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Been doing research on when nylon replaced silk for WW2 canopies. Making some progress. Found a lot about crash site excavations in Europe and the US and how well canopies of both types survive when shielded from UV and oxygen.

An article in the journal of the American Aviation Historical Society has provided some very useful info.

Bottom line is that I believe the Amboy chute was likely tafetta weave nylon and not silk, but I am not 100% certain. I could tell in a minute if I could get a sample of the canopy fabric, even just a few threads. I'd burn them. Nylon and polyester melt. Silk burns to a crispy ash.

I would like to see the recovery site excavated to see what lies below the cut suspension lines. The risers, which were not recovered, will tell us a lot. Could there possibly be a harness with human remains attached? Unlikely, but who knows? The site really should be dug up. It wouldn't take that much work.

I hope FLYJACK continues his tie-tanium and other Norjack research. How refreshing to see someone post with zero personal bickering content.

What ever happened to Marla? Is she still riding the Norjack horse or has she moved on to other pursuits?

Bradley Cooper's father isn't mentioned much but he actually has decent Cooper qualifications. According to Bradley, his Dad was interviewed by the FBI immediately post skyjack but not subsequently pursued as a suspect. Wonder how they ruled him out?

Happy 2015 everyone!

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Here's what I know, Mark:

1. Bradley is incommunicado. He's not talking to anyone, as far as I can see. Plus his wife isn't talking, either, and she was the more social one.

The publishing company has also clammed up. They're in the UK, and they sent me a copy for a media review, but I guess they didn't like what I had to say. They're not chatty at all. Sigh.

Oddly, Bradley has a great story to tell, but it would be hard to tell it - his uncle killing himself in Bradley's house because of an apparent depression brought on by the behaviors of Bradley's father in some kind of warped brotherly relationship. Lots of guilt in that one, and the allusions Bradley offered make it sound like Jumping Jack did some crime and the brother was some kind of accomplice. Jack sounded like a real sleaze ball, too.

Brad doesn't seem able to tell that story at the moment, but maybe one day.

2. Amboy Chute:
As far as I know, no one knows exactly where the chute was found, where it is currently, or what else is in the hole/ground.

Except for the feds and the property owner, I guess. Meyer and I talked with a half-dozen folks in Amboy who gave us authoritative directions to the site, but they were all wrong. That includes Dona Elliott, who I find most unreliable in terms of Cooper facts, BTW.

It seems that the Amboy chute is its own mystery. I don't think it's Cooper's. It isn't one of Hayden's chutes, and it doesn't seem to be a Cossey chute, either, assuming that people still believe the Cossey Legend. Speaking of which, his involvement in Norjak is pretty well scrubbed these days. Media is only calling him a rigger of DB Cooper's parachutes. Not the owner, and not the tech expert for the FBI.

3. Marla.
Ole Twisty Butt may still be in action. Her ex, John Santore, Jr, contacts me occasionally asking what I know about her, which is zilch. But John says she was still working a book deal in OK City up until a year or so ago.

Ironically. Marla has a great story, too, but its about the FBI and how they used her, not her Uncle LD. I sure wish she'd tell that one.

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Protect and do no harm - this group was formed by a very weathy man. He loved his adopted country and could not stand silently by.

A group of men where sent to try to protect Kennedy but they knew if the went armed they would be blamed for the crime...all the could do was try to stop it - and anyone of them would have take the bullet for Kennedy.

Remember there was old videos taken during the Kenney assination that were never made public... confiscated or hidden away....but, some of them have managed to survive.

Protect and do NO harm did exist and I personally met some of the men - but didn't actually know it until I started to research Duane's past.

In my research - I found such a group did exist, but I have not the time to go to the storage room and pull it out..I have arranged for all of those files to go to one specific person - so they will not be lost forever.

There are lots of Jerry W's in this world but only one was in the places Duane told me about & knew the man I met who formed a special protective outlaw group whose purpose was to protect & do no harm. A lot of them were criminals...like Duane Weber. This man needed individuals who could be trained to infiltrate certain organization like the Mafia.

They were provide legitimate jobs for their cover....a special payroll was required for this...now the files on those individuals can only be made by JW & I am sure he destroyed them. JW did not show up in Cooper World until I contacted a special company & enquired about Weber's past connections to them.

JW under-estimated what Jo knew & thought he could side track me, but why hide it today? There is no reason to do so - it is time for the truths to be known. Could some of these individuals still be prosecuted or harmed in some way.
I don't think so. Would their private lives change - well, they are all getting old - it time to let the truths be know.

I was off the wall last night and glad to see some of those postings had been removed or edited.

The issue above I will never relent from because I know it to be true.

This is my only post for tonight and I have had a very bad day.

Good night!
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Blevins, Your dismissive attitude towards the FBI and other law enforcement agencies, as well as other qualified experts (such as Cossey), in this matter is well known.

Incidentally, what qualifies your blurb on KC as being an "official" investigation?

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If I truly had a 'dismissive' attitude toward the FBI, I wouldn't have bothered doing so much work on the KC report for them...or spend the money to run Lyle C's DNA profile, Robert.

I never said Cossey wasn't an expert in chutes. I said his story about being the owner of the Cooper chutes and the person who delivered them to NWA was not true, according to the FBI's own record.

The investigation into Christiansen is as official as anyone else's efforts to investigate any Cooper suspect. You could say the same thing for Galen Cook's work on Gossett, or Geoff Gray's work on the case in general.

I guess if you were in my office I could pull open one of the big double drawers below the TV and show you the forty file folders, the interview notes, the documents, the pictures, the letters, the recordings, etc. Heavy damn drawers. The truth is that I am glad we are finished checking him out. Look, once Geestman's own family became involved, we were bound to bring this to a conclusion. However, the final analysis on KC won't be coming from us, but from the FBI. All we want is for them to actually take a look at what we're presenting this time to see if it has any merit, and to speak to at least some of the named witnesses.

Let's face it, Robert. With what we have for them now, if they decide to check it out it won't take them long to figure out yay or nay on Kenny, and probably very quickly. One thing we are leaning on heavily is some detailed testimony from a witness who claims she actually SAW Kenny creating the phony bomb. Not the coin rolls, but something else very specific about the 'bomb' that I absolutely will NOT discuss publicly. Our hope is that this detail was mentioned by Flo Schaffner somewhere along the way during her interviews by the FBI. If this detail is known to the FBI, they will pay attention to the witness. It is something I truly believe the FBI already knows about and has never mentioned. It is quite simple and I just don't know how it could be missed. But...we will see on that.

Tell you one thing for sure. Now that Geestman's family is involved in all this, if the FBI questions them, the truth is going to come out one way or another. Which way will it go? Hell. Your guess is as good as mine, and that's the truth. This is the big reason why I'm in no hurry with the film production guys, because I think before we do anything serious on that we should let the FBI check out the info and make sure there is something to all of it. If the FBI checks out the info and can prove absolutely that KC isn't the guy, then I don't see the point of making the film, even though the production company believes we have enough right now to proceed. (They've seen 99% of the final report on KC already)

Bruce Smith says in part:

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'2. Amboy Chute:
As far as I know, no one knows exactly where the chute was found, where it is currently, or what else is in the hole/ground.

Except for the feds and the property owner, I guess...'



The lady in the Ariel video I did for 2012 watched the FBI digging it out, and talked to the property owners. They were neighbors. She and her husband are more or less lifetime residents of the Amboy area. They have raised, or had in their home at different times, about 350 foster children for the State of Washington over maybe the last 35 years, maybe a little longer. I spoke to the wife on camera, the husband off-camera. They are telling the truth. I have their names, but I never tried to contact them after Ariel, although I gave them a card because I was interested in doing their life story. Not about Ariel...but about all those kids. Really NICE folks for sure.

FBI says they dug further and found no container, no harness. That's all I know. And I can't say whether it is Cooper's either. I just didn't like the non-information, no-reason-given explanation the FBI did after more than a week of national coverage on it. They could have said SOMETHING on why they discounted it. Five years later they said it was 'evidence in an ongoing case'. You figure it out.

By the way...have you considered doing a prepared interview with the media officer at the King County Sheriffs Dept. on any progress with the Cossey murder? It's going on two years now. Better tread lightly with them though. They got a little touchy when I suggested maybe they should let Joe Kenda take a look at the case. B|

EDIT: Sergeant D.B. Gates (yes) is the current media officer handling questions on Cossey. He did say something about some of the case files being available publicly on request. I didn't go after them but maybe you could.

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'We do not make it a practice of shopping our cases to TV personalities. If he (Kenda) was interested, much of the case file would be available by public disclosure...'



Well, maybe the Kenda idea was a bit much. I apologized for that one. You want to be interviewed by Kenda as a murder suspect? All you need is a Facebook address. :) On a more realistic note, I submitted Cossey's case to the show 'Cold Justice'. Those girls are good.


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One thing we are leaning on heavily is some detailed testimony from a witness who claims she actually SAW Kenny creating the phony bomb.



Blevins, That is just GREAT! Is it also true that she was in the second grade when she saw that?

And did she accompany KC when he went to the shoe store at the mall to pick up those elevator shoes with the four inch heels?

I assume she understood that KC would need those shoes to get his height up to the six feet that Tina and others remember as being Cooper's height.

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Bruce Smith says in part:

***'2. Amboy Chute:
As far as I know, no one knows exactly where the chute was found, where it is currently, or what else is in the hole/ground.

Except for the feds and the property owner, I guess...'



The lady in the Ariel video I did for 2012 watched the FBI digging it out, and talked to the property owners. They were neighbors. She and her husband are more or less lifetime residents of the Amboy area. They have raised, or had in their home at different times, about 350 foster children for the State of Washington over maybe the last 35 years, maybe a little longer. I spoke to the wife on camera, the husband off-camera. They are telling the truth. I have their names, but I never tried to contact them after Ariel, although I gave them a card because I was interested in doing their life story. Not about Ariel...but about all those kids. Really NICE folks for sure.



Yup, I remember the video - and the folks.

What they told you sounds very similar to what I heard from Dona and bunches of people in Amboy. They knew details, knew the property owners - lived down the street, played with the kids, etc. but it was all a No Show.

When Meyer and I went looking at the place they indicated, the people there either had no idea what we were talking about or directed us to someplace new.

That's why I asked you for the contact information of the people you spoke with so I could corroborate what they said.

This blabby-town talk is part of the Amboy story, perhaps even the dominate one. Basically, why is all this crap going on?

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"... She and her husband are more or less lifetime residents of the Amboy area. They have raised, or had in their home at different times, about 350 foster children for the State of Washington..."



I'd love to see their home! And I'd love to talk with the social workers (and their supervisors) who placed HUNDREDS of foster kids there!

I'd also like to talk with their accountant. Let's see, foster kids pay $1,000 - $6,000 per month depending on psychological and physical needs, times 350 divided by 35 years, multiplied by 12 months in a year....

...Gawd, I've run out of fingers.....

Help, Bobby, you're good in math...

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The lady in the Ariel video I did for 2012 watched the FBI digging it out, and talked to the property owners. They were neighbors. She and her husband are more or less lifetime residents of the Amboy area. They have raised, or had in their home at different times, about 350 foster children for the State of Washington over maybe the last 35 years, maybe a little longer. I spoke to the wife on camera, the husband off-camera. They are telling the truth. I have their names, but I never tried to contact them after Ariel, although I gave them a card because I was interested in doing their life story. Not about Ariel...but about all those kids. Really NICE folks for sure.



Was the husband the around-80-year-old guy with the cowboy hat and Texas tie who liked to dance? I saw him there this year and I thought there was something I wanted to ask him, but I couldn't remember what it was.

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BRUCE:
At first I quoted your post regarding foster parenting, but decided not to giving you the option of deleting it yourself.

You have no idea how the system works. Have you ever been a foster child? Have you ever fostered a child.

Delete your demeaning posting - regarding the sytem.

Foster parents do NOT do it for the money & there is a limit to the number of children they can foster at one time. The medical needs of the children placed is regulated & much of the time the child is already in the medicaid system, but there is a transition time...the foster care handles that.

The rule are different in different the states - number of children in households are regulated, but often a child maybe placed for a short time regarding a domestic dispute & the child removed until the situation is resolved & there is not a responsible relative available or cannot be located.

Without the foster program many children would be subjected to abuse or neglect.

Sometimes foster care is the only stable inviroment the child has ever known.

Your OBTUSE & insulting statement regarding foster care needs to be deleted.
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Robert says:

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"... She and her husband are more or less lifetime residents of the Amboy area. They have raised, or had in their home at different times, about 350 foster children for the State of Washington..."



Bruce Smith:

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I'd love to see their home! And I'd love to talk with the social workers (and their supervisors) who placed HUNDREDS of foster kids there!

I'd also like to talk with their accountant. Let's see, foster kids pay $1,000 - $6,000 per month depending on psychological and physical needs, times 350 divided by 35 years, multiplied by 12 months in a year....

...Gawd, I've run out of fingers.....

Help, Bobby, you're good in math...


Figures. Bruce Smith would take something wonderful, something not done for money so much, but to help kids...a respected and underappreciated thing like foster parenting, and try to twist it into something ugly.
And by the way, Bruce...have you actually raised any kids? It's an expensive proposition all around. :S

I should have known better than to try and answer your question about the location of the Amboy chute. This is what happens when you try to be honest with people in Cooperland and provide them information. They just twist it around and try to mold it into an ugly thing. Why? Well...I already SAID why when I spoke about the three types of people in Cooperland. This is the THIRD group, of which you are a member Bruce, IMHO. You may not fit all the criteria, but you belong there for sure:

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'They are the folks who either don't want to know who the hijacker was because they live solely for the discussion, or the people who push one suspect to the exclusion of all others. They can be mean, hateful, and will go to any lengths to convince you they are right, sometimes even lying if it suits their ends. If you aren't convinced of their viewpoint, they will occasionally take the low road and post the worst things imaginable on any article or forum regarding Cooper about anyone else investigating the case. These actions are often based on jealousy or outright hatred, and seek to discredit others investigating the case, or those with an interest, in order to forward their own agenda. This writer has had several run-ins with these folks, but you learn to continue your work and move on. You also learn not to release EVERYTHING you gather while following the Cooper case, because sometimes these people will attempt to twist any information you provide and use it against you, rather than paying attention to the facts presented...'



This is why I didn't make the final report on KC public this time, and why the names of any new witnesses and their contact information and testimony will only be provided to the Seattle FBI and legit media. Some of you out there in Cooperland (unfortunately) cannot be trusted. As far as you, Bruce...if you ever got a second interview with some decent information from a Cooper witness, that would be a miracle to equal the parting of the Red Sea. When I posted that up about the couple, I thought you would contact me privately for their address or something, rather than make a bunch of ugly comments. I'm glad now I didn't just take the initiative and send you their information. You live and you learn. I still want to do their story for a book, although I had put that off due to other obligations. Now that I have their email, I will make sure to copy over your post about them as a warning, should you attempt to contact them.

Basically, no matter what the reason seems to be, you alienate most of the people you interview. I can't believe that at one point I was ready to pony up hundreds of dollars to help you publish your Cooper book. WTF was I thinking...:S

By the way...the basic foster care rates in Washington depend mostly on age, with the exception of Special Needs. Runs per diem (per day) about 13-19 dollars, plus an allowance for books and school supplies. (about 35 a month) More than half of states, Washington included, pay below what it is estimated it actually costs to raise a child. More than half of foster parents in Washington receive no more than the Basic Rate, the allowance for school supplies, a modest allowance for clothing, and $30 for birthdays.

You think you can raise ten kids on that kind of money? Sure you can. Only if you have an outside job as well. According to the tables in the recent report (attached) Washington pays about 55% of what it actually costs to raise a child, overall.

You owe those people a public apology for sure. But you won't do it. You don't have the guts to admit when you're wrong.


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"... She and her husband are more or less lifetime residents of the Amboy area. They have raised, or had in their home at different times, about 350 foster children for the State of Washington..."



Bruce Smith:

***I'd love to see their home! And I'd love to talk with the social workers (and their supervisors) who placed HUNDREDS of foster kids there!

I'd also like to talk with their accountant. Let's see, foster kids pay $1,000 - $6,000 per month depending on psychological and physical needs, times 350 divided by 35 years, multiplied by 12 months in a year....

...Gawd, I've run out of fingers.....

Help, Bobby, you're good in math...


Figures. Bruce Smith would take something wonderful, something not done for money so much, but to help kids...a respected and underappreciated thing like foster parenting, and try to twist it into something ugly.
And by the way, Bruce...have you actually raised any kids? It's an expensive proposition all around. :S

I should have known better than to try and answer your question about the location of the Amboy chute. This is what happens when you try to be honest with people in Cooperland and provide them information. They just twist it around and try to mold it into an ugly thing. Why? Well...I already SAID why when I spoke about the three types of people in Cooperland. This is the THIRD group, of which you are a member Bruce, IMHO. You may not fit all the criteria, but you belong there for sure:

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'They are the folks who either don't want to know who the hijacker was because they live solely for the discussion, or the people who push one suspect to the exclusion of all others. They can be mean, hateful, and will go to any lengths to convince you they are right, sometimes even lying if it suits their ends. If you aren't convinced of their viewpoint, they will occasionally take the low road and post the worst things imaginable on any article or forum regarding Cooper about anyone else investigating the case. These actions are often based on jealousy or outright hatred, and seek to discredit others investigating the case, or those with an interest, in order to forward their own agenda. This writer has had several run-ins with these folks, but you learn to continue your work and move on. You also learn not to release EVERYTHING you gather while following the Cooper case, because sometimes these people will attempt to twist any information you provide and use it against you, rather than paying attention to the facts presented...'



This is why I didn't make the final report on KC public this time, and why the names of any new witnesses and their contact information and testimony will only be provided to the Seattle FBI and legit media. Some of you out there in Cooperland (unfortunately) cannot be trusted. As far as you, Bruce...if you ever got a second interview with some decent information from a Cooper witness, that would be a miracle to equal the parting of the Red Sea. When I posted that up about the couple, I thought you would contact me privately for their address or something, rather than make a bunch of ugly comments. I'm glad now I didn't just take the initiative and send you their information. You live and you learn. I still want to do their story for a book, although I had put that off due to other obligations. Now that I have their email, I will make sure to copy over your post about them as a warning, should you attempt to contact them.

Basically, no matter what the reason seems to be, you alienate most of the people you interview. I can't believe that at one point I was ready to pony up hundreds of dollars to help you publish your Cooper book. WTF was I thinking...:S

By the way...the basic foster care rates in Washington depend mostly on age, with the exception of Special Needs. Runs per diem (per day) about 13-19 dollars, plus an allowance for books and school supplies. (about 35 a month) More than half of states, Washington included, pay below what it is estimated it actually costs to raise a child. More than half of foster parents in Washington receive no more than the Basic Rate, the allowance for school supplies, a modest allowance for clothing, and $30 for birthdays.

You think you can raise ten kids on that kind of money? Sure you can. Only if you have an outside job as well. According to the tables in the recent report (attached) Washington pays about 55% of what it actually costs to raise a child, overall.

You owe those people a public apology for sure. But you won't do it. You don't have the guts to admit when you're wrong.


I used to work for two different agencies that specialized in the needs of foster kids. I was a family and child therapist.

In one agency I worked mostly in the family homes of my clients. The second agency was a residential facility for teen-aged young men accused of sexual crimes, or were "SA, " sexually aggressive, which basically means they did something naughty but the cops did not have enough evidence to get a conviction.

The dollar figures I mentioned above are the ones I heard mentioned daily by the social workers and case managers.

I've written about my experiences in the residential facility, and the title of the book is: The Men of Honor of Unity House. The first dozen chapters have been posted in the Mountain News, is you're interested.

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I have not seen it. Dropped my feed from Mountain News a while ago.




You're missing a good story. It's a novel based on the discussion my staff and I had in the aftermath of 9-11 and the Anthrax scare- what would we do if Tacoma got hit with a terrorist attack and went into a shutdown and we had all of our kids to take care of for days and weeks with no additional staff coming in.

I picked the scenario of a suitcase nuke going off in the Hilltop and my facility, that I called Unity House in the book, has to learn how to take care of ourselves.

We form the guys into a super-dooper Boy Scout outfit called the Men of Honor, much like the Mountain Scouts and the Guardian Angels of Curtis Sliwa's fame. We render aid to our neighbors and become a beckon of help and survivability to South Tacoma.

The the Army comes in and we partner up with them, donning radiation suits, pulling sick people out of their homes, and transforming Unity House into a medivac station.

Then, radiation sickness kicks in....

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Yes, Boys and Girls, it's time for another:

DB COOPER QUIZ



Question: What do the following all have in common?

1. Sgt M Billy Waugh
2. Passenger Bill Mitchell
3. Galen Cook

To win, email me with the answer, and I'll give you a shout-out in my new book.

Or wait until tomorrow, and I'll post the answer here!

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Yes, Boys and Girls, it's time for another:

DB COOPER QUIZ



Question: What do the following all have in common?

1. Sgt M Billy Waugh
2. Passenger Bill Mitchell
3. Galen Cook

To win, email me with the answer, and I'll give you a shout-out in my new book.

Or wait until tomorrow, and I'll post the answer here!




:(We are not boys & girls and I know what they all three have in common.

I have ever email - printed copys of all exchanges between myself and Galen.

I have printed exchanges of all communications with Mitchell and we had 2 or 3 phone conversation... but spread out over a 10 yr period of time.

Waugh was a real jerk if I remember correctly - career military and live not to far from me.

So one thing they have in commons is that they spoke to me.

Cook is a liar.

Waugh was nice but he didn't have a good opinion no me because of my opinions.

Mitchell was an earnest person who tried to help - He received to batchs of phots but because or others I now have no way of providing him with 3 other photos I didnt sent to him.
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Saw this on another thread here. It was an answer to a question from another user. The user said: 'My chute and container are twenty years old? Should I retire them?'

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'Nah if its in good nick i wouldnt worry about it my last skydive container and reserve were made in 1990...no dramas. Also my base canopy is dom (date of manufacture) 96...'



If Cooper jumped in 1971, (well, he did) this means perhaps he could have safely used a chute dated clear back to 1946, according to the poster, at least on the reserve he quoted, and 1954 on the main. Hayden has stated that he is pretty sure he bought the two main chutes in late 1968. Going back, it is possible the chutes were from as early as 1943 or 1950, respectively. No one really knows except perhaps the store that sold Hayden the chutes, and even if they were still in business it is doubtful the records go back that far. I would be interested in the DOM of the chute that ended up in the Washington State History Museum. The real point here is that no one currently can say how old the canopy is/was in the NB-6/8 container that Cooper eventually jumped with.

377 recently pointed me to an ad on Craigslist where a guy is selling a Cooper-like chute from 1952. It's a Switlik, though. 26 foor canopy. Looks like it is in excellent condition, container and all. And that one is more than sixty years old. So the idea that the Amboy chute couldn't be Cooper's because it may have been too old to be used might be inaccurate.

Hayden got those chutes from a new and used parachute shop, I think he said near Boeing Field. (Name of place is in my notes) Who is to say how old those things were when Hayden bought them in 1968? He told me in his telephone interview that the only reason he even bought them was because he was forced to by sport pilot rules. Goes to reason he might look for something solid...but not too expensive.

I may have to do another interview with Hayden.

My guess on the question by Bruce Smith is THIS:
All three have law degrees. Two of them are more honest than the other. :)


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I used to work for two different agencies that specialized in the needs of foster kids. I was a family and child therapist.

The second agency was a residential facility for teen-aged young men accused of sexual crimes, or were "SA, " sexually aggressive, which basically means they did something naughty but the cops did not have enough evidence to get a conviction.



Worked there? More likely you were on the other side of that story because of your AGGRESSIVE behavior which has gotten you in TROUBLE a few times along with your lust for a subject you did NOT interview? You intruded on her privacy & then made LUSTFUL remarks about her in a very public place.

That is a stalker and someone capable of doing other things.

Open mouth insert foot!.
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Has been a terrible wk . I feel horrible, but I need a few groceries so maybe if I lie back down when I get up I can put something on & go to the store.

I got here, but don't feel like saying much.

I did read all of Duane's cards last night - the ones he gave me very yr for Christmas, Anniversarys and Birthdays. I also read the ones given to me by my last husband.

I didn't keep all of them - because I am cleaning things out...

The last husband just signed his with love. but Duane's - well I had forgotten about all of the original things and heart felt things Duane wrote in the cards...left me bawling.

I did sleep for a few hours, but not enough. I keep pulling things out & going thru them - because I don't think anyone else will care & they will go to the land field.

I felt quilty I could still feel Duane here with me. Did a lot of crying & I am still crying. There are things I have to do & I don't know where to begin. I wish he had never told me his secret - how different my life could have been. Reading those cards - a lot of women would envy the love he lavished on me... he treated me like a China Doll.

I ended up just putting most of the things right back into the drawer. HOW do you say good bye? How does one sum up their life? I don't want these thing just thrown away...like we never existed. Can he feel my anguish & what is out there beyond death? I keep putting things in the car to sell or give away - letting go is so hard to do.

I have to go - I can't see the screen. Duane where ever you are -I need for you to help me thru all of this. It's not fair what the Government has done....I just wanted to know for myself. IT was not like I was trying to write a book or sell a movie. I wanted to know the truths about you & your past.

Hope Bill is right - He keeps telling me when he gets there he knows you will be waiting for him with that grin on your face....but, I just do not have that kind of faith.

Life is so strange. The father of my children is in a nursing home dieing & I could care less - hope he doesn't go to the same place you are.

You had a lot of women in your life - so maybe you were that loving with all of them. Whatever, it was - you sure left me with a mess on this earth. I know you kept trying to tell me things & had some things to show me & I think about our old house & the outlets - it was a new house & you replaced every outlet in the house.

I never checked those outlets because most of them I could not get to until I sold the house & there was no time after the sale to have someone pull them. You know I am "ascared" of electricity...I just used your favorite word A-scared.

I wonder now in retrospect after coming back to check for errors - did you use that word in the Plane talking to Tina? ASCARD!

You never said afraid it was always ascared....I finally wrote until I smiled so I guess I will go try to take a nap now.
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Several things need to be taken into consideration.

The chutes found on Ebay, or Cl are from owners who have taken very good care of the chutes. Ebay has several right now. a WW2 silk parachute in excellent condition $499, and a 1958 airborne chute starting at $100. lots of factors to consider while owning, or using an old chute. how many jumps, how much sun exposure, or the condition of the chute overall. thousands of military chute were sold, or given away over the years after WW2.

We don't know the condition, or time the chute was in the ground.

We can speculate about lots of things, but the FBI didn't rely on Cossey alone, or by telephone inspections.

The conclusion was based "on the totality of the information," Seattle FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs said, and not just the opinion of Earl Cossey, the FAA-certified parachute rigger who packed each of the four parachutes that were handed over to Cooper on Nov. 24, 1971.

"Other parachute experts were consulted," Burroughs said, including some who steeped forward to help the FBI after the parachute's discovery was announced last week.

I also believe the chute was sent to the lab. so, at what point do we discount the FBI and state they are covering up this find? they even admitted overlooking the stamp, and allowed it to be photographed. why even show the chute if they thought it might be Coopers?

they have over a thousand suspects over the years. will they tell us why they discounted them? should we demand an answer? who was suspect #27? even if the chute wasn't Coopers it's still part of an on going investigation that gives them the reason to tell us nothing!
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Several things need to be taken into consideration.

The chutes found on Ebay, or Cl are from owners who have taken very good care of the chutes. Ebay has several right now. a WW2 silk parachute in excellent condition $499, and a 1958 airborne chute starting at $100. lots of factors to consider while owning, or using an old chute. how many jumps, how much sun exposure, or the condition of the chute overall. thousands of military chute were sold, or given away over the years after WW2.

We don't know the condition, or time the chute was in the ground.



Those things are all true. We DO know that the FBI said initially it was the right size and color, and found in what they called 'Zone A,' the most likely place they believe Cooper landed as of 2008.

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We can speculate about lots of things, but the FBI didn't rely on Cossey alone, or by telephone inspections.



I have an email and a phone call from them saying no one was allowed to see the chute outside of the FBI, (except Cossey) and that consultations WERE done by phone. Sleuths wanted to see it as well, and couldn't get access.
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The conclusion was based "on the totality of the information," Seattle FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs said, and not just the opinion of Earl Cossey, the FAA-certified parachute rigger who packed each of the four parachutes that were handed over to Cooper on Nov. 24, 1971.

"Other parachute experts were consulted," Burroughs said, including some who steeped forward to help the FBI after the parachute's discovery was announced last week.



See previous answer.

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I also believe the chute was sent to the lab. so, at what point do we discount the FBI and state they are covering up this find? they even admitted overlooking the stamp, and allowed it to be photographed. why even show the chute if they thought it might be Coopers?



If you research the FBI's announcements about the chute, that is, follow the timeline on them, you discover that the chute was taken to the lab on a certain day, but the very next day was put into the trunk of a car and taken to Cossey's. The final announcement was made soon afterward. And 'the totality of the information' is not an answer. Not much of an answer after a week of speculation by national media, I'd say. And the only real answer came from Cossey, who claimed it was made of silk and not nylon. That claim is suspect. And if it is, this leaves you with exactly NO answer, or one that is wrong.

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they have over a thousand suspects over the years. will they tell us why they discounted them? should we demand an answer? who was suspect #27? even if the chute wasn't Coopers it's still part of an on going investigation that gives them the reason to tell us nothing!



When different suspects have been covered heavily by the media, the FBI has usually given a reason why they discounted them. One is they had an alibi, some were eliminated by the DNA partial(s).

I wouldn't go as far to claim 'cover-up' with the chute and the Seattle FBI. You know, when I spoke to the agent about this situation, all I asked was the criteria they used to decide it wasn't Cooper's. This isn't national security stuff, and I imagine I wasn't the only one who asked that question. I'm sure a few media folks did as well. But they must not have gotten any answers either, because if they had, an article would have appeared at some point with those answers.

My point is pretty simple here. If the FBI says the chute is the right color, the right size, and is found in the right place...without container by the way...and the only public answer is Cossey's (almost certainly wrong)...then I see there is no answer at all. I don't know. Maybe I just have more curiosity about it than you do.

There is no use debating this point because there are no possible answers to debate. Not enough information to go on. I put a three-page addendum onto the KC report going to the FBI, asking about the chute. I think they should be made aware that a lot of curiosity still exists about it. That's all I can do.


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What article claims it was the right size?

Carr spoke with the children's father, whom he declined to identify, early this month and learned the chute was white, the same color as Cooper's.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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What article claims it was the right size?

Carr spoke with the children's father, whom he declined to identify, early this month and learned the chute was white, the same color as Cooper's.



Robbie Burroughs,
New York Times article:


What she actually says is that it 'appears to be the right size'. But she qualifies that later in the article by saying it is hard to tell because of condition.

You are looking to me to somehow 'prove' the chute belonged to Cooper. You should be asking the Seattle FBI, as I have done previously, and intend to do in more detail later this month. I have no answers on the chute. All I know is that no one is willing to offer even the slightest reasonable answer about it. 'By a totality of the information' is not an answer, not really. I could even accept that answer except for three things.

1) Cossey's claim that he made his determination in 'less than ten seconds' and claimed the chute was silk and not nylon.

2) An email and a phone call from the Seattle office where the agent tells me no one from the outside was actually allowed to physically examine the chute. (except Cossey) All outside consulting was done by phone. Now we have chute experts here like 377 who have seen the available pictures and were unable to come up with a conclusion. Why should a phone call do any better? And if outside experts were actually allowed to examine a chute possibly belonging to Cooper...this would have come out a long time ago. Either here, or elsewhere, but probably right here at Dropzone.

3) When you read these quotes from these articles where an agent says this or that, one of the most common themes you see is that agent mentioning something about the unlikeliness of Cooper's survival. And for the chute to be Cooper's would negate those opinions, for the most part. You need a live body to disconnect a harness and container and to bury a chute. It's obvious the Seattle FBI higher-ups believe Cooper didn't survive the jump. No body found? Well, then it can't be Cooper's. So...this kind of thinking could lead to a rather limited investigation into the chute. You want to rely on Cossey, who not only claimed for years he owned the chutes, but delivered them as well? And then in 2008 said the Ariel chute was non-Cooper because it was SILK?

I'm not buying this scenario. But I don't think it was a deliberate cover-up, either. I just think the investigation was cursory at best.


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If you don't believe it's Cooper's chute, what would be the reason for all the mystery surrounding it?

I don't see any verification of the FBI denying anyone access to the chute. you claimed the same for Tom Kaye in the past.

I read, and hear quotes from the FBI stating differently.

"appears to be the right size" is not stating the right, or correct size.

You left a key point out in your conclusion!

Then again, Ms. Burroughs said, “it’s hard to say that because it’s so tied up in knots and it’s quite deteriorated.”
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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If you don't believe it's Cooper's chute, what would be the reason for all the mystery surrounding it?

I don't see any verification of the FBI denying anyone access to the chute. you claimed the same for Tom Kaye in the past.

I read, and hear quotes from the FBI stating differently.

"appears to be the right size" is not stating the right, or correct size.

You left a key point out in your conclusion!

Then again, Ms. Burroughs said, “it’s hard to say that because it’s so tied up in knots and it’s quite deteriorated.”



Okay. We agree to disagree here. I don't think the FBI's explanation works, and I don't believe Cossey's assessment of it.

As far as Tom Kaye, that is obvious Shutter. Check the Sleuths' own website. They mention the Amboy chute and have a standing offer with the Seattle FBI to examine it:

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'The Amboy parachute was not available during the inspection and it was not clear if that evidence was archived in the Seattle FBI office. We concur with others who originally forwarded the idea that the Amboy chute is not silk but a first generation nylon parachute. The research team has a standing offer with the FBI to return to Amboy and excavate the location where it was discovered. To this date the only available information on the sewn-closed reserve chute that Cooper left the plane with, was that it was white in color. The Amboy Chute remains an item of significant interest...'



I'm not the only one who has wondered about this. You've been reading too many of Georger's rants. :)
I don't HAVE a conclusion about the chute. Neither does anyone else. That is the point.

If you want to believe everything is explained regarding the chute, you are free to do so. If you want an explanation about it, you are looking in the wrong place.


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Robert, your adding mystery to Tom's statement. he told me in an email that he didn't bring it up since it was ruled out. I posted the email a while back during your argument about Tome being "denied"

You were the one stating for a long time they "stonewalled him" they "denied him access" that's clearly not the case.

I think everyone has a question or two about the chute. I just don't think it has anything to do with the case.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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