prince Bruce, and now, King Bruce. To my friends however, I am often called "King Brucie."

So, what have I done to deserve such an exalted status? Here is a brief list:

1. I wrote a book. It is a comprehensive, 90,000 word treatment on the DB Cooper case, with a close look at the behaviors of the FBI.

2. Maintained a website that covers the DB Cooper case in detail. The site is called The Mountain News-WA and is based in Eatonville, WA, which is on the eastern edge of Cooper's getaway flight path. Most of the raw data, interviews and information that is distilled in the book first appeared on the Mountain News. When I posted current pix of Tina Mucklow on the MN, it had 40,000 hits by lunch.

3. I have interviewed every available principal in the case, or I have attempted to speak with them.

4. I am threatened regularly with lawsuits, character assassinations, and accusations of criminal activity, such as murdering Earl Cossey. I interpret those actions as a reflection of the impact my writing has amongst the denizens of Cooper World.

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'Since Bobby invested the term "Cooper Royalty," I suppose he is entitled to define what it means...'



Wrong. It was first used by Mark, aka '377' on November 27, 2011 in a reference to Brian Ingram and the first Cooper symposium.

Hopefully your book is better researched than your erroneous statement. Took me less than a minute to figure out the real inventor.

And my name isn't 'Bobby,' BS. (That's short for well...your name.) ;)

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'When I posted current pix of Tina Mucklow on the MN, it had 40,000 hits by lunch...'



And I had four MILLION hits to my column at Newsvine between March 2007 and the end of 2012. I pretty much stopped counting after that. But I didn't do that by using pictures surreptiously taken of Mucklow outside her home, and then irresponsibly putting her life in danger from possible Cooper nuts, as you did. Without her permission.

You are actually PROUD of that? And you did it for 'hits' on the internet without regard for Mucklow or her family?

No further comment needed. :S


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'Since Bobby invested the term "Cooper Royalty," I suppose he is entitled to define what it means...'



Wrong. It was first used by Mark, aka '377' on November 27, 2011 in a reference to Brian Ingram and the first Cooper symposium.

Hopefully your book is better researched than your erroneous statement. Took me less than a minute to figure out the real inventor.

And my name isn't 'Bobby,' BS. (That's short for well...your name.)



Of course, Bobby, you may be correct, and I certainly accept your findings.

However, I first heard of the term from you.

At the very least, I began to think of myself as Cooper Royalty because of all the fuss you made about it, and eventually I decided that you were - again - correct! Thus I began calling myself Prince Bruce.

After that, my stature just grew. Such is life.

AS for making mistakes, most kings make 'em. The key, I think, is how we respond to our errors. I consider that timely acknowledgments, revisions, and apologies are the way to go rather than cover-ups, denials, and counter assaults.

I trust that history/herstory will judge accordingly.

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"...And I had four MILLION hits to my column at Newsvine between March 2007 and the end of 2012. I pretty much stopped counting after that...."



That is impressive, Bobby. Worthy of a title, I should say! What shall we call you? Prince Bob, or Duke of Newsvine?

Just askin'.

By the way, why haven't you been able to find a way to monetize your writing? Millions of hits and not a nickel to show for it seems unfortunate. No?

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"...And I had four MILLION hits to my column at Newsvine between March 2007 and the end of 2012. I pretty much stopped counting after that...."



That is impressive, Bobby. Worthy of a title, I should say! What shall we call you? Prince Bob, or Duke of Newsvine?

Just askin'.

By the way, why haven't you been able to find a way to monetize your writing? Millions of hits and not a nickel to show for it seems unfortunate. No?


Newsvine paid well until they sold out to MSNBC or something. I received $1,307.50 via PayPal during that time. I still hold the record there for the most illustrated articles published to the site...almost five hundred of them. Since Gayla runs the financials at Adventure Books of Seattle, all payouts were in her name of course. :)
The three most popular articles still remain these:

Ten Good Reasons to Stop Executing People in the United States

It Wasn't the Fuel Line - How the Buddy Holly Crash Really Happened

The Manson Girls Reach 60 and Counting

Honorable Mention: Elena Filatova - How the Need for Speed Takes Her Into the Dead Zones of Chernobyl

And one of my favorites, since I was a fan of the show as a kid: Ten Questions for Stefan Arngrim

Compared to my body of work at Newsvine, I consider DB Cooper small potatoes. No kidding.


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Newsvine paid well until they sold out to MSNBC or something. I received $1,307.50 via PayPal during that time. I still hold the record there for the most illustrated articles published to the site...almost five hundred of them. Since Gayla runs the financials at Adventure Books of Seattle, all payouts were in her name of course.



Blevins,

That is less than $2.75 per article (not per copy). Perhaps you could benefit from Googling "High Finance" or maybe just finding a more rewarding endeavor.

Robert99

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Newsvine paid well until they sold out to MSNBC or something. I received $1,307.50 via PayPal during that time. I still hold the record there for the most illustrated articles published to the site...almost five hundred of them. Since Gayla runs the financials at Adventure Books of Seattle, all payouts were in her name of course.



Blevins,

That is less than $2.75 per article (not per copy). Perhaps you could benefit from Googling "High Finance" or maybe just finding a more rewarding endeavor.

Robert99

LOL I don't compose articles there for the money. That was just a side benefit. When they switched to Google Ad revenue, I didn't even sign up for it.

I think you're just jealous. The reason I was at Newsvine, and still publish there occasionally is because I know I REACH people. If you have a column, and nobody visits...then what's the point?

I'm not sure how many viewers of my column are signed to the RSS feed anymore, but at one time it was in five figures. That means more than 10,000 people voluntarily received an email notice every time I published a new article. (Not sure if the new format does RSS anymore, though) When I dropped the Google Analytics code from the column in January 2013, total views to articles exceeded four million. That's an average of 57,000 visits each month, running for the 70-month period between startup in March 2007 and when code was dropped. That could encourage you to continue writing to the column, I guess. :S

That's why. I don't see anything wrong with that. I would do it all for nothing. These days, I do. ;)

Want to know how I did it all? I wrote an article on that, too.


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Historically, I have gone from Cousin Brucie to Uncle Brucie; then Prince Bruce, and now, King Bruce. To my friends however, I am often called "King Brucie."

So, what have I done to deserve such an exalted status? Here is a brief list:

1. I wrote a book. It is a comprehensive, 90,000 word treatment on the DB Cooper case, with a close look at the behaviors of the FBI.

2. Maintained a website that covers the DB Cooper case in detail. The site is called The Mountain News-WA and is based in Eatonville, WA, which is on the eastern edge of Cooper's getaway flight path. Most of the raw data, interviews and information that is distilled in the book first appeared on the Mountain News. When I posted current pix of Tina Mucklow on the MN, it had 40,000 hits by lunch.

3. I have interviewed every available principal in the case, or I have attempted to speak with them.

4. I am threatened regularly with lawsuits, character assassinations, and accusations of criminal activity, such as murdering Earl Cossey. I interpret those actions as a reflection of the impact my writing has amongst the denizens of Cooper World.



Integrity! Integrity for sale! Step right up!
"Why I'll buy what your selling, Mister."
Go away kid, you're botherin' me. Integrity here! Integrity for sale!

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Bruce Smith says in part:

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'I am threatened regularly with lawsuits, character assassinations, and accusations of criminal activity, such as murdering Earl Cossey. I interpret those actions as a reflection of the impact my writing has amongst the denizens of Cooper World...'



Not really. I briefly thought about going the tort route against your PUBLISHER if you decided to say (without a shred of proof) that Kenny Christiansen was a child molester. Then I said I would just file a complaint with them. I see in your book you backed off that one, so I'm okay with those passages you wrote about him.

The only one who has accused you of killing Earl Cossey is an elderly lady from Florida...an accusation no one believes anyway.

Character assassinations I am not sure about. But publishing those sneaky-ass photos of Cooper stew Tina Mucklow all over the internet wasn't nice, and had no regard for her privacy or safety. So if anyone slammed you and your lying buddy Galen Cook on that one...you deserved it. Cook was the one who arranged the surreptitious pictures, (taken without Mucklow's consent or knowledge) while you brag about all the hits to your website for publishing them. Cook is also the same guy who posted up a bunch of lies about receiving disparaging emails about me from my co-author Skipp Porteous. When Shutter asked him to produce even ONE of the emails...he bailed from Shutter's site. He probably did that after I screenshot his BS posts and told him if he didn't stop I would send them to the Washington State Bar Association. Nice friends you got.

Your picture was handed out at the Auburn Ave Theater for one of the Auburn Days Festivals because a phone call came into City Hall before the Festival from someone who threatened to hurt people if I gave my slideshow there on Kenny Christiansen. When the Festival Director and the cops asked me if I had any thoughts on who may have made the phone call (thousands of people attend the festival with their kids each year) I told them the only guy who was local to Auburn and involved in the Cooper case heavily was YOU. Later, I found out it wasn't you but someone else we all know, whose name I will never reveal.

EDIT: Look, Bruce. No one around here hates you. I've even offered you services for free that I charge a ton of money to other people to do. I've supported your book here at Dropzone. And other nice things, despite you siding yourself with some of the worst that Cooperland has to offer. My suggestion is you get serious, stop siding with anyone who has a hate agenda, and make positive contributions to the thread. I can't make you do that, of course...but I think it's decent advice.


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"... Bruce. No one around here hates you..."



I agree. The question is then: why do people do what they do? Why did you threaten to thwart my publishing efforts?

What were you protecting? And why?

Kenny's reputation?

You are the one accusing him of stealing an airplane, threatening to kill 42 people, and giving Tina Mucklow a 40-year headache.

I don't hate you either, Bobby. I just don't trust you.

I also don't think you know why you do the things you do all of the time. That makes you dangerous.

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"... Bruce. No one around here hates you..."



I agree. The question is then: why do people do what they do? Why did you threaten to thwart my publishing efforts?

What were you protecting? And why?

Kenny's reputation?

You are the one accusing him of stealing an airplane, threatening to kill 42 people, and giving Tina Mucklow a 40-year headache.

I don't hate you either, Bobby. I just don't trust you.

I also don't think you know why you do the things you do all of the time. That makes you dangerous.


I think more than a few people have been accused of being DB Cooper. This fact doesn't make Kenny Christiansen special. You could say that about ANY of the suspects who have been discussed, or pointed to as possibly being the hijacker.

I don't care if you trust me or not. You're the one who copies and posts folks' private messages at Dropzone, aren't you? And the one who brags about posting a single woman's picture all over the internet just to get cheap hits to your website. :)
Geez. I don't wish to be too hard on you, but you must be kidding.


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