DB Cooper

[georger 8]

2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

I agree, in denominations of $20's the money would just fit tight in an average sized knapsack,,

By asking for it in a knapsack Cooper had it figured out that the authorities were to make it fit. No smaller than $20's.. if all 20's didn't fit they could have used some larger bills,, but since they ignored Cooper's demand (probably intentionally) we'll never know.

Tina may have an opinion about that - but we will never know that!  For various and sundry reasons ... known only to the Cooper Confessional.

Edited Wednesday at 05:31 PM by georger

[georger 8]

The original sketches drawn for Cooper are a puzzlement to me. The Gregory sketch was the first - interviewed in Washington but drawn by somebody in the Las Vegas Office? Why Las Vegas ? 

Next several days later the Mucklow-Schafner sketches, produced by which office where?

Why's the Gregory sketch so completely different? 

[CooperNWO305 45]

I took the McCrone spreadsheets and found 37 elements listed. Some of these are in small amounts.  I'll get to some percentages later.  If you remove the gas elements (Oxygen, the Nobel gasses (argon, neon, etc.) and the radioactive ones and obscure ones, then the remaining elements are represented well on this list.  My observation is that Cooper's tie contained quite a few, if not all of the most common elements possible in solid form.  I'll have to go back and see which common ones were not found on the tie. If anyone wants to look at the list and figure that out, go for it.

Name

Silver

Aluminum

Gold

Barium

Bismuth

Bromine

Calcium

Cadmium

Cerium

Chlorine

Cobalt

Chromium

Copper

Fluorine

Iron

Mercury

Potassium

Lanthanum

Magnesium

Manganese

Molybdenum

Sodium

Nickel

Phosphorus

Lead

Palladium

Sulfur

Antimony

Silicon

Tin

Strontium

Titanium

Vanadium

Tungsten

Yttrium

Zinc

Zirconium

[CooperNWO305 45]

4 hours ago, georger said:

The original sketches drawn for Cooper are a puzzlement to me. The Gregory sketch was the first - interviewed in Washington but drawn by somebody in the Las Vegas Office? Why Las Vegas ? 

Next several days later the Mucklow-Schafner sketches, produced by which office where?

Why's the Gregory sketch so completely different? 

There were some files on this sketch in a recent Vault release. I’ll have to check it out. 

[DBorDanCooperFan 0]

On 4/11/2022 at 7:45 AM, FLYJACK said:

Cooper demanding “American” currency and being Canadian. This is a funny one because I agree with the conclusion that he is not Canadian but the argument is wrong. The pilots said “American” currency.. Rataczak later said publicly Cooper asked for “American currency” and in the FBI files Tina said Cooper reiterated his demands to her saying “US currency”.. So, it is extremely strong evidence that Cooper qualified the currency with “American/US”.. Otherwise, Tina and the pilots had to add it. What does it mean.. it means that Cooper has experience with non US currency and likely recently. It does not mean he is Canadian, I don’t believe he is Canadian. It is extremely unlikely somebody who lived in the US their entire life having no experience with other currencies would qualify the currency with “American/US”. Imagine a bank robber asking for American/US currency,,, it doesn't make sense. Cooper could have been a foreigner or an American with a strong international influence.. Cooper was an international worker/traveller with recent experience or future expectation of a non US currency environment..

My first post!  I've always wondered with the currency:

1)  In the comic, did the comic character ask for US or American currency?

2)  Did the highjacker mirror any comic character quotes/dialect/phrases?

3)  Did the highjacker mirror any comic character actions besides taking a ransom and jumping from a plane?  I read he did ask for a knapsack like the comic.

Finally, I can't seem to find any info to if the previous suspects had any accents, had the temperament to remain cool and calm, were polite, etc.  Things like accents can be faked but not the ability to remain cool and calm when your adrenaline is surging.  A while back I was working in Va Beach and would occasionally hit the bars with some Navy Seals including the night or two before they would deploy/leave for an assignment.  They were all extremely "amped" up, couldn't sit still; none of ones I met would be able to remain cool and calm while in a bar.  It's very uncommon for someone with their adrenaline surging to remain calm while interacting with someone.

[georger 8]

14 hours ago, DBorDanCooperFan said:

My first post!  I've always wondered with the currency:

1)  In the comic, did the comic character ask for US or American currency?

2)  Did the highjacker mirror any comic character quotes/dialect/phrases?

3)  Did the highjacker mirror any comic character actions besides taking a ransom and jumping from a plane?  I read he did ask for a knapsack like the comic.

Finally, I can't seem to find any info to if the previous suspects had any accents, had the temperament to remain cool and calm, were polite, etc.  Things like accents can be faked but not the ability to remain cool and calm when your adrenaline is surging.  A while back I was working in Va Beach and would occasionally hit the bars with some Navy Seals including the night or two before they would deploy/leave for an assignment.  They were all extremely "amped" up, couldn't sit still; none of ones I met would be able to remain cool and calm while in a bar.  It's very uncommon for someone with their adrenaline surging to remain calm while interacting with someone.

You are asking questions and bringing up issues, that go to the core of the Cooper case. I wish we could get a Seal Team Commander to give his opinion of Cooper, Cooper's plan, and how Cooper conducted his hijacking from a tactical point of view. I have no opinion about the Dan Cooper comic persona and how that compares with DB Cooper. Carr has said he sees Cooper as a 'rank novice'/ amateur ? I wish Carr would explain that. Cooper had specific demands and a timeline. But he was VERY concerned about a sky marshal (ore two?) being on this flight - which seems to undermine his status as a fully informed tactical person. He said he was hijacking because the opportunity was presenting itself. He seems to have been in a hurry to do it and get it over with . . . like a bank robbery. ................................................. btw we have nothing about how Cooper and his clothing smelled ? Nothing if there was something that stood out. Its basic clues that solve cases. So far as I know no one has asked 'how did Cooper smell' - did anyone bother to ask Tina how Cooper smelled? Did his cloths smell of campfire smoke? etc

Edited Thursday at 06:24 PM by georger

[ParrotheadVol 29]

22 hours ago, DBorDanCooperFan said:

My first post!  I've always wondered with the currency:

1)  In the comic, did the comic character ask for US or American currency?

2)  Did the highjacker mirror any comic character quotes/dialect/phrases?

3)  Did the highjacker mirror any comic character actions besides taking a ransom and jumping from a plane?  I read he did ask for a knapsack like the comic.

Did the comic character, "Dan Cooper", hijack a plane in the comic? 

[ParrotheadVol 29]

On 6/29/2022 at 9:50 AM, CooperNWO305 said:

Regardless, if he landed with the money, then he would have been very motivated to get it out of the area, and would have figured a way to carry it out, or stash it.

So, what do you think he did (assuming he landed with the money)? Getting it out of the area makes the TB find harder to explain, right? I don't know if I believe he lost the money, or stashed it. But I have a hard time believing that he left the area with the money....if he even survived, which I kinda believe he did.

Edited Friday at 02:08 AM by ParrotheadVol

[CooperNWO305 45]

11 hours ago, ParrotheadVol said:

So, what do you think he did (assuming he landed with the money)? Getting it out of the area makes the TB find harder to explain, right? I don't know if I believe he lost the money, or stashed it. But I have a hard time believing that he left the area with the money....if he even survived, which I kinda believe he did.

Parrot: There are many scenarios as you know, so I have a few in my head that could work, but I realize that what happened may not even have occurred to us.  So for me it comes down to probability versus certainty.  Some options are simply more likely than others.  Here goes.

He hijacked the plane and got the $200k, risked his life (maybe he only had a few years left to live).  So he is highly focused on getting away with the money.

I subscribe to the 8:12 jump time, and that the plane was north of the river, and that the winds were blowing north/northeast.  Therefore I find it less probable that he landed in water, and even if he did, the chances of him landing in deep water are slim. The diatom research helps give some credibility to him not landing in the water too.

The Tina Bar money was 300 bills of 10,000.  6%.  You'd think we would have found some other bills in the area.  It's possible they are still out there, or that the bills traveled 100 miles to the ocean.  Possible, but is it probable?

I believe he lived.  It's possible the parachute near the Hession store was his.  If it wasn't, then I'm thinking he buried it or took it with him and disposed of it far away.  So no money, no parachute, no nothing.  The money may have gone into circulation.  We just don't know.  There was no way to systematically find those bills, contrary to what some people say.  He could have spent the $20s.  There were billions of those series in circulation.  Even if he spent 10% of the money, that is still a lot of money to a blue collar worker in 1971.  His goal could have been a surgery, or college for his kids, etc.  He may not have needed all $200k.

The Tina Bar money could possibly have dropped from the plane later than when he jumped.  We do know the plane flew over the river at some point.  It is odd that the amount found and in the configuration it was found is likely the same amount that he took out and offered to Tina.  He could have done the same to someone on the road when he landed.  There are many ways that $6000 could have been separated.

If he landed in the water, I'd have a better feeling that the money washed into the ocean, assuming it did not get caught up anywhere.  I'm not sure if there were any dams or locks, etc. on that river then.  Maybe someone can answer that.

If I had to speculate, this is what I would say.  He got on the steps with $200k or with $193k.  He landed with most of it.  He stashed most of it, and escaped, my guess is by rail.  I can explain that if people want to hear.  The benefit of stashing the money is that if he is caught and stopped, he has no ties to the hijacking, none.  He could have found some garbage bags and buried the money and come back years later.  He goes home, gets the rest of the money later, spends some over a period of time, does not get greedy, keeps working, and eventually retires.  I often wonder sometimes if he had cancer and wanted to provide for his family, but then maybe beat the cancer or prolonged his life.  If he had mental issues then he might have known he'd end up in a VA hospital or mental hospital. Not fun, but not prison.  I've read of a few hijackers that were only incarcerated for a few years.

[CooperNWO305 45]

I took the list of elements by abundance in the Earth's crust and then compared it to Cooper's tie.  A note of "gas" means I know it is a gas and therefore was not found on the tie in solid form.  A no means it was not found on his tie.  Here is the list in order of abundance.  I noticed that Carbon was not found on the tie, that seems odd.  Platinum was not either, but maybe that's because it is very rare.  EDIT: I thought for a second here. Carbon should have shown up, a lot. I think I found out why. From Citizen Sleuths "Sticky carbon tape on stubs were used to lift samples from the tie (Fig. 2) and Fig. 2 Circles represent sample sites where sticky tape was used.were examined under the scanning electron microscope (SEM)."  They must have taken this out of the calculation.

Element    On Cooper's tie?
oxygen    Gas
silicon    Yes
aluminum    Yes
iron    Yes
calcium    Yes
sodium    Yes
magnesium    Yes
potassium    Yes
titanium    Yes
hydrogen    Gas
phosphorus    Yes
manganese    Yes
fluorine    Yes
barium    Yes
strontium    Yes
sulphur    Yes
carbon    No
zirconium    Yes
chlorine    Yes
vanadium    Yes
chromium    Yes
rubidium    No
nickel    Yes
zinc    Yes
cerium    Yes
copper    Yes
neodymium    No
lanthanum    Yes
yttrium    Yes
nitrogen    Gas
cobalt    Yes
scandium    No
lithium    No
niobium    No
gallium    No
lead    Yes
boron    No
thorium    No
praseodymium    No
samarium    No
gadolinium    No
dysprosium    No
erbium    No
argon    Gas
ytterbium    No
hafnium    No
caesium    No
beryllium    No
uranium    No
bromine    Yes
tin    Yes
tantalum    No
europium    No
arsenic    No
germanium    No
tungsten    Yes
holmium    No
molybdenum    Yes
terbium    No
thallium    No
lutetium    No
thulium    No
iodine    No
indium    No
antimony    Yes
cadmium    Yes
mercury    Yes
silver    Yes
selenium    No
palladium    Yes
bismuth    Yes
helium    Gas
neon    Gas
platinum    No
gold    Yes
osmium    No
tellurium    No
ruthenium    No
iridium    No
rhodium    No
rhenium    No
krypton    Gas
xenon    Gas
protactinium    No
radium    No
polonium    No
plutonium    No
neptunium    No
technetium    No
actinium    No
radon    No
promethium    No
francium    No
 

 

Edited Friday at 04:24 PM by CooperNWO305

[georger 8]

17 hours ago, ParrotheadVol said:

So, what do you think he did (assuming he landed with the money)? Getting it out of the area makes the TB find harder to explain, right? I don't know if I believe he lost the money, or stashed it. But I have a hard time believing that he left the area with the money....if he even survived, which I kinda believe he did.

Well the Courts, FBI, and the Justice Dept screwed itself and historical truth when it allowed the Ingram find to be split up between competing interests. My guess is the Ingram find represents a sheared-off section of Cooper bundles. Modern technology could have reassembled the Ingram find so we would know exactly what state the find was in, and what it was, when discovered by the Ingrams. If the Ingram find is a sheared off section of Cooper money then only a small number of options apply ... its a shame this case is being destroyed by speculators and greedy media interests and book writers. This case literally overlaps the development of modern technologies which could have been used in this case, if people had only had the foresight to wait and retool. Answers would have followed! 

Edited Friday at 07:55 PM by georger