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No one will have to put up with me much longer....

One surgery is being done so that I can stay functional - the right hand is first.

Not going into detail about what the 2 other procedures entail, but my cancer markers are up. The last time I did these procedures they almost lost me....but, we have to know the extent of the culprit that plagues me.

I wrote a lot but deleted it - I just want to live out what is left of my life comfortably and not be dependent on appliances to extend my life.
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Post includes the truth about former DZ user 'Georger,' aka Jerry Warner, aka page whatever in the Geoff Gray book Skyjack, aka former educator whom some parents were dumb enough to turn loose on their kids:

File under: How Do You Like Me Now?

From AB's 'Told Ya So' Department: Seen today at the alternate site run by Shutter:

Georger: This transparent dolt, Blevins, now sayz yada-yada-yada:

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Jan 17, 2015, 1:48 PM (Dropzone/DB Cooper thread)
Post #56918 of 56921 (85 views)

(I expect Georger will copy over this post for the alternate site run by Shutter, and then do his usual ugly trashing. He does this with my posts regularly. My sympathies to you guys over there who are forced to wade through his rants. The only thing I wonder is how he got my unlisted phone number, and why he tried to call me at midnight on a weekday. Brother, that is OCD obsession all the way. ;) ) And before you call me a liar about that incident, you could message me and request the snapshot I took of the Caller ID showing his full name, phone number with area code and the time and date he called. Happy to provide. Just lucky for him Gayla didn't pick up the phone. She would have ripped his head off for calling that late.

She has a policy about any AB or cleaning customers calling after 7PM. If he really feels the need to talk to me, he should call and leave a message. Then I will judge the content of his message and decide whether I want to talk to him or not. And Georger...don't call after 7PM Pacific.


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Georger, AKA Jeremiah Warner: Fact is, Mr. Blevins, you phone number was listed right on your AB website until you took it down! That's how I got it! No master sleuthing involved. Any idiot (like you!) could have found it, and did. You were trashing me on Dropzone so I decided it was time to call you "on the spot" in real time in the middle of your little act, as you were posting your trash to Dropzone .... and you answered! Funny. You have since revised your websites and taken down all artifacts of phone numbers and obvious contact information. This is bullshit.

You are so obsessive about advertising yourself and Adventure Books of Seattle, which is actually in an apartment in Aurburn WA (no A.B. Books offices at all!)... that you still have pdf's etc active on the we where you phone number and address are still listed by you for the public to use, in addition to your ad for "my famous Newsvine column" ... blah blah blah.

That is how I contacted you, you transparent whining shape-shifting dolt!

You can't have it both ways Blevins. You put your crap out on the web promoting yourself and your greatness for people to see = Here's just one place where you are still advertising yourself and your phone number! (Provides link to a phone number)



Hmm. Whatever. We do actually HAVE an office, by the way. And an email link at the website. As I said, if you want to call, do it before 7PM Pacific please, instead of midnight on weekdays. We would appreciate it. :S

Geez Louise. Thank God he is someone else's problem now, and not Dropzone's. :S


You know how it is. Sometimes a point needs to be stressed a second time before people pay attention to it.


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skyjack71

Grow up, boys.

Some individuals never grow up, but they participate in adult activies.



Well, you know how it is. Everyone at this office got tired of his constant copy/paste rants. And yes, we can be contacted contrary to what HE says.

Like HERE...or maybe HERE. Or possibly HERE. The main reason our office phone isn't listed at the website is because if it were, we would be bombarded with calls from everyone who has a manuscript or wants to be published. So we make people use the email links. And although the contact links are there, we are currently closed to submissions. ;)

EDIT: Can you BELIEVE it? Seattle Seahawks pull off the biggest comeback in NFC Championship Game history (no one has EVER come back from a 16-0 deficit to win) and get a second straight trip to the Super Bowl.

You gotta love it. I shouted out the window of my office, where I was listening to the game on radio via announcers Warren Moon and Steve Raible:

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'How do you like us NOW...' :)



I hear fireworks going off outside. Hope they don't start shooting the guns, anyway...:S

Heard later via Dori Monson at KIRO radio that some Hawk fans were seen pouring out of the parking garage at Century Link Field at the five-minute mark. LOL...suckers. They not only missed the comeback, but the celebration that followed. And it costs a lot to go to a championship game. They will always regret leaving. B|


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RobertMBlevins

***Grow up, boys.

Some individuals never grow up, but they participate in adult activies.



Well, you know how it is. Everyone at this office got tired of his constant copy/paste rants. And yes, we can be contacted contrary to what HE says.

Like HERE...or maybe HERE. Or possibly HERE. The main reason our office phone isn't listed at the website is because if it were, we would be bombarded with calls from everyone who has a manuscript or wants to be published. So we make people use the email links. And although the contact links are there, we are currently closed to submissions. ;)

EDIT: Can you BELIEVE it? Seattle Seahawks pull off the biggest comeback in NFC Championship Game history (no one has EVER come back from a 16-0 deficit to win) and get a second straight trip to the Super Bowl.

You gotta love it. I shouted out the window of my office, where I was listening to the game on radio via announcers Warren Moon and Steve Raible:

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'How do you like us NOW...' :)



I hear fireworks going off outside. Hope they don't start shooting the guns, anyway...:S

I hate the Patriots, so I was sort of pulling for Green Bay because I like their chances against the Pats more than I do Seattles. I have much more faith in Rodgers than I do Russell Wilson. If they face the Pats, they better start strong. They won't come back like that against Brady & Co.
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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Today is a good day to be a Seahawks fan.

Whew.

And I only went over to my neighbor's to see the game at halftime because it started at noon, Pacific Time, Ug.

It was my first NFL game drinking coffee, eating bananas and taking my BP meds....

...but clearly my presence made a difference. Some days it's worth getting out of bed!

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R99 Replies:

The Cooper vane applies only to the Boeing 727 and no other aircraft.



The ex SAS DC 9-21 (owned by the Perris Valley DZ in CA) that I jumped out of in 2006 had a Cooper Vane but it didn't stop us from jumping as the airstairs had been removed for the jump flights. I took a close-up photo of the Cooper Vane and have it somewhere.

377



The article from Wikipedia that 377 quotes (in the next message following the one quoted above) has three references which cannot be accessed from the Internet. Thus, the information cannot be independently verified easily.

On August 11, 2011, Farflung (#25726 & 25731), 377 (#25730), and Georger (#25740), and other posts, discussed the subject of the Cooper vane.

Farflung could not find any FAA directive mandating that the Cooper vane be installed on 727s.

377 has personal knowledge of such a vane being installed on an ex-SAS DC9-21 which is now owned and operated by USA citizens.

Georger states that Boeing personnel have informed him that the Cooper vane for the 727 was their idea and was eventually approved by the FAA.

Consequently, there does not seem to be any directive, either manufacturer's or FAA's, that mandates the installation of a Cooper vane on USA registered DC-9/MD-80 series aircraft.

The Wikipedia article states that some airlines simply sealed the rear aft stairs and never used them again.

From personal experience, the last time I remember using the aft stairs on any airliner was in the early 1980s and it was an MD-80 series aircraft.

It looks like the Cooper vane does not have any final definitive information on its installation and use requirements.

Robert99

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BruceSmith

Another Public Service Announcement and Quiz

Parrot Man at the Shutter site raises an interesting point about the FBI. In one of his comments he says, "The FBI are not dummies."

Hence, the question: What are the FBI? If not "dummies," then how can the FBI in the Norjak investigation be best described?

Here are your choices:

1. Unlucky.

2. Solid, but they need more resources, another 1,000 agents and $100 million should do it.

3. Top-notch, but some crimes are just unsolvable.

4. Federal bureaucracies are like women: hard to manage, never on time, and rarely get the job done. But they look good doing whatever it is that they do.

5. Okay as cops, but they need more time because DB Cooper is a complicate case with multiple jurisdictions, no hard evidence, etc....

6. Sloppy at times, but basically decent.

7. Better than NCIS!

8. Left-wing, pinko, liberal Democrat crap like Prince Bruce have NO IDEA about the FBI and shouldn't even be asking this question.



Sorry Mr. Bruce, I wasn't ignoring your poll, but my new work schedule has left me with less time to hang out here at the DZ. Keep in mind that my comment about the FBI not being dumb was a present tense comment about how they would respond to any new circumstantial evidence being presented on known "suspects". I have had interactions with the FBI in the past and anticipate more in the future. I can assure you they are not dummies. However, in 1971, I was 5 years old and probably couldn't even spell FBI. So, I can't really attest to their intellect at that time. I would however go with unlucky and somewhat sloppy, a combo of option 1 & 6. I do agree with Blevins that some crimes are unsolvable, but I don't think the Cooper case falls into that category. At least it didn't at the time, it may very well be unsolvable at this late hour.
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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Actually, I've done the email and phone call thing with FBI agents in Seattle several times over the years. I even got to speak in-person to Bob Fuhrman for about an hour. He was the agent who assisted in interviewing the witnesses who deplaned in Seattle. Unlike some of you, he thought my point about finding at least three bundles of the Tena Bar cash in the same exact spot MILES from the flight path was significant. He also told me no one had thought of this as being important when they investigated the money find. But he did...once I pointed out that these bundles would have had to be roped together or tied with little strings so they wouldn't get separated for this to happen. Surprised?



Robert, the point you make about the bundles was discussed on this very forum by Larry Carr long before you ever spoke to Bob Fuhrman. So, he may not have ever thought of that being important, but others obviously did. The proof is in this very thread.
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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***Actually, I've done the email and phone call thing with FBI agents in Seattle several times over the years. I even got to speak in-person to Bob Fuhrman for about an hour. He was the agent who assisted in interviewing the witnesses who deplaned in Seattle. Unlike some of you, he thought my point about finding at least three bundles of the Tena Bar cash in the same exact spot MILES from the flight path was significant. He also told me no one had thought of this as being important when they investigated the money find. But he did...once I pointed out that these bundles would have had to be roped together or tied with little strings so they wouldn't get separated for this to happen. Surprised?



Robert, the point you make about the bundles was discussed on this very forum by Larry Carr long before you ever spoke to Bob Fuhrman. So, he may not have ever thought of that being important, but others obviously did. The proof is in this very thread.

Really? Where exactly? And what point would that be about the bundles of cash found at Tena Bar. I've mentioned a few. :)
Best highlights on the Seahawk game are HERE. Beats Georger's copy/paste hate-based rants ANYTIME. Guaranteed. :)


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Robert, you said this:

Unlike some of you, he thought my point about finding at least three bundles of the Tena Bar cash in the same exact spot MILES from the flight path was significant. He also told me no one had thought of this as being important when they investigated the money find. But he did...once I pointed out that these bundles would have had to be roped together or tied with little strings so they wouldn't get separated for this to happen. Surprised?


In 2007, on the first DB Cooper forum, Larry Carr said the following:

"There were multiple bundles recovered under 3 to 6 inches of sand, just at the waters edge (according to the Ingrams) no bricks of money. I found reference to four bundles, of which the rubber bands were still around them, there were 290 20's. I can't imagine the bundles broke from the bag and entered the river at some other location and then multiple bundles land at the same beach several miles down stream. Once in the flow of the river there would be nothing to keep the bundles together to allow several of them to land at the same beach. "

So, this proves that someone with the FBI was aware that those stacks of money could not have arrived at Tena Bar independent of each other. It was not you that originally came to that conclusion.
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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Robert, you said this:

Unlike some of you, he thought my point about finding at least three bundles of the Tena Bar cash in the same exact spot MILES from the flight path was significant. He also told me no one had thought of this as being important when they investigated the money find. But he did...once I pointed out that these bundles would have had to be roped together or tied with little strings so they wouldn't get separated for this to happen. Surprised?


In 2007, on the first DB Cooper forum, Larry Carr said the following:

"There were multiple bundles recovered under 3 to 6 inches of sand, just at the waters edge (according to the Ingrams) no bricks of money. I found reference to four bundles, of which the rubber bands were still around them, there were 290 20's. I can't imagine the bundles broke from the bag and entered the river at some other location and then multiple bundles land at the same beach several miles down stream. Once in the flow of the river there would be nothing to keep the bundles together to allow several of them to land at the same beach. "

So, this proves that someone with the FBI was aware that those stacks of money could not have arrived at Tena Bar independent of each other. It was not you that originally came to that conclusion.



Well, I did not know all that. Guess that proves I'm just as smart as some FBI agents. One thing's for sure.
I don't like it when people lie to me. When they do that, I am going to find out their motivation on why. :)
Funny thing, though. When I brought up this point originally on the Tena Bar money, people blasted me to no end. Turns out the FBI was thinking the same thing all along.


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Sometimes people lie just to lie. No motivation needed. I used to date a girl once upon a time who was a smoker. I didn't mind her smoking, but she told me she was going to quit. She did this just so she could lie about not doing it. She always lied about insignificant things. I never understood why. She just loved to lie, it made her happy.
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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ParrotheadVol

Sometimes people lie just to lie. No motivation needed. I used to date a girl once upon a time who was a smoker. I didn't mind her smoking, but she told me she was going to quit. She did this just so she could lie about not doing it. She always lied about insignificant things. I never understood why. She just loved to lie, it made her happy.



Sounds like a personal problem to me.

And sometimes people lie because they are trying to hide their involvement in something bigger than sneaking the occasional cigarette. ;)


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Well, sir you have not researched the history of Duane's family I presented.
Duane's brother had the schematic of the 727 in his home...I know others have claimed that was not true...



Interestingly the "schematic" doesn't tell you enough to know if a 727 stair jump is feasible.

Take a look: https://sites.google.com/site/boeing727172airstairs/

To REALLY know you'd have to have access to the Boeing flight tests that were made on behalf of a government customer.

Sheridan Peterson might have had access since he worked in technical documentation at Boeing, a job he took after being unable to get 727 airstair info from his landlord Sailshaw.

Sailshaw was a Boeing engineer who worked on the 737 airstair, a side deployed system used by Alaska Airlines and not at all practical for jumping.

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"...Guess that proves I'm just as smart as some FBI agents. One thing's for sure.
I don't like it when people lie to me. When they do that, I am going to find out their motivation on why. :)
Funny thing, though. When I brought up this point originally on the Tena Bar money, people blasted me to no end. Turns out the FBI was thinking the same thing all along..."



Bobby, have you ever been to T-Bar? Just askin'.

Wonderin' too how come you misspell it.

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Well, sir you have not researched the history of Duane's family I presented.
Duane's brother had the schematic of the 727 in his home...I know others have claimed that was not true...



To REALLY know you'd have to have access to the Boeing flight tests that were made on behalf of a government customer.

377



377 Duane's brother was with Boeing and he was an engineer and his friend was Stanley Gilliam who did some testing of some sort regarding Boeing.

That is the extent of what I know about what John told me. He used the words schematics....this was in the developement stage when Duane was using his wife to pick him up at the local bar and borrowed her car. John was not happy about all of this.

If you look up John Claudia Weber or maybe it was Claudian John Weber perhaps you can find out what his status was with Boeing and during the war. Perhaps that will explain why members of Duane's family were at the opening presentation of the Boeing 727.

I have not only Duane telling me this but also his brother. John divorced that first wife and then he remarried a wonderful woman.

I do not know when he divorced one or when he married the other.
I did not have enough information back then to ask John the right questions...and when I did he was having hearing problems and why it was so important to him that he meet me in 2004 when my then current husband I went to Loma Linda for the proton radiation treatments which BOUGHT him 2 more good yrs. Then when it came back he was gone withing a yr or so.

Don't know the exact dates but Jim died in 2007. Such a short time with a wonderful man who fought a great battle with cancer.

We had 7 yrs together and Duane and I had 17 yrs not counting the 9 months were just together.

With Duane and I it started on my birthday and it was magic.

Not sure I have the yrs right above, but not feeling well and very tired.
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Tena's bar versus Tina's bar. I heard a story about the sign having been misspelled, but do not remember which came first.

In one book it written up as Tena's bar and it was not till we started this thread that it became Tina's bar. Someone at one time offered the story as one of the Fazio's told it.

It was not something I felt I needed to know - I just call it Tena's bar because that is what for some reason sticks out in my mind.

Perhaps a map with Tena's bar on it in one of the books or a new article.
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"...Guess that proves I'm just as smart as some FBI agents. One thing's for sure.
I don't like it when people lie to me. When they do that, I am going to find out their motivation on why. :)
Funny thing, though. When I brought up this point originally on the Tena Bar money, people blasted me to no end. Turns out the FBI was thinking the same thing all along..."



Bobby, have you ever been to T-Bar? Just askin'.

Wonderin' too how come you misspell it.



*Can't say I've ever been there. I don't think it matters much whether Tena or Tina is used here. Everyone knows the place in reference.

(*The above can be classified as a boring response...:)
EDIT: One of our cleaning customers is a recently-retired senior executive from Boeing. I have asked her about employee records and information availability on former employees of The Boeing Company. She told me Boeing is extremely rigid in their policy about giving out any information, including dates of employment with the company, or what someone actually did for Boeing. She said about the only thing they will confirm is whether or not someone's information is correct, that is, when a former employee uses Boeing as a reference. AB staff did find out from outside sources (family members, as well as Bernie Geestman himself) that Bernie worked on the 727 as a machinist, but no other details were available. I probably should have questioned Margie Geestman closer on this. My mistake. Unfortunately, I can't do another follow-up interview since she is probably in Costa Rica with her half-million bucks she collected from the Washington State Fish and Game Department, (along with those handy e-deposit Social Security checks) sucking down tequila sunrises. B|


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The Dr.s must have communicated.
My family Dr. ordered a mamogram today & got it scheduled for Friday & I have Blood test on Monday. I am redoing my will tomorrow.

When I got home the gastro office had called....how the hell am I supposed to do a colonoscopy with a cast on my hand. They are moving very fast....too fast.

My hand will be in a hard cast for 2 wks. I do not know how I can handle all of this.

2 of the procedures scheduled require the provider of the transportation to stay with me until the procedures is completed and then to drive me home. Why would someone have to stay during a procedure that has no say if anything goes wrong?

They also scheduled a mamogram and the pre-opts. Really surprised they are moving so fast.

It is overwhelming right now.

My car is 14 yrs old.

Tomorrow I need to get the oil changed and see my attorney.

So much so fast & I expect it will get worse. I am trying to find sources that are not so expensive.

I had been trying to get the house ready for the market - but that keeps getting delayed. A reverse mortgage is not an option because that would only tie me to the area & I do not want to be here....as I have NO family who can be here for me.

I am rejecting my own hair & a problem with my eyes. Flashes of lightning bolts & now a lump on my cheek not to mention other lumps that come and go and they are painful. The flushings are bad and the rashes unrelenting. One would think I was on chemo...but, I am not.

Testing was done last yr for the light flashes & a brain scan was done - guess they wanted to see if I had a brain. The test result was weird as the Dr. said what do they mean - "Not to be confused with true pathology"....that was on a Brain MRI.:)
In the middle of all of this I have to have new glasses & can't find a frame that fits my weird face that will accomdate tri-focals. My old frame is falling apart.

Well, that will be the last update you guys get until I know what the hell is wrong...remember my blood work has shown Mono for 3 yrs now, but I had no symptoms of it until after the last surgery & an incident with a bloody needle.

17 days later I couldn't put one foot in front of the other the fatigue was so bad. The blood work was not norma,l but has at least stayed about the same other than the RISE in the cancer markers...

Lyme's disease in 1977
Rabies shots in 2004
Bloody needle in 2012

Lots of dental work from
1999 to 2006...often wondered
what kind of materials he use for
the cores because it was in 2004 things got so bad. I have heard a rumor about some dentist cutting
corners & using a core and other materials that are toxic, but never found anything on the computer about it.

Right now I think they are looking at lymphoma. I just know I hurt and I have lumps that move around & some that stay localized....not to mention the horrid rashs & constant flushing.

Hell, I am just looking for a reason for all of the symptoms collectively. The worse & most pointed epidsodes came after the rabies series....The vacine in part of what I recieve was in a re-call batch...but they never told me why the batch was recalled in 2004.

Got 6 shots the first night & then a series of shots for wks after that. The batch the health dept used was not the recalled drug, the first shots they could not verify the batch....it was a hurricane. 3 bats captured & tested the yr before --- 2 were rabid. The recall was not made public until 3/4 months later.
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*Can't say I've ever been there. I don't think it matters much whether Tena or Tina is used..."



It matters to me. The Tena canard could be a misdirect or a spin job.

Why doesn't that matter to you?



It's just a name for a beach on the Columbia River, not a conspiracy thought up by the brainiacs at Area 51.

Tell you what. I will try to remember to spell it properly. I know the sign leading to the beach says 'TINA Bar', not the other spelling. So we will agree on 'Tina' as the correct spelling.

Sometimes you can be genuinely funny, Bruce. And I don't mean that in a bad way. ;)


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You say"Sheridan Peterson might have had access since he worked in technical documentation at Boeing, a job he took after being unable to get 727 airstair info from his landlord Sailshaw."

I say Sheridan knew about the 727 aft airstair test rig in the old B-29 hanger on the East side of Boeing field. Ir was part of the 727 FCTR Flight Control Test Rig and was fully functional and available to anyone with a Boeing badge like Sheridan had. I know I told him about the test rig as he was quite interested in the 727 airstairs

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com

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matthewcline

57, 000~ posts, and this thread still talks about none suspects, and debunked theory and conspiracy.

It is good training material for any one going into the mental health area though.

Matt



An excellent observation. There will probably be several PhD Dissertations written by mental health professionals who use this thread as their major research source.

Robert99

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