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That means Lepsy was neither the first nor second coming of Duane Weber. However, Jo Weber will probably claim that Duane knew him just as she claims that Duane and I are related, that Duane knew Vickie's father, and that Georger is responsible for JFK's death.




Duane did KNOW Vickie's father. He told me that when there was an article in the Atlanta News Journal with a picture of the site of the conterfit money find. Duane told me then a few yrs later on a trip to South FL about a man who lived near there and mentioned the counterfeit 20's again.

The remarks in Atlanta were a few yrs before and I did NOT connect them to the same guy in Florida.

Later my daughter I believe called me about an article in a the Orlando Senteniell about a man who had died and Cooper was mentioned in the article because of the 20's. The man who came forward after this man died told a friend who thought it should be told....and some how Cooper got into the article.

I had the article at one time and spoke to the journalist in the small town who had published in the local paper.

When I found him the paper had been closed for 2 wks and the phone was directed to his home until the affairs concerning the paper were settled.

He was able to put me intouch with the man who knew the $20 man who died. It took serveral calls for me to connnect to the man. His wife usually answered the phone but the man was rarely there.

I did finally get to have a phone conversation with the man. He told me that when he developed an illness he was unable to pay his bills and could not get medical treatment.

The $20 man told the guy he had gotten in some trouble about $20 counterfeit bills and was a wanted man and could not apply for assistance. Evidently this man had enough compassion he did not call the authorities and help this man get some medical assistance with out his having to apply thru the system.

Why make a man who has spent a good part of his life being an honest citizen die in a prison cell to obtain medical help. When the guy died - he decided after revealing what the guy had told him that he might be Cooper.

That is how Cooper entered the conversation and when I contacted him I told him about my husband knowing a man who had conterfieted 20's.

Then yrs later Vickie comes to this thread after evidently lofting some place...she posted pictures of her mother with the kids - I had seen that picture and the lights went on.

The picture was sent to me by Duane's ex-wife who is also now deceased. When I remarried I threw away a lot of things and the last things. MJ Duane then common law wife said the picture was of some old friends they knew in CA. and in the Ms/Ks area - they all went to the same bar.

Duane had said the same thing about the man with the 20's - he used to go to the same bar...

Now after Vickie reveals more of her story - she mentions that her father was in the same prison at the same time Duane was there. Their prison stays over-lapped for over a yr.

I believe that prison was San Quentin.
When Vickie first came to the thread I did not know that - I did not know that until the last few months when she posted her fathers criminal record on that other thread - it was not that detailed in the DZ.

So tell me - with the above set of cirmcustances - and both of us telling a story the other had never heard and yet they stories we both had told before we knew the other existed...

THAT is just a LITTLE TOO MUCH of a co-incidence for me and for the FBI.

IF anyone thinks any of this is made up then check out other places I have posted & things I posted in this thread & 101 & unsolved mysteries....

All I have done is recited the things Duane told me time after time. The DZ has allowed me to do this in detail and for there to be inter-exchanges with individual I would never have had the opportunity to have known anythng about....

I knew about the damn red & white car because Duane told me about it.
IT was this man he knew that was crazy about his car....there was a picture in a newspaper or an article about the missing man in the late 70's. I did not pay any attention to it and did not connect it to what Duane would tell me YRS later in approx 1983.

Duane knew the man - and that was Vickie's father and I have not one iota doubt about this. Did Vickie truely come to this thread to find her father or did she think he was Cooper. Evidently she thought he was Cooper!

The picture I saw was of a woman and 2 children I believe. The woman was sitting on a couch and there seems like there was a 3rd child...which could have been one of Mary Janes children. They met in 1962 in CA and then reconnected in the area of the three states...I forget their names now Ks, Ms and another state.

MJ used many versions of her name and under the Collins name she knew Duane by...and then then in 1968 the told her his real name was Weber.

Therefore Vickies Dad would have know Duane and his companion as John or Johnnie Collins and M.J or Marie, or Mary Jane....I do not know how many version of her name she used...

If Vickie REALLY wants to find out I can put her in touch with the oldest daughter...the youngest one is deceased. They were old enough to remember something...at that time in 1962 to 1968.

Since her father and Duane were in the same prison at the same time they knew each other. That mean a statement Duane made about Tahoe or Reno & knowing a man who was a counterfeiter was just another co-incidence. MJ tell about their living in CA. and 1962 to 1966 some of that is a blurr....even the FBI doesn't know where Daune L. Weber aka John or Johnnie Collins was and they openly admitted that.

Counterfeiter did more than counterfeit money - the also provided false information - false ss cards. I bet some of that John Collins ID was made by Vickies father and I just thought about that...

If Vickie can produce something her father counterfeited then it could be matched with the false ID's that Duane Weber had under the name of JOHN C. COLLINS.
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So you are delivering nasty messages for Galen Cook who was bannished from this thread...

Galen was not an attorney when he claimed he was one. Galen was shocked I had a picture of the building he worked in - he could not figure out how I got that information.

Only one time did I speak to anyone at that office - it was NOT Galen's office.

That is all I have to say! The man caused me a lot of problems & now he wants to kill me off. What is going on. Why would GALEN be attacking me now - he has not been the subject of conversation on this thread. Perhaps I need to see if someone can do a picture of his letter - the one he wrote to me & the picture of the man he was claiming was Cooper. Let you guys decided who has lost their marbles.

Bruce as you know I am very ill & I ask YOU not to post inflammatory posting such as this - message from Galen. I expect he is telling horrid things on that other thread.

Bruce you have NO respect for anyone & I have SERIOUS Dr.s appt coming up - my cancer markers have maxed out and my fatigue level is in the toilet.

I am trying to finish my mission - because I won't be around to finish it & a lot of individuals like you & Galen want to be sure you make me sound like a crazy woman...

Well, I am not & I have told the truths & don't need you adding fuel to all of this. I wasn't going to send a certain letter out - but perhaps I should - a letter about you!

Your playing message boy is not a good thing - are you Galen's puppet? Do you have a mind of your own? Have you ever learned how to respect others...?

Galen is playing you exactly the way he played me....earlier today I quoted one of his emails to an individual, so Galen must now be aware of this...Good! That quote from GALEN was about YOU. So who is lieing - you or Galen?

The individual I trusted - I now know cannot be trusted - so glad I did not send him a special package I was going to copy & send to him...so someone would have it...a piece of history that Cossey shared with me....

Yea, Cossey sent me a very special gift, I never revealed it to anyone. Cossey was actually a very nice guy - but you pushed him & Cossey was fed up with the media...he just wanted to have a life.

The email I sent to another person today PROVES Galen was a user of people. It was a copy of an email Galen sent to me regarding you - yes U! Doing what Galen does best - pulling the puppet strings.

Therefore this other person must have shared it with U or with Galen....? Which one?

I should know BETTER than to TRUST anyone. Is GALEN pissed I copied one of his emails to a friend? Well, as least I didn't plaster it all over the world!

GALEN couldn't even wait till this guy got the pictures Cossey sent me. So who is playing who in Cooper world? I don't play I just tell the truth as I know it. Some things are speculation on my part. but I almost always identify it as such.

Now the only way those pictures I promised to the other party will be seen is if the FBI shows them. I will make sure Galen never sees the pictures unless the FBI provides them to him. I would never post them on this thread...and considering the posting tonight by you - perhaps Galen needs to converse with the other party. Galen BLEW it!

The other person I liked - but at this point I have NO idea who to trust.
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BruceSmith

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How wacky is Jo?

One more. George Nuttall can be added to the list



Galen has asked me to post this addendum to the question, Is Jo a whacko?

"Please don't forget to add at the DZ what I stated about Richard Tosaw and Jo.

Tosaw told me that Jo was a "disturbed, nasty old lady, who contrives stories to fit her agenda." I concur with those comments. That's why Tosaw instructed his law office staff to hang-up whenever Jo called. And they did.

Please put this at DZ, Bruce."

Who are you? Galen Cook's Messenger Boy?

What gall Cook has. Since you ARE his messenger boy, ("Call for Philip Morris!") why don't you ask him this:

He has previously stated that he received several emails from my co-author Skipp Porteous, where he says Porteous said some really disparaging things about me. Ask him to produce even ONE of those emails. If he can't, then I will catalog his statements as lies.

PS: Before he answers, you might want to inform him I already discussed this issue with Porteous.

Cook (aka 'CoopSnoop') wants to call people 'wackos?' He's the same guy who said he was showing up with guests, a radio and video crew, a process server, and of all people...Bernie Geestman, to Auburn Days. All supposedly to confront me. None of those things happened. That's pretty wacky, wouldn't you say? The guy has personal issues, that's obvious. I had no intention of bringing this up again, i.e. Cook's lies about the emails, and his weirdo stuff he had planned for the Auburn Days Festival last August.

But I think if you are going to do Messenger Boy for Cook, you should know who you are working for. ;)


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Jo does not bash other people or call them name and when she does it is because to a certain extent it is necessary.

Galen Cook was banned for the very thing that just transpired.

YET, I can't read what they are posting - I didn't want to post just to be aware of this type of activitity.

Well, the only thing that would have triggered the response by Galen he used Bruce for - coincided with my communications with a poster in the other thread or who obviously has private communications with Galen.

I am really disappointed in the individual...and until I can view what is in that other thread....there will be no more communications.

I am going to start doing Copies of Galen/s Private EMails to me, but I need to know if that is legal & the only way to do that is contact the administration - too much of that and this thread goes down.

Frankly that is exactly why that particular posting were done...

The man who has the other thread is a man by the name of Brown...Well, Brown is a common name - but in my old records I found something that was just too ODD to dismiss.
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I didn't enjoy bringing up that stuff about Galen Cook again. I get no joy in it. But if he's going to use Bruce Smith to call people 'wackos' at Dropzone, he gets exactly what he deserves. And that means showing people what he's really about, and how ugly it can get in Cooperland sometimes.

There was no need for Galen Cook to post all those lies about Skipp Porteous and myself, and all those bullshit things he said he was going to do at the Auburn Avenue Theater at last Auburn Days' Festival. I will remind people that I am a member of the Planning Committee for that festival, and have been for six years running.

He did it strictly out of vindictiveness.

He just never expected someone might keep a record...:)


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Individuals I have spoke to or to their surving relatives.

1. Frank Derry's Grandson....


2. A man who flew missions to S.America 1962 to 1968.

There was a bag of coins I thought meant nothing until last week - and I took a magnifiing glass to the old and discolored coins...all of them are dated as above and from all over S. American during that time.

No one would deliberately have coins all in that time period unless it was a reminder of the past...just proof - I was there and I did this.

3. In 1979 do you guys know where BARB'S office was in Seattle?

4. Of course Ralph hately over the yrs.

5. Bill Mitchell (passenger) until he was interviewed by Bruce. I found a note by his file taken from a discussion....Tape made 9/11 never made public...now I have to see why that note is on his page...

Could have been a notation by me regarding the man who came to Pensacola to interview me that same day and headed back to N.Y. If I was a journals I would have been right behind him.

6. Rizzo was a counterfeiter who was suspect...and I forgot the story on Rizzon - it would be around 1984.

7. Huddleston died in 1986

8. The cabbie I can't remember his name but his first name was Don.

9. Stanely Barth Gilliam - he was deceased but he was married to the God Child of Duane's mother and a woman Duane had a picture of from when she was about 20 sitting on the edge of a plane at Thun Field.

10. Sheridan Petersen and all of us are aware he talks to few people but I had several good conversation with me.about the suspects 2 of his guy had and was reported to the FBI.

11. Gertrude Hombert (Trudy) Block
A woman who wrote a book distributed at a church at the home area of Tina Mucklow. The little girl in her 3000 book edition was sold thru the church and the little Dutch girl who walks you thru the book is named Tena - pronouncd TINA. I thought this notation was ODD. Plus the woman who wrote the book was very alert andliving in FL. She still had 2 copies of the book and was amazed that another copy ended up in Florida. She died about 2 yrs after we talked...

12. At McNeil Duane's birthdate as June 18, 1920 - Duane was born June 18 , 1924. Clerical error or perhaps why Duane was put at work camps for 1st time offenders, but 4 yrs is really off. I have the paper work so it was the right Duane Weber.

The McNeil file is dated January 23, 1945...which is confirmation this is his file. The pictures were destroyed so no pic - a marvel woman who worked there actually went to the storage areas to try to find these old files...

Still have ALL of the communications.

That is all for tonight. At least my research is real and not garbage of just me saying this or that.
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He just never expected someone might keep a record...:)



LOOKS LIKE you and I BOTH kept RECORDS.

If he wanted to interject or ask questions -but, uses Bruce as he gofer!

He made Bruce look and sound like a puppet. Some BOYS never grow up.

Fred Brauer born Aug 23, 1917 and died on June 25, 2007....now who is Fred?

William E Thomas - who is Bill Thomas?

Samuel Edward Hatch

All of these men are connected. the probalem is that Galen never even got close yet it was all around him.

As for Tosaw - he was very steadfast in his beliefs & he had a strong connection to Duane's family. That was one of the oddest coincidents I found.

Tosaw and his sister and Duane's brother and his wife went to the same bible classes...same church and same location...

I know that GALEN thru out this question - and said something about Mormons. I do NOT know what religion the Brother and his wife were...I just have the addresses of the places they lived.

I know that John and Tosaw both belonged to the same boat club and attended the same church.

I know that John had a message from Tosaw but John and I did not get to have our private conversation because Duane's sister had a heart attack. She thought John was going to tell me her secret....she took it to her grave. She contacted me on the phone before her son took her to Tex and was adamant - LISTEN to me and started throwing all those name at me...name is took me a long time to find but when I did I understood what she was telling me....Just look at Stanely Gilliam's wife's obituary.

Who is protecting who and why. This is so obviouslu the FBI should be able to see it & they have their reasons NOT to talk about it....

Was Gilliam that special and were the Barths that special? The FBI didn't want Duane connected to WA in anyway but he was!
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LOL got real silent out there when I posted this, challenging Bruce Smith as Galen Cook's Messenger Boy:

RobertMBlevins

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How wacky is Jo?

One more. George Nuttall can be added to the list



Galen has asked me to post this addendum to the question, Is Jo a whacko?

"Please don't forget to add at the DZ what I stated about Richard Tosaw and Jo.

Tosaw told me that Jo was a "disturbed, nasty old lady, who contrives stories to fit her agenda." I concur with those comments. That's why Tosaw instructed his law office staff to hang-up whenever Jo called. And they did.

Please put this at DZ, Bruce."

Who are you? Galen Cook's Messenger Boy?

What gall Cook has. Since you ARE his messenger boy, ("Call for Philip Morris!") why don't you ask him this:

He has previously stated that he received several emails from my co-author Skipp Porteous, where he says Porteous said some really disparaging things about me. Ask him to produce even ONE of those emails. If he can't, then I will catalog his statements as lies.

PS: Before he answers, you might want to inform him I already discussed this issue with Porteous.

Cook (aka 'CoopSnoop') wants to call people 'wackos?' He's the same guy who said he was showing up with guests, a radio and video crew, a process server, and of all people...Bernie Geestman, to Auburn Days. All supposedly to confront me. None of those things happened. That's pretty wacky, wouldn't you say? The guy has personal issues, that's obvious. I had no intention of bringing this up again, i.e. Cook's lies about the emails, and his weirdo stuff he had planned for the Auburn Days Festival last August.

But I think if you are going to do Messenger Boy for Cook, you should know who you are working for. ;)

You can't really bury the truth. Sooner or later it has a habit of coming to the surface.


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Robert99

***I have found nothing to directly connect Lepsy with the Cooper Case. To my knowledge, when he disappeared he didn't know how skydive and wasn't in the CIA or Army.



That means Lepsy was neither the first nor second coming of Duane Weber. However, Jo Weber will probably claim that Duane knew him just as she claims that Duane and I are related, that Duane knew VickiW's father, and that Georger is responsible for JFK's death.

Well, Dick Lepsy was born in Chicago and lived there on and off for about 20 years. He lived in Grayling, Michigan for about a decade and supposedly ran off to Mexico and was there for an unknown amount of time. Did D-Web have any connection to any of those places? Could he have run into Dick Lepsy at the DuPont Titanium plant in Tampico, Mexico?

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******I have found nothing to directly connect Lepsy with the Cooper Case. To my knowledge, when he disappeared he didn't know how skydive and wasn't in the CIA or Army.



That means Lepsy was neither the first nor second coming of Duane Weber. However, Jo Weber will probably claim that Duane knew him just as she claims that Duane and I are related, that Duane knew VickiW's father, and that Georger is responsible for JFK's death.

Well, Dick Lepsy was born in Chicago and lived there on and off for about 20 years. He lived in Grayling, Michigan for about a decade and supposedly ran off to Mexico and was there for an unknown amount of time. Did D-Web have any connection to any of those places? Could he have run into Dick Lepsy at the DuPont Titanium plant in Tampico, Mexico?

The short answer is "no" but Jo Weber will probably claim otherwise.

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BruceSmith

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How wacky is Jo?

One more. George Nuttall can be added to the list



Galen has asked me to post this addendum to the question, Is Jo a whacko?

"Please don't forget to add at the DZ what I stated about Richard Tosaw and Jo.

Tosaw told me that Jo was a "disturbed, nasty old lady, who contrives stories to fit her agenda." I concur with those comments. That's why Tosaw instructed his law office staff to hang-up whenever Jo called. And they did.

Please put this at DZ, Bruce."

I only spoke with Tosaw 2 or 3 times.

Also he never hung up me & his office must have been at his residence because that was the number I had.

John made a couple of contacts with Tosaw and in 2004 when I was in CA with my husband, John Weber at that time was living not too far from Loma Linda - he had something for me, but due his sister having a heart attack as we were eating - John and I did not get to have that private conversation...

He did manage to email the information to me - information Tosaw located and sent to John.
It had to do with parachute training.

When John died & his wife 2 wks before he did - the family found a note that said exactly what John told me on the phone after we returned to FL. He was almost totally deaf & his wife told me he would not be able to hear me but he wanted to tell me some things that he have found. Things we did NOT get to discuss when he met for the first and only time in CA. in 2004.

ONE of them was the message from Tosaw. The other 2 things regarded Duane & the family connections in WA, but it was difficult to understand him....Since John could not hear me even with the speak at full blast I did not grasp what he was saying.

Later I pulled up some of what I did get - and BINGO I found what he was telling me...it all goes right back to Gilliam and his connection to the Weber family....he married Duane's mother's GOD CHILD.

Took a long time to figure it out & I would not have been able to do that without some help....a little bird told me about an obituary.

In that obituary was some of the stories Duane had told me...The Stuckee House. The pictures the sister sent me - well, unfortunately the woman was sitting behind an unbrella pole but what you can see in that photo sure does look like the woman in a photo of the Gilliam family...
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I have found Grayling, Michigan for about a decade and supposedly ran off to Mexico and was there for an unknown amount of time. Did D-Web have any connection to any of those places? Could he have run into Dick Lepsy at the DuPont Titanium plant in Tampico, Mexico?



The short answer is "no" but Jo Weber will probably claim otherwise.

Jo found no connection of Duane's past to Dick Lepsy.

What JO has had in her possession she had never one time spoke about is a bag of coins. The were old and some of them corroded....only in the last few wks did I sit with a magnifying glass an view the coins.

All of the date from 1962 to 1965.
All of them from South America. ODD thing. I never thought a clue would be in those coins...but they do connect Duane to S.America and Mexico.

The very time period that his friend Ed Horan claimed a connection to a group who flew planes in to S. America. They would steal the plane and take the to S.America and some of these guys where also connected to Air America and the group that PaperLegs headed up...in AZ.

The stories connected...what Duane told me and what his friend Ed Horan told me under the influence of medication after a surgery and when he realized I had no knowledge of Duane past asked me to never tell Duane what he said...I kept my promise but which I had not.

There is no record of the ED HORAN because like Duane he was still living under his alias...He worked for the man who created Protect and do NO Harm. I am sure they had a name but that is the name I gave the group because of the orders they were given....

This group did all kinds in infiltration into the Mafia, Unions and other things - places only excons or desperate people would fit into. The did the job for the money - but all of them were loyal to their commander and chief. He provide for them and helped them to turn their lives around.

In fact I also admire the man for what he did - even though the federal government would have opposed and prosecuted this group had they had knowledge of what they REALLY did....some of these guys were renegades. The one I met turned out to be respectfully members of society & some of them are still alive.

Galen knows exactly what I am talking about - as Galen was a supposed Union Attorney, but I understand he no longer hold that position.
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I think some are either still very loyal or they are still on the payroll.

Yes, the man was a wonderful man & I admired the hell out of him for the GOOD things he did even if he had to go thru the backdoor many times to do the right thing.

This other missing guy - he was not part of this group - he was WAY too young....although at a couple of get togethers I unknowningly met several men who had been a part of the organization...some lived out their lives under aliases and never got caught.

When Duane was sick there was a sum of money made available in cash that he used to supplement the income up until he died. The fund had run out and I think that is why he chose to stop the kidney machine.

I thought it was the chemical reactions sometimes experienced by kidney patients when they are adapting to the machine...but, this was different.

I was unaware of the money, but now realize that his mysterious trip in 1990 after going on diaylsis was were the addtional funds were coming from.

He would claim the shop made money - but, it didn't make enough to do what he did with the few things I saw move....I just figured it gave him something to do. He would close the shop on the 2 days of diaylsis...

His contribution was small during those five yrs, but it payed the house payment - he always gave me cash to put in the joint acct to help with the bills...He had a business acct and his own personal acct his SS was deposited into.
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Actually no post - just a message that some of you better get your act together, but I won't elaborate on the WHY!

I won't be back tonight & maybe not tomorrow night - then you guys can think about the stuff you have claimed & all of the yrs of your lives you spent trying to develope or to stop things. You had NO control over the future nor do you now.

Good Night! I will be signing off after this post is received...leaving you guys to make your silly posts and claims.

I am VERY tired. Sometime I am afraid to go to sleep - thinking I won't wake up or I won't complete my mission and purpose.

I gave it my all! and I do mean that literally.
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"...You can't really bury the truth. Sooner or later it has a habit of coming to the surface..."




I concur, Bob.



Glad to hear you agree. Friends don't support friends who lie, especially when they are known Cooper investigators. Cook, if nothing else, fits that bill. Porteous told me he wasn't angry about Cook's phony email claims, he said he was disappointed in Cook.

The truth does have a way of coming out. It is eighteen days until we send out our final report on Christiansen to the Seattle FBI. We now have FOUR witnesses who will testify that Bernie Geestman and Kenny went missing for the entire week of the hijacking. I have copied over onto a DVD Bernie's statements on Decoded where he says Kenny could be the hijacker. I think the FBI should see that. I introduce the video, and after Bernie's little part, there is a second video, part of the same overall DVD, included in the menu, where I put up a few points for the FBI. Using the excerpt from Decoded is not copyright infringement because we aren't making it public or distributing it. It is simply evidence.

One of the things we key on heavily (besides Lyle C's DNA profile) is a statement by a witness saying she saw Kenny assembling the same materials that were reported used in the phony bomb. She adds one very key detail about how it was done (no, not the coin rolls) that I believe the FBI is aware of. If her story matches what the FBI already knows and has never said, this will lend much credence to her testimony. And she wasn't in the second grade. She was 13 years old at the time and staying with the Geestmans'. When it comes right down to it, you can't keep secrets in families. Bernie Geestman's family, that is.

Hell...they've actually been involved since January 2011. I just didn't discover the extent of it until I interviewed them. One of the first things they said to me was about Bernie pointing to Kenny on the show as possibly being Cooper. ('Yes, he looks just like him...') i.e. the sketch. Problem was...some of THEM knew right away he was with Kenny that whole week. So they said, 'WTF?' And he didn't even bother to tell anyone he was going on television. Imagine their surprise. ;)


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Hell...they've actually been involved since January 2011. I just didn't discover the extent of it until I interviewed them. One of the first things they said to me was about Bernie pointing to Kenny on the show as possibly being Cooper. ('Yes, he looks just like him...') i.e. the sketch. cooper"]Imagine their surprise.



Maybe Kenny did assemble bomb, but Kenny was NOT Cooper. Way too short.

I have told you about the woman who came to see Duane - one who looked very much like Mrs. Geestman and Duane asked her how Kenny was.

You nor her family have ever posted a picture of how she looked in 1993 approx. I did not meet the man who was coming to pick her up. The only thing I knew is that he would be driving a truck and he had come down before her to see an old friend or family living in the area. She had flew in and she took a taxi to the shop if I remember....and Duane might have gone to pick her up.

The woman was not as heavy as one of the pictures you posted (the facial features were right) & her hair was obviously dyed as she was older than I was at that time, but not as heavy as she was in one of the pictures you posted.

I commented on her suit - it was a business suit and I thought she was a sales rep, but just an old friend of Duane from the past and she did live in Wa. Horses were mentioned - and we know that Mrs. Geestman had horses.

I did not stay long and had to get back to work.

I remembered the suit the most - it was a beautiful unusual color.
Not green and not blue - but not a teal...it was a dark suit. They fact she was from WA and she looked like Mrs. Geestman in one of the pictures you posted, but the hair was more like the younger picture you posted but shorter.

The picture you posted of her with straight short gray hair was the face I remembered, but the hair was longer and set evidently in rollers - could even have been a wig it was so perfect.

He husband or the man she was waiting for had come to see a man in the area - old friend or relative.

The pick-up would have been red or green or blue. Because a pickup came toward the shop before I left and asked what color his truck was. BUT, I do not remember what she said.

But, you wish to ignore this and you need to speak to the family members and find out what she looked like in 1993 approx and what was Mr. Geestman or her male companion in 1993 driving at that time.

Too many coincidences in all of this.
All I have is my memory and that is fading every day.

Note NO one even touched the mention of the coins. I had never gave them much thought - just a bag of old foreign coins. Now I know they are all from S.Amercia and some of them might be Mexican....

Odd thing for Duane to have kept as none of them are obviously not worth much...just a reminder of his past...and his souvenirs.
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***I have found Grayling, Michigan for about a decade and supposedly ran off to Mexico and was there for an unknown amount of time. Did D-Web have any connection to any of those places? Could he have run into Dick Lepsy at the DuPont Titanium plant in Tampico, Mexico?



The short answer is "no" but Jo Weber will probably claim otherwise.

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Jo found no connection of Duane's past to Dick Lepsy.

What JO has had in her possession she had never one time spoke about is a bag of coins. The were old and some of them corroded....only in the last few wks did I sit with a magnifying glass an view the coins.

All of the date from 1962 to 1965.
All of them from South America. ODD thing. I never thought a clue would be in those coins...but they do connect Duane to S.America and Mexico.





Well, you never know until you dig a little deeper. Dick Lepsy lived about a mile from the Grayling Army Airfield, and a couple miles from Camp Grayling, the main training facility for the Michigan National Guard and the largest US National Guard training facility in the USA. He undoubtedly had contact with military personnel as these bases were used extensively for training during the Vietnam War.

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Today was a busy day. I went to the Dr. prepared to be placed in the hospital....but, he ordered more tests.

The first thing is to get the biopsy of a lesion on my hand and the surgery.
Two weeks in a HARD cast so I won't be on the computer unless I can figure out how to do it with my left hand.

I will have no use of my right thumb and the 4 fingers will be exposed but probably will not be able to type....
I will try to log on and see what is being said. Would appreciate if you guys would make an effort not in inflame me or talk about me during those 2 wks....it has to be scheduled.

The colonoscopy is also going to be scheduled but they want the hand biopsy first. An endoscopy will probably follow this. I just know I cannot continue with the misery I live in.

He still wants me to go to the Mayo in Jacksonville but explained it was not something I could do....transportation (my car is a 2003 and has some problems) and the fact I can NOT drive for more then a hour at a time - due to the hip. Then there is the problem with the hand. I would also have motel expenses and the expenses of a driver. One trip for an evaluation and another trip for testing....I live on a modest income. Also Mayo does NOT accept medicare and your supplement as full payment.

It may all be related. I was sent to a very specilized Dr. over a wk ago - he needs the biospy off of that hand.

The bacteria in the fluid could represent an ugly disease that would also present with some of the same problems I have been plagued with for 10 yrs and problems that have progressively gotten worse...

The diagnosis of Celiac Sprue may not be what I have. There is a very rare disease that is now showing up in America. A disease that mimics sprue.

It is not diagnosed until the person has not responded to the Sprue testings...and it is essential they obtain a sample of the fluid from a lesion. The lesions often are mistaken for septic arthritis or mucous arthritis. The symptom mimic Sprue. I do not even know the name of it, but a man I worked with had the disease and died 2 yrs after his diagnosis.

I am going to do a little research before I go to bed.

Wish me luck and I could use some prayers - mine are not being heard.

The doctor for the first time saw me in full bloom the redish purple flushing and the rash that has been unrelenting and the lesion on my hand -plus 2 smaller ones. At least now they have a direction to go in.

I just need to have some good days and I want some of you (those who post on both threads or only that other thread to realize that I do NOT need to be demeaned because of the things I know.)

I have not made up the things I know about Weber - I have searched for the answers of why he told me the thing he did and HOW they seemingly are related to the Cooper case and the fact he told me he was Dan Cooper and all of the other things he told me and showed me over a 17 yr period of time.

As for Cook that man is a liar or a decoy....remember he was a Union attorney. Duane worked for a company that provided insurance for FBI AGENT, Pilots, Skyjumpers, Tower Communication and other fields that had a difficult time obtaining insurance.

That company rented a car that was left at a complex near the PDF.

When the FBI approached them they had changed their company name and products...but, the FBI never looked into this....

Maybe they have pulled those old records & maybe they have decided a little more credence shoud be given to the story Jo told.

The fact a group out of the SE flew all the way to WA for a skyjumping experience for the winner or looser is also suspect. Two of the guys (a pilot and another jumper) who took this group up contacted the FBI and told them they thought one of the men looked like Cooper.
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'I have told you about the woman who came to see Duane - one who looked very much like Mrs. Geestman and Duane asked her how Kenny was.

You nor her family have ever posted a picture of how she looked in 1993 approx...'



Sure I have. There is a picture of her installed for Into The Blast. Taken late 1993, and it's been posted here several times. One more time for you, though. Attached.

Duane Weber did NOT know Margie Geestman. In 1993 Margie Geestman was living in Twisp, WA which is pretty much In The Middle of Nowhere in North-Central Washington. She didn't even live in town, she lived out of town on a ranch along the Methow River. She did not KNOW Duane, she has never MET Duane as far as I know. The Geestmans moved from Bonney Lake to Oakville, WA after the hijacking, and then later to Twisp. They divorced later and Bernie eventually ended up in Port Angeles.

On the subject of Christiansen allegedly being 'too short' to be Cooper, I will again remind people of another case, the case of Gary Leon Ridgway, aka The Green River Killer.

The Green River Killer was seen by several witnesses during his twenty-plus year crime spree. One guy even followed him to his house and then went to the cops. Almost all the witnesses described him as between six feet and six feet three inches tall, weighing about 180 pounds. Composite sketches with this information were distributed in stores, public places, even on the walls of the Green River Task Force offices. Ridgway was brought to those offices at least once for questioning, and no one matched him to either the 'official' description or the police sketches.

When they finally arrested Ridgway based on the DNA evidence, it was discovered he was only five feet ten inches tall and weighed 155 pounds...

What does this prove? That witnesses under duress often make mistakes, and even the cops didn't make the connection when they had Ridgway right in front of them. :S The sketch of Cooper is not a photograph, and the 'official' description might not be completely accurate.

I have listened to the opinions of the FBI and others who say they believe Cooper died in the jump. And although that is not off the table, I don't believe he died. One reason is because I think someone would have discovered some trace of him by now besides a few bundles of money found miles from where he probably jumped. And the fact that (yes) more than one single bundle being found in the same spot is significant. It means one of two things. Either the money ended up there by human hands, or you should continue the search at Tina Bar for a body, a parachute, a briefcase.

If you have the same opinion as I do, i.e. that Cooper lived and escaped with the money, then something else is probably true. That there are people out there...who even if they don't know ALL the truth on who Cooper was, might still hold the key to the truth, or a piece of it. This goes not just for Christiansen, but ANY Cooper suspect.

I have also held that if Cooper lived, someone other than Cooper is aware of the truth even today. And...that the case will never be solved (unless you find the rest of the money or a body) by examining aerial maps or arguing about a dropzone. It will be discovered by talking to the right people. :)


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The Green River Killer was seen by several witnesses during his twenty-plus year crime spree. One guy even followed him to his house and then went to the cops. Almost all the witnesses described him as between six feet and six feet three inches tall, weighing about 180 pounds. Composite sketches with this information were distributed in stores, public places, even on the walls of the Green River Task Force offices. Ridgway was brought to those offices at least once for questioning, and no one matched him to either the 'official' description or the police sketches.

When they finally arrested Ridgway based on the DNA evidence, it was discovered he was only five feet ten inches tall and weighed 155 pounds...

What does this prove? That witnesses under duress often make mistakes, and even the cops didn't make the connection when they had Ridgway right in front of them. Crazy The sketch of Cooper is not a photograph, and the 'official' description might not be completely accurate.



Amen. Treating the FBI sketch (or sketches) as a photo of Cooper is a mistake. I practiced criminal defense law for years. I can't tell you how many times eyewitness descriptions and composite sketches made in consultation with eyewitnesses proved to be waaaaay off base.

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Might be the reason they put up those measuring sticks at the doors of Seven-Elevens...:)
I don't know. Some people have poked fun at my idea that it might be more difficult to guess someone's true height inside the confines of an aircraft cabin. Especially when most of the time the person is seated. Hard to say.

The only person I know who got to physically examine the original copies of the witness reports taken by the FBI was Geoff Gray. At least recently. I don't know if Tosaw saw them, although I'm sure Himmelsbach did. And Gray pointed out some things in those reports.

One witness said Cooper was no more than five nine. Another thought six-one, another said six feet. Black suit coat. No, another said it was more of a russet color. All three stewardesses selected different combinations from the FBI's Facial ID Catalog.

I once gave my own personal experience in this situation, although I'll admit it is subjective. I was on a 727 flight to LA back in 2002, sitting up near the front of the cheap seats. I was also a BIG Seattle Mariners baseball fan at the time. Well...I saw the Mariners' Bret Boone once in a while up in First Class, when the curtain was open. He would get up for one thing or another. And I would have sworn on the Bible he was at least six feet tall, maybe six one.

So...plane lands and I go to the luggage carousel. As I was reaching for my bag, I accidentally bumped into Boone, which was like bumping into a brick wall, by the way. (I think he was taking steroids, but that's off the subject) I apologized to him and then I saw he was actually shorter than me by a full inch. It was a big surprise, but I couldn't gauge that properly on the plane. Turns out he was only five ten. (I checked later) I am five eleven. This isn't about changing physics. It's more a matter of perception, I think.

For example, it might be easier to tell someone's true height if you saw them instead out in the open, or standing next to them at a bus stop. Or...at the luggage carousel. Inside a plane might be tougher than you think.


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. . . it might be easier to tell someone's true height if you saw them instead out in the open, or standing next to them at a bus stop. Or...at the luggage carousel. Inside a plane might be tougher than you think.



Blevins, You have just pulled the rug out from under your own claims. You were seated, the other guy was probably standing 20+ feet from you, and you had nothing to reference his height to. You just guessed.

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Jo is having trouble getting her book on Duane written despite years of encouragement from others, such as yours truly.

Plus, the Duane story is getting thicker by the day and his contact list is growing far beyond what most of us can remember.

So, I think it is time we helped Jo and started a list of Duane's buddies.

Here's what I remember:

1. Duane is related to Boeing's Stan Gilliam through his mother.
2. Duane met Mel Wilson in Florida, back when.
3. Duane was John C Collins, and a John C collins stayed in a Portland area motel on November 24, 1971, or thereabouts.\
4. Duane knew Richard Tosaw, somehow, maybe through his brother John.

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