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"..... I mean even McCoy types were carrying real weapons..... "
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Actually, Mac's 45 was empty and the grenade was a dummy paperweight. Yah, real, but non-functional. Mac said the guy sitting across the isle was a big football type that could have taken him out in a second and he was scared to death that he might! A lot of little facts are hidden in the FBI training film of his hijacking, like wing tip shoes on the FBI Agent delivering the money... Mac helped make the film, if that gives you any clues.

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I was present when the instructions for building this thing were given to Duane Weber. Bill told Duane to "Go down to Hardware Hank and get some wood dowels and cut them into lengths and PAINT them red. Get some wire and wad it up and throw it in there. You'll need a battery and maybe a clock too. It doesn't have to look real, just enough that someone could believe that it MIGHT be a bomb."






"I was there when Duane was given instruction"....(At the risk of sounding a complete idiot)...are you quoting someone or is it that you were really there when Duane was given instructions to hijack this plane?

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Actually, Mac's 45 was empty and the grenade was a dummy paperweight. Yah, real, but non-functional. Mac said the guy sitting across the isle was a big football type that could have taken him out in a second and he was scared to death that he might! A lot of little facts are hidden in the FBI training film of his hijacking, like wing tip shoes on the FBI Agent delivering the money... Mac helped make the film, if that gives you any clues.

Bob Knoss




Gosh..this Cooper case is a labyrinth and I aint a Cooper royalty ...I seriously have no clue what are you taking about...help me understand where can I read more about what u saying...the film etc.

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Actually, Mac's 45 was empty and the grenade was a dummy paperweight. Yah, real, but non-functional. Mac said the guy sitting across the isle was a big football type that could have taken him out in a second and he was scared to death that he might! A lot of little facts are hidden in the FBI training film of his hijacking, like wing tip shoes on the FBI Agent delivering the money... Mac helped make the film, if that gives you any clues.

Bob Knoss




Gosh..this Cooper case is a labyrinth and I aint a Cooper royalty ...I seriously have no clue what are you taking about...help me understand where can I read more about what u saying...the film etc.

Thousandthings,

Oh come now, even after only 39 posts you should be aware that there are several certified screwballs on this thread.

What are you surprised about?

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Doing farm work I was rigging dynamite before I could drive a car... I learned the important differences in grades the hard way, when instead of loosening a stump for removal I turned it into half a ton of toothpicks and shattered all the west facing windows in the house.

OOOPS :$


Directing the blast is art & science. Lay a stick of dynamite on the driveway and set it off - all you have is a burn mark...lay a phone book on top of the stick, and you get a 3 foot hole in the concrete.

You can light dynamite on fire and it won't explode it just burns...and shooting it with a pistol to set it off is a Hollywood fantasy. Takes a somewhat faster & focused explosion to set it off - blasting caps work well by design but det-cord which burns at 20,000 FPS is quite effective and cheaper.

Fun stuff!;)




Indeed fun stuff ... gotta try the phone book thing...just looking for a concrete 3 foot concrete :P

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Thousandthings,

Oh come now, even after only 39 posts you should be aware that there are several certified screwballs on this thread.

What are you surprised about?

Robert99




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....that there is one more ;)



Excellent! You're learning fast. There's hope yet for you.

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Doing farm work I was rigging dynamite before I could drive a car... I learned the important differences in grades the hard way, when instead of loosening a stump for removal I turned it into half a ton of toothpicks and shattered all the west facing windows in the house.

OOOPS :$


Directing the blast is art & science. Lay a stick of dynamite on the driveway and set it off - all you have is a burn mark...lay a phone book on top of the stick, and you get a 3 foot hole in the concrete.

You can light dynamite on fire and it won't explode it just burns...and shooting it with a pistol to set it off is a Hollywood fantasy. Takes a somewhat faster & focused explosion to set it off - blasting caps work well by design but det-cord which burns at 20,000 FPS is quite effective and cheaper.

Fun stuff!;)




Indeed fun stuff ... gotta try the phone book thing...just looking for a concrete 3 foot concrete :P



Keep in mind the stuff today is a lot different than the old daze...takes a lot less to do much more. It's not nitro anymore.

Interestingly enough...I'm told that for the most part the commercial stuff is stronger than the military grade.










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"...Keep in mind the stuff today is a lot different than the old daze...takes a lot less to do much more. It's not nitro anymore.

Interestingly enough...I'm told that for the most part the commercial stuff is stronger than the military grade...."



I understand the Wehrmacht had the same problem in WW II at the Remagen Bridge. There was a mix-up between civilian dynamite and military grade and the sappers used the specs for the wrong stuff and when they blew the bridge it didn't have enough oomph. As a result, the 9th US Armored was able to get across.

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Time to step aside. The posting have gotten ridiculous. To think you Robt99 thought I was difficult. WELL, you got your hands full with this bunch.

377 & Airtwardo are still the only logic in the last several pages. I am not going to tutor those who have never read the history of Cooper, the books & news articles.

I have a lot on my table right now so I won't have time to even view the postings.

I expect by the time I can do so - this thing will be WAY out there. Too much fiction is being created about the FACTS of the case - the FACTS have been lost in the hype - but, the history is still there if anyone wants to read a few books & old media reports.

When JO gets fed up with the stories other shave made up - then maybe it is time to let go.

Robt I have my differences with you but, I am sure you will attest to the fact that NOW newbies & others are swallowing anything they are told...nothing being stated of recent even resembles the facts of the case.

Over the yrs I have spoke with key individuals in the investigation of the crime & all but one of the crew members. I understand why NONE of the want to be engaged by interviewers who have little or no knowledge of the crime.

Blevins & other have created a collage of things that do not even resemble the facts.

One can disagree with me, but most of what I know comes from the crew, Duane & the media sources at the time of the crime to include all of the book written.

Time to just let these guys hang themselves with all of this.

Please do not respond to me Robt 99 because this if the first time I have been completely discombottled as to how so many individuals can read & create false facts....Blevins has distorted the truths of the case too much.

The coin dynamite - well that just did the thread in. So many of us have spent yrs on this, but along comes a writer into this only to promote a book of fiction..

All that is left are newbies & the fiction writers who have destroyed the history of Cooper and the facts.

Blevins is out in left field and the thread is how he promotes his book and ridiculous ideas. I does not take a genius to figure how how he as used this thread and everyone in it..

I suggest the NEWBIES go back & read the entire thread....as for me I am tired & Robt 99 you need not make a reply - I won't be here to read it.

Just fed up even trying to keep the facts of the case clear to others - the thread has become a medium source for fiction writers & those too lazy to do the research....nor another avenue to advertise their wares.

Good night ~ . I HAVE a long hard road ahead of me - and I am 'ascarded' using Duane's word. We never know what tomorrow will bring.

Send your prayers & not the venom that is usually set aside for me by you..

I have spoke with every member of the crew with the exception of Florence & I would love more than anything to hear from her, but I understand her position.

What I am told - is different than what has been stated by others in the last few few yrs and I have recorded all that I was told - in the part of my body they call my memory.

Perhaps those memories will be all that I have & time is robbing me of some of those.

Good Night.
It is time and I am so afraid of what the future holds for me. So much is happening so fast - it is overwhelming.

Know this - I have told NO LIES. I am only guilty of getting caught up in the hypotheticals. Rob,. I know what saw in 1979 and in 2001 - so you cannot erase that memory. Why you would even want to do so is a puzzle.
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The issue of the bombs has a corresponding dynamic.

If the bomb was real, would that kind of person actually have a wife like Jo Weber, or a brother like Lyle Christiansen?

Or would they ever confess - to anyone?

With over 900 folks already confessing to being DB Cooper, it's clear a lot of people WANT to be DB Cooper. The reasons why people do that are unknown for certain, and as a result, it makes any confession suspect.

So, a good rule of thumb would be: if you think your guy made a dummy bomb, he ain't DB Cooper.

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"...I have spoke with ever member of the crew with the exception of Florence & I would love more than anything to hear from her, but I understand her position...."



So, what did they say?

1. Tina?

2. Alice?

I know that Lee Dormuth believes that your husband was DB Cooper. Isn't that enough satisfaction? Who else do you need to agree with you that Duane was DB Cooper.

Yes, I know that Billy says that Duane's ears were too big, but hey, his eyeballs were busy elsewhere, if you catch my drift....

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'Blevins,

Do you understand that Tina was describing what SHE saw in the briefcase?

Under the limited conditions she had to view the items in the briefcase, no one would expect her estimates of 1" in diameter and 6" long to be exactly correct. Which is why I suggested that the battery proposed by Sluggo, if its measurements can be located, would be useful in determining the actual lengths of the sticks.

Further, Tina did not mention the "top" of the sticks or how the wires were connected to the sticks. So don't jump to conclusions.

And it was Himmelsbach, not Tina, that suggested the sticks might be road flares.

Just saying.

Robert99'



Sure, I understood that. Look...I feel good the witness is being truthful. I just don't see anything from her like the usual motivations to lie. She's a very down-to-earth type and she was certainly living with the Geestmans' up in Bonney Lake in 1971.

I checked with Google last night and discovered that two quarter-size paper coin rolls would equal five and a half inches in length. It's just such a weird story that it also might be true. She didn't claim to see the briefcase or the battery. In fact, when I asked her if she saw those things, she said no.

She just says: Kenny was taking these filled-up coin rolls and taping them together two at time to make one longer one, using red electrical tape. He had already done a few of them when she walked in. And she wasn't 'pre-teen,' she was 13 years old. And...that he had some wires cut that he was attaching to these rolls. That's pretty much it. Then he told her she wasn't supposed to be in the shed, so she left. That's the whole story. No embellishments, nothing else. She didn't say that made him Cooper, or even that she thought NOW he was Cooper. Just the story of the coin rolls and the tape and the wires.

I don't know. I hope the Seattle FBI at least talks to these folks. I think they might pay attention to that part of the KC report...if...(and it's a BIG 'if) they already know the sticks looked as if they were wrapped in tape. Nobody knows that except maybe the FBI, or the stews who saw the bomb.

I hope they do know that this is true because it would add much credibility to the witness' story. Otherwise, it isn't much use.

EDIT: I have sent a message to Geoff Gray asking him if he still has access to Flo Schaffner, and if so...maybe he should ask her about this stuff.

NON-Cooper: Our latest release for the Amazon Kindle, the ultra-violent Revenge Story, has been made free starting at midnight tonight and running until midnight, March 3. It's a modern-day Bonnie and Clyde story by Seattle's own Julia Broussard. Short excerpt:

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Ray and Ben spent the rest of the afternoon unloading critical items from the truck and moving them into the other barn, the one without a loft full of weapons. As they worked stacking up boxes along the walls, Ben laid out his plan.

“First National in Eureka,” he said. “I’ve been casing that one. A whole lot of people use that bank between the first and the fifth of every month to cash their paychecks. The bank gets one or two large cash deliveries the first week of the month, and before major holidays.”

Ray dropped a particularly heavy box into one corner and wiped the sweat from his face. “A lot of banks do that,” he said.

“Yeah, but most of the people who go to this particular bank with their checks are getting cash for them, not making deposits. Loggers, people like that. So they stock up enough cash to cover them all. And the biggest logging outfit in the area has payday coming this Friday, along with most of the local businesses. Then the bars start filling up. I want to hit that bank on Friday morning, right when they open. Labor Day weekend starts the next day and that bank will be jazzed with cash.”

“That’s only a couple of days away. How sure are you about all this money?” Ray said.

“I started doing surveillance on them a few months ago. When the fifth of the month falls on a weekday, an armored car crew takes in six heavy bags just before closing time the day before, so they can cover the cash requests the next day. I figure the Thursday before Labor Day weekend has to be one of their biggest cash deliveries of the year. We hit them on Friday morning.”

“So why don’t we just take this money from the guards while they’re still outside the bank?”

Ben jumped down out of the truck. He put an arm around Ray’s shoulder. “Lesson number one rookie. Armored car guards have guns and they will fight you hard for the money. Two of them actually make the delivery into the bank. But they also have a third guard watching from inside the truck who will shoot you to pieces through the gun ports. Bank tellers and branch managers don’t have guns, and they won’t fight you for the money.” He picked up a box from the ground and stacked it up over in the corner, on top of the one Ray had just placed. “In fact, they’re not even allowed to fight you for the money. Insurance rules.”

“I didn’t know that,” said Ray.

“Now you do,” said Ben. “However, they will set off the silent alarm the first chance they get. So you can’t spend any more than ninety seconds inside the bank after you throw down on them, because in two minutes, maybe three, the cops are going to be all over the street. Remember that.”

“You’ve been doing these robberies military-style, haven’t you?” said Ray.

“Yeah. Remember when we kicked down doors in Iraq looking for weapons or IED’s and we would take over the place while we were searching?”

“Sure,” said Ray.

“It’s sort of like that – except you’re looking for money instead.”




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I understand the Wehrmacht had the same problem in WW II at the Remagen Bridge. There was a mix-up between civilian dynamite and military grade and the sappers used the specs for the wrong stuff and when they blew the bridge it didn't have enough oomph. As a result, the 9th US Armored was able to get across.



You may find this interesting~

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2482853#2482853










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I understand the Wehrmacht had the same problem in WW II at the Remagen Bridge. There was a mix-up between civilian dynamite and military grade and the sappers used the specs for the wrong stuff and when they blew the bridge it didn't have enough oomph. As a result, the 9th US Armored was able to get across.



You may find this interesting~

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2482853#2482853



I see an illustrated magazine article in your future with that one. Good possible submission to Reader's Digest. Excellent true-life story. I have also seen the film a few times. I hated the part where they shot Robert Vaughn at the end (playing the German captain) because the bridge fell to the Americans. It wasn't his fault.


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I understand the Wehrmacht had the same problem in WW II at the Remagen Bridge. There was a mix-up between civilian dynamite and military grade and the sappers used the specs for the wrong stuff and when they blew the bridge it didn't have enough oomph. As a result, the 9th US Armored was able to get across.



You may find this interesting~

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2482853#2482853





Thanks, T, I loved the story. And the pix. Your Dad still with us?

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I understand the Wehrmacht had the same problem in WW II at the Remagen Bridge. There was a mix-up between civilian dynamite and military grade and the sappers used the specs for the wrong stuff and when they blew the bridge it didn't have enough oomph. As a result, the 9th US Armored was able to get across.



You may find this interesting~

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2482853#2482853





Thanks, T, I loved the story. And the pix. Your Dad still with us?

No he passed a few days after I wrote that...going on nine years ago - - a little further in that thread I describe the funeral.

The 2nd page of the thread I tell about visiting the WWll memorial in D.C. a week after Dad was buried.










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I understand the Wehrmacht had the same problem in WW II at the Remagen Bridge. There was a mix-up between civilian dynamite and military grade and the sappers used the specs for the wrong stuff and when they blew the bridge it didn't have enough oomph. As a result, the 9th US Armored was able to get across.



You may find this interesting~

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2482853#2482853





Thanks, T, I loved the story. And the pix. Your Dad still with us?

No he passed a few days after I wrote that...going on nine years ago - - a little further in that thread I describe the funeral.

The 2nd page of the thread I tell about visiting the WWll memorial in D.C. a week after Dad was buried.

All blessings and thanks to you and your Dad.

My Dad passed in '07, and when your Dad was at the Rhine, mine was a little further north, in Belgium, fixing busted jeeps and other stuff. His aunt rode out the war in Brussels, keeping her mouth shut because she spoke her French with a New Jersey accent.

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Here's some stuff you may not know about the battle for the Ludendorff Bridge.

It was the first real jet aircraft battle in the world. Not dogfighting, or going after bombers, but an actual battle. After the bridge fell, the Germans tried everything in the book to destroy it. They sent waves of Stukas, which were easily shot down by an AA force that was probably the biggest assembly of AA at that point in the war.

The Germans tried to recruit their new fighter jet pilots to do suicide bombing runs, but it wouldn't work. Then they sent in the world's first jet-powered fighter/bombers. It was like a turkey shoot with the AA guys getting at least a 400 foot high position pointing down at the bridge. Some of the jets managed to escape the heavy fire, though. Prop jobs did a bit more poorly.

Kind of like that film The Bridges at Toko-Ri, where William Holden has to make runs through the Valley of Death in Korea and try to take out the bridges. It was the same thing for the Germans, and they tried really hard after the bridge fell to the Americans. They even fired V-2 rockets at the thing.

Bridge fell down on its own fifteen days after its capture. Everyone was picking on the thing. :)


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I understand the Wehrmacht had the same problem in WW II at the Remagen Bridge. There was a mix-up between civilian dynamite and military grade and the sappers used the specs for the wrong stuff and when they blew the bridge it didn't have enough oomph. As a result, the 9th US Armored was able to get across.



You may find this interesting~

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2482853#2482853




Indeed a good read ... RIP brave dad! :)

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Jo is the only one provided the with and without glasses by the FBI. They are high definition but, now the color is fading.

I have actual blown up copies that were made early on after I got them...in 1998. I can mail one to you Bruce, but will provide this to NO one else.

The one without Glasses is the best one and if you blow that up and one of Weber - you got a dead match - except for the nose.

The wide brimmed glasses is why the nose appears small. Cooper lowered his glasses or removed them only that one time as far as I know. That was to let Florence know he meant business & for her to READ the note.

Duane L. Weber was Dan Cooper!

I will be unable to mail a copy for several days. My computer is corrupted and all of the photos are showing the wrong colors and not the original state. I messed this up myself - but can't fix it.

You stated that Lee thought Weber was Cooper - WHY? I spoke to Lee only one time and that was long before I posted to this thread....When you appeared at their door - I only spoke to his wife. She had me hold on until Lee came back inside.

His remark to her "She's right" this was referencing you. We quickly said goodbye after she thanked me.
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Duane L. Weber was Dan Cooper!



You and BK sure think so, in spite of Z E R O evidence proving your contention. It's all hearsay, speculation and "poofed" physical evidence. Not one single piece of probative unambiguous physical evidence has been presented for examination. NWA ticket? Poof. Parachute hardware? Poof. Twenties? Poof. Parking ticket? Poof.

Too many treat the FBI sketches as if they were photographs of Cooper. I have seen sooooooo many instances where composite drawings put together by police from interviews with victims and witnesses turn out to look nothing like the real perpetrator.

READ THIS: http://www.innocenceproject.org/files/imported/eyewitness_id_report-4.pdf

Duane was an interesting character, I will certainly concede that point. I have seen NOTHING, however, which indicates that he was a participant in NORJACK.

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"...You stated that Lee thought Weber was Cooper - WHY? I spoke to Lee only one time and that was long before I posted to this thread....When you appeared at their door - I only spoke to his wife. She had me hold on until Lee came back inside.

His remark to her "She's right" this was referencing you. We quickly said goodbye after she thanked me...."



When I was speaking to Lee Dormuth the first time, he mentioned that you had called the night before. He wasn't sure I knew who you were when he mentioned your name, so he simply said, "She was married to him."

"You mean DB Cooper," I asked.

"Yeah," he replied.

That's it.

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